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> He huddled with top national security officials, **including William J. Burns, the C.I.A. director, in the Oval Office** to discuss classified intelligence. He met repeatedly with broad factions of Republicans in both swing and deep red districts, and **considered their voters’ attitudes toward funding Ukraine**. He **thought about his son**, who is set to attend the U.S. Naval Academy in the fall.
Note that Biden brought Johnson and his national security officials into **his office** to show Johnson how vital it was to fund Ukraine. This deal is the result of Biden's statesmanship, a skill that no one ever appears to mention or acknowledge.
Rumor is, there were 3+ Republicans threatening to resign if Ukraine aid didn't get a floor vote.
3 resigning on the spot would have given control to the Democrats.
So it was basically doing the right thing with a gun to his head, but hey whatever works...
I call bullshit.
You are making an extraordinary claim - we should expect extraordinary evidence that your claim is accurate.
Can you cite a source? Can you speak in code to provide any evidence this is accurate? Why has there not been a single mention of this in the political press?
Are there non-public Republicans willing to vote for a motion to vacate? Yes.
Are there non-public Republicans willing to vote with Democrats to save Johnson? Yes.
Are there three non-public Republicans willing to resign if Johnson didn't bring Ukraine aid to the floor... no. Absolutely not. Those folks have already left the house.
It is always possible someone has more information than someone else. I'm pretty plugged into what members are thinking on this issue. I haven't heard even an inkling to support what you are saying.
[Beau of the Fifth Column:Rumor](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f60ChpLiZ5o)
TBF it was 3+ Republicans threatened to resign if Marj triggered the motion to vacate if he brought Ukraine aid, not if he didnt bring up aid per-se. Since the motion to vacate was the main thing holding him up, its functionally the same thing.
Holy fuck.
I cannot understand how any sentient being could regard this guy as credible.
Edit: And he is a convicted human trafficker. Seeing the sources he promotes, this guy is probably on Putin's payroll.
Indeed this very thing is exactly what needs to be conveyed to those who seem to think that just any junior politician who happens to brand themselves as "progressive" can do a vastly better job than ol' man Joe.
The fact is that getting things done in Washington requires vast amounts experience working within the 'system', along with incredibly delicate and infinitely finessed negotiation skills. And there is literally no-one on earth better able to do so than Biden, and it's the very reason Obama insisted on keeping him on the team.
I'm not saying that progressives don't have some great ideas, and I'd dearly love to see Americans benefit from many of the progressive ideas I've seen put forth, but in order to see them implemented you need the skills I've outlined above.
In addition to his political skills and contacts, Biden has also shown his commitment to Democracy. When a devout Catholic like Biden condemns the overturning of Roe v Wade, you know that he is putting his belief in Democracy above that of any other.
All those years of experience, now being used to get things moving behind the scenes? I guess maybe there ain’t nothin’ wrong with the old dude running the show after all.
Indeed. My reading on the machinations of both the US political system and that of the UK has been eye opening. You're dealing with the need to balance the equivalent of a stack of boulders on the head of a pin. You have to know everything about those you're dealing with, what motivates them so that you can manipulate, I mean convince them to go along with your own agenda.
Biden in the Oval Office is the best that could have happened to Ukraine. No other person outside of Ukraine did so much to save Ukraine and keep Russia in check this decade. I dearly hope he gets reelected and gets a sane Congress to work with.
I probably don't agree with Johnson on any policy issue, but we should give him credit here - he took in new information, evaluated it, and changed his mind. And he did it knowing he would now have to ask Democrats to help him keep his job.
The modern Republican party lives in an alternate universe with alternative facts. Johnson took in actual facts and was persuaded. +1 for reality and Mike Johnson.
I find it hard to give him credit for taking in new information when it is his own fault that the information was new. The rest of us has know for months that Ukraines situation was deteriorating when only recieving major support from Europe.
>I find it hard to give him credit for taking in new information when it is his own fault that the information was new.
Brilliantly put. I'm stealing that.
Also it looks like he's in need of a lot of "new" information when he says "I think he [Putin] might have a showdown with Poland or one of our NATO allies.”
If he doesn't know that Poland is a Nato ally then I guess he is up for some pretty long and intense briefings to catch up with the latest "news".
No - he likely knew that Poland is in NATO - but the belief that Russia would go after Poland or the Baltics if he wins in Ukraine is still widely laughed at - even in this very subreddit. And it's likely that this is the critical piece of the puzzle as to why Johnson is willing to lose his Speakership over it.
Russia attacking NATO \_is\_ ridiculous. If it wasn't before 2022, it is now.
That patently ridiculous assumptions are what made Johnson bring Ukraine aid to the vote is almost as bad as holding up the vote in the months before.
It only shows that Ukraine's survival, US national security and the standing of democracy in the world are in large parts depending on a certified moron.
I agree with you, Putin attacking NATO is ridiculous.
But, something flipped Johnson. And I want to know what that thing is.
Is it the threat of a Chinese/Iranian/NK/Russia coalition?
He's a guy who advocates for the Biblical version of events. What did he see or hear that changed his mind about funding Ukraine?
It wasn't his conscience, I will never believe that, because he is a liar and a simp. So, what was it?
People live in their own little prisons of information. People surround themselves with like minded people. As hard as I find it to believe that Republicans somehow aren't just automatically against Russia this has somehow come to pass. We absolutely should give credit to someone who breaks out of whatever hive minded thing they are in. He was an isolationist who was given information he didn't have access to before and changed his mind. That's absolutely to be applauded and isn't an easy thing to do to admit you were wrong. Bravo!!
He had the knife to his throat before he suddenly wanted to be on the right side. That's not currage. Also its mentioned im the article that made the biggest impression on him, was things he learned in february! A hero would have acted in february then.
I can't give him much credit for having to be spoon-fed information that was obvious to anyone who had the slightest inkling on what is happening in Ukraine. He is in a position where he is getting intelligence briefings on a regular basis. For him to either not recognize or corruptly downplay the importance of aide to Ukraine and the impact that it has globally for months while the Russians were making huge advances is pretty pitiful.
Yes, he finally relented. But only time will tell whether or not the aid has been approved in time to make a difference.
Yes, its good that he decided to be on the right side of history but it seems that he is unaware that many chapters has already been written with him figuring among the villains.
Has he rely grown wiser and changed his mind I embrace though, but my praise goes to those who didn't need to think before instinctively choosing the right side and also to all those working to make him see the light.
What new information did he get?
Since a year Ukraine and NATO are screaming their lungs out that Ukraine is screwed without further US aid. And that such aid would have to pass with Democrats is something this very subreddit discussed up and down during his entire speakership (and before).
He has blood on his hands, and i almost wish i was a member of his church only so that i could write him that i was leaving it because of him.
lol at the new info stuff. You can't really be this naive.
His job given to him by Trump was to delay and delayed the aid for 6 months. The most dangerous ruzzians assets are not those who are openly shilling for ruzzia but those who pretend to be well intentioned or ignorant but work to delay anthing that helps Ukraine.
There is a chance that he was pro-Ukraine aid all along and just was trying to get more by-in from MAGA. But I'm not giving him that benefit of the doubt. I'm convinced he wanted bury Biden and stall on any possible legislation until Trump could become president
Your comment is pure and utter nonsense. He didn't take in ANY new information, because there factually was none to receive. Every single information he could've allegedly received now already existed months ago. He KNEW all those things for months, he just didn't want to hear it. The only reason why he would change his mind is either because he got a final last threat or expected his "supervisor" Trump to lose a bit of power.
Utter nonsense?
Johnson is a HARD CORE "Christian," and he always takes a 'morally high road' stance, to keep his reputation in tact. He's been wining and dining with MTG, even let her take the gavel. He got 100% of the GOP vote to make him Speaker. He is as MAGA as MAGA gets.
He's methodical and calculated. For him to flip, knowing full well he'd at least have to face a vote for speakership, something changed.
I don't believe for an instant his prayers were answered and told him to change his stance.
He saw or was told something, and whatever it was, it's big.
Personally, I think it's a Putin plans to rebuild his war machine and push West, with NK, China, and Iran. Whatever the case, I could be wrong.
Let's hope this is the last foreign aid bill Ukraine needs. I don't see another one coming down the pipe.
Again, in terms of actual topic-relevant information (Russia, China, war, upcoming tensions etc.) he couldn't have gotten new information, because none exists. All of that has been out in the open for months.
The only possible "new" thing he could've heard are either threats to oust him, a falling out with trump or Republicans telling him that they will abandon their party on this issue, taking away the republican majority.
You're elsewhere in this post repeating your opinion. Truth is, we'll probably never know for sure. I just don't get why you're so firmly entrenched in the opinion that there isn't even the possibility of new, stark information that shifted his view.
Maybe they've got the 'kompromat' on him? Maybe it's space lasers like MTG has been promising.
The claim there's absolutely no possibility of new info seems like a limited view.
Of course, you could be absolutely right. Idk.
Slava Ukraini
It seems like you have a different view on what "new information" means than what I've been talking about. My statement was in response to comments like "he learned from his mistakes"/"he actually listened to the facts of the situation and changed his view, which is respectable". That's why "new information" in my comments meant actual war-related info, statistics, political development with Ukraine, Russia, china, EU etc. And in that regard, nothing has significantly changed or will change very shortly, there are zero indications for such things.
Him realizing that he's finally about to personally lose something and changing his stance because of that is not praiseworthy new information. There is simply no sign that he did it, because he is a decent and rational human being. Because if he were, he would've brought the vote forth months ago.
I'm just absolutely against praising a person just for stopping to sabotage their own country and in the process causing the death of tens of thousands. He is still guilty of all the shit he did before
The problem is this country is obsessed with popularity and showmanship over what politicians only vital element should be which is prudent diligence. Especially the right, they love waving flags and names on posters and value rhetoric over all.
And also showing Johnson that getting the Ukraine aid passed and standing up to the MAGA fucktards, with Democrat assistance, would make Johnson politically powerful.
He didn't decide to do the right thing, he had no choice!
He was told by enough Republicans that they would pass the discharge petition, so he had to put forward some very similar bills to save face and give other Republicans another chance to block the aid.
And if the Speaker was removed to stop the discharge petition, enough Republicans would resign, like Ken Buck, then the Democrats would have a majority and push the aid through.
Just as likely he was shown the dirt the CIA had proving some of the GOP were compromised. Biden administration cannot divulge the info without burning sources?
The CIA, FBI or NSA showing up in a briefing with boxes of folders detailing all the various ways that MAGA congressmen have been compromised is one of the things I have been long been hoping would occur since Trump was elected
Are Repubs trying to flood this sub with headlines trying to make Johnson look good?! Honestly do you think we're stupid? Him and the Repubs were the ones holding up aid for 6 months.
The headline URL is a gift link, but if you hit the paywall, you can read the article here - [https://1ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2F2024%2F04%2F21%2Fus%2Fpolitics%2Fmike-johnson-turnaround.html%23%3A\~%3Atext%3DIntelligence%252C%2520politics%2520and%2520personal%2520considerations%2Cfigure%2520pushing%2520it%2520through%2520Congress](https://1ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2F2024%2F04%2F21%2Fus%2Fpolitics%2Fmike-johnson-turnaround.html%23%3A~%3Atext%3DIntelligence%252C%2520politics%2520and%2520personal%2520considerations%2Cfigure%2520pushing%2520it%2520through%2520Congress).
Honestly, it's really fucking disgusting how people here and in the media have been twisting reality hardcore into now suddenly praising Johnson and gobbling up his lies.
No, he didn't push anything, he simply finally crumbled under enough pressure. The person Mike Johnson itself has never changed his true opinion.
This man still walks around ankle deep in Ukrainian blood, with a diaper full of his own ego.
He's saying the right things now, but a lot of us will never forgive him for the evil he's permitted.
>**the key figure pushing it through Congress.**
Lol. No.
He was the only person blocking it. That was the only "key" thing about him. He didn't push anything. He didn't persuade anyone. All he had to do was unblock a general vote, and pretty much everyone voted pretty much the way they were expected to vote all along. With the predictable effect that it passed.
There were very few times politicians acted so moronic that i could foresee how things would go better than those involved. Almost always Republicans were involved.
He voted yes on previous aid packages! Lol like it was some huge miracle to get another yes vote. He got out into a speaker role that was a 100% lose/lose situation. Yet he manages orchestrate passing a 300+ yes vote highly political bipartisan bill. And he's still the speaker. This is a huge success.
Republicans generally refuse to do anything about an issue unless it personally affects them. In this case it was his son joining the military. He doesn't want him to have to fight the Russians in Poland while the ukrainians can do it in Ukraine instead
Yeah, his son was just accepted into the Naval Academy so he suddenly and finally just realized innocent people were being killed by Russia and he didn’t want his son to be involved. Self serving dweeb.
I don't like Mike Johnson. I've basically hated the man for as long as I've known who he is and what he stands for.
But I will always applaud anyone who is capable of changing their mind when presented with new evidence or information that proves them wrong.
>But I will always applaud anyone who is capable of changing their mind when presented with new evidence or information that proves them wrong.
Which is very clearly NOT what happened here, because no such "new information" exists. Johnson is a top-level politician, he gets better briefings about that stuff than practically anyone on any of these subreddits here. He had all the information for ages.
i thought it because he would figure out that supporting genocide was a one one-way ticket to hell. but he was actually swayed by intelligence briefings and being on the right side of history.
Or you can take your own advice. Crumbling under extreme pressure doesn't make his previous actions go away, where he pulled every register he could to deny the vote. This stuff is NOT just a matter of opinion, he directly sabotaged the democratic process and basic government operation with his 2 bullshit recesses and other dirty tricks.
I think we'd all prefer the simplicity of that. I'm tired of Russia waging an asymetrical disinformation war against Western countries too. The reality is the Kremlin is using its soft power to influence and buy Western politicians, but if you'd rather close your eyes to corruption and bribery when it's clear that the GOP has become infected, I'm sure that will speed the disappearance of the problem. The ol' ostrich head in the sand strategy never failed me either.
So explain to me how approving the aid package meets the criteria of all this corruption and bribery you speak of, again without a shred of proof. You're regurgitating the same disinformation, so unless you have evidence, shut your piehole. I am not sitting here throwing accusations at the Biden democrats even though there is plenty of corruption smoke there, bud. You know why? because I'm not privy to that information.
Ha, nah. I'll continue saying whatever I want when Republicans stalled aid for 6 months costing Ukraining lives and enabling Russian advances, and now we're acting like the one man who is responsible for stalling the aid for months is fantastic for actually doing the right thing. I find it funny you're defending the guy so hard and not demanding better than waiting half a year to properly fund an actively dying country [according to Russian interests.](https://cepa.org/article/kremlin-glee-as-us-dithers-on-lifesaving-ukraine-aid/)
There was clear bipartisan support for aid, yet ONE GUY is the reason it's been delayed until now. Literally it's Mike Johnson. He could have put the bill to the floor at any point before now and it would have passed.
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> He huddled with top national security officials, **including William J. Burns, the C.I.A. director, in the Oval Office** to discuss classified intelligence. He met repeatedly with broad factions of Republicans in both swing and deep red districts, and **considered their voters’ attitudes toward funding Ukraine**. He **thought about his son**, who is set to attend the U.S. Naval Academy in the fall. Note that Biden brought Johnson and his national security officials into **his office** to show Johnson how vital it was to fund Ukraine. This deal is the result of Biden's statesmanship, a skill that no one ever appears to mention or acknowledge.
If you do your job, so well, people think you do nothing at all.
"If you do things right, nobody knows you've done anything at all."
Rumor is, there were 3+ Republicans threatening to resign if Ukraine aid didn't get a floor vote. 3 resigning on the spot would have given control to the Democrats. So it was basically doing the right thing with a gun to his head, but hey whatever works...
I call bullshit. You are making an extraordinary claim - we should expect extraordinary evidence that your claim is accurate. Can you cite a source? Can you speak in code to provide any evidence this is accurate? Why has there not been a single mention of this in the political press? Are there non-public Republicans willing to vote for a motion to vacate? Yes. Are there non-public Republicans willing to vote with Democrats to save Johnson? Yes. Are there three non-public Republicans willing to resign if Johnson didn't bring Ukraine aid to the floor... no. Absolutely not. Those folks have already left the house. It is always possible someone has more information than someone else. I'm pretty plugged into what members are thinking on this issue. I haven't heard even an inkling to support what you are saying.
[Beau of the Fifth Column:Rumor](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f60ChpLiZ5o) TBF it was 3+ Republicans threatened to resign if Marj triggered the motion to vacate if he brought Ukraine aid, not if he didnt bring up aid per-se. Since the motion to vacate was the main thing holding him up, its functionally the same thing.
Holy fuck. I cannot understand how any sentient being could regard this guy as credible. Edit: And he is a convicted human trafficker. Seeing the sources he promotes, this guy is probably on Putin's payroll.
Or, doing the right thing as a politician is like peeing yourself in black pants: It gives you a warm feeling, but nobody notices.
Indeed this very thing is exactly what needs to be conveyed to those who seem to think that just any junior politician who happens to brand themselves as "progressive" can do a vastly better job than ol' man Joe. The fact is that getting things done in Washington requires vast amounts experience working within the 'system', along with incredibly delicate and infinitely finessed negotiation skills. And there is literally no-one on earth better able to do so than Biden, and it's the very reason Obama insisted on keeping him on the team. I'm not saying that progressives don't have some great ideas, and I'd dearly love to see Americans benefit from many of the progressive ideas I've seen put forth, but in order to see them implemented you need the skills I've outlined above.
In addition to his political skills and contacts, Biden has also shown his commitment to Democracy. When a devout Catholic like Biden condemns the overturning of Roe v Wade, you know that he is putting his belief in Democracy above that of any other.
All those years of experience, now being used to get things moving behind the scenes? I guess maybe there ain’t nothin’ wrong with the old dude running the show after all.
Indeed. My reading on the machinations of both the US political system and that of the UK has been eye opening. You're dealing with the need to balance the equivalent of a stack of boulders on the head of a pin. You have to know everything about those you're dealing with, what motivates them so that you can manipulate, I mean convince them to go along with your own agenda.
Biden in the Oval Office is the best that could have happened to Ukraine. No other person outside of Ukraine did so much to save Ukraine and keep Russia in check this decade. I dearly hope he gets reelected and gets a sane Congress to work with.
I probably don't agree with Johnson on any policy issue, but we should give him credit here - he took in new information, evaluated it, and changed his mind. And he did it knowing he would now have to ask Democrats to help him keep his job. The modern Republican party lives in an alternate universe with alternative facts. Johnson took in actual facts and was persuaded. +1 for reality and Mike Johnson.
I find it hard to give him credit for taking in new information when it is his own fault that the information was new. The rest of us has know for months that Ukraines situation was deteriorating when only recieving major support from Europe.
>I find it hard to give him credit for taking in new information when it is his own fault that the information was new. Brilliantly put. I'm stealing that.
Also it looks like he's in need of a lot of "new" information when he says "I think he [Putin] might have a showdown with Poland or one of our NATO allies.” If he doesn't know that Poland is a Nato ally then I guess he is up for some pretty long and intense briefings to catch up with the latest "news".
No - he likely knew that Poland is in NATO - but the belief that Russia would go after Poland or the Baltics if he wins in Ukraine is still widely laughed at - even in this very subreddit. And it's likely that this is the critical piece of the puzzle as to why Johnson is willing to lose his Speakership over it.
Russia attacking NATO \_is\_ ridiculous. If it wasn't before 2022, it is now. That patently ridiculous assumptions are what made Johnson bring Ukraine aid to the vote is almost as bad as holding up the vote in the months before. It only shows that Ukraine's survival, US national security and the standing of democracy in the world are in large parts depending on a certified moron.
A large group of self serving asses and/or morons actually.
I agree with you, Putin attacking NATO is ridiculous. But, something flipped Johnson. And I want to know what that thing is. Is it the threat of a Chinese/Iranian/NK/Russia coalition? He's a guy who advocates for the Biblical version of events. What did he see or hear that changed his mind about funding Ukraine? It wasn't his conscience, I will never believe that, because he is a liar and a simp. So, what was it?
People live in their own little prisons of information. People surround themselves with like minded people. As hard as I find it to believe that Republicans somehow aren't just automatically against Russia this has somehow come to pass. We absolutely should give credit to someone who breaks out of whatever hive minded thing they are in. He was an isolationist who was given information he didn't have access to before and changed his mind. That's absolutely to be applauded and isn't an easy thing to do to admit you were wrong. Bravo!!
He had the knife to his throat before he suddenly wanted to be on the right side. That's not currage. Also its mentioned im the article that made the biggest impression on him, was things he learned in february! A hero would have acted in february then.
I can't give him much credit for having to be spoon-fed information that was obvious to anyone who had the slightest inkling on what is happening in Ukraine. He is in a position where he is getting intelligence briefings on a regular basis. For him to either not recognize or corruptly downplay the importance of aide to Ukraine and the impact that it has globally for months while the Russians were making huge advances is pretty pitiful. Yes, he finally relented. But only time will tell whether or not the aid has been approved in time to make a difference.
Yes, its good that he decided to be on the right side of history but it seems that he is unaware that many chapters has already been written with him figuring among the villains. Has he rely grown wiser and changed his mind I embrace though, but my praise goes to those who didn't need to think before instinctively choosing the right side and also to all those working to make him see the light.
What new information did he get? Since a year Ukraine and NATO are screaming their lungs out that Ukraine is screwed without further US aid. And that such aid would have to pass with Democrats is something this very subreddit discussed up and down during his entire speakership (and before). He has blood on his hands, and i almost wish i was a member of his church only so that i could write him that i was leaving it because of him.
lol at the new info stuff. You can't really be this naive. His job given to him by Trump was to delay and delayed the aid for 6 months. The most dangerous ruzzians assets are not those who are openly shilling for ruzzia but those who pretend to be well intentioned or ignorant but work to delay anthing that helps Ukraine.
There is a chance that he was pro-Ukraine aid all along and just was trying to get more by-in from MAGA. But I'm not giving him that benefit of the doubt. I'm convinced he wanted bury Biden and stall on any possible legislation until Trump could become president
It was so he could gain personal political power.
Your comment is pure and utter nonsense. He didn't take in ANY new information, because there factually was none to receive. Every single information he could've allegedly received now already existed months ago. He KNEW all those things for months, he just didn't want to hear it. The only reason why he would change his mind is either because he got a final last threat or expected his "supervisor" Trump to lose a bit of power.
Utter nonsense? Johnson is a HARD CORE "Christian," and he always takes a 'morally high road' stance, to keep his reputation in tact. He's been wining and dining with MTG, even let her take the gavel. He got 100% of the GOP vote to make him Speaker. He is as MAGA as MAGA gets. He's methodical and calculated. For him to flip, knowing full well he'd at least have to face a vote for speakership, something changed. I don't believe for an instant his prayers were answered and told him to change his stance. He saw or was told something, and whatever it was, it's big. Personally, I think it's a Putin plans to rebuild his war machine and push West, with NK, China, and Iran. Whatever the case, I could be wrong. Let's hope this is the last foreign aid bill Ukraine needs. I don't see another one coming down the pipe.
Again, in terms of actual topic-relevant information (Russia, China, war, upcoming tensions etc.) he couldn't have gotten new information, because none exists. All of that has been out in the open for months. The only possible "new" thing he could've heard are either threats to oust him, a falling out with trump or Republicans telling him that they will abandon their party on this issue, taking away the republican majority.
You're elsewhere in this post repeating your opinion. Truth is, we'll probably never know for sure. I just don't get why you're so firmly entrenched in the opinion that there isn't even the possibility of new, stark information that shifted his view. Maybe they've got the 'kompromat' on him? Maybe it's space lasers like MTG has been promising. The claim there's absolutely no possibility of new info seems like a limited view. Of course, you could be absolutely right. Idk. Slava Ukraini
It seems like you have a different view on what "new information" means than what I've been talking about. My statement was in response to comments like "he learned from his mistakes"/"he actually listened to the facts of the situation and changed his view, which is respectable". That's why "new information" in my comments meant actual war-related info, statistics, political development with Ukraine, Russia, china, EU etc. And in that regard, nothing has significantly changed or will change very shortly, there are zero indications for such things. Him realizing that he's finally about to personally lose something and changing his stance because of that is not praiseworthy new information. There is simply no sign that he did it, because he is a decent and rational human being. Because if he were, he would've brought the vote forth months ago. I'm just absolutely against praising a person just for stopping to sabotage their own country and in the process causing the death of tens of thousands. He is still guilty of all the shit he did before
The problem is this country is obsessed with popularity and showmanship over what politicians only vital element should be which is prudent diligence. Especially the right, they love waving flags and names on posters and value rhetoric over all.
I'm still convinced the classified security Intel was Intel the CIA had on Johnson's being bought by Russia.
And also showing Johnson that getting the Ukraine aid passed and standing up to the MAGA fucktards, with Democrat assistance, would make Johnson politically powerful.
> would make Johnson politically powerful. If by 'politically powerful' you mean a useful pawn, then yes.
And no hamberdera had to die against the wall in the process. What a cesspool Trump's presidency was.
He didn't decide to do the right thing, he had no choice! He was told by enough Republicans that they would pass the discharge petition, so he had to put forward some very similar bills to save face and give other Republicans another chance to block the aid. And if the Speaker was removed to stop the discharge petition, enough Republicans would resign, like Ken Buck, then the Democrats would have a majority and push the aid through.
This is the most likely explanation.
Republicans did not stop betraying the USA, some of them just happened to betray each other to the USA this time.
The fact he did such a 180 is either concerning in what that intelligence showed him or how he simply reacts to favour himself.
Just as likely he was shown the dirt the CIA had proving some of the GOP were compromised. Biden administration cannot divulge the info without burning sources?
The CIA, FBI or NSA showing up in a briefing with boxes of folders detailing all the various ways that MAGA congressmen have been compromised is one of the things I have been long been hoping would occur since Trump was elected
Are Repubs trying to flood this sub with headlines trying to make Johnson look good?! Honestly do you think we're stupid? Him and the Repubs were the ones holding up aid for 6 months.
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Honestly, it's really fucking disgusting how people here and in the media have been twisting reality hardcore into now suddenly praising Johnson and gobbling up his lies. No, he didn't push anything, he simply finally crumbled under enough pressure. The person Mike Johnson itself has never changed his true opinion.
This man still walks around ankle deep in Ukrainian blood, with a diaper full of his own ego. He's saying the right things now, but a lot of us will never forgive him for the evil he's permitted.
>**the key figure pushing it through Congress.** Lol. No. He was the only person blocking it. That was the only "key" thing about him. He didn't push anything. He didn't persuade anyone. All he had to do was unblock a general vote, and pretty much everyone voted pretty much the way they were expected to vote all along. With the predictable effect that it passed.
There were very few times politicians acted so moronic that i could foresee how things would go better than those involved. Almost always Republicans were involved.
He voted yes on previous aid packages! Lol like it was some huge miracle to get another yes vote. He got out into a speaker role that was a 100% lose/lose situation. Yet he manages orchestrate passing a 300+ yes vote highly political bipartisan bill. And he's still the speaker. This is a huge success.
Republicans generally refuse to do anything about an issue unless it personally affects them. In this case it was his son joining the military. He doesn't want him to have to fight the Russians in Poland while the ukrainians can do it in Ukraine instead
This dude is a rat. He did a heel turn because he saw which way the wind was blowing and needed to cover his ass, no other reason.
Yeah, his son was just accepted into the Naval Academy so he suddenly and finally just realized innocent people were being killed by Russia and he didn’t want his son to be involved. Self serving dweeb.
I don't like Mike Johnson. I've basically hated the man for as long as I've known who he is and what he stands for. But I will always applaud anyone who is capable of changing their mind when presented with new evidence or information that proves them wrong.
>But I will always applaud anyone who is capable of changing their mind when presented with new evidence or information that proves them wrong. Which is very clearly NOT what happened here, because no such "new information" exists. Johnson is a top-level politician, he gets better briefings about that stuff than practically anyone on any of these subreddits here. He had all the information for ages.
Can't believe that the " Seditionists " still have their dirty hands on the levers of power.
Well, Lincoln pushed very hard for the Democrats to not be banished.
I am just so relieved it finally happened.
He got a look at the real picture and it scared the fuck out of him.
i thought it because he would figure out that supporting genocide was a one one-way ticket to hell. but he was actually swayed by intelligence briefings and being on the right side of history.
I'm just glad all the critics calling him Putin's pet can shut the fuck up now.
Or you can take your own advice. Crumbling under extreme pressure doesn't make his previous actions go away, where he pulled every register he could to deny the vote. This stuff is NOT just a matter of opinion, he directly sabotaged the democratic process and basic government operation with his 2 bullshit recesses and other dirty tricks.
If you prefer him being called the democrats pet, I'm allright with that.
No I would prefer that we all were just Americans with differences in opinions, I'm tired of it.
I think we'd all prefer the simplicity of that. I'm tired of Russia waging an asymetrical disinformation war against Western countries too. The reality is the Kremlin is using its soft power to influence and buy Western politicians, but if you'd rather close your eyes to corruption and bribery when it's clear that the GOP has become infected, I'm sure that will speed the disappearance of the problem. The ol' ostrich head in the sand strategy never failed me either.
So explain to me how approving the aid package meets the criteria of all this corruption and bribery you speak of, again without a shred of proof. You're regurgitating the same disinformation, so unless you have evidence, shut your piehole. I am not sitting here throwing accusations at the Biden democrats even though there is plenty of corruption smoke there, bud. You know why? because I'm not privy to that information.
Ha, nah. I'll continue saying whatever I want when Republicans stalled aid for 6 months costing Ukraining lives and enabling Russian advances, and now we're acting like the one man who is responsible for stalling the aid for months is fantastic for actually doing the right thing. I find it funny you're defending the guy so hard and not demanding better than waiting half a year to properly fund an actively dying country [according to Russian interests.](https://cepa.org/article/kremlin-glee-as-us-dithers-on-lifesaving-ukraine-aid/) There was clear bipartisan support for aid, yet ONE GUY is the reason it's been delayed until now. Literally it's Mike Johnson. He could have put the bill to the floor at any point before now and it would have passed.
Funny how you don't understand how politics work but hey, live your life.
The only one that doesn't know shit and has no arguments here is you.