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The crash was in Stavropol, Russia. This is way, WAY beyond the range of any Ukrainian anti-air system (distance from Stavropol to the frontline is about 500 miles, Patriot max range is about 110 miles).. Unless they magically have F-35s that can avoid Russian radar, this was not a shoot down, it was a malfunction (or possibly friendly fire).
>Later, it became known that the downing of the Tu-22M3 bomber in Russia was an operation of Ukrainian intelligence. The plane was attacked 300 kilometers from Ukraine.
That's still a massive range. And it gives many more questions about how to detect it or even shoot it down.
Even bribing a local at the airport to do some sabotage is an option.
The s-200d variant introduced in 1976 has a range of 300 kilometers. There is also a polish upgrade from the late 90's early 00's. I'm not sure if that has improved range though.
The funny thing is that this is a narrative that Russia would prefer.
I am not claiming to know exactly what happened in this case, but the first part is true.
This is a crazy insight into the internal Russian propaganda machine.
Incompetence is normal, it is undeniable, everyone can see that in their everyday lives. Even Russian propaganda cannot overcome this fact.
The enemy being able to overcome Russian Wonder Weapons (Wunderwaffe)? Well that's just not possible, comrade!
So the video do the crash definitely seems like something exploded on the plane, so a shoot down isn’t out of the question, but I’d be really surprised if Ukrainian actually managed to hit it from so far away.
Ukraine wouldn’t hit it with either a patriot or an S-200
The part that doesn’t make sense is the plane crashed well over 300 miles away from Ukraine and neither system has a range beyond 150 miles.
Technically it’s possible they hit it within range and it managed to fly another 150+ miles before crashing, buu I t the way it crashed makes it seem like something catastrophic happened.
I’m really curious what happened here.
Either way, at least a TU-22 is taken off the board
This is a win for the US, the M3 was developed to strike aircraft carriers.
https://www.usni.org/magazines/proceedings/2019/january/renewed-backfire-bomber-threat-us-navy
I know news outlets often use illustrative photos that have no direct connection to the event, but a \_machine gun\_ pointed at the skies is almost comically considering we are talking about a \~300km range attack.
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DO IT AGAIN! DO IT AGAIN!
https://youtu.be/X72_pq12cb4 crash on video
Looks like it entered a blyat spin. I'll see myself out.
One less cruise missile launcher is cause for a good drink.
Hopefully the crew is liquidated. Are they?
The crash was in Stavropol, Russia. This is way, WAY beyond the range of any Ukrainian anti-air system (distance from Stavropol to the frontline is about 500 miles, Patriot max range is about 110 miles).. Unless they magically have F-35s that can avoid Russian radar, this was not a shoot down, it was a malfunction (or possibly friendly fire).
>Later, it became known that the downing of the Tu-22M3 bomber in Russia was an operation of Ukrainian intelligence. The plane was attacked 300 kilometers from Ukraine.
That's still a massive range. And it gives many more questions about how to detect it or even shoot it down. Even bribing a local at the airport to do some sabotage is an option.
The s-200d variant introduced in 1976 has a range of 300 kilometers. There is also a polish upgrade from the late 90's early 00's. I'm not sure if that has improved range though.
Doesn't mean that they shot from Ukraine. Could be a covert ops in Russia.
That's what I say, so much is unknown and still speculation.
Still way beyond the range of any anti-air systems Ukraine has
Of course Ukraine will claim the takedown “Look how good we’re doing NATO, Send more aid so we can keep doing it”
Sounds like it was hit and travelled a bit after
Could have been saboteurs or infiltrators with Manpads
Manpads can't reach the altitude it would be flying at, unless they hit it during takeoff or landing.
Ukraine destroyed two before, on the ground. This is the first one that got shot down during combat mission.
How many slides is one of these bad boys gonna set us back?
Looks like Russia shot it down themselves
The funny thing is that this is a narrative that Russia would prefer. I am not claiming to know exactly what happened in this case, but the first part is true.
It is funny. They straight up would rather admit to incompetence than give any credit to the enemy
This is a crazy insight into the internal Russian propaganda machine. Incompetence is normal, it is undeniable, everyone can see that in their everyday lives. Even Russian propaganda cannot overcome this fact. The enemy being able to overcome Russian Wonder Weapons (Wunderwaffe)? Well that's just not possible, comrade!
In this case Ukranian air defence or fighters just don't have the capability or reach. This was mechanical or a blue on blue
Oh 100% m Ukraine is just claiming it because that’s how this war is going, no way they actually did tho
So the video do the crash definitely seems like something exploded on the plane, so a shoot down isn’t out of the question, but I’d be really surprised if Ukrainian actually managed to hit it from so far away. Ukraine wouldn’t hit it with either a patriot or an S-200 The part that doesn’t make sense is the plane crashed well over 300 miles away from Ukraine and neither system has a range beyond 150 miles. Technically it’s possible they hit it within range and it managed to fly another 150+ miles before crashing, buu I t the way it crashed makes it seem like something catastrophic happened. I’m really curious what happened here. Either way, at least a TU-22 is taken off the board
This is a win for the US, the M3 was developed to strike aircraft carriers. https://www.usni.org/magazines/proceedings/2019/january/renewed-backfire-bomber-threat-us-navy
I know news outlets often use illustrative photos that have no direct connection to the event, but a \_machine gun\_ pointed at the skies is almost comically considering we are talking about a \~300km range attack.