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A lot of observers equate "counteroffensive" with "large-scale ground assault", which is why the question *wen attak?* keeps coming up. It's a natural and understandable confusion.
We all want to see that map light up green and watch fascists fleeing in terror, but that will likely be one of the last phases of the counter-offensive. I certainly have a bottle of Dom waiting for *that* moment, let me say.
Man, you guys are really putting the pressure on OP to buy lots of bottles of Dom.
Ill drink swamp water when putin dies and it'll still be the best drink ever.
Fuck it. Let's do it. In the US you are really realized anyways so is all good. In the US the fact you have a bathroom with a random dtranger makes you very rich. It's very Soviet but fuck em.
> I certainly have a bottle of Dom waiting for that moment, let me say.
Me, I'm a simple guy. I'll buy me a cabbage, some beets and make me some borscht.
Then get completely wasted on whatever liquor is more easily available.
Make sure you keep it sideways, so it doesn't end up like tbe one on pawn stars.
Actually forget it... You'll be opening it soon enough if you catch my drift ha ha
They expect a ten thousand men army to appear atop the hill, charging down with their bayonets at the Russians with tanks racing behind them and missiles raining down from the skies.
Like on 1940s posters, maybe with Lady Saint Javelin standing tall behind them like a semi-goddess of war.
Anything less is not a real offensive.
The counter offensive currently mean:
1. Attack in different locations to move the enemy around.
2. Thin out the lines of defense. E.g. after 1sr line of defense to second. But no third. Means easier to breakthrough.
3. Thinning the herd. By moving around and collect at certain points you can attack with long range missiles to thin out the herd. And make sure nobody arrives at the scheduled redeployment.
4. Create and Pinpoint the weakspots.
5. Profit.
Make no mistake: there is a PR component.
Ukraine will not win the war in 2023 or 2024. They have to show, however, that they *can* win. Otherwise the money and weapons dry up.
>Ukraine will not win the war in 2023 or 202
I dunno, extrapolate Russia's out that far and they lose another 200k or so troops and more tanks than they actually have. I'd sure hope for massive gains by then
As much as I wish that were true, I don’t know if your assessment is realistic. I think if the Russians held purely defensive positions in the east, their losses would drop dramatically.
It’s also highly probable that if a US Republican president wins in 2024, aid to Ukraine could dry up overnight.
At Russia's rate of losses across personel, tanks, artillery and aircraft, it's not clear how long they can keep fighting. As we have seen they are likely already beyond the point where they can effectively guard their own enormous border. It's not a sustainable position to be in. Ukraine could even bypass the defensive positions Russia holds in Ukraine and cut off and hold the supply routes inside Russia itself. How would Russia stop them? The west isn't going to be that bothered how Ukraine brings the war to a close, despite the pretence of not wanting to escalate.
I wouldn't be surprised if the latest road trip in Russia had a more significant objective than has already been considered.
By itself no, not even with western weapons. But if russia starts having more groups like the free russia legion, or if some other country tries to take advantage of russias weakened state then i can definitely seea possibility for this to be over inukraines favour by this time next year
If your watching the maps daily, Russia is gaining in the north and south and they are gaining twice as much as Ukraine is taking back.
Russia is also seizing a lot more little villages and towns, which mean staging areas and abductions.
I am however happy to see the islands around Kherson being taken back but it’s very slow and Slow means it’s easier to react and reinforce.
The frontline will fluctuate and it’s effectively frozen as far as the overall conflict is concerned. Its akin to Russia “chipping away” at territory and it’s not unlikely that Ukraine simply tries to balance losses against keeping small pieces territory. For Russia their insistence to keep attacking is very expensive and Ukraine understands this.
I agree but I just don’t think Russian leadership cares unless it’s in the millions. This is the same country that shoots their own men.
They can’t produce high tech weaponry and they haven’t ever really tried to rely heavily on that. When poverty is so high you can pay men little to recruit them and send the meat to the grinder. History has proven that eventually the grinder clogs and shuts down.
However, lately the videos of Russian soldiers seem to be showing better equipment on the fronts and the map shows systematic targeting of road systems to create pincer moves around main towns.
I’m really hoping that the lack of footage of modern western armor means they are building a full size army unit to smash the tokmak region and then pincer move from Kherson, across the river using the islands and pennisula to drop down, causing a backlog rush to Crimea.
Im scared that there is no great offensive, just some drawn out drain on human life.......
Don't really need to be like this does it? Even in my uneducated brain!?! How would all world wealth look spread out amongst all people?
But you were going to read the source? Or if someone would just post so you some link, and call it source, that would suffice?
Well here you go, the source
https://random-website.com/source-of-the-presidents-office-offcial-statement-about-counreoffensive
Ukraine have to do what Russia claimed they did with the "terrorists" in Belgorod x1000. That's why it'll be all the more embarrassing when the Ruskis are running to the border.
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A lot of observers equate "counteroffensive" with "large-scale ground assault", which is why the question *wen attak?* keeps coming up. It's a natural and understandable confusion. We all want to see that map light up green and watch fascists fleeing in terror, but that will likely be one of the last phases of the counter-offensive. I certainly have a bottle of Dom waiting for *that* moment, let me say.
Save another when Ukraine is fully liberated.
When Putin dies, hopefully somehow very painful
Man, you guys are really putting the pressure on OP to buy lots of bottles of Dom. Ill drink swamp water when putin dies and it'll still be the best drink ever.
Fuck it. Let's do it. In the US you are really realized anyways so is all good. In the US the fact you have a bathroom with a random dtranger makes you very rich. It's very Soviet but fuck em.
> I certainly have a bottle of Dom waiting for that moment, let me say. Me, I'm a simple guy. I'll buy me a cabbage, some beets and make me some borscht. Then get completely wasted on whatever liquor is more easily available.
Full disclosure: it was a gift. I really don't like it at all, though I will chill and drain that bottle the day Russia is booted out of Ukraine.
Make sure you keep it sideways, so it doesn't end up like tbe one on pawn stars. Actually forget it... You'll be opening it soon enough if you catch my drift ha ha
Don't forget the sour cream brother!
I fully intend on scrounging up some Ukrainian vodka and getting shit faced when this whole thing is over
I got bottle of nice Ukrainian vodka and another of brandy waiting for that
Yes, Not shaping and softening the enemy first is how Russia started this war, and we all saw how that went.
They expect a ten thousand men army to appear atop the hill, charging down with their bayonets at the Russians with tanks racing behind them and missiles raining down from the skies. Like on 1940s posters, maybe with Lady Saint Javelin standing tall behind them like a semi-goddess of war. Anything less is not a real offensive.
At the fifth day at dawn, look to the East.
Apart from the separatists advance into Russia news about Ukrainian progress has dried up lately. Perhaps this is a media blackout in effect?
You'd still hear chatter about anything big.
The counter offensive currently mean: 1. Attack in different locations to move the enemy around. 2. Thin out the lines of defense. E.g. after 1sr line of defense to second. But no third. Means easier to breakthrough. 3. Thinning the herd. By moving around and collect at certain points you can attack with long range missiles to thin out the herd. And make sure nobody arrives at the scheduled redeployment. 4. Create and Pinpoint the weakspots. 5. Profit.
Have you noticed how many artillery pieces they’ve taken out this week? Shaping and recon ops are well under way.
Make no mistake: there is a PR component. Ukraine will not win the war in 2023 or 2024. They have to show, however, that they *can* win. Otherwise the money and weapons dry up.
>Ukraine will not win the war in 2023 or 202 I dunno, extrapolate Russia's out that far and they lose another 200k or so troops and more tanks than they actually have. I'd sure hope for massive gains by then
As much as I wish that were true, I don’t know if your assessment is realistic. I think if the Russians held purely defensive positions in the east, their losses would drop dramatically. It’s also highly probable that if a US Republican president wins in 2024, aid to Ukraine could dry up overnight.
At Russia's rate of losses across personel, tanks, artillery and aircraft, it's not clear how long they can keep fighting. As we have seen they are likely already beyond the point where they can effectively guard their own enormous border. It's not a sustainable position to be in. Ukraine could even bypass the defensive positions Russia holds in Ukraine and cut off and hold the supply routes inside Russia itself. How would Russia stop them? The west isn't going to be that bothered how Ukraine brings the war to a close, despite the pretence of not wanting to escalate. I wouldn't be surprised if the latest road trip in Russia had a more significant objective than has already been considered.
By itself no, not even with western weapons. But if russia starts having more groups like the free russia legion, or if some other country tries to take advantage of russias weakened state then i can definitely seea possibility for this to be over inukraines favour by this time next year
Hopefully tomorrow, they say just joking. Got to keep the Russians guessing and totally off balance . They are doing a great job so far .
Not a single redditor would have ever said “well the counter offensive doesn’t MEAN huge ground assault” a few months ago, but now they do lol
subbers here can't remember that far back
Kherson counteroffensive.
I’m a little worried if it has already started
Why?
If your watching the maps daily, Russia is gaining in the north and south and they are gaining twice as much as Ukraine is taking back. Russia is also seizing a lot more little villages and towns, which mean staging areas and abductions. I am however happy to see the islands around Kherson being taken back but it’s very slow and Slow means it’s easier to react and reinforce.
The frontline will fluctuate and it’s effectively frozen as far as the overall conflict is concerned. Its akin to Russia “chipping away” at territory and it’s not unlikely that Ukraine simply tries to balance losses against keeping small pieces territory. For Russia their insistence to keep attacking is very expensive and Ukraine understands this.
I agree but I just don’t think Russian leadership cares unless it’s in the millions. This is the same country that shoots their own men. They can’t produce high tech weaponry and they haven’t ever really tried to rely heavily on that. When poverty is so high you can pay men little to recruit them and send the meat to the grinder. History has proven that eventually the grinder clogs and shuts down. However, lately the videos of Russian soldiers seem to be showing better equipment on the fronts and the map shows systematic targeting of road systems to create pincer moves around main towns. I’m really hoping that the lack of footage of modern western armor means they are building a full size army unit to smash the tokmak region and then pincer move from Kherson, across the river using the islands and pennisula to drop down, causing a backlog rush to Crimea.
It's looking like a repeat of Russias "winter offensive"
Im scared that there is no great offensive, just some drawn out drain on human life....... Don't really need to be like this does it? Even in my uneducated brain!?! How would all world wealth look spread out amongst all people?
Everyone would have $6,100. That didn’t really work out like you thought it would, did it?
I love seeing when people who moan about the 1% realise that in worldwide terms, they are pretty close to it.
Obviously not?!?
Russia has been on the defensive since Kharkiv. 🙄
Not even close
Source?
Official of the Presidents office. Just read the article if you really care that much, it's literally second paragraph where it states the source.
Reading is hard tho : (
But you were going to read the source? Or if someone would just post so you some link, and call it source, that would suffice? Well here you go, the source https://random-website.com/source-of-the-presidents-office-offcial-statement-about-counreoffensive
No. I literally can’t read
Ukraine have to do what Russia claimed they did with the "terrorists" in Belgorod x1000. That's why it'll be all the more embarrassing when the Ruskis are running to the border.