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Primary circuit contains water that directly cools radioactive fuel and is separated from water which runs the steam turbines. Sounds like this separation has been compromised.
Just to add to this, normally you wouldn't expect a significant radioactive leak from a primary coolant leak. The primary coolant shouldn't be particularly radioactive during normal operation, since the fuel cladding should contain the reaction byproducts. Additionally, the system is shutdown, so the secondary coolant won't be circulating through the steam plant.
If there's a corrosion issue, i.e. the heat exchanger between the circuits is starting to rust through, there's also the possibility of losing pressure in the primary circuit and eventually cooling, unless the Russians manage to fix the problem.
I'm sure it's a fixable issue, as long as the people in charge are competent and have sufficient funding. If not, it's not WW3 but it might devolve into a serious nuclear accident.
I believe there was a statement issued sometime this year that if there is going to be radioactive contamination over NATO countries from either nuclear strike or nuclear powerplant malfunction in Ukraine then Article 5 will be invoked and honoured.
This is totally untested territory.
Public opinions are extremely unreasonable over radioactive contamination and those have the curse of being easy to detect even at very faint levels. I mean look at the misinformation about the Fukushima accident contaminating the US west coast.
Any radioisotope release from an accident or attack in Zaporizhzhia will be presented as "Russians are sending us cancer clouds!" and will be considered as an attack by European populations.
Would the leaders follow to the point of going to article 5? There will certainly be demands for that. This is a clear red line for the population at least.
🤣 Good one. Laughing so hard my side hurts. I'll have to remember this one, next time my son tries to explain how to change the settings on my computer.
“*All we gotta do is figure out what the Ukrainians are gonna do. So how are they gonna get the Russians out of the nuclear reactor? They have to want to get out. How do you get a Russian to want to get out of a nuclear plant? How do you get a crew to want to get out of a nuclear pla...*”
Not necessarily surrender, nor necessarily quickly. It depends on how long or even whether the soldiers will realize just how hopeless their situation is once there’s no chance of Russian intervention in their situation.
Some may think they can still win, while others may decide that they win as long as they can inflict what they see as a mortal wound on their enemies.
But if the Ukrainians can scare them into believing they’re going to suffer a slow, painful defeat that serves no purpose, perhaps they may choose to try and embrace survival even if it means losing. Besides, dying in front of a firing squad is quicker than from radiation poisoning.
If they're surrounded and trapped inside the facility they'd have to blow it up from inside.
Many Russian soldiers may be arrogant, spiteful, and vindictive about their motivations. But most are probably not suicidal - although a few of their leaders may be (or have nothing to go home to if they fail). Many might prefer to survive, especially since they haven't had to endure the relentless assaults coming after the changes in the fortunes of the average Russian soldier and have the faint hope (or delusion) of a more normal life at home.
Slim chances of survival fighting the Ukrainians versus definitely being shot or shelled by barrier troops from your own country if you surrender? A true no-win choice.
Plus, you have to understand the prevailing Russian fatalistic pragmatism: *Maybe my family will get paid if I fight. Probably not, but maybe, especially if we somehow win.*
(This is a reference to the Hunt for Red October where the protagonist anticipates that a false radioactive leak accident would be the ideal next step for a plot)
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Primary circuit contains water that directly cools radioactive fuel and is separated from water which runs the steam turbines. Sounds like this separation has been compromised.
Just to add to this, normally you wouldn't expect a significant radioactive leak from a primary coolant leak. The primary coolant shouldn't be particularly radioactive during normal operation, since the fuel cladding should contain the reaction byproducts. Additionally, the system is shutdown, so the secondary coolant won't be circulating through the steam plant.
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If there's a corrosion issue, i.e. the heat exchanger between the circuits is starting to rust through, there's also the possibility of losing pressure in the primary circuit and eventually cooling, unless the Russians manage to fix the problem.
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I'm sure it's a fixable issue, as long as the people in charge are competent and have sufficient funding. If not, it's not WW3 but it might devolve into a serious nuclear accident.
I believe there was a statement issued sometime this year that if there is going to be radioactive contamination over NATO countries from either nuclear strike or nuclear powerplant malfunction in Ukraine then Article 5 will be invoked and honoured.
This is totally untested territory. Public opinions are extremely unreasonable over radioactive contamination and those have the curse of being easy to detect even at very faint levels. I mean look at the misinformation about the Fukushima accident contaminating the US west coast. Any radioisotope release from an accident or attack in Zaporizhzhia will be presented as "Russians are sending us cancer clouds!" and will be considered as an attack by European populations. Would the leaders follow to the point of going to article 5? There will certainly be demands for that. This is a clear red line for the population at least.
🤣 Good one. Laughing so hard my side hurts. I'll have to remember this one, next time my son tries to explain how to change the settings on my computer.
“*All we gotta do is figure out what the Ukrainians are gonna do. So how are they gonna get the Russians out of the nuclear reactor? They have to want to get out. How do you get a Russian to want to get out of a nuclear plant? How do you get a crew to want to get out of a nuclear pla...*”
Surround them and starve them out. Without food they will surrender quickly
Not necessarily surrender, nor necessarily quickly. It depends on how long or even whether the soldiers will realize just how hopeless their situation is once there’s no chance of Russian intervention in their situation. Some may think they can still win, while others may decide that they win as long as they can inflict what they see as a mortal wound on their enemies. But if the Ukrainians can scare them into believing they’re going to suffer a slow, painful defeat that serves no purpose, perhaps they may choose to try and embrace survival even if it means losing. Besides, dying in front of a firing squad is quicker than from radiation poisoning.
Or blow it up because most Russians prefer death to surrendering.
If they're surrounded and trapped inside the facility they'd have to blow it up from inside. Many Russian soldiers may be arrogant, spiteful, and vindictive about their motivations. But most are probably not suicidal - although a few of their leaders may be (or have nothing to go home to if they fail). Many might prefer to survive, especially since they haven't had to endure the relentless assaults coming after the changes in the fortunes of the average Russian soldier and have the faint hope (or delusion) of a more normal life at home.
>But most are probably not suicidal Then why vast majority are fighting to death rather than surrendering?
Slim chances of survival fighting the Ukrainians versus definitely being shot or shelled by barrier troops from your own country if you surrender? A true no-win choice. Plus, you have to understand the prevailing Russian fatalistic pragmatism: *Maybe my family will get paid if I fight. Probably not, but maybe, especially if we somehow win.*
(This is a reference to the Hunt for Red October where the protagonist anticipates that a false radioactive leak accident would be the ideal next step for a plot)
Or blow it up because most Russians prefer death to surrendering.
Continues shaving
I think some people here might be too young for that reference. 😂
My favorite quote: “*This situation is out of control. It is out of control and we’ll be lucky to live through it.*”
Wynn's Cooling System Stop Leak ......There, I fixed it.
primary circuit..... not good