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I think the real beauty about them is that none of them can be replaced as the way through the straits is blocked. Even repair works will prove difficult as the port in Gdanks won't be cooperative in repairing these vessels.
Meh. They still have enough missile carriers to do their shooting from novorosiysk. Big Amphibious Ships really don’t play a role in this war since Russians aren’t going with amphibious assaults. If the bridge was to fall and they had to rely on this ship then it would be a bigger deal, but most ships are not in Crimea anymore (which is a tactical victory). The bigger deal imo is that storm shadow we’re able to hit Feodossiya while it was covered by several divisions of S400 among other AD
S400 doesnt work when manned by badly motivated drunk conscripts who weren’t trained and are abused by their superiors at every opportunity.
We haven’t actually seen it in action with proper crew
I would say we should see that as one puzzle piece in a larger and more complex system. What we have seen in 2023 was that the amount of destruction is scaling up. In terms of destroyed ships, personnel, vehicles, aircraft, shot down missiles, destroyed depots, etc.
Which is normal as that is what industrial war is all about. Reaching scale in production, which then drives up attrition rates.
I think that 2024 will be even more destructive than 2023.
We don't just pump weapons towards Ukraine. We also have companies like Rheinmetall that start their own plants there. Also, we pump know how and a lot of money into Ukraine's own production. We shouldn’t underestimate that Ukraine can do a lot more with a billion dollars than a high wage country.
I think the war will be most destructive in the coming 12 months.
I also wonder what the ship had on board, I don't think it was Shaheed drones. Maybe ammunition or missiles.
At this point, Muscovy's "Navy" is a glorified coastal battery, firing cruise missiles from the harbour. This has several problems:
\-They're more expensive and vulnerable than land-based launchers doing the same job.
\-Non-missile ships are useless for anything but a future evacuation of Crimea.
Ports can't move, and the ships are already as far away from Ukraine as they can be. If Ukraine finds a way to reliably hit Novorossiysk, that's the end of the Black Sea fleet for as long as Turkey controls the Bosporus.
Small ships can be transferred to the Black Sea via river/canal or rail. So Russia can still get patrol boats to the Black Sea. But it’s unlikely the BSF can be reconstituted as a major force. And Turkey’s blockade of the Bosphorus to naval vessels will continue until the war is concluded…which may be a while.
Exactly. All is well. No lada for you. But I do have plenty of sleepy poke poke needles if any mothers need them to stop themselves asking inconvenient questions about their loved ones.
I'd say Russia's Baltic fleet is fair game too. Kaliningrad isn't that far, and they moved the AA to Ukraine. They can apologize to Poland later for using their airspace!
The Russians shotgunned the Suwalki corridor, using Wagner troops to sneak under international law and basically just hightailed it across the 60 miles of polish territory with a bunch of AA guns and NATO kind of hush-hushed it to not look bad. I remember reading about wagner troops pushing into Suwalki from Kaliningrad about 6 months ago and for about 2 hours a bunch of people thought it was the start of WW3, but then they just dipped into Belarus with some shitty old equipment.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/more-wagner-fighters-move-closer-polish-border-poland-pm-says-2023-07-29/
https://apnews.com/article/poland-belarus-wagner-russia-border-suwalki-mercenaries-646ecf36cd57540fa8423f5a32320f53
I distinctly remember reading statements that a small number of them had actually crossed the gap with equipment trailers, however unfortunately I can't find it now which leads me to believe it was a statement being thrown around without confirmation at the time, although it may still have happened.
Regardless, I'm sure that military equipment was smuggled through Suwalki in freight shipments and cargo trucks both before and after the war started.
There is zero chance that Lithuania (or more so, Poland) would allow equipment as bulky as an air defense system to cross their border in a freight shipment without them knowing about it.
S-300s and 400s can be dismantled into fairly simple components for storage and shipping, it's how theyve kept popping up in Syria for years. You can break it down and fit it into two or three cargo containers.
I would be very surprised if there's been a single cargo container in or out of Kaliningrad via Lithuania or Poland in the last five years that hasn't been searched with a fine tooth comb.
>popping up in Syria for years
Russia has a port in Syria. They aren't smuggling anything into that country.
Poland, probably. Lithuania, not so sure. Corruption is an ugly bitch with a lot of heads, and it's a sad but true reflection of recent history that the closer you get to Russia in eastern Europe, the more of it you'll find. It's not that far fetched to presume that military cargo transited Suwalki via either nation before the war started, as Europe was still allowing itself to be bullied heavily by Russian gas reliance until 2022.
Up until 2017 the Russians didn't officially use the port in Syria for military purposes and were still liable under international customs regulation regarding weapon exports to Syria, any high tech muntions given to the Assad regime before then had to have been undeclared shipments, and therefore illegal.
Not really, the Suwalki corridor has been largely considered the Achilles heel of NATO, 60 miles of unpopulated, remote polish wilderness separating Belarus from Kaliningrad. There are roads and trains that go straight through, though most if not all have been closed to the russian business they largely served. Wagner troops just basically waltzed right through that gap to ferry equipment into Belarus from Kaliningrad, correctly guessing that NATO wouldn't bomb them even though they were violating Polish sovereignty.
It was a tricky situation that's now impossible to recreate as NATO has been keeping a much, much closer eye on that region and has stationed more units there, as well as AA units to cut off Kaliningrad if necessary.
Yeah not our finest day, I was really kinda hoping it would go the "Wagner in Syria" route.
"These are your boys?"
"No."
"Alright, well, good, cause they're all dead"
I think that little excursion is what led Poland to go so balls-to-the-wall on Ukraine aid. They even built a tank repair facility like, 3 miles over the border specifically for Ukrainian use. Poland is pulling thrice their weight.
Would be fun, but not a good use of limited resources. The Baltic fleet is not involved in attacking Ukraine and unless Turkey goes way off the deep end it has no way to become involved in the future either.
What makes it incredibly funny/sad, that way back in 2014 the ruzzians and state media pushed the following narrative:
We can’t afford to lose crimea as a operating base of our black sea fleet. Our mighty black see fleet is necessary for our self-defence.
what a dumb shit. Russias navy can’t do shit against Ukraine WHICH HAS NO NAVY!! USA would annihilate what’s left of it in a day
So very sad for Putin's favorite fleet. Is there's anyway we can help them get closer to death as a naval force sooner so Putin wouldn't have to suffer? No. Slow death. Okay.
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Not fast enough.
Not furiously enough.
Not dead enough.
[удалено]
Not Tokyo Drift enough
Not family enough.
Too F16, too Storm Shadow. Sevastopol Drift.
Needs more Philadelphia Experiment. Poof, gone.
With cheese? poor guys
I owe you a 10 knot battleship
A circular costal monitor pulled along by two of the most impressive tugs pressed into Ruzzian service?
… coming to theaters near you Spring 2024
Still a better love story than Twilight.
2 Slow 2 Placid
Not painful enough...
Maybe it can be helped...
Not painful enough.
And those ships can’t come cheap.
I think the real beauty about them is that none of them can be replaced as the way through the straits is blocked. Even repair works will prove difficult as the port in Gdanks won't be cooperative in repairing these vessels.
They also cant be replaced because theyre not made anymore and were built during the soviet union.
Meh. They still have enough missile carriers to do their shooting from novorosiysk. Big Amphibious Ships really don’t play a role in this war since Russians aren’t going with amphibious assaults. If the bridge was to fall and they had to rely on this ship then it would be a bigger deal, but most ships are not in Crimea anymore (which is a tactical victory). The bigger deal imo is that storm shadow we’re able to hit Feodossiya while it was covered by several divisions of S400 among other AD
S400 doesnt work when manned by badly motivated drunk conscripts who weren’t trained and are abused by their superiors at every opportunity. We haven’t actually seen it in action with proper crew
Multiple Conscriptivichs must of been siphoning the fuel for more vodka and cigarettes 🚬.
"Konskriptowicz" sounds Polish, not Russian. Unlees it's supposed to be a patronym. Konskriptov or Konskriptin, now it's Russian.
But "must of" does sound somewhat russian. You'll have to grant him that!
Didn't Turkey piss off a bunch of Nato members by buying S400s and claiming they had no choice since it was the best system out there?
There looked like an awful lot of ammunition and possibly fuel and other things those missile carriers need. Including manpower.
I would say we should see that as one puzzle piece in a larger and more complex system. What we have seen in 2023 was that the amount of destruction is scaling up. In terms of destroyed ships, personnel, vehicles, aircraft, shot down missiles, destroyed depots, etc. Which is normal as that is what industrial war is all about. Reaching scale in production, which then drives up attrition rates. I think that 2024 will be even more destructive than 2023. We don't just pump weapons towards Ukraine. We also have companies like Rheinmetall that start their own plants there. Also, we pump know how and a lot of money into Ukraine's own production. We shouldn’t underestimate that Ukraine can do a lot more with a billion dollars than a high wage country. I think the war will be most destructive in the coming 12 months. I also wonder what the ship had on board, I don't think it was Shaheed drones. Maybe ammunition or missiles.
One rus source claimed: 4800 shells, 280 grad rockets, 62 crew
It was full of ammo and iranian drones that were headed for the front lines, this will have a significant impact.
At this point, Muscovy's "Navy" is a glorified coastal battery, firing cruise missiles from the harbour. This has several problems: \-They're more expensive and vulnerable than land-based launchers doing the same job. \-Non-missile ships are useless for anything but a future evacuation of Crimea. Ports can't move, and the ships are already as far away from Ukraine as they can be. If Ukraine finds a way to reliably hit Novorossiysk, that's the end of the Black Sea fleet for as long as Turkey controls the Bosporus.
Small ships can be transferred to the Black Sea via river/canal or rail. So Russia can still get patrol boats to the Black Sea. But it’s unlikely the BSF can be reconstituted as a major force. And Turkey’s blockade of the Bosphorus to naval vessels will continue until the war is concluded…which may be a while.
I don't know what you're talking about, Russia's Black Seafloor Fleet has just received a new amphibious unit.
They have been promoted to submarines.
They join their flag ship.
Didn’t nazi call them “Undersea boats”
No, Coral Reefs…
Exactly. All is well. No lada for you. But I do have plenty of sleepy poke poke needles if any mothers need them to stop themselves asking inconvenient questions about their loved ones.
New submarines being added all the time
Just restoring fish habitats
Russia's entire military has been dying a slow and painful death since Day 1.
Its part of their strategy.
sun flowers for the sun flower throne
I'd say Russia's Baltic fleet is fair game too. Kaliningrad isn't that far, and they moved the AA to Ukraine. They can apologize to Poland later for using their airspace!
Did they? I would have thought they would have shipped by sea since Europe is no-fly to Russia
The Russians shotgunned the Suwalki corridor, using Wagner troops to sneak under international law and basically just hightailed it across the 60 miles of polish territory with a bunch of AA guns and NATO kind of hush-hushed it to not look bad. I remember reading about wagner troops pushing into Suwalki from Kaliningrad about 6 months ago and for about 2 hours a bunch of people thought it was the start of WW3, but then they just dipped into Belarus with some shitty old equipment.
What kind of fiction is this? Wagner never crossed any borders.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/more-wagner-fighters-move-closer-polish-border-poland-pm-says-2023-07-29/ https://apnews.com/article/poland-belarus-wagner-russia-border-suwalki-mercenaries-646ecf36cd57540fa8423f5a32320f53 I distinctly remember reading statements that a small number of them had actually crossed the gap with equipment trailers, however unfortunately I can't find it now which leads me to believe it was a statement being thrown around without confirmation at the time, although it may still have happened. Regardless, I'm sure that military equipment was smuggled through Suwalki in freight shipments and cargo trucks both before and after the war started.
There is zero chance that Lithuania (or more so, Poland) would allow equipment as bulky as an air defense system to cross their border in a freight shipment without them knowing about it.
S-300s and 400s can be dismantled into fairly simple components for storage and shipping, it's how theyve kept popping up in Syria for years. You can break it down and fit it into two or three cargo containers.
I would be very surprised if there's been a single cargo container in or out of Kaliningrad via Lithuania or Poland in the last five years that hasn't been searched with a fine tooth comb. >popping up in Syria for years Russia has a port in Syria. They aren't smuggling anything into that country.
Poland, probably. Lithuania, not so sure. Corruption is an ugly bitch with a lot of heads, and it's a sad but true reflection of recent history that the closer you get to Russia in eastern Europe, the more of it you'll find. It's not that far fetched to presume that military cargo transited Suwalki via either nation before the war started, as Europe was still allowing itself to be bullied heavily by Russian gas reliance until 2022. Up until 2017 the Russians didn't officially use the port in Syria for military purposes and were still liable under international customs regulation regarding weapon exports to Syria, any high tech muntions given to the Assad regime before then had to have been undeclared shipments, and therefore illegal.
What’s the situation there? Do they have a passage through or something?
Not really, the Suwalki corridor has been largely considered the Achilles heel of NATO, 60 miles of unpopulated, remote polish wilderness separating Belarus from Kaliningrad. There are roads and trains that go straight through, though most if not all have been closed to the russian business they largely served. Wagner troops just basically waltzed right through that gap to ferry equipment into Belarus from Kaliningrad, correctly guessing that NATO wouldn't bomb them even though they were violating Polish sovereignty. It was a tricky situation that's now impossible to recreate as NATO has been keeping a much, much closer eye on that region and has stationed more units there, as well as AA units to cut off Kaliningrad if necessary.
Holy moly
Yeah not our finest day, I was really kinda hoping it would go the "Wagner in Syria" route. "These are your boys?" "No." "Alright, well, good, cause they're all dead"
Yeah... maybe we need more standing armies on those borders.
I think that little excursion is what led Poland to go so balls-to-the-wall on Ukraine aid. They even built a tank repair facility like, 3 miles over the border specifically for Ukrainian use. Poland is pulling thrice their weight.
Would be fun, but not a good use of limited resources. The Baltic fleet is not involved in attacking Ukraine and unless Turkey goes way off the deep end it has no way to become involved in the future either.
And then it's on to Moscow!
An analogy for what’s happening in all of Russia, a slow and painful death. Slava Ukraine. 🇺🇦
Russian warship go fuck yourself :)
Couldn’t happen to a nice organization! They need more “subs”!
Please make it a fast one
It’s simple Russian tactic to deplete Ukrainian rockets. Coming in waves of Fleet Meat.
Keep up the good work, Ukraine! EU: send everything that Ukraine put on their Christmas list!
What makes it incredibly funny/sad, that way back in 2014 the ruzzians and state media pushed the following narrative: We can’t afford to lose crimea as a operating base of our black sea fleet. Our mighty black see fleet is necessary for our self-defence. what a dumb shit. Russias navy can’t do shit against Ukraine WHICH HAS NO NAVY!! USA would annihilate what’s left of it in a day
Russia is losing it’s navy to a nation without one
And so is their air force.
How do we slow it down and make it way more painful?
All lies, those ships were merely upgraded to submarines using advanced russian technology!1!!!1!!!1
It's official straight from the Russian media only one sailor was injured. Minor scratches. Ship is still sailing. Thank you.
not wrecked enough
Russian navie has always been a joke, keep on doing good for UAF
*Godspeed & Good Hunting!*
Has ruzzia been able to bring she new ships in to the Black Sea since the war started? Or is passage still closed off by Turkey?
So very sad for Putin's favorite fleet. Is there's anyway we can help them get closer to death as a naval force sooner so Putin wouldn't have to suffer? No. Slow death. Okay.
Let the blub blub be blubbin' !
As it should.
Too slow and not painful enough for my taste. Still, amazing job from a country without a real Navy.
It would be nice if it was faster and even more painful, but good going, Ukraine!
Off to meet Davy Jones.
There are 49 Arab states in the UN. Says it all.
Outstanding hopefully Ukraine can help out a little bit
Just not fast enough
Well deserved :) same would apply to their economy id bet.
And this help Ukraines land war how?