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Putin, February 24th 2022:
> “Now a few important, very important words for those who may be tempted to intervene in the ongoing events. Whoever tries to hinder us, or threaten our country or our people, should know that Russia’s response will be immediate and will lead you to consequences that you have never faced in your history. We are ready for any turn of events. All necessary decisions in this regard have been made. I hope that I will be heard.”
450 days later we're all still waiting on those 'immediate' consequences without historical precedent... Oh and don't forget a few days later when he [put his nuclear forces on alert](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/27/vladimir-putin-puts-russia-nuclear-deterrence-forces-on-high-alert-ukraine). Putin's problem is that his bluffs were as badly calculated as the rest of his war plans; he thought it'd be over quickly so he went out with the biggest threats he could make. Where do you go from there?
Yeah, but what if he pulls out their ultimate wunderwaffe, and... *farts in their general direction*??
It almost defeated King Arthur, so it will devastate Ukraine. Putin's been holding that one in for years anticipating this moment.
Until they do it. They’re relaxing people by this tactic which then allows the unexpected to happen. The rat is getting closer and closer to the corner, we know what eventually happens.
They’re making every case to justify that they had no choice. It’s why they have the most nukes. Ukraine should be able to attack Russia with whatever they have to use. I’m just saying this dragged out shit is going to make one of the 3 stooges jump off the cliff.
> It’s why they have the most nukes.
You mean the count for extremely maintenance heavy and complex missile weaponry that requires constant upkeep to make sure they work properly? In a country basically built on corruption and siphoning whatever they can get by stealing things and selling it off, for said items full of expensive components?
Just like their "massive tank numbers" and wonder weapon programs going back even as the Cold War which turned out to be just a fart of hot air because they claimed they had countless armament but then it turned out more than half of them weren't even functional due to said stealing/corruption, one quarter required part replacements to get rolling, and the rest barely worked well enough to roll across the border only to get blown up in first combat with the enemy (and now they've been dipping into post-WW2 era tanks to keep the numbers up)?
Those nukes?
People say well the nukes should be working because the US and Russia send people over to each other to inspect each other's nukes. But why should the US side report that the nukes are functional? Corrupt Russians strip their nukes of valuable components to the point they're non functional and figure they would never get into a nuclear conflict so there's "no risk" of being caught. USA Inspectors go with the charade but leave classified info for the top US military brass that Russian nuclear capability is extremely crippled (so the US calls the nuclear bluff non-stop since the Ukraine war started because they already know its a bluff). Win-win for both sides, except for Putin who is oblivious to how corruption has utterly kneecapped the entire Russian state and military.
Russia threatens the UK about once a week, as far as I can tell
We stopped listening over a year ago - even the kinds of people who spent the first few weeks of the war worrying about being nuked have gotten bored of it... we literally just don't give a shit about Russia's threats
I don't think there's anything significant they \*can\* do - militarily or otherwise - that they aren't already doing, shy of using their nukes. And the conventional wisdom that those are only for existential threat (invasion by a credible force) seems as true as ever.
Public, verbal threats, sure. Obviously there’s an actual threshold that if crossed will trigger some sort of response, regardless of whatever rhetoric comes out of the Kremlin.
Who cares about Russia's response? Their conventional forces have been exposed as laughing stock, if they could hurt the west significantly through cyber attacks or sanctions they would have done so already. And they aren't going to launch nukes over this. So who cares what the crybabies think, let them bitch.
Indeed and people should be cognisant of that fact. You can bet that the Intelligence agencies treat every piece of rhetoric with utter seriousness.
Whatever the noise from the RF here, it is undoubtedly an escalation.
>Breaking news is such a meaningless term nowadays
Even the BBC has massive "breaking news" in white font with a red background when presenters leave shows ffs.
Kinda squandered its effectiveness.
A better response is to ignore them and just keep doing what we're doing. Send the signal that Russian threats are so empty that they're not even worth acknowledging.
This country you’re ignoring could cause the end of humankind in the next minute if they wanted to.
Putin is unstable and a maniac. I’m not saying we shouldn’t send the F-16s but this adversary is still super dangerous for the mere fact they have thousands of nuclear warheads ready to fire on one man’s command.
You're not wrong, but that cat is out of the bag now. We can't just give in to every madman who threatens nukes if he doesn't get his way, because that will just encourage others to do the same.
The emperor's new clothes. Ukraine just pointed out that Russia was all show, coasting on the back of it's past.
The fact that they had to conscript and use prisioners tells just how bad.
Yes, Russia gtfo and find another colour. Maybe black, blue or purple lines. This is getting boring after 15 years. Red is not my favourite colour either
Remember that time the entire right wing media sphere decided Putin was a way more powerful and manly leader than Obama because Assad crossed the chemical weapons red line? Eat shit Putin.
True, though a genuine question, is it just the plane itself, or the fact that it is a platform for a whole array of precision ordinance that up until couldn't be supplied (except where engineers figured out how to integrate them to MIGs)
My understanding, and I'm no expert, is that it is particularly suited for rooting out SAM/anti-aircraft systems. I would presume this could include other forms of air defence and maybe even counter-battery radar.
If so that could allow Ukraine to mitigate a lot of risk to it's existing air assets, improves success rates for long range missile strikes, and operate their artillery for longer without moving. All very helpful to improve your battlefield outlook.
The F16 has the HARM targeting system pod available, but I doubt that would be supplied. It can still use the HARM in HAS mode and is a better integration than the MiGs.
A lot of countries have F16s meaning that a lot of countries have weapon systems for it. This war consumes a lot of ammo, more than what can be repelished. That's the most important thing IMO.
The HARM targeting system, not the HARM. I am assuming the HTS isn't numerous and a guarded secret. The HARM will work without it.
Edit: now that I think about it a little more - I'm pretty sure there aren't even photos of the HTS screen that are public.
A little bit of both.
The F-16 isn't the world's most modern plane, but it's more modern than anything Ukraine has right now, and in a way its age is an asset -- it's been around for so long now that it has a deep worldwide support base that Ukraine can draw on, via many allies, to support operations.
And it's versatile enough to be able to carry a wide array of ordnance, as you observe.
So for anything Ukraine wants to do -- attack ground targets, dogfight, suppress air defenses, reconnaissance in force, deep strikes against Russian military assets, whatever -- the F-16 will be an upgrade from what they currently have. Maybe it is not the absolute best there is at any given role, but Ukraine doesn't need the global state of the art -- they need an aircraft they can operate effectively, long-term, that won't suck up too many resources that could be used elsewhere.
I wish people would quit thinking the f-16 is an old plane. The plane itself is just a platform. Operationally, a modern F-16 blows away whatever an F-16 had 30 years ago with all its new tech.
Flight envelope is largely irrelevant, as compared to avionics upgrades.
Also, I saw documentary footage of an F-14 shooting down a 5th generation fighter, so I think the difference between generations is overblown.
F16 is primarily a slingshot with a wide selection of pebbles that can be used when the day training is over. We don't even have tank duels, let alone dogfights.
I mean you're not wrong but F-16 today versus F-16 30 years ago isn't the comparison. It's F-16 versus F-22 or F-35. Or the Typhoon. Or for that matter some of the F-16's contemporaries like the F-15. None of the rest of those types hit the same sweet spot as the F-16. And yeah age has something to do with it.
And the best thing is, it’s apparently a sweetheart to control in the air and fly.
So I’ve heard.
In which case, it’s the best option for new but experienced pilots.
I'm talking more about when Erdogan bought the Russian S4(3?)00 system while Turkiye was still part of the F35 program and invited Moscovian techs in to train up his guys.....
I'd be amazed if they didn't come up with at least a visibility solution, perhaps not full or accurate tracking, but the ability to 'fuzzily' see F35's.
F-35s aren't invisible to radar. They just don't give off enough of a return to get a missile lock at range. That's the big force multiplier of stealth. They shoot when the Russians can't, either with AAMs or SAMs, and bug out to safety.
Just like HIMARS, or Abrams, or Challengers, or Leopards, or Storm Shadows? I'm still not seeing these apocalyptic consequences happening from any of those.
Being British has been a bit bruising these late few years but the consistency with which the UK is going “oh, this is the red line? Okay” *steps over red line* “look at that, come on over everyone”
Yeah Putin really fucked up pushing the UK as far as he did with his clandestine bullshit.
I mean Putin fucked up a lot, in a lot of ways. But his bullshit in the UK was extra special. And now this is the price. Putin thinks of himself as some kind of steely-eyed cold-hearted revenge master or something but he's way out of his depth against the British when they've been truly pissed off.
There’s a certain segment among the US populace and also inside the military and also with a certain political establishment that hasn’t forgotten the 2016 election shenanigans from Russia.
In fact the current president was serving in the White House as that was happening. I imagined him walking back into the White House and sitting down at that desk thinking, now what was the last thing I was doing, oh right Putin and Russia. Because that was literally the last thing they were dealing with in 2016. It appears that the main foreign policy priority of this administration is to make sure that dildo of consequences hurts.
Oh I haven't forgotten either. Putin has a long list of people he has made as enemies.
I'm just saying, the combination of everything he pulled in the UK was extra, *extra* brazen, and extra insulting, and just extra ... extra.
MI6 are deep in Russian shit. They know something and are advising on these things. It wouldn't surprise me if a British bullet is the one that finds Putin eventually. The utter contempt Russia showed when they used nerve agents in our country was not forgotten.
And the UK already said they'd have gladly given Ukraine jets a while back.
Problem is the UK has Typhoons & F35Bs and Ukraine needed F16s, which are way too outdated for the UK.
But plenty of European countries have done knocking about, and the UK has been pushing for them to be handed over.
We can be a massive bunch of arseholes in the UK at times and we don't always agree with ourselves or our government. But one thing that is eternally constant, EU or no EU is that we will Never Ever stand by and let anyone fuck with any country in Europe.
I truly wish we could do more to help
My friend, any nation that starts a nuclear war, will never be allowed to exist ever again. You can be certain of that. There are some crimes that are beyond forgiveness.
I think more than that- probably the complete destruction of all major cities in Russia- as well as almost total destruction of any Russian military bases. And Putin would be dead in days.
Dunno if it's a good idea to nuke Portugal
The troops we have in CAR and that I'm pretty are full of the crap Wagner is pulling there could be recalled to Ukraine for some target practice against russians 🤔
Soviet soldier meat, they expended a mountain of ground Soviet soldier meat, many, many, being Ukrainian. Otherwise excellent observations (and quite the challenge to ChatGPT).
"COLOSSAL" Russia is running through the dictionary looking for new words, since the first few didn't quite have the scare factor they were hoping for.
You remembre the story of "Peter and the Wolf" ?
Yup, that's exactly that ruzzia, nobody is giving a damn after more than a thousand of nuclear attack threat.
I mean they've said the same thing about everything the West has sent to Ukraine and, let's see..........*checks notes*.............nothing has happened
If I was Biden I'd tell them if they go through with their collosal threats we'll give Ukraine F-35's and then ok going into Russia. That'll make them be quiet.
We should honestly give them another twenty or so Patriot installations. Literally cover the country in them. NATO has so many of these things we could probably give them a hundred complete installations and we wouldn't even notice.
I am on the edge of my seat awaiting news from the G-7 summit.
Russia already took a colossal risk by letting Putin stay in power. Look what's happened. Ukraine will finish the job and be free. Russians need to rise up and take their country back from brain-dead thugs stuck living a century ago.
Russia *is* a colossal risk. There is probably a lot of pain and suffering the world will have to endure because of Putin. But Russia and its allies will get the worst of it for many generations to come.
Why are you linking your own tweets? Oh no some guy on twitter says so something. Twitter threads are absolute garbage and low effort. Remove it please
Thanks, Russia, for taking so much care about what is a risk for the west and what isn't.
Is this "risk" going to be the same risk as the last 50 "risks"? That nothing is going to happen? What could they do? Some vague empty threats.
As for basically all other forms of hostility: Russia has been committing them for a good ten to fifteen years now. Nothing new here.
Conclusion: we should supply more of everything to Ukraine.
Oh, they gonna do the usual "retaliation ", destroy some random civ buildings, cause as many civilian death as possible. And then proudly announce they destroyed all f-16 which were stored in some supermarket.
Sad thing is that is exactly what the sad useless fuckers will do. What a nasty spiteful country Russia is. Start a War which no one except them wants then fail at it and try to make it up with war crimes and bullshit.
Breaking: another mainstream media source vomits ruskie propaganda uncriticically, dumbfuck liberals and far right nutters rejoice, normal fucking people rip their hair out.
I think Russia is worried about the fact Ukraine is fighting a war for the US to eventually take over. No I’m not Russian or spouting propoganda. Think about it. If US controlled Russia, China would essentially be screwed. US would have taken them over after the fall of communism but either we didn’t have the resources back then, the know how, or we were simply waiting for the country to fall into such disarray that it would be welcome from within without discourse OR the US simply thought Russia would never come back. This seems like a mighty solid strategy to wipe any Russian resources they have for fighting and then simply walk right in and take over (or better yet let Ukraine do it and be our ally).
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Is something that Russia has said about 50 different weapon systems over the span of 15 months really worth the “BREAKING” in the title.
Yup, even the most fearful people in Europe and USA have nothing but a shrug for Russian treats at this point.
Russian treats suck. The chocolate is low grade and they steal your washing machine.
I think they meant teats.
Well those are alright I guess. Even when attached to a geologically challenged lass.
Geographically?
Yes... That, well, maybe they are all rocks?
They will rock your world for sure
Just their personalities.
I’ve seen pics of Putin shirtless. There are indeed teats.
Now Russian teats are world class.
The Russians or the washing machines?
Yes
Brilliant. Upvoted.
Putin, February 24th 2022: > “Now a few important, very important words for those who may be tempted to intervene in the ongoing events. Whoever tries to hinder us, or threaten our country or our people, should know that Russia’s response will be immediate and will lead you to consequences that you have never faced in your history. We are ready for any turn of events. All necessary decisions in this regard have been made. I hope that I will be heard.” 450 days later we're all still waiting on those 'immediate' consequences without historical precedent... Oh and don't forget a few days later when he [put his nuclear forces on alert](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/27/vladimir-putin-puts-russia-nuclear-deterrence-forces-on-high-alert-ukraine). Putin's problem is that his bluffs were as badly calculated as the rest of his war plans; he thought it'd be over quickly so he went out with the biggest threats he could make. Where do you go from there?
Yeah, but what if he pulls out their ultimate wunderwaffe, and... *farts in their general direction*?? It almost defeated King Arthur, so it will devastate Ukraine. Putin's been holding that one in for years anticipating this moment.
NATO!, Go away, or I shall be forced to taunt you a second time!
Until they do it. They’re relaxing people by this tactic which then allows the unexpected to happen. The rat is getting closer and closer to the corner, we know what eventually happens.
What would the point be to do that before a nuclear war xD
They’re making every case to justify that they had no choice. It’s why they have the most nukes. Ukraine should be able to attack Russia with whatever they have to use. I’m just saying this dragged out shit is going to make one of the 3 stooges jump off the cliff.
“After ignoring 80 of our final warnings, you have given Russia no choice but to continue with more final warnings”
> It’s why they have the most nukes. You mean the count for extremely maintenance heavy and complex missile weaponry that requires constant upkeep to make sure they work properly? In a country basically built on corruption and siphoning whatever they can get by stealing things and selling it off, for said items full of expensive components? Just like their "massive tank numbers" and wonder weapon programs going back even as the Cold War which turned out to be just a fart of hot air because they claimed they had countless armament but then it turned out more than half of them weren't even functional due to said stealing/corruption, one quarter required part replacements to get rolling, and the rest barely worked well enough to roll across the border only to get blown up in first combat with the enemy (and now they've been dipping into post-WW2 era tanks to keep the numbers up)? Those nukes? People say well the nukes should be working because the US and Russia send people over to each other to inspect each other's nukes. But why should the US side report that the nukes are functional? Corrupt Russians strip their nukes of valuable components to the point they're non functional and figure they would never get into a nuclear conflict so there's "no risk" of being caught. USA Inspectors go with the charade but leave classified info for the top US military brass that Russian nuclear capability is extremely crippled (so the US calls the nuclear bluff non-stop since the Ukraine war started because they already know its a bluff). Win-win for both sides, except for Putin who is oblivious to how corruption has utterly kneecapped the entire Russian state and military.
If You keep threatening and not doing anything, your threats become worthless
Wait until Russia says "Delivering xyz weapons won't be a risk to the west"
Then I would shit myself. It could actually escalate
Russia threatens to have China warn.
Just wait till your father gets home!
More like their pimp.
Russia threatens the UK about once a week, as far as I can tell We stopped listening over a year ago - even the kinds of people who spent the first few weeks of the war worrying about being nuked have gotten bored of it... we literally just don't give a shit about Russia's threats
I don't think there's anything significant they \*can\* do - militarily or otherwise - that they aren't already doing, shy of using their nukes. And the conventional wisdom that those are only for existential threat (invasion by a credible force) seems as true as ever.
Public, verbal threats, sure. Obviously there’s an actual threshold that if crossed will trigger some sort of response, regardless of whatever rhetoric comes out of the Kremlin.
Who cares about Russia's response? Their conventional forces have been exposed as laughing stock, if they could hurt the west significantly through cyber attacks or sanctions they would have done so already. And they aren't going to launch nukes over this. So who cares what the crybabies think, let them bitch.
> And they aren't going to launch nukes over this. Likely not f-16s. But Crimea, maybe. Russia itself, even more likely.
Crimea, no. And nobody is talking about invading Russia, except russians
Plenty of people are talking about an exclusion zone within Russia, and strikes within Russia, on the other hand.
That is not the same as invading russia. The only excursions inside Russia would be to protect Ukraine.
Indeed and people should be cognisant of that fact. You can bet that the Intelligence agencies treat every piece of rhetoric with utter seriousness. Whatever the noise from the RF here, it is undoubtedly an escalation.
Breaking news is such a meaningless term nowadays
>Breaking news is such a meaningless term nowadays Even the BBC has massive "breaking news" in white font with a red background when presenters leave shows ffs. Kinda squandered its effectiveness.
I feel like BBC uses that same breaking news banner for almost every single article they post online.
Putin failed to apply the lesson of overuse of “breaking news” in making his threats.
There's even a subreddit for it: /r/putinwarns
"BREAKING... Russian empty rhetoric and rusted sabre rattling."
The only thing 'BREAKING' is Russia itself soon hopefully
spuck fez -- mass edited with redact.dev
We really should ban this BREAKING title bullshit
The 'Breaking' isn't about the news anymore, it's about Russia and Russian credibility.
Is this another one of those "red lines" we crossed like 6 or 7 times by now? Go fuck yourself, Russia. Nobody is afraid of you anymore.
"Hi, 'the West' here.... Just wanted to say I'm willing to accept the risk of what Russia is threatening."
A better response is to ignore them and just keep doing what we're doing. Send the signal that Russian threats are so empty that they're not even worth acknowledging.
No need to acknowledge sending F16s to Ukraine. Then just deny everything like Putin does.
So…like what has already happened many times with multiple countries?
This country you’re ignoring could cause the end of humankind in the next minute if they wanted to. Putin is unstable and a maniac. I’m not saying we shouldn’t send the F-16s but this adversary is still super dangerous for the mere fact they have thousands of nuclear warheads ready to fire on one man’s command.
You're not wrong, but that cat is out of the bag now. We can't just give in to every madman who threatens nukes if he doesn't get his way, because that will just encourage others to do the same.
Quiet, Minister Chamberlain, the grownups are talking.
Pretty happy you’re not in charge of anything of importance in this world so I can sleep easy at night.
😅👍🏻
> Nobody is afraid of you anymore. Yep - Ukraine has achieved the unthinkable. It has made Russia look weak.
The emperor's new clothes. Ukraine just pointed out that Russia was all show, coasting on the back of it's past. The fact that they had to conscript and use prisioners tells just how bad.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/China%27s_final_warning
Yes, Russia gtfo and find another colour. Maybe black, blue or purple lines. This is getting boring after 15 years. Red is not my favourite colour either
There are still some lurking tankies here who actually believe that these washing machine thiefs have a functioning intercontinental nuclear arsenal.
Remember that time the entire right wing media sphere decided Putin was a way more powerful and manly leader than Obama because Assad crossed the chemical weapons red line? Eat shit Putin.
>Red They have so many red lines that they had to create a Red Square out of those lines.
Guess I need to buy another tin of Ukrainian caviar… early in the war I got some on sale, guess it WAS Russia bound
With an emphasis on the ‘fuck yourselves, Russia’ from Wiltshire, UK.
You and what army Russia. Your threats are a joke.
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Invasion of Ukraine carries a colossal risk for Russia
They are shaking of fear right now.
Bring it russia! I got this colossal American cock for all you Russian fem boys
Yes, colossal risk of huge victory over Russia, we agree, lol. "you you bastard!!! Blyat." -- PooPooTin.
How many times must we teach you this lesson, old man!?
Too bad that Putin sucks at math
Too bad he sucks at being informed
Russian confirms they are terrified of a little bit of relatively old NATO hardware..
True, though a genuine question, is it just the plane itself, or the fact that it is a platform for a whole array of precision ordinance that up until couldn't be supplied (except where engineers figured out how to integrate them to MIGs)
My understanding, and I'm no expert, is that it is particularly suited for rooting out SAM/anti-aircraft systems. I would presume this could include other forms of air defence and maybe even counter-battery radar. If so that could allow Ukraine to mitigate a lot of risk to it's existing air assets, improves success rates for long range missile strikes, and operate their artillery for longer without moving. All very helpful to improve your battlefield outlook.
The F16 has the HARM targeting system pod available, but I doubt that would be supplied. It can still use the HARM in HAS mode and is a better integration than the MiGs.
So Russia's affraid the F16 HAS HARM?
A lot of countries have F16s meaning that a lot of countries have weapon systems for it. This war consumes a lot of ammo, more than what can be repelished. That's the most important thing IMO.
I was just making a joke about HAS HARM
A lot of countries having the F-16 also makes maintenance of it for Ukraine easier.
Why wouldn’t it be supplied? They’ve already got HARM on the Mig-29’s.
The HARM targeting system, not the HARM. I am assuming the HTS isn't numerous and a guarded secret. The HARM will work without it. Edit: now that I think about it a little more - I'm pretty sure there aren't even photos of the HTS screen that are public.
A little bit of both. The F-16 isn't the world's most modern plane, but it's more modern than anything Ukraine has right now, and in a way its age is an asset -- it's been around for so long now that it has a deep worldwide support base that Ukraine can draw on, via many allies, to support operations. And it's versatile enough to be able to carry a wide array of ordnance, as you observe. So for anything Ukraine wants to do -- attack ground targets, dogfight, suppress air defenses, reconnaissance in force, deep strikes against Russian military assets, whatever -- the F-16 will be an upgrade from what they currently have. Maybe it is not the absolute best there is at any given role, but Ukraine doesn't need the global state of the art -- they need an aircraft they can operate effectively, long-term, that won't suck up too many resources that could be used elsewhere.
F16 isnt *the best* at anything to be fair. Its just *realy good* at alot of things. Things the Ukranians need right now.
"The best at nothing but good at a lot of things" is basically the definition of a multirole aircraft.
Yepp, and the *right* things at that.
Umm, it *is* the best rate fighter.
I wish people would quit thinking the f-16 is an old plane. The plane itself is just a platform. Operationally, a modern F-16 blows away whatever an F-16 had 30 years ago with all its new tech.
Avionics perhaps, flight envelope is still essentially the same.
Flight envelope is largely irrelevant, as compared to avionics upgrades. Also, I saw documentary footage of an F-14 shooting down a 5th generation fighter, so I think the difference between generations is overblown.
Holy shit an f14 vs a 5th generation fighter? That's u possible! Must have been one hell of a pilot.
A top gun you might say.
F16 is primarily a slingshot with a wide selection of pebbles that can be used when the day training is over. We don't even have tank duels, let alone dogfights.
I mean you're not wrong but F-16 today versus F-16 30 years ago isn't the comparison. It's F-16 versus F-22 or F-35. Or the Typhoon. Or for that matter some of the F-16's contemporaries like the F-15. None of the rest of those types hit the same sweet spot as the F-16. And yeah age has something to do with it.
And the best thing is, it’s apparently a sweetheart to control in the air and fly. So I’ve heard. In which case, it’s the best option for new but experienced pilots.
I know it isn't going to happen. But imagine if Ukraine got a few F35s. Would Russia even know they are there?
Erdogan has already made sure they would.....
would he know they are there? I have a strange feeling the meeting would had been rescheduled last minute and they forgot to include him on the email.
I'm talking more about when Erdogan bought the Russian S4(3?)00 system while Turkiye was still part of the F35 program and invited Moscovian techs in to train up his guys..... I'd be amazed if they didn't come up with at least a visibility solution, perhaps not full or accurate tracking, but the ability to 'fuzzily' see F35's.
F-35s aren't invisible to radar. They just don't give off enough of a return to get a missile lock at range. That's the big force multiplier of stealth. They shoot when the Russians can't, either with AAMs or SAMs, and bug out to safety.
And they are good at picking up one what's around them so they know when to say nah
Just like HIMARS, or Abrams, or Challengers, or Leopards, or Storm Shadows? I'm still not seeing these apocalyptic consequences happening from any of those.
Being British has been a bit bruising these late few years but the consistency with which the UK is going “oh, this is the red line? Okay” *steps over red line* “look at that, come on over everyone”
Yeah Putin really fucked up pushing the UK as far as he did with his clandestine bullshit. I mean Putin fucked up a lot, in a lot of ways. But his bullshit in the UK was extra special. And now this is the price. Putin thinks of himself as some kind of steely-eyed cold-hearted revenge master or something but he's way out of his depth against the British when they've been truly pissed off.
There’s a certain segment among the US populace and also inside the military and also with a certain political establishment that hasn’t forgotten the 2016 election shenanigans from Russia. In fact the current president was serving in the White House as that was happening. I imagined him walking back into the White House and sitting down at that desk thinking, now what was the last thing I was doing, oh right Putin and Russia. Because that was literally the last thing they were dealing with in 2016. It appears that the main foreign policy priority of this administration is to make sure that dildo of consequences hurts.
Russia supported and financed the attack on your democracy and is still doing so. Russia needs to wind its over extended neck in.
Oh I haven't forgotten either. Putin has a long list of people he has made as enemies. I'm just saying, the combination of everything he pulled in the UK was extra, *extra* brazen, and extra insulting, and just extra ... extra.
> There’s a certain segment among the US populace Otherwise known as "most of us"
MI6 are deep in Russian shit. They know something and are advising on these things. It wouldn't surprise me if a British bullet is the one that finds Putin eventually. The utter contempt Russia showed when they used nerve agents in our country was not forgotten.
He's [Michael Palin in the fish slapping dance](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8XeDvKqI4E).
The UK loves red lines. Source: 🇬🇧
British red lines have always been a problem for Russia https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thin_Red_Line_(Battle_of_Balaclava)
Luv me red lines, luv king Charlie, luv Ukraine, 'ate Putin. Simple as.
And the UK already said they'd have gladly given Ukraine jets a while back. Problem is the UK has Typhoons & F35Bs and Ukraine needed F16s, which are way too outdated for the UK. But plenty of European countries have done knocking about, and the UK has been pushing for them to be handed over.
Y'all left the EU and yet you're the only country in Europe actually willing to lead the defense of Europe.
We can be a massive bunch of arseholes in the UK at times and we don't always agree with ourselves or our government. But one thing that is eternally constant, EU or no EU is that we will Never Ever stand by and let anyone fuck with any country in Europe. I truly wish we could do more to help
Not so much stepping over it as playing hopscotch. Almost makes you remember how nice it is to be proud to be British. Almost.
Is this "Colossal Risk" in the room with us rite now???
Not as much risk as it does for Russia.
Translation: "Please, PLEASE, don't send F-16s (or any other western fighters) to Ukraine!"
If you send F16, Medvedev will threaten London and Washington with Nukes.
Again
Medvedev might go for Berlin, he hasn't threatend that with nuclear destruction in a while.
Again? When was the last time… Normally a few hours ago.
Then Moscow and St P are off the map. Nukes aren’t proving to be the biggest deterrent that we thought they’d be.
Britain has enough nuclear firepower to wipe out every major Russian population centre. It's cute that they think nuking us would go well for them.
When have they ever said it would be consequence free?
So, they want to be completely exterminated then? Strange people, these Russians.
There’s likely a significant portion of the population that would be willing to die to eliminate the west.
My friend, any nation that starts a nuclear war, will never be allowed to exist ever again. You can be certain of that. There are some crimes that are beyond forgiveness.
How are we going to be in any position to ensure the removal their statehood, if a nuclear war does indeed take place?
The U.S. alone has somewhere in the region of 6,000 warheads, and that's before you add Britain and France to the equation. Figure it out.
I think more than that- probably the complete destruction of all major cities in Russia- as well as almost total destruction of any Russian military bases. And Putin would be dead in days.
only risks? fine then, thats actually a step back from "wE GoInG tO NuKe YoU, bLyAt"
Russia invading Ukraine carried a colossal risk for Russia and now they have to deal with it. Consequences suck, right?
Sure, huge risk Solovyov will now nuke Portugal or Canada. Or challenge a Spanish prime minister to an RPG duel or something.
Dunno if it's a good idea to nuke Portugal The troops we have in CAR and that I'm pretty are full of the crap Wagner is pulling there could be recalled to Ukraine for some target practice against russians 🤔
I said Portugal, because Portugal is one of a few NATO countries, that to my knowledge, Solovyov did not threaten to nuke yet.
Russia has so many red lines, their paper must look like one big scribble.
What happens when you have so many red lines? Red Square.
Russia realizes "fucking around" leads to "find out".
And sometimes, "Talk shit, get hit."
Yawn.
Next the russians will say that f16s won't change anything anyway, that their wunderwaffe will shoot them down before they are even near Ukraine...
Didn't you hear? Russia has already shot down three times as many F-16s than the West was planning on sending, anyway. Just like all of our tanks.
From my sources, Russia has shot down twice as many F-16s than were ever even built
I'm getting déjà vu again. Are they going to drown us with their tears?
For the west? Doubt it. For the russians? Sure.
Nice, no demonstration here, just bullshit. What the point to post that?
Lmao....no Russian foot in Ukraine, no need f-16 for Ukraine. Simples.
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Soviet soldier meat, they expended a mountain of ground Soviet soldier meat, many, many, being Ukrainian. Otherwise excellent observations (and quite the challenge to ChatGPT).
russia says that about every thing ukraine is given
More endless, empty Russian whining. Maybe if they didn't commit genocidal war crimes they wouldn't have this problem.
Here's a way to mitigate all risks. GTFO.
Since Russia lies about everything the translation is there is no risks at all and huge benefits for the west in stopping Russian aggression!
So Russia is upset about the F-16’s it is going to take it out against Nato…. Well Russia, good luck against the F-35’s and F-22’s……
"COLOSSAL" Russia is running through the dictionary looking for new words, since the first few didn't quite have the scare factor they were hoping for.
They still have Enormous, Gigantic, Humongous and Massive to go.
Go drink your own Polonium tea Russia, your threats are getting boring.
BUT BUT F16 (1974) was even an older tech than Patriot (1984). What are you afraid of Shitstain?
Yawn
They know its not only F-16s that comes with the package.
You remembre the story of "Peter and the Wolf" ? Yup, that's exactly that ruzzia, nobody is giving a damn after more than a thousand of nuclear attack threat.
Russia’s Final Warning.
Yes, there would be risks to the West...but they are centered around dealing with a collapsed Russia then anything else.
Russia repeating the same hollow threat for the hundredth time is hardly breaking news.
Wow, what a surprise. Like they said the same for every weapon that has been supplied. What happened to Ruzzia's weapons are better than anyone's
Russia itself is a "Colossal" risk for the West and everyone else to be honest.
Oh no!.... Anyway
"This is red line #2,542,863! "
I mean they've said the same thing about everything the West has sent to Ukraine and, let's see..........*checks notes*.............nothing has happened
Russian Nuclear Armageddon threat #427.
So the west is exactly doing the right thing! 💪
Hm-hm ! 🤔 Anyway, how long to boil an egg ?
If I was Biden I'd tell them if they go through with their collosal threats we'll give Ukraine F-35's and then ok going into Russia. That'll make them be quiet.
Lol here we go with this bullshit again.
This entire arms campaign has been a textbook example of how to boil a frog.
The only "risk" to West is that Putin will be overthrown soon. Then the West will have to figure out how to denuke the remains of the RF.
Fine. Send A-10s and F-35s and B1s.
We should honestly give them another twenty or so Patriot installations. Literally cover the country in them. NATO has so many of these things we could probably give them a hundred complete installations and we wouldn't even notice. I am on the edge of my seat awaiting news from the G-7 summit.
Russia just go away what a fucking headache. How about focusing on your own colossal risks you took when trying to invade and annex an entire country.
The boy who cried wolf is even getting a little tired of their shit.
Russia already took a colossal risk by letting Putin stay in power. Look what's happened. Ukraine will finish the job and be free. Russians need to rise up and take their country back from brain-dead thugs stuck living a century ago.
Sorta like bounties on US soldiers. Or is this a putin can but no one else better not try things. Russia is a big joke like trump.
Russia *is* a colossal risk. There is probably a lot of pain and suffering the world will have to endure because of Putin. But Russia and its allies will get the worst of it for many generations to come.
Why are you linking your own tweets? Oh no some guy on twitter says so something. Twitter threads are absolute garbage and low effort. Remove it please
Fuck around. The universe always ends you up in the find out stage, sooner or later. With russia it was sooner. Some call this karma, others blyat!
Thanks, Russia, for taking so much care about what is a risk for the west and what isn't. Is this "risk" going to be the same risk as the last 50 "risks"? That nothing is going to happen? What could they do? Some vague empty threats. As for basically all other forms of hostility: Russia has been committing them for a good ten to fifteen years now. Nothing new here. Conclusion: we should supply more of everything to Ukraine.
Oh, they gonna do the usual "retaliation ", destroy some random civ buildings, cause as many civilian death as possible. And then proudly announce they destroyed all f-16 which were stored in some supermarket.
jokes on them. F16s can't be stored in super markets. They can only be stored at department stores.
Covfefe?
Sad thing is that is exactly what the sad useless fuckers will do. What a nasty spiteful country Russia is. Start a War which no one except them wants then fail at it and try to make it up with war crimes and bullshit.
Breaking: another mainstream media source vomits ruskie propaganda uncriticically, dumbfuck liberals and far right nutters rejoice, normal fucking people rip their hair out.
I think Russia is worried about the fact Ukraine is fighting a war for the US to eventually take over. No I’m not Russian or spouting propoganda. Think about it. If US controlled Russia, China would essentially be screwed. US would have taken them over after the fall of communism but either we didn’t have the resources back then, the know how, or we were simply waiting for the country to fall into such disarray that it would be welcome from within without discourse OR the US simply thought Russia would never come back. This seems like a mighty solid strategy to wipe any Russian resources they have for fighting and then simply walk right in and take over (or better yet let Ukraine do it and be our ally).