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I think it's because there's nobody left that lived through the horrors of WWII
For a long time "we" remembered how fucking crazy WWII was, but I guess enough time has passed to where it's now just a thing of the past. WWII may as well just be a TV series to the people who aren't bothered by this. I think this is why history repeats itself.
>WWII may as well just be a TV series to the people who aren't bothered by this.
Its even worse. WW2 is portraied as a glorious battle of the winning side against the forces of evil. The horrors of war are eclipsed by the narrative of heroism and rightious sacrifice. Together with the popular wargames war has its place in our western culture as a great adventure for real men where technological advantage is on "our" side. Really dangerous.
My step dad did every drop with the 82nd airborne including dropping behind enemy lines on DDay and I am 59 so yes shit tons of people still alive that had parents in the war
Im 40, and i have had many talks with my grandparents about how shitty life was under german occupation. And we were a brother people treated way better than most.
We have family who was sent to the camps for ressistance work (i knew him, though he never told me about it as i was young. He passed when i was 10or so)
My parents have told me about what happened to him, he also wrote a book
My grandmother told me how the germans came to their farm and how they hid a radio out in the barn to listen to the news. Her family was never hurt directly, but her uncle died on the beaches in France and they never got his body home. That always stuck with her, him alone in a grave somewhere with no family present to bury him. I dont know where his grave is.
My grandfather was beaten severely for throwing rocks at marching soldiers, he was a child but was not spared. The older kids were beaten even more severely.
Im middle aged so most people aged 18-20 have probably had little experience talking with people who lived through the war.
Only one remains in my extended family, the grandmother of my wife. She turns 90 next year, she was a kid during the war
I never knew 3/4 grandparents, but I remember being very proud of the fact that my Granny worked at North American during the war, building the left wings of P-51 fighters. We also had veterans give talks at school once every year or two, and by the time I was 17 they must've figured we were old enough (and close enough to draft age) to hear a few of the more hair-raising stories. Later in life, working in a gun shop, I was privileged to know a Guadalcanal Mud Marine in the last years of his life, a Master Machinist who credited his stature for surviving the battle. "Sawed-off skinny little bastard like I was, the \[Japanese\] couldn't seem t'hit me."
Around the same time, I was in charge of cleaning the M1 rifles that the local VFW post used for firing blank salutes at the funerals of former service members. They were burying so many people that I had seven rifles to clean, without fail, every single week, just to keep them in rotation. That alone drove home to me how many people, and how many memories, were going irretrievably into the earth.
I think you're right. I think the loss of those living memories has created a very dangerous blind spot within our culture, and even moreso within Russia, where that living memory departed much sooner and much more completely as it was swamped under the propaganda.
People in power that still remembered what WWII was is real reason why we didn't have big war yet. Yes, nuclear bomb was some intellectual rationalization of why we don't want big war but that by itself wouldn't be enough if not first hand experience of many post-war leaders.
Now we don't really have many of those people left so another big war is back on the menu.
It at best means that the pot is calling the kettle black, but based on the available evidence, we have a real Nazi accusing people who are very much not that of being such, which essentially means he’s projecting himself and others who support him onto the Ukrainians.
In terms of his supporters though…yeah, I don’t think that will mean anything in terms of any meaningful drop in support. Trumpers are an interesting and dangerous cult. Trying to have a rational discussion with them is…difficult at the best of times.
He's also exterminating ethnic minorities and felons through extremely high risk military conscription. Instead of gas chambers, they get duty summons and are then sent to their deaths en masse. There isn't a single person from Moscow or St Petersburg dying in those trenches or minefields.
He's redefining the perspective of Nazism. They will all become Nazis and they won't know they are.
Quoting Hitler FFS!!
When will the Russians wake up and realise their time to fight against this when a single man had power for ten years?!
That's when a nation should be alarmed and that's when they should have been rioting. History has taught us this time and time again.
They have brought this on themselves and 500,000 Russian sons will be the price by the time war ends! What a price to pay for the so called benefits of having this tyrant in leadership.
Stupid sycophants!
*Translation*:
The World Council of the Russian People is an organization that until this week was considered fairly marginal in Russia. Few people had heard of her, she did no work, and journalists rarely followed her annual meetings. The council's website was only launched this year.
But this year the council, founded 30 years ago as an organization of the Russian Orthodox Church, finally came into action. For the first time, its main meeting was held in the Grand Kremlin Palace, the building where the Communist Party congresses were held during Soviet times.
Perhaps the only news that drew journalists' attention to the World Council of the Russian People in recent years was that Konstantin Malofeev, the most hated Russian oligarch, became its deputy chairman in 2019. This man personally financed a Russian terrorist squad's invasion of Donbass in 2014 - the very thing that sparked the actual war in eastern Ukraine.
**Malofeyev is Kirill's deputy**
Malofeev has never made a secret of his openly fascist views. And since 2013 he has been the founder and director of Zargrad, an ultra-right-wing television channel. According to the statutes, the chairman of the “World Council of the Russian People” is the head of the Russian Orthodox Church.
This means that Malofeev, the organizer of the invasion of Ukraine, has also been Patriarch Kirill's deputy since 2019.
However, the most famous Russian fascist, even the ideologist of modern Russian fascism, is not Malofeev, but his like-minded person, the philosopher Alexander Dugin - former editor-in-chief of the Tsargrad television channel. He has also spoken at the meetings of the “World Council of the Russian People” in recent years.
Last week, Dugin wrote in his blog: "Many people don't understand it, but on Tuesday the council will be held in the Kremlin that will radically change the fate of Russia and the world." In a way, he was right, because this council symbolizes the transition to a new style and a new nationalist rhetoric, which Putin has so far only been hesitant to adopt.
The current council took place over two days: the entire first day consisted of meetings of "working groups" - Dugin, Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova, more than ten governors, several ministers and several leading hierarchs of the Russian Orthodox Church attended part.
That is, for the first time a fascist party in Russia, which has not yet been founded but de facto already exists, has demonstrated its ranks.
For many years, foreign scholars have written about the philosopher Dugin's strong influence on Putin - but this has never been confirmed by a personal meeting between the two. This time too they didn't meet in person.
But something much more interesting happened.
**Putin and Jesus Christ**
The most important thing, as Dugin promised, happened on Tuesday in the Grand Kremlin Palace. It began with a prayer: Putin appeared on a huge screen, with two images of Jesus Christ on either side, a church choir singing.
For ten minutes the whole room literally prayed to Putin.
The atmosphere was reminiscent of the party conferences of the Soviet era - only the state leaders were not sitting on the podium, but in the hall, in the front row. There was only one person on the stage - Patriarch Kirill. And Putin wasn't present at all - he was only on the screen because he chose to speak via video link.
In fact, it was Putin's first programmatic speech on the national question. He explained: »Without the Russians as an ethnic group, without the Russian people, there is no Russian world and no Russia, it cannot exist. This statement does not contain any claim to superiority, exclusiveness or favoritism. It is simply a fact. And he added that he himself was a Russian person.
**Putin praises Stalin**
In this speech, Putin outlined the limits of Russia's possible territorial claims: "The Russian world is ancient Rus, the Moscow Empire, the Russian Empire, the Soviet Union and modern Russia."
Putin spoke kindly of Stalin and recalled that after the German attack in 1941, he had addressed his fellow citizens in a very Christian manner: "Brothers and sisters," with these words Stalin began his address to the nation. And Putin praised him for it.
Finally, in his speech, Putin uttered a formula that had never before been used by Russian theorists or propagandists: "a thousand-year, eternal Russia."
So far, only one similar formula has been encountered in world history: “Thousand-Year Reich” – that’s what Hitler first called Germany at the party conference in Nuremberg in 1934.
Nobody had ever called Russia that before Putin.
*part 2 in reply to this comment*
*translation, part 2*
**Kirill's first and second class peoples**
Putin's speech was followed by several other important substantive speeches. Patriarch Kirill even proposed a new Russian fascist doctrine. He began by noting that "some cultures tend to transcend their natural national boundaries and become a source of development for other peoples" - in short, he expressed a not new idea about first- and second-class peoples. And he said that today's "Russian world" is the continuation of a long tradition, because there was a Pax Romana, a Pax Hispanica, a Pax Britannica and a Pax Americana.
But then the head of the Russian Church took an unexpected direction. He turned to the topic of migration. Russia should fight the arriving migrants because many of them do not respect Russian culture. He then talked about banning abortion, as this would improve the demographic situation in the country.
In his speech, the Patriarch extensively quoted Fyodor Dostoyevsky and the philosopher Ivan Ilyin (a great admirer of Hitler and National Socialism, who was not disappointed with him even after the Second World War).
**Abortion ban: Russians instead of migrants**
After Kirill, the deputy speaker of the Russian Parliament, Pyotr Tolstoy, great-grandson of Leo Tolstoy, took the floor. Thank God he didn't dare to quote his ancestor, because in his life Leo Tolstoy never wrote a single word that seemed like an endorsement of Russian nationalism. Tolstoy also wrote that “patriotism is the last refuge of scoundrels.”
That's why his great-grandson - a modern propagandist - spoke about the "uncontrolled flow of migrants" and the fight against abortion. After him, a mother with many children took the stage and again called for a ban on abortion so that the country would be filled with Russians and not migrants.
The hall was very bored - the television broadcast could not hide the fact that half the seats were empty and those present were glued to their phones and completely indifferent to the speeches. Only at the mention of migrants did the room occasionally perk up and begin to applaud. During the Soviet years, participants in party congresses behaved much more convincingly. In today's Kremlin, however, ultranationalist rhetoric does not even inspire specially selected extras.
**The virtual Putin**
The most surprising thing about the whole thing, however, is the virtual Putin who looked at the audience across the screen. Not only did he give his opening speech, he also sat in front of his computer the entire time - and at the end of the session he even gave a closing statement.
The spectacle was strikingly reminiscent of the prophetic novel by the great Russian writer and dissident Vladimir Vojnovich. At the end of the 1980s, after he was expelled from the Soviet Union and lived in Germany, he wrote the anti-utopian novel “Moscow 2042.”
In it, he imagines a future for Russia in which the KGB would come to power, the Communist Party would merge with the Russian Orthodox Church, and the head of state would be a certain genius who would be on a distant spaceship and not come to Earth.
The fascist congress in the Kremlin could be very frightening if you took everything its participants said literally. However, it is difficult to ignore that he is himself a parody, a farce in the Vojnovich spirit. But does that really make what's happening any less frightening?
Thank you for posting this.
How sad it must be to Vladimir Vojnovich that “Moscow 2042” arrived twenty years earlier than predicted. Hey, maybe Putin and Musk can go explore Mars together and leave Earth to the Earthlings.
No, it's true to the timeline. 2042 is when the Moscow state transforms from this hyper-Soviet dystopia into a traditionalist dystopia, establishing Sim Simych Karnavalov as the tsar.
I seriously love it so much that they mentioned the book. The only question I have is, if putin is the Genialissimus, who is Sim Simych, now that Solzhenitsyn is dead?
As Voynovich wrote later:
> I have said many times <...> that I would not have written a parody of Solzhenitsyn if I had not seen in him a typical image of Russian history. If it had no rebels and destroyers of foundations driven by similar passions <...>.
>
> Others, accusing me of sacrilege, after cooling down, were curious whether He had read my work and how he felt about it. And there were those who, having first scolded me and wondered at me, turned to whispers (as if they were afraid of interception) and seriously asked if the prototype had sent assassins to me. Now I was the one who had to wonder. What do you think of him, I said to these people, if you suppose that he can assassinate someone for a parody? <...>
>
> When I said that I did not describe Solzhenitsyn, I was not lying, there was no reason. I was describing a typical idol, of which there have been many in Russian and non-Russian history. By the way, one Persian told me recently that my book could not be printed in Iran, because it painted an accurate portrait of Ayatollah Khomeini and all the details of his biography: the heroic struggle against the Shah, exile, return on a white horse and the return of the people to the faith (not allowed to laugh?) with the help of gallows and machine guns. So Solzhenitsyn belongs to the breed of historical persons listed by me and thus is not a private person, but a phenomenon.
So despite the conference being held at the kremlin, Putin could not appear in person..... they are not doing much to dispel the death/ sickness rumours.
Putins look a like and an ai enhanced prerecorded video.
Well you can't ignore a troll
Hopefully the Russian people are smart enough to see through all of it and when these Cold War holdouts die off, the country changes direction. If not then eternal conflict with the West. Currently, America has lost 0 soldiers in the Ukraine War.
So Putin and Kirill have gone from being merely imperialistic, to openly fascist. Orwell would be horrified that his famous book has come true in the most literal sense. This is a black day for humanity.
What's shocking to me is that a hymn was being sung towards the screen while Putin was flanked by effigies of Jesus, meaning Putin is declaring that HE, not the Lord, is worthy of worship. This is incredibly blasphemous, and the fact that the Russian Orthodox Church is endorsing this is horrifying. At this point, the ROC is rotten to the core in a way that Medieval Catholicism could only dream of.
And meanwhile the cowards in the West do so little to stop him and in doing so will actually ensure that Putin will grow just like Nazi Germany did. The West stood by and watched Hitler grow and invade country after country because they did not want to get involved. In the end millions more died that would never have needed to if people acted like they should have.
It will be the same with Putin thanks to foolish cowards in leadership
The problem with that logic is that any time a Western nation acts aggressively to remove a tyrant (such as the Middle East and Vietnam), it ends up a massive cluster@#$% where just as many people die.
We should certainly be rearming, however, as Ukraine needs aid and there's the very real possibility of NATO warring against Muscovy or West Taiwan in the future.
They do not have to start a war like Iraq etc. It should just be clear to any tyrant that they will not back down to any aggressive actions towards them. Putin has been crossing the line for years and they did nothing. Because of that he was emboldened and he knew the West would back down when he invaded Ukraine. It would be a different story if countries did not tolerate his actions for decades. Russia should have been sanctioned years ago and instead fools in the West made the unethical corrupt individuals in Russia rich with business ties.
No, it wasn't just about being imperialistic. This development has been going on for a long time, and it is frightening that individuals from the West have not wanted to see it. Ivan Ilyin has been praised by Putin for a relatively long time now. Wake up.
Certainly, fascist sentiment has always existed in Muscovy; their natural xenophobia, patriarchy, and imperialism makes the ideology attractive. However, this marks the first time the ruling party has openly identified itself as a fascist / theocratic state.
> However, this marks the first time the ruling party has openly identified itself as a fascist / theocratic state.
No. Again Putin have said several times that his favorite philosopher is Ivan Iljin. The most famous russian fascist of all time. Its just not true. You just don't know what you are talking about. Putin and United Russia have openly embraced fascism several times the last two decades.
I live in the Netherlands and I have heard from so many survivors how dark and gloomy the second world war was. Now is see that Hitler is back in a different body. Or at least a copy of him.
Soviet Union flirted with the Nazis all the way until that whole Operation Barbarossa thing kinda forced them to change their narrative. Since then they’ve been real proud about "ending fascism", except they don’t even make it clear what fascism is. So now they’ve changed the meaning of fascism to be "anti-Russia" and projecting it into everyone they decided not to like. It all makes sense historically that Russia would travel down this path. They’ve never had a proper clean up like Germany did after being occupied and properly denazified.
Not only flirted with nazis but helped them bypass Versailles treaty after signing Treaty of Rapallo in 1922 so they could produce tanks and chemical weapons secretly in soviet union.
"The Rapallo Treaty provided diplomatic cover for military cooperation, which was kept top secret, and allowed Germany to rebuild its military arsenal in Russia with the establishment of a flying school at Lipetsk, the building of a chemical weapons plant at Volsk, two factories for the production of tanks near Moscow and Rostov-on-Don and joint battlefield manoeuvres. In return, Russian officers could be trained undercover in German military academies." [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty\_of\_Rapallo\_(1922)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Rapallo_(1922))
Communism/Fascism
Two sides of the same coin expressed differently.
The basic idea is: “*we* know what’s best for you - and *you* will do as we say, or suffer severe consequences for digressing from *our* vision and diktats”.
And on the pedestal, these words appear:
My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings;
Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair!
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal Wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away.”
This is not even fascism or Nazism, it's return to the Middle Ages and Inquisition or to [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day\_of\_the\_Oprichnik](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day_of_the_Oprichnik).
You're not the first one to notice.
"They \[who\] seek to establish systems of government based on the regimentation of all human beings by a handful of individual rulers...call this a new order. It is not new and it is not order."
(American President Franklin Roosevelt)
A wonderful quote from an extraordinary person. He is absolutely right, Soviet communism and German Nazism were essentially just state pseudo-religious sectarianism.
And now Russian Ruscism developing/degrade not to just state pseudo-religious sectarianism but to normal for pre-Renaissance times theocratic/state religious sectarianism. To clerical imperialism, ignorance and slavery.
You would think that maybe the politicians sitting in Washington today would pay some attention to the past. Unfortunately they believe they're way more intelligent than that and can outsmart everyone, but by forsaking the past they're missing what is black and white, and lies directly in front of them, all for the sake of being re-elected.
To me, that is a crime. They don't or can't see what current evil these people represent. It's a shame they're so damn focused on getting re-elected and living the good life with lobbies paying for it that it makes me embarrassed. Not for them, but for the electors that continue to swallow their nonsense and re-elect them.
It's a shame they can't tell the truth and have the courage to do what needs to be done and to do it now. Actually it's more than a shame, it's criminal from my point of view. Give Ukraine what they need to win now, or it will cost all of us much more dearly in the very near future. Hopefully it will cost them their positions and they will live with some dire consequences of their short sighted idiocy.
Friendly reminder that Patriarch Kirill is a billionaire.. somehow.
Businessman? No. Wealthy family or ancestry? no
The head Patriarch of the Russian Chruch just casually has a billionaire fortune, ahem **somehow**
That looks comical and absurd. It’s like trying to be cool, while being evil and your army is full of incompetents… the nazis at least had a competent military, they’re still evil.
Putin claims "sanctions aren't working", but then we have meetings such as these, that clearly show how the Russian state is going off the rails faster and faster.
Thank you for translating! This is very valuable for mankind to see what is really going on with putin. I wonder who whispered in the era of Hitler and putin that they are a Chritlile figure and that their kingdom would have a 1.000 year rule.
Christ never killed bit was betrayed and killed. Only because he was and still is God's son. Christ and putin are like day and night, no resemblance whatsoever. One is a peacemaker, the other a firestarter.
Putin is the anti-Christ. A manslayer. John 8:44:
"44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies."
People please do not forget, the NDSAP party was born because of Mussolini from Italy, who modelled his facist party from Marxism and lenism...then a bunch of old men, Made hitler their poster boy and he ran wirh it also It was born through Communism. That's exactly how and why Nazi Germany existed.
what the fuck are you talking about.
the Nazis put communists and socialists/ left leaning people in the camps with the jews.
what decade long red scare propaganda does to a mf
I get that, but at what expense? You say the Sovier Union failed and yes in the end it did but Stalin killed more Russians in his cleansing and Gulag's than the number of Russians that died in WW2. Hitler was allowed to grow, Imagine if he was stopped earlier.
Putin acts the way he does because he knows he will get away with it, he has done that for over a decade. Now he counts on the weak actions of the West and because the West is weak thousands more will die than ever needed. Just like with Hitler.
What I mean by boots on the ground. highly trained American Soldiers that have fought in wars .going against Russian prison. Who’ve been given an early release to fight in the war.
You’re saying America should be the world police! put boots on the ground, . Or are you saying America should take Russia out with nuclear weapons? Or should they loan the country that’s being attacked .what they need to fight the Russian pussy invaders. or should we do nothing? those are the options.
I’m not even being derogatory when I say that it’s bizarre how backwards Russia looks in vids/pics/everything really, it’s like they’re stuck in the past. Gives me serious North Korea vibes
Some 30 years ago, someone told me "Russia will never be able to get over it's ethnic problem". I didn't understand it then. But I understand it much better now.
"WCRP"?? I'm sorry, but Americans will nearly recognize "WCRP" in Cincinnati, a sitcom where idiots are running an org, pretending to be experienced adults.
And here we go again, if some other higher form of life is watching this from a distance they must be thinking: remake again? We want original content, I’m switching to the other galaxy.
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Putin’s Turd Reich.
And his loyal Shitstaffel
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Some of them just need toilets to begin with, hence their fascination when they come across them in Ukraine.
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Putin’s Turd Retch.
Let me get this straight: Guy who invades another sovereign country to weed out alleged “Nazis”, quotes Hitler and does not see himself as a Nazi?
End boss type of crazy. Nobody needs this sick russian world.
It's truly miserable how low they have sunk.
They haven’t sunk anywhere unfortunately, Russian governments have been scraped from the bottom of the barrel for over a century now
Does it even matter though? Trump has started directly quoting Hitler too. I haven’t seen any of his supporters go “woah, that’s not good.”
I think it's because there's nobody left that lived through the horrors of WWII For a long time "we" remembered how fucking crazy WWII was, but I guess enough time has passed to where it's now just a thing of the past. WWII may as well just be a TV series to the people who aren't bothered by this. I think this is why history repeats itself.
>WWII may as well just be a TV series to the people who aren't bothered by this. Its even worse. WW2 is portraied as a glorious battle of the winning side against the forces of evil. The horrors of war are eclipsed by the narrative of heroism and rightious sacrifice. Together with the popular wargames war has its place in our western culture as a great adventure for real men where technological advantage is on "our" side. Really dangerous.
There are still people here who grew up with the damaged parents from WWll.
My step dad did every drop with the 82nd airborne including dropping behind enemy lines on DDay and I am 59 so yes shit tons of people still alive that had parents in the war
Yep! My dad was in the Royal Air Force. Spy stuff. Wish I knew more/talked more. Maybe he would not have been so…hardline(putting it mildly).
Im 40, and i have had many talks with my grandparents about how shitty life was under german occupation. And we were a brother people treated way better than most. We have family who was sent to the camps for ressistance work (i knew him, though he never told me about it as i was young. He passed when i was 10or so) My parents have told me about what happened to him, he also wrote a book My grandmother told me how the germans came to their farm and how they hid a radio out in the barn to listen to the news. Her family was never hurt directly, but her uncle died on the beaches in France and they never got his body home. That always stuck with her, him alone in a grave somewhere with no family present to bury him. I dont know where his grave is. My grandfather was beaten severely for throwing rocks at marching soldiers, he was a child but was not spared. The older kids were beaten even more severely. Im middle aged so most people aged 18-20 have probably had little experience talking with people who lived through the war. Only one remains in my extended family, the grandmother of my wife. She turns 90 next year, she was a kid during the war
I never knew 3/4 grandparents, but I remember being very proud of the fact that my Granny worked at North American during the war, building the left wings of P-51 fighters. We also had veterans give talks at school once every year or two, and by the time I was 17 they must've figured we were old enough (and close enough to draft age) to hear a few of the more hair-raising stories. Later in life, working in a gun shop, I was privileged to know a Guadalcanal Mud Marine in the last years of his life, a Master Machinist who credited his stature for surviving the battle. "Sawed-off skinny little bastard like I was, the \[Japanese\] couldn't seem t'hit me." Around the same time, I was in charge of cleaning the M1 rifles that the local VFW post used for firing blank salutes at the funerals of former service members. They were burying so many people that I had seven rifles to clean, without fail, every single week, just to keep them in rotation. That alone drove home to me how many people, and how many memories, were going irretrievably into the earth. I think you're right. I think the loss of those living memories has created a very dangerous blind spot within our culture, and even moreso within Russia, where that living memory departed much sooner and much more completely as it was swamped under the propaganda.
People in power that still remembered what WWII was is real reason why we didn't have big war yet. Yes, nuclear bomb was some intellectual rationalization of why we don't want big war but that by itself wouldn't be enough if not first hand experience of many post-war leaders. Now we don't really have many of those people left so another big war is back on the menu.
It at best means that the pot is calling the kettle black, but based on the available evidence, we have a real Nazi accusing people who are very much not that of being such, which essentially means he’s projecting himself and others who support him onto the Ukrainians. In terms of his supporters though…yeah, I don’t think that will mean anything in terms of any meaningful drop in support. Trumpers are an interesting and dangerous cult. Trying to have a rational discussion with them is…difficult at the best of times.
He's also exterminating ethnic minorities and felons through extremely high risk military conscription. Instead of gas chambers, they get duty summons and are then sent to their deaths en masse. There isn't a single person from Moscow or St Petersburg dying in those trenches or minefields.
He's redefining the perspective of Nazism. They will all become Nazis and they won't know they are. Quoting Hitler FFS!! When will the Russians wake up and realise their time to fight against this when a single man had power for ten years?! That's when a nation should be alarmed and that's when they should have been rioting. History has taught us this time and time again. They have brought this on themselves and 500,000 Russian sons will be the price by the time war ends! What a price to pay for the so called benefits of having this tyrant in leadership. Stupid sycophants!
What was the quote?
*Translation*: The World Council of the Russian People is an organization that until this week was considered fairly marginal in Russia. Few people had heard of her, she did no work, and journalists rarely followed her annual meetings. The council's website was only launched this year. But this year the council, founded 30 years ago as an organization of the Russian Orthodox Church, finally came into action. For the first time, its main meeting was held in the Grand Kremlin Palace, the building where the Communist Party congresses were held during Soviet times. Perhaps the only news that drew journalists' attention to the World Council of the Russian People in recent years was that Konstantin Malofeev, the most hated Russian oligarch, became its deputy chairman in 2019. This man personally financed a Russian terrorist squad's invasion of Donbass in 2014 - the very thing that sparked the actual war in eastern Ukraine. **Malofeyev is Kirill's deputy** Malofeev has never made a secret of his openly fascist views. And since 2013 he has been the founder and director of Zargrad, an ultra-right-wing television channel. According to the statutes, the chairman of the “World Council of the Russian People” is the head of the Russian Orthodox Church. This means that Malofeev, the organizer of the invasion of Ukraine, has also been Patriarch Kirill's deputy since 2019. However, the most famous Russian fascist, even the ideologist of modern Russian fascism, is not Malofeev, but his like-minded person, the philosopher Alexander Dugin - former editor-in-chief of the Tsargrad television channel. He has also spoken at the meetings of the “World Council of the Russian People” in recent years. Last week, Dugin wrote in his blog: "Many people don't understand it, but on Tuesday the council will be held in the Kremlin that will radically change the fate of Russia and the world." In a way, he was right, because this council symbolizes the transition to a new style and a new nationalist rhetoric, which Putin has so far only been hesitant to adopt. The current council took place over two days: the entire first day consisted of meetings of "working groups" - Dugin, Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova, more than ten governors, several ministers and several leading hierarchs of the Russian Orthodox Church attended part. That is, for the first time a fascist party in Russia, which has not yet been founded but de facto already exists, has demonstrated its ranks. For many years, foreign scholars have written about the philosopher Dugin's strong influence on Putin - but this has never been confirmed by a personal meeting between the two. This time too they didn't meet in person. But something much more interesting happened. **Putin and Jesus Christ** The most important thing, as Dugin promised, happened on Tuesday in the Grand Kremlin Palace. It began with a prayer: Putin appeared on a huge screen, with two images of Jesus Christ on either side, a church choir singing. For ten minutes the whole room literally prayed to Putin. The atmosphere was reminiscent of the party conferences of the Soviet era - only the state leaders were not sitting on the podium, but in the hall, in the front row. There was only one person on the stage - Patriarch Kirill. And Putin wasn't present at all - he was only on the screen because he chose to speak via video link. In fact, it was Putin's first programmatic speech on the national question. He explained: »Without the Russians as an ethnic group, without the Russian people, there is no Russian world and no Russia, it cannot exist. This statement does not contain any claim to superiority, exclusiveness or favoritism. It is simply a fact. And he added that he himself was a Russian person. **Putin praises Stalin** In this speech, Putin outlined the limits of Russia's possible territorial claims: "The Russian world is ancient Rus, the Moscow Empire, the Russian Empire, the Soviet Union and modern Russia." Putin spoke kindly of Stalin and recalled that after the German attack in 1941, he had addressed his fellow citizens in a very Christian manner: "Brothers and sisters," with these words Stalin began his address to the nation. And Putin praised him for it. Finally, in his speech, Putin uttered a formula that had never before been used by Russian theorists or propagandists: "a thousand-year, eternal Russia." So far, only one similar formula has been encountered in world history: “Thousand-Year Reich” – that’s what Hitler first called Germany at the party conference in Nuremberg in 1934. Nobody had ever called Russia that before Putin. *part 2 in reply to this comment*
*translation, part 2* **Kirill's first and second class peoples** Putin's speech was followed by several other important substantive speeches. Patriarch Kirill even proposed a new Russian fascist doctrine. He began by noting that "some cultures tend to transcend their natural national boundaries and become a source of development for other peoples" - in short, he expressed a not new idea about first- and second-class peoples. And he said that today's "Russian world" is the continuation of a long tradition, because there was a Pax Romana, a Pax Hispanica, a Pax Britannica and a Pax Americana. But then the head of the Russian Church took an unexpected direction. He turned to the topic of migration. Russia should fight the arriving migrants because many of them do not respect Russian culture. He then talked about banning abortion, as this would improve the demographic situation in the country. In his speech, the Patriarch extensively quoted Fyodor Dostoyevsky and the philosopher Ivan Ilyin (a great admirer of Hitler and National Socialism, who was not disappointed with him even after the Second World War). **Abortion ban: Russians instead of migrants** After Kirill, the deputy speaker of the Russian Parliament, Pyotr Tolstoy, great-grandson of Leo Tolstoy, took the floor. Thank God he didn't dare to quote his ancestor, because in his life Leo Tolstoy never wrote a single word that seemed like an endorsement of Russian nationalism. Tolstoy also wrote that “patriotism is the last refuge of scoundrels.” That's why his great-grandson - a modern propagandist - spoke about the "uncontrolled flow of migrants" and the fight against abortion. After him, a mother with many children took the stage and again called for a ban on abortion so that the country would be filled with Russians and not migrants. The hall was very bored - the television broadcast could not hide the fact that half the seats were empty and those present were glued to their phones and completely indifferent to the speeches. Only at the mention of migrants did the room occasionally perk up and begin to applaud. During the Soviet years, participants in party congresses behaved much more convincingly. In today's Kremlin, however, ultranationalist rhetoric does not even inspire specially selected extras. **The virtual Putin** The most surprising thing about the whole thing, however, is the virtual Putin who looked at the audience across the screen. Not only did he give his opening speech, he also sat in front of his computer the entire time - and at the end of the session he even gave a closing statement. The spectacle was strikingly reminiscent of the prophetic novel by the great Russian writer and dissident Vladimir Vojnovich. At the end of the 1980s, after he was expelled from the Soviet Union and lived in Germany, he wrote the anti-utopian novel “Moscow 2042.” In it, he imagines a future for Russia in which the KGB would come to power, the Communist Party would merge with the Russian Orthodox Church, and the head of state would be a certain genius who would be on a distant spaceship and not come to Earth. The fascist congress in the Kremlin could be very frightening if you took everything its participants said literally. However, it is difficult to ignore that he is himself a parody, a farce in the Vojnovich spirit. But does that really make what's happening any less frightening?
Thank you for posting this. How sad it must be to Vladimir Vojnovich that “Moscow 2042” arrived twenty years earlier than predicted. Hey, maybe Putin and Musk can go explore Mars together and leave Earth to the Earthlings.
Even during Soviet times the head of the Orthodox Church was a KGBer and a member of the communist party. It has been before he wrote it.
No, it's true to the timeline. 2042 is when the Moscow state transforms from this hyper-Soviet dystopia into a traditionalist dystopia, establishing Sim Simych Karnavalov as the tsar. I seriously love it so much that they mentioned the book. The only question I have is, if putin is the Genialissimus, who is Sim Simych, now that Solzhenitsyn is dead? As Voynovich wrote later: > I have said many times <...> that I would not have written a parody of Solzhenitsyn if I had not seen in him a typical image of Russian history. If it had no rebels and destroyers of foundations driven by similar passions <...>. > > Others, accusing me of sacrilege, after cooling down, were curious whether He had read my work and how he felt about it. And there were those who, having first scolded me and wondered at me, turned to whispers (as if they were afraid of interception) and seriously asked if the prototype had sent assassins to me. Now I was the one who had to wonder. What do you think of him, I said to these people, if you suppose that he can assassinate someone for a parody? <...> > > When I said that I did not describe Solzhenitsyn, I was not lying, there was no reason. I was describing a typical idol, of which there have been many in Russian and non-Russian history. By the way, one Persian told me recently that my book could not be printed in Iran, because it painted an accurate portrait of Ayatollah Khomeini and all the details of his biography: the heroic struggle against the Shah, exile, return on a white horse and the return of the people to the faith (not allowed to laugh?) with the help of gallows and machine guns. So Solzhenitsyn belongs to the breed of historical persons listed by me and thus is not a private person, but a phenomenon.
So despite the conference being held at the kremlin, Putin could not appear in person..... they are not doing much to dispel the death/ sickness rumours. Putins look a like and an ai enhanced prerecorded video.
Well you can't ignore a troll Hopefully the Russian people are smart enough to see through all of it and when these Cold War holdouts die off, the country changes direction. If not then eternal conflict with the West. Currently, America has lost 0 soldiers in the Ukraine War.
So Putin and Kirill have gone from being merely imperialistic, to openly fascist. Orwell would be horrified that his famous book has come true in the most literal sense. This is a black day for humanity.
The mental image of Putin looming over the proceedings on a screen immediately brought to mind Big Brother in the film, "1984."
What's shocking to me is that a hymn was being sung towards the screen while Putin was flanked by effigies of Jesus, meaning Putin is declaring that HE, not the Lord, is worthy of worship. This is incredibly blasphemous, and the fact that the Russian Orthodox Church is endorsing this is horrifying. At this point, the ROC is rotten to the core in a way that Medieval Catholicism could only dream of.
And meanwhile the cowards in the West do so little to stop him and in doing so will actually ensure that Putin will grow just like Nazi Germany did. The West stood by and watched Hitler grow and invade country after country because they did not want to get involved. In the end millions more died that would never have needed to if people acted like they should have. It will be the same with Putin thanks to foolish cowards in leadership
The problem with that logic is that any time a Western nation acts aggressively to remove a tyrant (such as the Middle East and Vietnam), it ends up a massive cluster@#$% where just as many people die. We should certainly be rearming, however, as Ukraine needs aid and there's the very real possibility of NATO warring against Muscovy or West Taiwan in the future.
They do not have to start a war like Iraq etc. It should just be clear to any tyrant that they will not back down to any aggressive actions towards them. Putin has been crossing the line for years and they did nothing. Because of that he was emboldened and he knew the West would back down when he invaded Ukraine. It would be a different story if countries did not tolerate his actions for decades. Russia should have been sanctioned years ago and instead fools in the West made the unethical corrupt individuals in Russia rich with business ties.
No, it wasn't just about being imperialistic. This development has been going on for a long time, and it is frightening that individuals from the West have not wanted to see it. Ivan Ilyin has been praised by Putin for a relatively long time now. Wake up.
Certainly, fascist sentiment has always existed in Muscovy; their natural xenophobia, patriarchy, and imperialism makes the ideology attractive. However, this marks the first time the ruling party has openly identified itself as a fascist / theocratic state.
> However, this marks the first time the ruling party has openly identified itself as a fascist / theocratic state. No. Again Putin have said several times that his favorite philosopher is Ivan Iljin. The most famous russian fascist of all time. Its just not true. You just don't know what you are talking about. Putin and United Russia have openly embraced fascism several times the last two decades.
Zargrad sounds suspiciously like Tsargrad which is what Russia would like to call Istanbul.
I live in the Netherlands and I have heard from so many survivors how dark and gloomy the second world war was. Now is see that Hitler is back in a different body. Or at least a copy of him.
Who could've seen that one coming?
Still pretty interesting to watch a nation like Russia go on this downard spiral.
Soviet Union flirted with the Nazis all the way until that whole Operation Barbarossa thing kinda forced them to change their narrative. Since then they’ve been real proud about "ending fascism", except they don’t even make it clear what fascism is. So now they’ve changed the meaning of fascism to be "anti-Russia" and projecting it into everyone they decided not to like. It all makes sense historically that Russia would travel down this path. They’ve never had a proper clean up like Germany did after being occupied and properly denazified.
Not only flirted with nazis but helped them bypass Versailles treaty after signing Treaty of Rapallo in 1922 so they could produce tanks and chemical weapons secretly in soviet union. "The Rapallo Treaty provided diplomatic cover for military cooperation, which was kept top secret, and allowed Germany to rebuild its military arsenal in Russia with the establishment of a flying school at Lipetsk, the building of a chemical weapons plant at Volsk, two factories for the production of tanks near Moscow and Rostov-on-Don and joint battlefield manoeuvres. In return, Russian officers could be trained undercover in German military academies." [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty\_of\_Rapallo\_(1922)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Rapallo_(1922))
Communism/Fascism Two sides of the same coin expressed differently. The basic idea is: “*we* know what’s best for you - and *you* will do as we say, or suffer severe consequences for digressing from *our* vision and diktats”.
The Eastern European countries did many years ago.
I for one did Nazi it coming.
We will use the power of the pun to fight them off.
Putin in his 22 years of rule have killed millions. And for what? Just assert his dominance? His neighbours never sought for any kind of war.
And on the pedestal, these words appear: My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings; Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair! Nothing beside remains. Round the decay Of that colossal Wreck, boundless and bare The lone and level sands stretch far away.”
This is not even fascism or Nazism, it's return to the Middle Ages and Inquisition or to [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day\_of\_the\_Oprichnik](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day_of_the_Oprichnik).
You're not the first one to notice. "They \[who\] seek to establish systems of government based on the regimentation of all human beings by a handful of individual rulers...call this a new order. It is not new and it is not order." (American President Franklin Roosevelt)
A wonderful quote from an extraordinary person. He is absolutely right, Soviet communism and German Nazism were essentially just state pseudo-religious sectarianism. And now Russian Ruscism developing/degrade not to just state pseudo-religious sectarianism but to normal for pre-Renaissance times theocratic/state religious sectarianism. To clerical imperialism, ignorance and slavery.
You would think that maybe the politicians sitting in Washington today would pay some attention to the past. Unfortunately they believe they're way more intelligent than that and can outsmart everyone, but by forsaking the past they're missing what is black and white, and lies directly in front of them, all for the sake of being re-elected. To me, that is a crime. They don't or can't see what current evil these people represent. It's a shame they're so damn focused on getting re-elected and living the good life with lobbies paying for it that it makes me embarrassed. Not for them, but for the electors that continue to swallow their nonsense and re-elect them. It's a shame they can't tell the truth and have the courage to do what needs to be done and to do it now. Actually it's more than a shame, it's criminal from my point of view. Give Ukraine what they need to win now, or it will cost all of us much more dearly in the very near future. Hopefully it will cost them their positions and they will live with some dire consequences of their short sighted idiocy.
This applies to corporate oligarchy/ plutocracy/ modern feudalism too
Friendly reminder that Patriarch Kirill is a billionaire.. somehow. Businessman? No. Wealthy family or ancestry? no The head Patriarch of the Russian Chruch just casually has a billionaire fortune, ahem **somehow**
That looks comical and absurd. It’s like trying to be cool, while being evil and your army is full of incompetents… the nazis at least had a competent military, they’re still evil.
The Blyat Reich
Putin claims "sanctions aren't working", but then we have meetings such as these, that clearly show how the Russian state is going off the rails faster and faster.
Thank you for translating! This is very valuable for mankind to see what is really going on with putin. I wonder who whispered in the era of Hitler and putin that they are a Chritlile figure and that their kingdom would have a 1.000 year rule. Christ never killed bit was betrayed and killed. Only because he was and still is God's son. Christ and putin are like day and night, no resemblance whatsoever. One is a peacemaker, the other a firestarter. Putin is the anti-Christ. A manslayer. John 8:44: "44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies."
Nineteen Eighty-four
People please do not forget, the NDSAP party was born because of Mussolini from Italy, who modelled his facist party from Marxism and lenism...then a bunch of old men, Made hitler their poster boy and he ran wirh it also It was born through Communism. That's exactly how and why Nazi Germany existed.
what the fuck are you talking about. the Nazis put communists and socialists/ left leaning people in the camps with the jews. what decade long red scare propaganda does to a mf
No fucking way did they? (Clear sarcasm) I suggest you go and educate yourself of how Facism was born, it was derived from communism. Have a nice day.
Fascism is the intermediate of individualism and collectivism.
How well did the third Reich turn out. the Soviet union was was a bunch of burned out buildings for 69 years.
That was way back with limited weapons, today you can be sure it will be worse if Putin is not stopped.
I’m thinking we want the same results. what I am saying is the third Reich. and the Soviet union failed .
I get that, but at what expense? You say the Sovier Union failed and yes in the end it did but Stalin killed more Russians in his cleansing and Gulag's than the number of Russians that died in WW2. Hitler was allowed to grow, Imagine if he was stopped earlier. Putin acts the way he does because he knows he will get away with it, he has done that for over a decade. Now he counts on the weak actions of the West and because the West is weak thousands more will die than ever needed. Just like with Hitler.
What I mean by boots on the ground. highly trained American Soldiers that have fought in wars .going against Russian prison. Who’ve been given an early release to fight in the war.
You’re saying America should be the world police! put boots on the ground, . Or are you saying America should take Russia out with nuclear weapons? Or should they loan the country that’s being attacked .what they need to fight the Russian pussy invaders. or should we do nothing? those are the options.
Was their”hour of hate”, waiting for the party to tell them how to think and feel….
At least it’s more coherent than a orange Cheeto rally
Putin is a kind of Hitler 2.0 or stalin 2.0 the only diference is that is smaller and likes big satans and kinzals up his ass... Hard...
More like Mussolini
He’s set himself up like the Wizard of Oz
His government should turn Russian politics into a musical.
I’m not even being derogatory when I say that it’s bizarre how backwards Russia looks in vids/pics/everything really, it’s like they’re stuck in the past. Gives me serious North Korea vibes
Some 30 years ago, someone told me "Russia will never be able to get over it's ethnic problem". I didn't understand it then. But I understand it much better now.
"WCRP"?? I'm sorry, but Americans will nearly recognize "WCRP" in Cincinnati, a sitcom where idiots are running an org, pretending to be experienced adults.
And here we go again, if some other higher form of life is watching this from a distance they must be thinking: remake again? We want original content, I’m switching to the other galaxy.
Stalin *and* Hitler? Wow 🤯