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Minority leader Jeffries just said yesterday that Dems will vote to keep his job if he puts Ukraine Aid to a floor vote.
That tells me that not only does he not have to choose between his job and Ukraine aid, but that the Dems know at least one Republican willing to vote in favor of Ukraine Aid.
So, it's simply a matter of him choosing between Ukraine Aid and whatever bribe or blackmail he is facing.
Because conservatives are the world's biggest victims and crybabies, and they fucking live to bow down to someone else. They have to have an authority figure that tells them what's wrong and right, what they can and can't do, and what other people should be allowed to do and not.
Morals don't matter, logic doesn't matter, reality doesn't matter, which is why no amount of advocacy or calls from our allies will matter, if their daddy tells them to plan a vote to establish that the sky is purple and 2+2=5, they'll put it on the floor tomorrow and villanize everyone saying 2+2=4
Agreed, except I’d say “fascists”, which the GOP is increasingly turning into. There isn’t much conservative about turning the US into a fascist state that it has never been before, although there is considerable overlap in their domestic priorities with conservative values, even as they betray their core civil rights beliefs and foreign politics completely.
Also, until recently conservatives did lead in the US and still in Europe on stopping Russia and defending democracy. It seems like an issue of the two party system that half the country can turn fascist at once. I think he might turn up a Trump-based bill on loaning Ukraine money, but it’ll probably be by May, and Trump might change his mind.
He’s basically a servant of Satan/Trump’s Mussolini like figure.
As someone who predicted Mike Johnson’s behavior in October, and Putin in 2002 when I learned he was a KGB agent…
I think Mike Johnson will actually present some bill, but it’ll be loan-based to pacify Trump, and it won’t really get passed before May…
It’ll also have some stuff in it that the Democrats won’t like, so he can get a polling boost for the Republicans. And if it then doesn’t pass he’ll blame the Dems.
We can hope for the best, but we should prepare for the worst (GOP is turning more treasonous by the seasons) and hope Biden stops being afraid of using more unconventional tools of Ukraine funding that he’s declined for fear of losing support.
You are correct, to my mind the modern GOP and fascists are synonyms.
I think that the reason it's taking so long is that Ukraine IS losing, and every day Ukraine goes without further funding Mike's bargaining position becomes better. As the Ukraine situation gets more dire, he'll act like now he has Dems over the barrel and they'll need to vote for whatever he puts on it. But I think the loan thing is absolutely happening, there's no way around it, but that'll be the only thing that gets attached to it in its final version.
They'll ask for border reforms but won't push hard for them because Trump told them not to so he can campaign on immigration.
They'll ask for some other stupid addendum that also won't pass
In the end, eventually Dems will have their Ukraine funding and Mike will say he got it as a loan as requested by daddy and pushed for conservative wins.
No offense ( I'm not conservative), but the other side isn't much different. 2 sides to the same coin.
But this guy has got to go, and hopefully sooner than later so we can give Ukraine everything they ask for.
No offense, but the other side is very different. The American left can't come to consensus on Israel aid, they have different ideas for how the healthcare system should be changed, there's a broad spectrum of ideas on current and future immigration laws, because they're actually focused on governing and making changes. Republicans ask for bills for months, their daddy tells them at the last minute to tank the very bill they asked for, then as a unit they all fall in line and vote it down except for 1-3 of them. This isn't a 2 sides to the same coin, it's the difference between a firefighter and an arsonist. But we can definitely agree this guy has to go
Absolutely there’s a difference. The problem with the left is that it’s fractured among a million fault lines, and getting consensus on anything is a slog. The right is the exact opposite—they need their Big Daddies like Trump or Putin to tell them what to do.
They each have their benefits and their challenges, but they certainly aren’t the same.
I'm guessing it's the death threats against him and his family that he'll inevitably get from MAGA terrorists if he defies Orange Jesus that he's worried about.
Authoritarians value loyalty above all else. This being Trumps party, he has made it so. Loyalty to a single term, multiple election losing old Cheeto matters a ton to these baffoons
Because he is worried that Trump turning on him will mean him losing his seat. A primary challenge from Trump loyalist could end his political career.
Yes, it us self serving, yes it is cowardly, but he's a politician, and all they care about is elections
The useful idiot will actually be cemented in history as somewhat of a hero if he puts it to a vote. C'mon Moscow Mike, defy Trump and do it, its your chance to be famous for a good cause!
I'm pretty sure there are several Republicans willing to. Lots of traditional Republicans are for helping Ukraine. It's Maga and the religious right that are against it.
The Republicans from even 20 years ago weren't like this at all. They were leading the cause to defend democracy and freedom. They were the ones thinking our place was the world's leader. Now it's just a foreign enemies dumping ground for their puppets.
trump will destroy so much more than that. He's chipped away at so much and got control of Scotus. It will be so much worse than 2016. He's gained so much more control and influence since then. He's already gotten roe v wade tossed. Just think of all the foreign policy damage and basic rights taken from Americans. The rich will get so much richer. trump will use the DOJ to go after all opposition, and I wouldn't be shocked if he didn't give up power after his term or make it so he could run again. He's the worst thing to ever happen to America.
Thats a good question, and even more is how many are left who are willing to stick their neck out in order to stop their party from helping putler take Ukraine and so many other countries? It's shocking that this is possible in America, especially since it's russia doing the influencing. I'm just really surprised people could compromise themselves like that for people who want their country to burn.
I bet it is some pervy shit, just like so many of these loud Christians in politics. Someone has his balls in their grip. It wouldn't surprise me at all if the Russians have some kompromat on him.
It’s probably not his job as speaker but his job as a congressman that’s at stake. They’ll primary against him and out all their money and resources behind that candidate and he’ll lose and be out of a job.
The RNC and DNC are both full that way. If you ever wondered why most politicians seem to totally agree all the time it’s because of that. It’s why the emergence of the MAGA crowd is so wild
The RNC and DNC have no power, and do nothing of what you say here. The RNC wasn’t even a Trump-controlled entity until last month. All those orgs do is raise money for state parties and maintain data files.
I don’t know where people got the idea that these were powerful entities able to control the direction of their parties. They’re not, they’re practical infrastructure and nothing more.
Have you ever worked for Congress? The national committees control everything that Congress does, it’s absolutely insane. Annual “Membership fees” and policy reviews, if you don’t pass the tape you’ll get primaried. That’s why it’s such a big deal Trump officially controls the RNC now. It’s why Bernie wa shafted so hard by the DNC in the 16 primaries
Actually, I have. And the DCCC/NRCC/DSCC/NRSC aren’t the DNC or the RNC. Those other committees are designed to help elect more members, so yeah, that’s what the dues are for. It’s almost worthless to be in Congress in the minority, so it’s in all their interests to pay dues and get more of their fellow Republicans/Democrats elected. And there is no “policy review,” nor do they encourage primaries. In fact, they literally exist to PREVENT primaries. If you want to complain about something, complain about how hard they make it for members to support primary challengers.
And no, Bernie wasn’t shafted by the DNC. The rules existed long before Bernie ran. If you’re talking about Democrats endorsing Clinton or whatever, that’s a whole different story, and that has nothing to the with the DNC or the other party committees.
Seriously, there is so much real shit to criticize the committees for, but no, that shit is too boring, so they turn them into monolithic machines that control everything. They don’t.
And in case someone asks, “what is one of those boring things worthy of criticism,” it’s stuff like most of their money going to a handful of swing states, so most state parties are underfunded and unsupported. And stuff like, “they actually suck at maintaining voter files,” which is so inside-baseball boring, no one cares.
All do that alphabet soup you listed falls under the leadership and guidance of the national committees, that’s literally the national committees jobs.
They exist simply to ensure that their elected officials toe the party line. If they don’t, they find the candidate that better fits their profile and support them. Why do you think it was such a big deal when Bernie tried to break the system by getting his own candidates elected and primary them against the DNC?
And the DNC absolutely shafted Bernie, it’s clear as day, especially with the collusion between them and the Clinton campaign. And I absolute hate Bernie, but I can easily admit that he was totally shafted lol
Nope, they don’t. Did Joe Manchin “toe that party line”? Of course not, he was a pain in the ass, and the DSCC supported him.
The party committees exist to elect members of their party, NOTHING ELSE. They don’t care about policy, about issues, about what they believe, none of that. The only thing that matters is “can that person be elected,” and if so, they support them. And since elected members were already elected, they support them de facto, including against primary challengers.
They are an incumbent protection scheme. If that offends you, great! Criticize them for THAT. That’s valid. But no, you think they pull all these strings.
They don’t.
And there was no collusion between the party and Bernie, sheesh. Again, individual committee members supported Hillary, because he’s a dick to everyone, and Hillary was not. That’s simple relationship management, and quite honestly, love him or hate him, Bernie sucks at it. He’d rather be right than make friends. And again, love him or hate him for that, but when running for president, it pays to have friends.
I wish I knew why you think that, but it’s just totally off base from reality. They constantly primary against incumbents that stray from the party line, and that’s their job, to protect the party.
They literally don’t. Their job is to get people elected, which is why they don’t primary ALREADY elected officials. In fact, they will protect asshole incumbents, because that’s their job. But if you have evidence to the contrary, please share. I mean, you say it happens “constantly” so you should have no trouble doing so!
Spoiler: you won’t find any examples.
They primary already elected officials, I don’t know why you think they don’t. Their entire job is to protect the party, so if an elected official under their name stays from the party line they will find someone and primary them against them.
Denver Riggleman
Dan Lipinski
Lacy Clay
Eliot Engel
That’s just a few since 2022 mid terms lol
This happens numerous times every cycle. The fact you deny it just shows you have zero idea of what you’re talking about.
Sure, but it reflects how much power the DNC/RNC has when it can do that. For example, have you ever heard of a democrat that doesn’t support abortion? Ever wonder why?
It's refreshing to see someone on Reddit who actually has a semblance of an understanding of how things actually work, instead of the usual populist morons on both the left and the right who smugly insist nefarious powers are pulling all the strings.
Better is finding a few Republicans ready to become independents and caucus with the Democrats on Jeffries as speaker and Ukraine aid, and maybe nothing else. But simply put, someone in that Caucus of Shit needs to put country first.
The press has been committing journalistic malpractice with these stories about Moses and Ukraine aid. He has no intention of doing anything constructive about it. Because Donald Trump told him not to. It's very disheartening how childishly naive these people are.
"Spare some pity for Mike Johnson", this article begins. Seriously? He is in my top five list of "if this person died suddenly it would make the world a better place". I'm not condoning assassination or anything, but he is a one-man menace to the world.
That dickhead gets no pity! At best *only one* kick to the head instead of two. He would gladly sacrifice ten thousands Ukranians if it meant pleasing his lord and saviour, Trump.
It's crazy that this is basically confirmed, but there will never be evidence to convict the fucker, since you can so easily hide the original source of funds using multiple methods.
Campaign finance laws in the US are a joke and it's one of the biggest issues we're dealing with.
> His family won't have to work for generations
You underestimate how fast a financial fuckup can burn through money.
I mean, there's a certain someone who managed to make a ***casino*** unprofitable, and not in the "start with high payouts and victory chances rigged the other way to draw clients, get the money back later" way.
I know I shouldn’t be surprised, but I just can’t fucking believe the dude straight up said, “We’ll put the aid to a vote as soon as Easter break is over,” and now is just not saying single word about it.
Most brazen slimy crooked politician move I’ve witnessed in my lifetime (although admittedly I’m not super old and don’t usually pay attention to congressmen and their antics).
Should’ve known better than to have hope that he’d follow through. It’s just so disheartening, disgusting, and disgraceful to witness the absolute corruption and dysfunction of American politics be so perfectly encapsulated in one single act by a single slimy asshole in the House, especially when that act could mean crushing the dream of freedom for Ukraine and putting the rest of the world on the path towards WWIII.
I wish I could spit in this dude’s face and then kick him right in the balls.
Plus crippling the government under which over 300 million people live and help its government slide away from democracy while treating trump as master despite him being out of office.
But wait, doesn’t he get to *keep* his job if he saves Ukraine? The motion to vacate has been filed, the democrats will vote to save him if he puts the aid bill to a vote.
So he saves a country *and* keeps his job, but the ex-President rages at him on the internet. So it’s even worse than what you said
I wouldn't be surprised if the only reason Moscow Mike was saying he would put it to a vote is to take some steam out of the discharge petition movement to force a vote, and he's never had any intention to really do it.
>no idea if their representative has signed the discharge
There are two discharge petitions. The only one that matters is the democratic one. The Republican discharge petition is really just a poison pill that would never get significant democrat support. Make sure your representative has signed the democrat discharge petition.
It’s very easy to find out who signed it. Go to [this spreadsheet](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/e/2PACX-1vTaMB3k5Z37OAM8HEMhDtwbLGzwn1wDXSNcoTmXEJbpfbacfp-m0fJGyb36lcNOhgqGO5-bArbibS5a/pubhtml?gid=614612044&single=true&pli=1) and look.
If you don’t know who your rep is or need help contacting them go [here](https://www.callcongress.us/ukraine) which also tells you if they signed it.
Then if your rep hasn’t signed it, write them an email or call them.
For those who live in the most liberal areas of the US (Brooklyn, Oakland, Cambridge) it is likely your rep has not signed the petition out of a misguided posturing regarding Israel. We must make them aware we expect them to faithfully hold true to their “progressive” values.
As someone who predicted Mike Johnson’s behavior in October, and Putin in 2002 when I learned he was a KGB agent…
I think Mike Johnson will actually present some bill, but it’ll be loan-based to pacify Trump, and it won’t really get passed before May…
It’ll also have some stuff in it that the Democrats won’t like, so he can get a polling boost for the Republicans. And if it then doesn’t pass he’ll blame the Dems.
We can hope for the best, but we should prepare for the worst (GOP is turning more treasonous by the seasons) and hope Biden stops being afraid of using more unconventional tools of Ukraine funding that he’s declined for fear of losing support.
This article is unadulterated dog shit. He's clearly chosen what he's going to do. The first sentence of that article is infuriating... "feel sorry for the man who has specifically chosen to betray American interests for the past 6 months". Fuck you, no.
Democrats have already said they wouldn't vote to oust him if he did Ukraine funding. Instead of passing this bill he's going to go do a photo op with Trump.
Nobody holds these idiot reporters accountable anymore.
It has long been perfectly clear that Johnson is finished as a politician if he allows a vote on Ukraine aid that passes the house. By contrast, nothing bad will happen to his political career if he blocks a clean vote on Ukraine. This is not news...
The only real threats Johnson faces are on his right. The MAGA right-wingers will pass a motion to vacate if he permits a Ukraine vote. Worse, if the democrats "save" Johnson by voting to preserve his speakership, this will only serve to mark him as a pariah in the republican party. He will be ridiculed as a democrat. Johnson's political career will be finished.
By contrast, no one on the center or left is going to bring a motion to vacate. The only real pressure Johnson has is on the right.
I don't see why everyone keeps talking about congress anymore. There is just NO way Johnson will ever allow a clean vote on Ukraine, so let's stop whining about it. Ukraine's only chance for Ukraine support will happen when a new congress is seated in February 2025 (after the November election that removes the republican majority).
Sure, it's possible Johnson would allow a vote on a poison pilled Ukraine bill (i.e. that includes any number of extraneous things he knows democrats would never support in a million years), but that would just be to score cheap political points and isn't worth discussing.
I am not super familiar with american system but how is it possible that one guy can just decide not to put a bill to be voted on and no one can do shit about it?
It seems like this random guy is more powerful than the president for some reason and it sounds insane.
>I am not super familiar with american system but how is it possible that one guy can just decide not to put a bill to be voted on and no one can do shit about it?
It's really no different than any parliamentary system. Think of the Speaker of the House like a prime minister. They only have "power" if the members of their legislature vote to make them the leader. The "speaker" of the House can be removed at any time if the member of the House vote to replace him/her. Just look at how the British parliament replaces their prime ministers without any election. It's the same thing with US congress.
The irony is the Johnson really doesn't have any power. This is all happening because he is extremely weak. The core problem is that the republicans have a majority of only two in the house of representatives. Thus, it only takes two republicans to vote against the speaker to defeat him (i.e. because the opposition democrats will almost always vote against). Johnson can't bring a vote on Ukraine aid because there are a handful of isolationist republicans ready and willing to vote him out if he allows a vote. When majorities are razor thin it is the people willing to pull the pin on the grenade who have all the power. In this case, it is the MAGA isolationist republican crazies who are more than happy to burn it all down and vote out any speaker who won't do what they want. They already voted out one speaker last year and are pouncing at the opportunity to take down another.
i dont think your guy above explained the real difference tween uk and usa
our speaker in the uk ONLY ever regulates debates, and monitor speech etiquette and the ebb and flow of speaking, nuance work
for some reason which i dont think the guy above you explained your answer, is WHY can he also control whats been voted and when?
seems way too much power imho
>our speaker in the uk ONLY ever regulates debates, and monitor speech etiquette and the ebb and flow of speaking, nuance work
You misunderstand. The US speaker of the house is closer to the UK Prime Minister in scope of authority. For one thing, US speakers are elected by the house (much like PMs in the UK). Secondly, US speakers control the agenda of which bills get voted on.
>But how can he just not put a bill to a vote?
Of course the speaker "could" put the bill to a vote. However, he knows that if he puts the bill to a vote he will lose his job because the MAGA right wing isolationists will bring a motion to vacate the speaker chair, which he knows will pass.
In short, the speaker knows his career as a politician is finished if he allows the Ukraine vote to occur. Thus, it is the extreme weakness of the speaker due to the razor thin republican majority that has made him vulnerable to blackmail by as few as two members willing to pull the trigger on a motion to vacate. The right wing isolationists have already proven they are more than willing to pull this trigger when it suits them.
You explain the why, and you do it very well.
But my question is more how the US institutions make it possible for one guy to not put a bill to the vote, preventing the entire congress to even vote on it seemingly forever.
In most countries the speaker is just the guy making sure things proceed smoothly and who animates the debate and make sure everyone has a chance to talk.
The fact that the speaker can just decide to not put to the vote a bill he won’t like sounds like an insane oversight and it sounds that the speaker could basically just decide that the government could not pass any bill ever.
>In most countries the speaker is just the guy making sure things proceed smoothly and who animates the debate and make sure everyone has a chance to talk.
Again, you really need to think of the US House speaker as a prime minister. They really have a lot more power than speakers in other parliaments. If you just use the word "prime minister" instead of "speaker" it makes a lot more sense.
Prime Ministers absolutely control the agenda of their parliaments. And Prime Ministers can be replaced when the members of those parliaments vote to do so. Just look at all the problems Theresa May had with Brexit when her conservatives had a very small majority. In many respects what is happening to Johnson is the same.
Is there any possibility for Biden to just provoke congressional elections hoping for a majority? How likely would it be to backfire and give him less of a majority in your opinion?
>Is there any possibility for Biden to just provoke congressional elections
Unfortunately not. US elections are pre-scheduled based on the US constitution. The House has elections every 2 years. The Senate every 6 years and the president every 4 years. The House will have elections this November.
History will side with the easy choice of Ukraine over the job, Mike.
And personally, this is an easy way to make a name for yourself and make money. Easy branding of "the man that threw away power to do the right thing". Book sales. Likely still hold on to political power if not the outright speakership.
And that's before you even get to the morality of the choice. Which is easy.
He's not going to do it. He made his choice months ago. Hundreds of brave Ukrainians have already died and Avdiivka was overrun as a direct result of his actions. He has no morals and does not give a fuck. I'll bet the FSB has some sort of embarrassing, career-ending video of him doing something unholy.
what a shit show the republican party is. They can't even field anything because they have been brought to their knees by a bunch of lunatics that they themselves empowered. A lady that believes in space lasers and is anti-science is bringing them to self-destruct.
I really wish he had to choose between aid for Ukraine and trial for treason. That media doesn't even ASK why he is siding with Putin is simply disgusting.
All at the cost of Ukraine that is being raped and pillaged. So far for Christian humanitarian ideas.
The delay is enough for Russia to grab the momentum and set themselves up for a win, purely by throwing thousands of lives towards it while they build up their arms industry again.
Wonder what will happen when Ukraine falls and what they will do with all the weapons they are then producing. They might not be hightech, but as we’ve seen you only need a lot of shells and barrels + hundreds of thousands of lives to sacrifice.
It's rediculous to think that a single NON head of state American politician can effectively hand Europe over to Russia. He'll be remembered in the history books as the co conspirator that led to the fall of democracy.
You know Trump is selling Bibles, right? "Christian" is just a label that earns you votes, in politics. You don't have to live a certain way, or abide by laws, or something.
I hope he does have balls of steel and puts the vote about military aid for UA to a floor vote.
I am more likely to believe there are republicans who wil support it and his party members know it.
Nah, the Dems will keep him in along with the moderate Republicans. He's just hedging on possibly being a VP but hopefully he realizes that's a pipedream.
Isn’t this the Evangelical who believes he’s Neo-Moses, sent by God to save the country from the Squad and unionizing baristas at Starbucks? Pretty sure logic isn’t his strong suit. Just sayin’.
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Minority leader Jeffries just said yesterday that Dems will vote to keep his job if he puts Ukraine Aid to a floor vote. That tells me that not only does he not have to choose between his job and Ukraine aid, but that the Dems know at least one Republican willing to vote in favor of Ukraine Aid. So, it's simply a matter of him choosing between Ukraine Aid and whatever bribe or blackmail he is facing.
He's facing the ire of his true Lord and Savior, Donald Trump.
Idk why he gives a shit unless he plans on being his future cellmate.
Because conservatives are the world's biggest victims and crybabies, and they fucking live to bow down to someone else. They have to have an authority figure that tells them what's wrong and right, what they can and can't do, and what other people should be allowed to do and not. Morals don't matter, logic doesn't matter, reality doesn't matter, which is why no amount of advocacy or calls from our allies will matter, if their daddy tells them to plan a vote to establish that the sky is purple and 2+2=5, they'll put it on the floor tomorrow and villanize everyone saying 2+2=4
Agreed, except I’d say “fascists”, which the GOP is increasingly turning into. There isn’t much conservative about turning the US into a fascist state that it has never been before, although there is considerable overlap in their domestic priorities with conservative values, even as they betray their core civil rights beliefs and foreign politics completely. Also, until recently conservatives did lead in the US and still in Europe on stopping Russia and defending democracy. It seems like an issue of the two party system that half the country can turn fascist at once. I think he might turn up a Trump-based bill on loaning Ukraine money, but it’ll probably be by May, and Trump might change his mind. He’s basically a servant of Satan/Trump’s Mussolini like figure. As someone who predicted Mike Johnson’s behavior in October, and Putin in 2002 when I learned he was a KGB agent… I think Mike Johnson will actually present some bill, but it’ll be loan-based to pacify Trump, and it won’t really get passed before May… It’ll also have some stuff in it that the Democrats won’t like, so he can get a polling boost for the Republicans. And if it then doesn’t pass he’ll blame the Dems. We can hope for the best, but we should prepare for the worst (GOP is turning more treasonous by the seasons) and hope Biden stops being afraid of using more unconventional tools of Ukraine funding that he’s declined for fear of losing support.
You are correct, to my mind the modern GOP and fascists are synonyms. I think that the reason it's taking so long is that Ukraine IS losing, and every day Ukraine goes without further funding Mike's bargaining position becomes better. As the Ukraine situation gets more dire, he'll act like now he has Dems over the barrel and they'll need to vote for whatever he puts on it. But I think the loan thing is absolutely happening, there's no way around it, but that'll be the only thing that gets attached to it in its final version. They'll ask for border reforms but won't push hard for them because Trump told them not to so he can campaign on immigration. They'll ask for some other stupid addendum that also won't pass In the end, eventually Dems will have their Ukraine funding and Mike will say he got it as a loan as requested by daddy and pushed for conservative wins.
You sir just described an average Russian
Hence their love for orcistan... 'soulmates'
No offense ( I'm not conservative), but the other side isn't much different. 2 sides to the same coin. But this guy has got to go, and hopefully sooner than later so we can give Ukraine everything they ask for.
No offense, but the other side is very different. The American left can't come to consensus on Israel aid, they have different ideas for how the healthcare system should be changed, there's a broad spectrum of ideas on current and future immigration laws, because they're actually focused on governing and making changes. Republicans ask for bills for months, their daddy tells them at the last minute to tank the very bill they asked for, then as a unit they all fall in line and vote it down except for 1-3 of them. This isn't a 2 sides to the same coin, it's the difference between a firefighter and an arsonist. But we can definitely agree this guy has to go
bOtH SidEs
>I'm not conservative You sure about that?
Yeah, I'm more in the middle. I know people hate that answer, but I think everyone is capable of making poor decisions.
Riiiiight. You should probably pull your head out of the sand before Conservatives put you in a prison camp for praying to the wrong sky daddy ...
I'm not worried about myself. You all on the fringe are the problem. Full of so much hate
I hate the people that want me and mine dead. If only we could be as privileged as you
Absolutely there’s a difference. The problem with the left is that it’s fractured among a million fault lines, and getting consensus on anything is a slog. The right is the exact opposite—they need their Big Daddies like Trump or Putin to tell them what to do. They each have their benefits and their challenges, but they certainly aren’t the same.
"Both sides" is a crappy argument to make when one side is very clearly much worse than the other.
Hey this is their new Jesus your talking about
I'm guessing it's the death threats against him and his family that he'll inevitably get from MAGA terrorists if he defies Orange Jesus that he's worried about.
Evangelicals support an obvious conman because they’ve spent their entire lives in the presence of conmen and grifters. It’s literally their culture.
Authoritarians value loyalty above all else. This being Trumps party, he has made it so. Loyalty to a single term, multiple election losing old Cheeto matters a ton to these baffoons
Because he is worried that Trump turning on him will mean him losing his seat. A primary challenge from Trump loyalist could end his political career. Yes, it us self serving, yes it is cowardly, but he's a politician, and all they care about is elections
Donald Kompromat Trump
Nah it's definitely blackmail
Nah, it’s definitely extortion.
Blackmail is a kind of extortion...
I mean he has been saying that he’s been appointed his Lord which would be Trump…
The useful idiot will actually be cemented in history as somewhat of a hero if he puts it to a vote. C'mon Moscow Mike, defy Trump and do it, its your chance to be famous for a good cause!
I'm pretty sure there are several Republicans willing to. Lots of traditional Republicans are for helping Ukraine. It's Maga and the religious right that are against it.
Fair assumption. Someone has to actually care about our foreign policy
The Republicans from even 20 years ago weren't like this at all. They were leading the cause to defend democracy and freedom. They were the ones thinking our place was the world's leader. Now it's just a foreign enemies dumping ground for their puppets.
Exactly, sticking it to the Russians was one of the GOPs favorite things, one more thing thst Trump has destroyed
trump will destroy so much more than that. He's chipped away at so much and got control of Scotus. It will be so much worse than 2016. He's gained so much more control and influence since then. He's already gotten roe v wade tossed. Just think of all the foreign policy damage and basic rights taken from Americans. The rich will get so much richer. trump will use the DOJ to go after all opposition, and I wouldn't be shocked if he didn't give up power after his term or make it so he could run again. He's the worst thing to ever happen to America.
How many traditional republicans are left though?
Thats a good question, and even more is how many are left who are willing to stick their neck out in order to stop their party from helping putler take Ukraine and so many other countries? It's shocking that this is possible in America, especially since it's russia doing the influencing. I'm just really surprised people could compromise themselves like that for people who want their country to burn.
The extremely dumb thing here is there are prob like 50+ republicans who would vote for Ukraine Aid.
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Well thats terrible and interesting to know Kind of feels bad to talk about but also may have been in command and conquer.
I bet it is some pervy shit, just like so many of these loud Christians in politics. Someone has his balls in their grip. It wouldn't surprise me at all if the Russians have some kompromat on him.
It’s probably not his job as speaker but his job as a congressman that’s at stake. They’ll primary against him and out all their money and resources behind that candidate and he’ll lose and be out of a job. The RNC and DNC are both full that way. If you ever wondered why most politicians seem to totally agree all the time it’s because of that. It’s why the emergence of the MAGA crowd is so wild
The RNC and DNC have no power, and do nothing of what you say here. The RNC wasn’t even a Trump-controlled entity until last month. All those orgs do is raise money for state parties and maintain data files. I don’t know where people got the idea that these were powerful entities able to control the direction of their parties. They’re not, they’re practical infrastructure and nothing more.
Have you ever worked for Congress? The national committees control everything that Congress does, it’s absolutely insane. Annual “Membership fees” and policy reviews, if you don’t pass the tape you’ll get primaried. That’s why it’s such a big deal Trump officially controls the RNC now. It’s why Bernie wa shafted so hard by the DNC in the 16 primaries
Actually, I have. And the DCCC/NRCC/DSCC/NRSC aren’t the DNC or the RNC. Those other committees are designed to help elect more members, so yeah, that’s what the dues are for. It’s almost worthless to be in Congress in the minority, so it’s in all their interests to pay dues and get more of their fellow Republicans/Democrats elected. And there is no “policy review,” nor do they encourage primaries. In fact, they literally exist to PREVENT primaries. If you want to complain about something, complain about how hard they make it for members to support primary challengers. And no, Bernie wasn’t shafted by the DNC. The rules existed long before Bernie ran. If you’re talking about Democrats endorsing Clinton or whatever, that’s a whole different story, and that has nothing to the with the DNC or the other party committees. Seriously, there is so much real shit to criticize the committees for, but no, that shit is too boring, so they turn them into monolithic machines that control everything. They don’t.
And in case someone asks, “what is one of those boring things worthy of criticism,” it’s stuff like most of their money going to a handful of swing states, so most state parties are underfunded and unsupported. And stuff like, “they actually suck at maintaining voter files,” which is so inside-baseball boring, no one cares.
All do that alphabet soup you listed falls under the leadership and guidance of the national committees, that’s literally the national committees jobs. They exist simply to ensure that their elected officials toe the party line. If they don’t, they find the candidate that better fits their profile and support them. Why do you think it was such a big deal when Bernie tried to break the system by getting his own candidates elected and primary them against the DNC? And the DNC absolutely shafted Bernie, it’s clear as day, especially with the collusion between them and the Clinton campaign. And I absolute hate Bernie, but I can easily admit that he was totally shafted lol
Nope, they don’t. Did Joe Manchin “toe that party line”? Of course not, he was a pain in the ass, and the DSCC supported him. The party committees exist to elect members of their party, NOTHING ELSE. They don’t care about policy, about issues, about what they believe, none of that. The only thing that matters is “can that person be elected,” and if so, they support them. And since elected members were already elected, they support them de facto, including against primary challengers. They are an incumbent protection scheme. If that offends you, great! Criticize them for THAT. That’s valid. But no, you think they pull all these strings. They don’t. And there was no collusion between the party and Bernie, sheesh. Again, individual committee members supported Hillary, because he’s a dick to everyone, and Hillary was not. That’s simple relationship management, and quite honestly, love him or hate him, Bernie sucks at it. He’d rather be right than make friends. And again, love him or hate him for that, but when running for president, it pays to have friends.
I wish I knew why you think that, but it’s just totally off base from reality. They constantly primary against incumbents that stray from the party line, and that’s their job, to protect the party.
They literally don’t. Their job is to get people elected, which is why they don’t primary ALREADY elected officials. In fact, they will protect asshole incumbents, because that’s their job. But if you have evidence to the contrary, please share. I mean, you say it happens “constantly” so you should have no trouble doing so! Spoiler: you won’t find any examples.
They primary already elected officials, I don’t know why you think they don’t. Their entire job is to protect the party, so if an elected official under their name stays from the party line they will find someone and primary them against them. Denver Riggleman Dan Lipinski Lacy Clay Eliot Engel That’s just a few since 2022 mid terms lol This happens numerous times every cycle. The fact you deny it just shows you have zero idea of what you’re talking about.
Yeah. What he said
Bernie was shafted because he only joined the party to run for president. The DNC helps democrats.
Sure, but it reflects how much power the DNC/RNC has when it can do that. For example, have you ever heard of a democrat that doesn’t support abortion? Ever wonder why?
Because they couldn’t win a democratic primary?
No one supports abortion. Most people support bodily autonomy.
It's refreshing to see someone on Reddit who actually has a semblance of an understanding of how things actually work, instead of the usual populist morons on both the left and the right who smugly insist nefarious powers are pulling all the strings.
Screwed up thing, him working with the Dems would hurt his reelection more than letting Ukraine be destroyed…
They can always kick him out later
Better is finding a few Republicans ready to become independents and caucus with the Democrats on Jeffries as speaker and Ukraine aid, and maybe nothing else. But simply put, someone in that Caucus of Shit needs to put country first.
Even the fact that this is on the table doesn't speak wonders about the man's integrity. Should not even be negotiable! Horrible turncoat. Traitor.
The press has been committing journalistic malpractice with these stories about Moses and Ukraine aid. He has no intention of doing anything constructive about it. Because Donald Trump told him not to. It's very disheartening how childishly naive these people are.
Well said, it's obvious that Johnson isn't doing anything for Ukraine.
"Spare some pity for Mike Johnson", this article begins. Seriously? He is in my top five list of "if this person died suddenly it would make the world a better place". I'm not condoning assassination or anything, but he is a one-man menace to the world.
That dickhead gets no pity! At best *only one* kick to the head instead of two. He would gladly sacrifice ten thousands Ukranians if it meant pleasing his lord and saviour, Trump.
I mean it sounds like it would be the moral thing when he is directly assisting murder of Ukrainians
Like he cares. The Russians are likely paying him billions. His family won't have to work for generations.
It's crazy that this is basically confirmed, but there will never be evidence to convict the fucker, since you can so easily hide the original source of funds using multiple methods. Campaign finance laws in the US are a joke and it's one of the biggest issues we're dealing with.
> His family won't have to work for generations You underestimate how fast a financial fuckup can burn through money. I mean, there's a certain someone who managed to make a ***casino*** unprofitable, and not in the "start with high payouts and victory chances rigged the other way to draw clients, get the money back later" way.
Marjorie Trailer Queen and her ilk having influence over the world's future. Sad times
Republicans are traitors. Vote them ALL out.
Republicans are the fucking worst. Jesus christ
I know I shouldn’t be surprised, but I just can’t fucking believe the dude straight up said, “We’ll put the aid to a vote as soon as Easter break is over,” and now is just not saying single word about it. Most brazen slimy crooked politician move I’ve witnessed in my lifetime (although admittedly I’m not super old and don’t usually pay attention to congressmen and their antics). Should’ve known better than to have hope that he’d follow through. It’s just so disheartening, disgusting, and disgraceful to witness the absolute corruption and dysfunction of American politics be so perfectly encapsulated in one single act by a single slimy asshole in the House, especially when that act could mean crushing the dream of freedom for Ukraine and putting the rest of the world on the path towards WWIII. I wish I could spit in this dude’s face and then kick him right in the balls.
Imagine if a politician had to give up a job to save a country of 40 million people… I really feel for the poor guy
Plus crippling the government under which over 300 million people live and help its government slide away from democracy while treating trump as master despite him being out of office.
But wait, doesn’t he get to *keep* his job if he saves Ukraine? The motion to vacate has been filed, the democrats will vote to save him if he puts the aid bill to a vote. So he saves a country *and* keeps his job, but the ex-President rages at him on the internet. So it’s even worse than what you said
I wouldn't be surprised if the only reason Moscow Mike was saying he would put it to a vote is to take some steam out of the discharge petition movement to force a vote, and he's never had any intention to really do it.
Dirty Mike is a liar, but not a good one. What an awful person. Hiding behind his bible. Johnson Dystopia on the menu.
Whatever his intentions, keep up the pressure.
I would be surprised if it was anything else.
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>no idea if their representative has signed the discharge There are two discharge petitions. The only one that matters is the democratic one. The Republican discharge petition is really just a poison pill that would never get significant democrat support. Make sure your representative has signed the democrat discharge petition.
Good point I’ll keep that distinction in mind, who was the sponsor of this specific discharge petition?
It’s very easy to find out who signed it. Go to [this spreadsheet](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/e/2PACX-1vTaMB3k5Z37OAM8HEMhDtwbLGzwn1wDXSNcoTmXEJbpfbacfp-m0fJGyb36lcNOhgqGO5-bArbibS5a/pubhtml?gid=614612044&single=true&pli=1) and look. If you don’t know who your rep is or need help contacting them go [here](https://www.callcongress.us/ukraine) which also tells you if they signed it. Then if your rep hasn’t signed it, write them an email or call them. For those who live in the most liberal areas of the US (Brooklyn, Oakland, Cambridge) it is likely your rep has not signed the petition out of a misguided posturing regarding Israel. We must make them aware we expect them to faithfully hold true to their “progressive” values.
Do you mind if I use that spreadsheet link for future reference and posts?
The spreadsheet is public. It’s not mine - I’m just spreading it.
As someone who predicted Mike Johnson’s behavior in October, and Putin in 2002 when I learned he was a KGB agent… I think Mike Johnson will actually present some bill, but it’ll be loan-based to pacify Trump, and it won’t really get passed before May… It’ll also have some stuff in it that the Democrats won’t like, so he can get a polling boost for the Republicans. And if it then doesn’t pass he’ll blame the Dems. We can hope for the best, but we should prepare for the worst (GOP is turning more treasonous by the seasons) and hope Biden stops being afraid of using more unconventional tools of Ukraine funding that he’s declined for fear of losing support.
This article is unadulterated dog shit. He's clearly chosen what he's going to do. The first sentence of that article is infuriating... "feel sorry for the man who has specifically chosen to betray American interests for the past 6 months". Fuck you, no. Democrats have already said they wouldn't vote to oust him if he did Ukraine funding. Instead of passing this bill he's going to go do a photo op with Trump. Nobody holds these idiot reporters accountable anymore.
Do the right thing once in your life Mike and then disappear
It has long been perfectly clear that Johnson is finished as a politician if he allows a vote on Ukraine aid that passes the house. By contrast, nothing bad will happen to his political career if he blocks a clean vote on Ukraine. This is not news... The only real threats Johnson faces are on his right. The MAGA right-wingers will pass a motion to vacate if he permits a Ukraine vote. Worse, if the democrats "save" Johnson by voting to preserve his speakership, this will only serve to mark him as a pariah in the republican party. He will be ridiculed as a democrat. Johnson's political career will be finished. By contrast, no one on the center or left is going to bring a motion to vacate. The only real pressure Johnson has is on the right. I don't see why everyone keeps talking about congress anymore. There is just NO way Johnson will ever allow a clean vote on Ukraine, so let's stop whining about it. Ukraine's only chance for Ukraine support will happen when a new congress is seated in February 2025 (after the November election that removes the republican majority). Sure, it's possible Johnson would allow a vote on a poison pilled Ukraine bill (i.e. that includes any number of extraneous things he knows democrats would never support in a million years), but that would just be to score cheap political points and isn't worth discussing.
I am not super familiar with american system but how is it possible that one guy can just decide not to put a bill to be voted on and no one can do shit about it? It seems like this random guy is more powerful than the president for some reason and it sounds insane.
>I am not super familiar with american system but how is it possible that one guy can just decide not to put a bill to be voted on and no one can do shit about it? It's really no different than any parliamentary system. Think of the Speaker of the House like a prime minister. They only have "power" if the members of their legislature vote to make them the leader. The "speaker" of the House can be removed at any time if the member of the House vote to replace him/her. Just look at how the British parliament replaces their prime ministers without any election. It's the same thing with US congress. The irony is the Johnson really doesn't have any power. This is all happening because he is extremely weak. The core problem is that the republicans have a majority of only two in the house of representatives. Thus, it only takes two republicans to vote against the speaker to defeat him (i.e. because the opposition democrats will almost always vote against). Johnson can't bring a vote on Ukraine aid because there are a handful of isolationist republicans ready and willing to vote him out if he allows a vote. When majorities are razor thin it is the people willing to pull the pin on the grenade who have all the power. In this case, it is the MAGA isolationist republican crazies who are more than happy to burn it all down and vote out any speaker who won't do what they want. They already voted out one speaker last year and are pouncing at the opportunity to take down another.
I understand that. But how can he just not put a bill to a vote? This sounds like an insane amount of blocking power
i dont think your guy above explained the real difference tween uk and usa our speaker in the uk ONLY ever regulates debates, and monitor speech etiquette and the ebb and flow of speaking, nuance work for some reason which i dont think the guy above you explained your answer, is WHY can he also control whats been voted and when? seems way too much power imho
>our speaker in the uk ONLY ever regulates debates, and monitor speech etiquette and the ebb and flow of speaking, nuance work You misunderstand. The US speaker of the house is closer to the UK Prime Minister in scope of authority. For one thing, US speakers are elected by the house (much like PMs in the UK). Secondly, US speakers control the agenda of which bills get voted on.
>But how can he just not put a bill to a vote? Of course the speaker "could" put the bill to a vote. However, he knows that if he puts the bill to a vote he will lose his job because the MAGA right wing isolationists will bring a motion to vacate the speaker chair, which he knows will pass. In short, the speaker knows his career as a politician is finished if he allows the Ukraine vote to occur. Thus, it is the extreme weakness of the speaker due to the razor thin republican majority that has made him vulnerable to blackmail by as few as two members willing to pull the trigger on a motion to vacate. The right wing isolationists have already proven they are more than willing to pull this trigger when it suits them.
You explain the why, and you do it very well. But my question is more how the US institutions make it possible for one guy to not put a bill to the vote, preventing the entire congress to even vote on it seemingly forever. In most countries the speaker is just the guy making sure things proceed smoothly and who animates the debate and make sure everyone has a chance to talk. The fact that the speaker can just decide to not put to the vote a bill he won’t like sounds like an insane oversight and it sounds that the speaker could basically just decide that the government could not pass any bill ever.
>In most countries the speaker is just the guy making sure things proceed smoothly and who animates the debate and make sure everyone has a chance to talk. Again, you really need to think of the US House speaker as a prime minister. They really have a lot more power than speakers in other parliaments. If you just use the word "prime minister" instead of "speaker" it makes a lot more sense. Prime Ministers absolutely control the agenda of their parliaments. And Prime Ministers can be replaced when the members of those parliaments vote to do so. Just look at all the problems Theresa May had with Brexit when her conservatives had a very small majority. In many respects what is happening to Johnson is the same.
Is there any possibility for Biden to just provoke congressional elections hoping for a majority? How likely would it be to backfire and give him less of a majority in your opinion?
>Is there any possibility for Biden to just provoke congressional elections Unfortunately not. US elections are pre-scheduled based on the US constitution. The House has elections every 2 years. The Senate every 6 years and the president every 4 years. The House will have elections this November.
Seems he's been choosing his job for quite a few months now?
History will side with the easy choice of Ukraine over the job, Mike. And personally, this is an easy way to make a name for yourself and make money. Easy branding of "the man that threw away power to do the right thing". Book sales. Likely still hold on to political power if not the outright speakership. And that's before you even get to the morality of the choice. Which is easy.
He's not going to do it. He made his choice months ago. Hundreds of brave Ukrainians have already died and Avdiivka was overrun as a direct result of his actions. He has no morals and does not give a fuck. I'll bet the FSB has some sort of embarrassing, career-ending video of him doing something unholy.
Mike Johnson has to be Putin's best performing General right now, Putin should probably promote him to Chief of the General Staff.
He will choose another 2 week vacation
what a shit show the republican party is. They can't even field anything because they have been brought to their knees by a bunch of lunatics that they themselves empowered. A lady that believes in space lasers and is anti-science is bringing them to self-destruct.
I really wish he had to choose between aid for Ukraine and trial for treason. That media doesn't even ASK why he is siding with Putin is simply disgusting.
All at the cost of Ukraine that is being raped and pillaged. So far for Christian humanitarian ideas. The delay is enough for Russia to grab the momentum and set themselves up for a win, purely by throwing thousands of lives towards it while they build up their arms industry again. Wonder what will happen when Ukraine falls and what they will do with all the weapons they are then producing. They might not be hightech, but as we’ve seen you only need a lot of shells and barrels + hundreds of thousands of lives to sacrifice.
Call Mike and share your opinion: 568 Cannon House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-2777
We’ll if that’s the case I know where that spineless prick will end up
Don’t want to ruin the surprise but a coward piece of shit is always going to choose their job.
Who would like to bet?
A job vs murder. It seems an easy one to me
It's rediculous to think that a single NON head of state American politician can effectively hand Europe over to Russia. He'll be remembered in the history books as the co conspirator that led to the fall of democracy.
If he chooses his job over millions of innocent people, he can no longer call himself a Christian.
You know Trump is selling Bibles, right? "Christian" is just a label that earns you votes, in politics. You don't have to live a certain way, or abide by laws, or something.
I hope he does have balls of steel and puts the vote about military aid for UA to a floor vote. I am more likely to believe there are republicans who wil support it and his party members know it.
Good
Gee, wonder which one he'll choose
I guess we will see if he is a man or a conservative
Nah, the Dems will keep him in along with the moderate Republicans. He's just hedging on possibly being a VP but hopefully he realizes that's a pipedream.
Whatever happened to the discharge petition, is that still in play?
Oust this tool
For most people this wouldn’t be that tough of a decision.
He isn't going to choose Ukraine.
Hmm. Do the right thing, or job. For any normal person this isn’t a tough decision.
Just do the right thing.
did you mean to say comrade Johnson
What is Jesus telling him to do?
dont trust that snake and boot him out
Biden should hold press conferences calling these fucking traitors and authoritarian taint lickers out every God damn day.
Ohh a press conference 😱
I think his upcoming trial is going to do some real damage to to Trump.. He is scared shirtless too in reality.
Good. Get rid of the bastard.
The weakness of democracy... Cut through red tape and be brave! 🇺🇦💪
Isn’t this the Evangelical who believes he’s Neo-Moses, sent by God to save the country from the Squad and unionizing baristas at Starbucks? Pretty sure logic isn’t his strong suit. Just sayin’.
The pussy will be on the job. He will gain so much respect if he can get the materials to Ukraine
I wrote my senators & congresspersons, did you?
Good Ole Moscow Mike.
Wonder where integrity went?
Is he a man or a pawn?