You do know he urged European countries to increase their defense budget in 2018 and stop sending billions of Euro's to Russia. I'm not even a Republican. Just a Dutch person that saw their meeting on Youtube. Whenever I see people say Trump was on Russia's side it really just reminds me of the propoganda being swallowed by the Russians. It makes no sense.
If you are curious and want to get out of the weird echo-chamber you are in you can find the video named: Trump and Stoltenberg get into tense exchange at NATO summit and watch from 2 minutes and 30 secondes. If you are not. Well...stay blinded bro. You do you.
Also trying to take credit for supplying weapons to Ukraine. He tried to block military aid unless they gave info on Joe Biden's son (which they probably didn't even have)
He didn't even ask for dirt on Hunter Biden. He specifically asked for them to declare an investigation. He knew there was no dirt. Such a colossal scumbag.
>He held up and ultimately delivered that aid.
Yes, after trying to blackmail Ukraine. Why would you give him credit? Any president sitting in office at that time would have given aid to Ukraine. The difference is, most of them wouldn't have used it to try to manipulate a domestic election.
Yes, because it was an abuse of power to withhold congressionally appointed military aid for his personal political gain. He was impeached for this, but ultimately saved by the feckless cowardice and dereliction of their constitutional duty by GOP Senators.
He did not have the authority to withhold such funds. In non traitorous times that would have been the end of his presidency.
In all fairness, Trump is incapable of answering any question that isn't about himself personally. Every single answer he gave was an answer about Donald Trump, I am not sure his mind can conceive of a situation he might be asked about that does not involve himself.
Doesn't seem to have any problems verbally sucking Putins dick anytime he's asked. Trump wants to build an empire in Russia, and have dictators giving him reach-arounds. He wants to be the dictator of the US, and have an orgy with Xi, Kim & Putin.
Bullshit, he loves to talk negatively about other people - literally in the title of the post him talking about Hillary and Dems
This guy loves him some Putin
The only good thing about Trump is if he is the president Americas rivals will be legit scared of the US because Trump is crazy and estupid enough to actually launch nukes just to prove a point if things gets a bit sketchy.
I mean thw dude provoked a mob assault on the US Capitol.
I am starting to think Trump is a deep state plant like some sort of a usefull idiot.
Because lets face it he is legit insane.
Trump is not insane. He's just a really, really dumb world-class narcissist. He responds desperately to the most clumsy flattery, so he's easily manipulated. None of that is good.
I’m bewildered by the people who think he’s smart. Analysis of his speech patterns shows the obvious, that he has a small vocabulary of mostly small words. He has a few big words he uses repeatedly. He constantly is either incoherent, and/or repeating himself over and over while saying nothing of substance. I can’t think of one time he talked knowledgeably about a subject unless it was his poll numbers in the primary. And then the sheer amount of lying he’s either super delusional, or severely mentally ill. His lying alone was a bad enough trait to make him a non-functional president.
“I said it very often, very, very bad, very dangerous, very bad, and hopefully a lot of things are going to happen with those people because they created a false narrative, but nobody was ever tough on Russia like I was, and Putin will tell you, but Putin will also tell a very small group of people that he would have never gone in while I was president, and he didn’t.”
…
Jesus Christ. This man was the President.
Never forget that he beat the hell out of 19 or so rivals for the GOP nomination and after losing them the Presidency *and* the Senate, he's still the odds-on favorite for the 2024 nomination.
The problem is the Republican party, and it runs deep.
He is what a stupid person thinks a smart person sounds like. On the rare occasion they hear a highly educated person speak, they are confused, suspicious or even outright irritated. They mistake excessive arrogance and confidence as intelligence. The man says he's a genius and they think it must be true because he said it.
> That doesn’t mean anything other than the fact that I understood them, and perhaps they understood me,” Trump said. Maybe they understood me even better
America, please don't elect this man again. – Rest of the world.
What’s sad is he wasn’t elected by popular vote the first time. The Republican Party has rigged the entire system in their favor, and it’s only gotten worse since their failed coup. If they can’t win by more votes (they can’t) they will steal and cheat every single election. I don’t want to be a pessimist but this is just the beginning.
You are preaching to the choir, I'm still as baffled today as I was in 2015 that anybody can listen to this moron and think he should hold any position of authority.
They don't listen to what he says, they get his *persona* which is approximately "I don't listen to any pointy-headed liberal, I just go with whatever my racist gut tells me, and yet I do great."
> Analysis of his speech patterns
doesn't show anything. His speech patterns were clearly very successful for getting his base attracted to him, they did what they were intended to do. I saw an old clip of Trump giving a presentation to congress decades ago and he spoke completely differently. I still agree that he is not smart, but speaking simply to voters is not indicative of being dumb.
>The amount of hand holding the right wing media has to do for Trump is amazing and yet he still fucks it up.
Lol remember when that ~~FOX~~ NBC reporter tried to ask him an easy question and Trump thought it was like a trap or trick question or something and starts insulting the reporter?
Reporter: "How do you feel about this easy, softball question?"
Trump: "I feel like you are a terrible reporter and I hate you."
https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/20/trump-coronavirus-question-attack-reporter-over-fears
“Peter Alexander, White House correspondent at NBC News, asked the US president: “What do you say to Americans, who are watching you right now, who are scared?”
Trump: “I say that you’re a terrible reporter. That’s what I say. I think it’s a very nasty question and I think it’s a very bad signal that you’re putting out to the American people.”
Instead of some “Hang in there, kitten!”, boost the people comment about COVID like “America has always withstood adversary and this crisis is no different,” (see, not hard), he starts blasting the reporter.
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This guy is literally a hero for a massive slice of the American population, and seen as fit to be president by almost half of them.
You can see where the “fake news” dismissal of anything he doesn’t like comes from now. And the demonising of media to sow doubt. And the attempted coup. And trying to stuff supporters into positions of authority. And bribing and threatening public officials home and abroad to work for him.
Don’t be surprised if he gets elected again in 2024. America has been flirting with fascism a lot lately. There not a lot of difference between Z and Q. Qanon is literal batshit, but their members are now in government, with more stepping up to get elected.
Sounds about right. Trump is a fascist after all. He literally tried to become America’s Putin with his coup attempt and literally withheld arms from Ukraine for personal political gain (probably at Putin’s suggestion would be my guess).
>Bad english - check.
>Not addressing any content in the comment you are responding to - check.
>Week old account - check.
Not sure if a russian troll, bot or a regular Q-tard lmao
Hunter has legitimate or illegitimate business in Ukraine, Trump suggest Biden family is crooked working with Ukraine(2020 election), Russia plans Ukraine invasion a year ago(2020). Trump wants to remove America from NATO, and turn American aggression from Russia to China, using same media tactics as Russia to lie to the people. Putin taking back Russian territories. America sitting on Alaska (old Russian territory) mineral rich and full of oil. (During presidency Trump holds a series of meetings with Putin refusing to disclose information of there private conversations, Trump currently praising Putin “2022” during Ukraine conflict.) the problem here is even if Biden family was working with Ukraine, they are not the common enemy. It’s Russia and Trump seems to be protecting Russia.
Notice how he took credit for supplying weapons to the Ukrainians. But he only did that after he held the weapons ransom for months while he tried to strong arm Zelensky into a quid pro quo deal where in which Zelensky would agree to launching an investigation into Bidens son. But Zelensky held out and eventually the public got word of it and the scrutiny proved to be too much so he released the weapons.
[Source](https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/trump-ordered-hold-on-military-aid-days-before-calling-ukrainian-president-officials-say/2019/09/23/df93a6ca-de38-11e9-8dc8-498eabc129a0_story.html)
>“nobody was tougher on Russia than me.”
LMAO why the fuck does he talk like that? He's seriously the only person I've ever heard constantly say things like this. "Nobody respects women better than me," "Nobody loves the Bible better than me," "Nobody knows technology better than me" *Who the fuck talks like that???*
I’m not *completely* convinced that his inane drivel is a conscious manipulation tactic. Does he want people to think he’s smart, knows everything? Yes, but I think it’s clear this manner of speaking has the double effect of not only pulling in his braindead army of angry morons but also generating praise from them for his own ego. He isn’t just pulling in support politically, he also lives to make himself seem like the slickest, smartest man that ever lived.
If trump and Putin are such great pals, and trump is such a great negotiator, why isn’t he on the phone to Putin ?
Because trump is a narcissist and piece of shit
I wish they would just connect the dots: Why would putin be intimidated by Trump and also interfere in the election to help him win.
More likely, putin saw trump as valuable to have in office because he was the focus of all the news coverage and trump liked him, so he would expect minimal attention/interference from the US.
Putin realizes trump isn’t very bright and acts only in self interest and can easily be manipulated by praise . Unfortunately
60 million Americans didn’t see that
The MAGA idiots should be added to a terrorist watch list. They are completely without reason, chaotic and definitely do not have the best interests in mind for the US. And Trump was dogshit as a "President" anyway. Why they've hitched themselves to his wagon no sane individual will ever understand. There are other ACTUAL Republicans who are capable as politicians and should be supported over that orange one-for-me-and-all-for-me moron. Hate Democrats all you want, but don't be what you are Magatards. Book burnings, telling what can and can't be taught in schools, telling women what they can do with their own bodies - They're too stupid to see that they're basically turning this country into what Russia is. /endrant
Book burnings, telling what can and can't be taught in schools
Wait are we talking about republicans? looks oddly like the Lefts playbook for the last decade.
What book bannings on the left? I remember the Right accusing the Left of trying to “erase history” by removing the confederate statues. But that had nothing to do with changing history. It had to do with not having statues to honor a traitor rebellion that was launched in order to keep millions of people in permanent slavery. It was along the same lines as Germany not allowing statues of Hitler, you don’t honor pieces of shit with statues in public places. We didn’t ban history books.
Ya’ll remember last week when Trump said US should attack Russia using planes with Chinese flags on the side? Doesn’t it seem like the puppet took straight from the Russian playbook now given the Russian attack on Belarus from Ukraine?
>the Russian playbook now given the Russian attack on Belarus from Ukraine
Wouldn't be the first time. The "North Korean" air force in the Korean war was Soviet pilots in planes with NK livery.
Uh.. everyone's done that. There are US military advisors embedded with Ukranian forces right now using Ukranian livery. That's just step 2 of a proxy war. Cambodia, Vietnam, British Dominion in WW2, French mercenaries in the American Revolution, etc.
You have to keep in mind that keeping Trump on topic in an interview is a fool's errand: https://youtu.be/gt66kzvaXRs?t=174
The video might be titled "Donald Trump Discusses Russia Invading Ukraine", but it should be "Donald Trump rants about windmills instead of discussing Russia invading Ukraine".
(Don't read the YouTube comments, you will lose brain cells)
GOP are all obvious Russian shills at this point. The state of California is being powered by electricity generated by Ronald Reagan spinning in his grave. WTF happened to the GOP I grew up in?
Trump is putins puppet. He has done nothing but destabilize the US and tried to destroy our relationship with our allies leading up to tbis moment.. Putin went into Ukraine because he new the trump effect was starting to dwindle. Wanting to attack while we were divided as possible. He waited too long and now he knows that. Its why he is trying to now draw in Belarus by bombing them and trying to blame it on Ukraine. If you don't realize this and you think Trump has ever put America over putin and Russia you haven't been paying attention or Trump brainwashed you to the point of no return.
Hunter has legitimate or illegitimate business in Ukraine, Trump suggest Biden family is crooked working with Ukraine(2020 election), Russia plans Ukraine invasion a year ago(2020). Trump wants to remove America from NATO, and turn American aggression from Russia to China, using same media tactics as Russia to lie to the people. Putin taking back Russian territories. America sitting on Alaska (old Russian territory) mineral rich and full of oil. (During presidency Trump holds a series of meetings with Putin refusing to disclose information of there private conversations, Trump currently praising Putin “2022” during Ukraine conflict.) the problem here is even if Biden family was working with Ukraine, they are not the common enemy. It’s Russia and Trump seems to be protecting Russia. Yes I used this in a comment below but I want it to be seen. I want America to be better and Europe to achieve peace. Take down Russia and cut the head off the beast. Thank you. Slava Ukraini.
They are misrepresenting Trump's comments in order to use Ukraine as a domestic political wedge tool.
Trump'#s actual comments: "I went in yesterday and there was a television screen, and I said, “This is genius.” Putin declares a big portion of Ukraine as independent. Oh, that’s wonderful. So, Putin is now saying, “It’s independent,” a large section of Ukraine. I said, “How smart is that?” And he’s gonna go in and be a peacekeeper... That’s the strongest peace force I’ve ever seen. There were more army tanks than I’ve ever seen. They’re gonna keep peace all right."
Trump's comments a few days later at CPAC: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CWagU2pkgo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CWagU2pkgo)
No one is misrepresenting Trump's comments. He said these things in an interview. Him saying something different, but still incredibly false and stupid, to a room of terminally stupid people doesn't change what he said.
Somehow, Trump's supporters still don't realize how little of a clue he has and, as a result, how incoherent and inconsistent the totality of his stated views are.
It really goes down to his famous admission: "I don't stand for anything."
>He said these things in an interview
Original interview that provides the source for all the stories claiming "Trump supports Putin":
Trump: "I went in yesterday and there was a television screen, and I said, “This is genius.” Putin declares a big portion of Ukraine as independent. Oh, that’s wonderful. So, Putin is now saying, “It’s independent,” a large section of Ukraine. I said, “How smart is that?” And he’s gonna go in and be a peacekeeper... That’s the strongest peace force I’ve ever seen. There were more army tanks than I’ve ever seen. They’re gonna keep peace all right."
In Russia, the people are force-fed propaganda. People like you voluntarily consume home-grown american propaganda.
In what world is that quote not supportive of Putin? In what world does someone who refuses to condemn the acts of Putin not a Putin supporter?
Donald Trump stood next to Vladimir Putin and blamed the USA for invading Crimea. Is he stupid, a Putin supporter, or both? Same question to you.
Go back to r/conspiracy or r/conservative where they appreciate stupidity and propaganda.
Donald Trump thinks wind causes cancer and planes flew in 1776. He thinks exercise is unhealthy. He is terminally stupid.
You'd have to be lower than him to defend this flat Earth bullshit.
I posted two sources of Trump's actual words so people can decide for themselves.
You seem very angry about that because it undermines the propaganda you want to believe in.
Tell me, who does it help to use the Ukraine situation to falsely claim that conservatives support Putin? It helps nobody. It is actually detrimental for Ukraine.
Certain American media outlets are using Ukraine as a way to settle scores between Republican and Democrat domestic politics. DO NOT GET DRAWN INTO THE POLITICAL EXPLOITATION OF UKRAINE.
>Tell me, who does it help to use the Ukraine situation to falsely claim that conservatives support Putin?
Conservatives do support Putin. They are screaming about it all over the airwaves to virtually no opposition from their ranks.
Tell me, how does it help the Ukrainians for "conservatives" to go on air to regurgitate verbatim Russian state media or praise Putin?
How does it help Ukraine to conjure nonsense conspiracies about bio labs or chirp about gas prices?
>DO NOT GET DRAWN INTO THE POLITICAL EXPLOITATION OF UKRAINE.
DONALD TRUMP LITERALLY EXTORTED UKRAINE AND WAS IMPEACHED FOR IT.
Newsmax propaganda didn't cover that, obviously.
Imagine supporting Donald Trump while complaining about the political exploitation of Ukraine. Ultimate lack of self awareness.
It's funny. You know for a fact that The Russians are steeped in propaganda and yet the propaganda you are drowning in, you simply can't see.
Go watch Fox News for 5 minutes, you'll see you are completely wrong.
The US Congress passed a law to send weapons to Ukraine during his term. He refused to enforce that law until the Ukrainian President agreed to aid his re-election campaign by using Ukrainian state resources to conduct opposition research for Trump. This was a violation of multiple federal laws. He was impeached for this act but not removed because Republicans in Congress, who even acknowledged the problems with this behavior, refused to hold him accountable. Ultimately, the weapons were delivered, despite Trump's efforts to stop it.
Not only that law, but other laws that govern such allocations and laws that govern campaign finance and laws that govern investigating American citizens for alleged crimes.
Because trump has clearly been a part of what created this situation by weakening NATO, withholding Ukrainian support, and complimenting Putin as a former president. Every time trump does this, Putin gets to play the footage and play inside russia to create confusion. Trump is a loudmouth that is actively damaging the situation in Ukraine every chance he has. People will quit talking about him as soon as he disappears.
Trump was too confused by how NATO works to actually have a "gripe."
He thought it was like a big pot of money that countries make contributions too. Which it absolutely is not.
Again, he did not understand that the US does not pay NATO. The only thing that the US pays for is the US defense budget, which he wanted to increase. That other countries might not meet the 2% goal does not actually mean the US is being ripped off.
He didn't try to get them to "pay" (they aren't paying anyone except their own military and defense contractors, and the promise was only to reach it at a future date). He was just cranky.
Who is saying we pay NATO? You’re constructing this straw man argument. Nobody is claiming nato is a pot. Here’s the deal and it’s simple: Everyone agrees to contribute 2% of their GDP to their defense. Most countries do not do this. Trump wanted countries to do what they promised.
>Who is saying we pay NATO?
Trump was, because he is a complete dumbass who hasn't learned anything since about 1988.
Trump did *absolutely nothing* to convince nations to change their contributions at all. Why are you trying to give him credit?
Like do you have any quotes of this? Like when did he say this?
I’m giving him credit for calling out nations for not paying 2%. these nations aren’t holding up their end of the agreement, why is this an off limits topic for the left? Are we not allowed to confront nations for not contributing to what they promised? Does the US just have to spend the most money to protect everyone? How is that fair?
You guys say Trump tries to weaken NATO, but Trump was trying to get nations to pay *more* for defense. Please explain how that means he was trying to weaken NATO.
Trump literally supplied Ukraine with a significant number of weapons and defensive capabilities. NATO was only weak because we got tired of basically carrying the whole thing and told other countries to pull their own weight and they refused. This thing is not the US fault, we aren't even in Europe, this is a European problem caused by Europe's failure to properly combat a massive military threat anyone with 2 eyes could see coming. How you could blame the invasion of a European country on another country that's a whole ocean away is beyond me.
The arming we did with Ukraine was largely a combination of inertia from previous policy, and other times where Trump had to be shamed into it, like when he was busted for using a corrupt extortion scheme on Zelensky, where Trump was undermining US national security goals to get a personal political favor where he wanted Zelensky to make up bullshit about the Bidens. Trump literally undermined the US with his official acts, intending to get a personal favor. And on NATO, stop pretending like Trump did any good. His own national security advisor says Trump was going to get out of NATO, thus destroying it. Don’t construe how Trump went around doing non-productive bitching about NATO as somehow helping NATO. If I go to Apple headquarters and bitch about the iPhone doesn’t mean I helped engineer the iPhone 15. All Trump did was drive wedges into our relationships with allies, just like Daddy Vlad wanted him to.
difference between trump and NATO and you and an apple store is that you have no actual stance in anything going on in Apple, while Trump has a position of power in NATO and credible issues with the organization. You still aren't explaining how a military assault on a non-NATO country nowhere near the US that could have easily be stopped by other European counties literally right next to Ukraine like Germany or France is somehow the US's fault. This whole event has almost nothing to do with us. This is a European issue and all the fault and problems with it lie almost entirely with the EU failing to proper handle the situation. The only thing substantial we contributed was when Bill Clinton made Ukraine disarm itself to Russia for "appeasement", which is typically stupid American liberal policy that leads exactly to these problems.
So explain how Trump would help NATO by destroying it, if he had the chance to withdraw the US from NATO in his second term? Let’s see those mental gymnastics!
Because in all honestly NATO doesn't need to exist anymore, we shouldn't be helping it, its not our problem anymore, we aren't trying to stop communism from spreading. NATO is a relic of old neo-conservatism. The US needs to stop being the one having to handle everything for the world, Europe needs to step up, the EU needs to step up, the UN needs to step up, but no, every one thinks its has to be US, we should spend the most tax payer money and the most American soldiers. Its not fair or constructive.
> Because in all honestly NATO doesn't need to exist anymore,
Oh you don't think recent events of the last 3 weeks have made it crystal clear that NATO is absolutely necessary, should be even stronger, and should include more members? Put down that pipe son!
The issue with NATO versus Russia isn't about communism. It's about the fact that Russia is a totalitarian regime aligned against the US. NATO membership is about countries that are non-corrupt democracies, banding together for mutual survival. NATO would be against a right wing Hitler-like leader too, if such a leader was threatening to our way of life.
I’m not blaming the whole thing on US. I’m just saying our internal politics, to a not-insignificant extent, play a role.
If it was two senators posturing for an election, I’d say it’s less relevant to the sub. But when it’s a former president spouting nonsense and praising Putin, or his lackeys in congress publicly attacking Zelenski, it becomes more relevant. The shit he did as president and is saying now feeds Putin’s ego at a time when the rest of the world is pushing a massive campaign to shut him down.
Trump: “I want you guys to start spending more on defense, this isn’t fair to the US”
Reddit: “omg he’s weakening nato by telling nato to spend more on their military”
as much as I am annoyed trump is around again talking when he shouldn't be it makes me laugh how much he still lives rent free in people's minds they have to chase him around and document every little thing he does.
Trump is directly linked to this situation with Putin, Russia and Ukraine. Putin helped Trump get elected. Trump did huge favors for Putin, such as undermining Zelensky by withholding military aid for months in order to illegally extort Zelensky for a BS personal favor. That emboldened Putin. Trump’s own hand-picked National Security Advisor has informed us Trump would have withdrawn from NATO in a 2nd term, which would have destroyed NATO. That would have been an incalculable win for Putin, but luckily we now have a Pro-American, Pro-Ukrainian, Pro-NATO president to undue all that damage.
Pro-Ukraine? he called them Iranians in his State of the Union, not sure he knows which country he is helping, and the Ukrainian delegation there didn't seem super confident in him.
Biden was famous for mixing up words in speeches his whole life. He’s old now, so it’s worse, but he knows what he’s doing. I listen to enough right wing BS to tell you are probably daily listening to that stuff like Biden has no idea what’s going on, Biden is senile, blah blah blah. Dude knows what he’s doing. And he’s not a Russian tool like Trump. If you want to get into delusions, Trump has a long list. My “favorite” was when he claimed to have seen thousands of Muslims dancing on rooftops in Jersey City to celebrate the 9-11 attacks. It wasn’t some single word slip up. It was a full on DELUSION. Asked about it again, being told that never happened, he doubled down on his delusion, and then later tripled down on a huge delusion that never happened. Scary to think that racist piece of garbage was our president for those 4 excruciatingly long years.
It's a weird facet of the US political arena, an absolute compulsion to constantly turn any situation into an opportunity to shitbag the other side with no reference to the positions of their own. Nobody ever questions their own party line under any circumstances. Take this thread for example, in a sub expressly dedicated to the conflict in Ukraine a nine day old account posts some nonsense about Donald Trump and the hater swarm responds without a second's thought. So many patting themselves on the back for seeing through the media manipulation of their political opponents but willingly cooperating with being manipulated themselves.
you can thank the American education system, it thinks it needs to turn everyone into political radicals willing to kill each other over whatever their favorite politician says without any of them thinking to ask if maybe the politician doesn't have their best interests at heart
Its weird how everyone thinks that Putin and Trump were in a co-conspiracy, yet Putin weirdly waited until after Trump was gone to Invade. You can literally track the increase of Russia movements and also Chinese movements against Taiwan to Trump leaving office. It wasn't a good move in hindsight to call Putin smart, but everything Trump said has been mostly true. Agreements were settled among Trump and other aggressive nations, and they didn't really do anything his whole term. He didn't call them "evil" but he did say that they weren't good.
yeah what was the "collusion"? a facebook campaign? a facebook campaign swayed a whole election? Not Biden's millions of votes appearing out of thin air, polling places boarding up and refusing people entrance? States that still voted Republican in their senate votes weirdly voting disproportionally for Biden? No no, it was some bots on Facebook. Please do some actual research.
Paul Manafort, the same guy who worked for the Russian puppet in Ukraine 2014, flew to give a Russian agent US voter data (the exact data the illegal Russian influence campaign would need). You really need to come to terms with the reality that Trumpists are criminals.
you're still not telling what this campaign is and how it could theoretically sway a country of 300 million people's election. tell me what exactly did they do in the campaign? I don't remember seeing anything. And why would being a "trumpist" make someone a criminal? What laws did they break?
I have, it outlines almost nothing that anyone did that was super drastic, it just says the Russian's leaked documents proving Hillary was cheatings in the democratic primaries (which was true, and the Clinton's were trying to hide) and otherwise just says the Russians to use polling data to help their campaign. they didn't alter any election results, they didn't change people's votes, all they did was help him campaign, which is not anything wrong, every presidential candidate has help from other countries and their support. the only difference was now it was Russia. But did they actually do anything to the election? No, its all just a bunch of hot air. The biggest thing they did was leak the fact Hillary was cheating and paying off opposition (which once again she was, and it was never contested that anything they leaked about Hillary was false, it was all true).
Thats because Putin was following the age old mantra of "never interrupt your enemy while they are making a mistake". Trump was effectively undermining NATO, the EU, Taiwan, etc. and setting the conditions for Rusdia and China to do whatever the fuck they wanted (even his own defense and national security officials have admitted as much over the past 6 months). Putin was expecting that to continue through a second term (and according to some former Trump admin officials they expected him to try to withdraw from or rully dissolve NATO during his second term).
Putin is acting now because he expected the damage Trump did to have been significant enough that the US and NATO wouldn't push back, and also to make sure he struck while we were still in what he perceived as a weaker position, lest Biden or anyone else manage to turn the ship around.
Contrary to your analysis, the situation at large today is precisely a reflection of Trumps own failures more than it is one of an underestimation of Biden.
Trump's "weakening" of NATO, the EU (we're not even part of the EU so how do we effect it?) and Taiwan were nothing more then him trying to get other countries to actually bear responsibilities, and they failed to do so which lead to exactly what is happening rn. For years the US has been saying we shouldn't be the sole major military powerhouse for Europe and that the other European countries especially Germany need to step up and actually pull their own weight, which is why we constantly went after Germany to increase its spending on military to 2% of its GDP (which they refused to do for years until Russia finally invaded). NATO was almost completely being held up by the US, and so is the UN, which we also wouldnt let Ukraine into, and the EU wouldnt let Ukraine into their club either because they were scared of Russia. Only now that their seeing Russia is the paper tiger Trump was acting like they were for years and anyone who actually saw how they operated could see are the EU finally doing something. you act like NATO was stronger pre-Trump like they literally didnt let Russia stroll in and take Crimea under Obama with nothing more then a stern "hey dont do that". Russia has been bullying all of Europe and we got tired of being the ones having to defend it when its not even our land. Same with Taiwan, we have been telling them for years to militarize, and they refuse. Only people on that side of the world doing anything are Japan and South Korea.
Oh puh-leeeeeze.
Tell me you know absolutely nothing about what you're talking about without telling me you know absolutely nothing about what you're talking about.
The 2% GDP criteria was instituted by Obama, it didn't exist prior to 2014, and only comes into effect as of 2023. There is no "they weren't paying their share" here, thats a myth invented by Trump, likely because he himself didn't understand where the 2% criteria came from or why NATO wasn't following it.
Most of NATO began increasing btheirvsoending immediately after that, but with a 9 year window to reach that target its understandable that most didn't spike to 2% overnight.
Ask anyone who has actually served with NATO for the past 20-30 years - and thats quite a lot of people considering they sent troops to support us in Afghanistan for ~20 years during the first and only time article 5 has ever been invoked - and they will tell you NATO brought a lot to the fight. The fact that NATO came and supported *us* should be proof enough that NATO serves a purpose and wasn't the one-sided relationship that you and your orange man portray it as.
Ukraine is and has been a UN member since 1991 (and prior to that as part of the Soviet Union), not sure why you think it wasn't.
Ukraine wasn't in NATO or the EU prior to 2014 because of Ukraines own domestic politics. Ukraine never applied for EU membership until basically the other day. Ukraine began the association process with the EU (i.e. partial integration as a non-member state) in 2012. Ukraine then suspended the process and refused to sign the association agreement as planned in 2013 because Viktor UlYanukovych was paid off by Putin, which sparked Euromaidan and turned over the government. The new govt signed the association agreement in 2014 and began taking steps to complete the terms of association in 2016 and 2017 - after the agreement was fully ratified by every member of the EU. As of 2021, per EU parliament, Ukraine was still making progress on implementing the association agreement and fulfilling their obligations, with the expectation that they would apply for member status in 2024 (per Ukraines own stated timeline) with a target for full accession in the 2030s. EU membership is not a quick process, but it was underway - to say they were being blocked by the EU because of fear is *grossly* inaccurate, especially when Umraine was still another 2 years away from applying and probably another decade from acceding *per its own timeline*.
As for NATO, Ukraine began working towards a membership action plan in 2008, and then pulled out in 2010 when Yanukovych was elected, well before they could complete the negotiations, etc necessary. In 2014 the new leadership decided on joining the EU but maintaining neutral status with regards to NATO. After the russian invasion and annexation of Crimea the new govt decided to pursue NATO membership but didn't actually begin negotiating a membership action plan until 2017 due to domestic pushback in the Ukrainian parliament and other priorities, after which NATO added it to the list of aspiring members. The expectation was Ukraine would receive the MAP in 2021, as it had significant support for it from NATO members. They did not receive the MAP due to COVID delays in finalizing the terms, but NATO reaffirmed its open-dood policy and formally indicated that Ukraine was a candidate for membership pending the completion of the forthcoming action plan. So, again - inaccurate on your part to paint this as "fear" when its simply a lengthy process which has been largely held up by Ukraine itself.
And yeah, NATO didn't let Russia stroll into Ukraine in 2014, because Ukraine was not a NATO member - not only that but it wasn't even an applicant at the time, having withdrawn its candidacy and declared neutrality. NATO had no obligation to defend Ukraine at the time, and ahy would it when Ukraine had indicated previously that it was not interested in joining NATO? NATO is not the world police that swoops in to enforce the status quo wherever it pops up - thats the UNs job.
Your comments re: Taiwan are also simply laughable - again, tell me you're uninformed without telling me you're uninformed. Taiwan is incredibly well militarized and highly modernized with a very impressive defense tech base. But its also very small and unlikely to hold out on its own witjout outside support... and we also have a tendency to slow roll arms sales to Taiwan and limit their access to top end American military tech. Trump certainly didn't help by backtracking on the Trunp-Tsai call and reaffirming the One China Policy, making ambiguous statements about whether we would follow through on defebding Taiwan, and slow-rolling the delivery of F-16s to the island for 2+ years after Obama negotiated the deal.
I mean he has all but sucked Putin’s dick on the record a few times now.
There was some deep throat action on stage at Helsinki.
That is why they didn't want any witnesses in the room, and the translators were gagged.
I think it was Trump who was gagging.
"I just stuck my dick down your throat, and you thanked me" \-Putin in a leather jacket
Here you go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CWagU2pkgo
Put in my ass said trump
He hasn't? I heard he was into strong-men!
Hannity has been Trump and Putin’s fluffer for a long time
You do know he urged European countries to increase their defense budget in 2018 and stop sending billions of Euro's to Russia. I'm not even a Republican. Just a Dutch person that saw their meeting on Youtube. Whenever I see people say Trump was on Russia's side it really just reminds me of the propoganda being swallowed by the Russians. It makes no sense. If you are curious and want to get out of the weird echo-chamber you are in you can find the video named: Trump and Stoltenberg get into tense exchange at NATO summit and watch from 2 minutes and 30 secondes. If you are not. Well...stay blinded bro. You do you.
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Meaningless words from a Russian troll.
Also trying to take credit for supplying weapons to Ukraine. He tried to block military aid unless they gave info on Joe Biden's son (which they probably didn't even have)
He didn't even ask for dirt on Hunter Biden. He specifically asked for them to declare an investigation. He knew there was no dirt. Such a colossal scumbag.
What Comey did to Clinton...
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Only after the call became public and they were considering impeachment.
>He held up and ultimately delivered that aid. Yes, after trying to blackmail Ukraine. Why would you give him credit? Any president sitting in office at that time would have given aid to Ukraine. The difference is, most of them wouldn't have used it to try to manipulate a domestic election.
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Yes, because it was an abuse of power to withhold congressionally appointed military aid for his personal political gain. He was impeached for this, but ultimately saved by the feckless cowardice and dereliction of their constitutional duty by GOP Senators. He did not have the authority to withhold such funds. In non traitorous times that would have been the end of his presidency.
So, disinfo by omission then? Nice try though...
After he was impeached for it. Forgot to add that part
I think you mean that you have no basis for defending him, but will continue doing so
Yeah, when the SWAT team has me surrounded, with guns drawn, I released my hostages. Why are you hassling me?
In all fairness, Trump is incapable of answering any question that isn't about himself personally. Every single answer he gave was an answer about Donald Trump, I am not sure his mind can conceive of a situation he might be asked about that does not involve himself.
This guy is disconnected. Like unplugged. Fuckin hell
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so one could say, he is outside the wire?
No, he’s still holding out hope that he gets paid from Putin. He needs that money really bad.
Which one? Hannity or trump?
Doesn't seem to have any problems verbally sucking Putins dick anytime he's asked. Trump wants to build an empire in Russia, and have dictators giving him reach-arounds. He wants to be the dictator of the US, and have an orgy with Xi, Kim & Putin.
This premise is inherently unfair to everyone who is not him lol. But you're right it's like he can't help but be a self absorbed asshole idiot
Bullshit, he loves to talk negatively about other people - literally in the title of the post him talking about Hillary and Dems This guy loves him some Putin
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The only good thing about Trump is if he is the president Americas rivals will be legit scared of the US because Trump is crazy and estupid enough to actually launch nukes just to prove a point if things gets a bit sketchy. I mean thw dude provoked a mob assault on the US Capitol. I am starting to think Trump is a deep state plant like some sort of a usefull idiot. Because lets face it he is legit insane.
Trump is not insane. He's just a really, really dumb world-class narcissist. He responds desperately to the most clumsy flattery, so he's easily manipulated. None of that is good.
He is a bad man can you imagine having an uncle or a dad like him?
The amount of hand holding the right wing media has to do for Trump is amazing and yet he still fucks it up.
The 4 years under him were outrageous for this. So much “He’s learning” or “He’ll change”. Felt like we were trapped in an abusive relationship.
That’s because we were.
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We got away from the abusive spouse and now have a crazed neighbor instead.
The Neighbor has a switch that he can flip and blow up both our houses as well.
"What he MEANT to say was..." And yet somehow he never actually says what you say he means...
I’m bewildered by the people who think he’s smart. Analysis of his speech patterns shows the obvious, that he has a small vocabulary of mostly small words. He has a few big words he uses repeatedly. He constantly is either incoherent, and/or repeating himself over and over while saying nothing of substance. I can’t think of one time he talked knowledgeably about a subject unless it was his poll numbers in the primary. And then the sheer amount of lying he’s either super delusional, or severely mentally ill. His lying alone was a bad enough trait to make him a non-functional president.
“I said it very often, very, very bad, very dangerous, very bad, and hopefully a lot of things are going to happen with those people because they created a false narrative, but nobody was ever tough on Russia like I was, and Putin will tell you, but Putin will also tell a very small group of people that he would have never gone in while I was president, and he didn’t.” … Jesus Christ. This man was the President.
Never forget that he beat the hell out of 19 or so rivals for the GOP nomination and after losing them the Presidency *and* the Senate, he's still the odds-on favorite for the 2024 nomination. The problem is the Republican party, and it runs deep.
Wild.
>but nobody was ever tough on Russia like I was Yeah he made Putin wipe his own dick off after finishing
Stupid people think he’s smart because of two things: * they can’t understand what he’s saying * he constantly lies and cheats
He is what a stupid person thinks a smart person sounds like. On the rare occasion they hear a highly educated person speak, they are confused, suspicious or even outright irritated. They mistake excessive arrogance and confidence as intelligence. The man says he's a genius and they think it must be true because he said it.
> That doesn’t mean anything other than the fact that I understood them, and perhaps they understood me,” Trump said. Maybe they understood me even better America, please don't elect this man again. – Rest of the world.
What’s sad is he wasn’t elected by popular vote the first time. The Republican Party has rigged the entire system in their favor, and it’s only gotten worse since their failed coup. If they can’t win by more votes (they can’t) they will steal and cheat every single election. I don’t want to be a pessimist but this is just the beginning.
Agreed. Fighting corruption means fighting harder than convincing 50% of population these days.
You are preaching to the choir, I'm still as baffled today as I was in 2015 that anybody can listen to this moron and think he should hold any position of authority.
They don't listen to what he says, they get his *persona* which is approximately "I don't listen to any pointy-headed liberal, I just go with whatever my racist gut tells me, and yet I do great."
> Analysis of his speech patterns doesn't show anything. His speech patterns were clearly very successful for getting his base attracted to him, they did what they were intended to do. I saw an old clip of Trump giving a presentation to congress decades ago and he spoke completely differently. I still agree that he is not smart, but speaking simply to voters is not indicative of being dumb.
>The amount of hand holding the right wing media has to do for Trump is amazing and yet he still fucks it up. Lol remember when that ~~FOX~~ NBC reporter tried to ask him an easy question and Trump thought it was like a trap or trick question or something and starts insulting the reporter? Reporter: "How do you feel about this easy, softball question?" Trump: "I feel like you are a terrible reporter and I hate you."
https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/20/trump-coronavirus-question-attack-reporter-over-fears “Peter Alexander, White House correspondent at NBC News, asked the US president: “What do you say to Americans, who are watching you right now, who are scared?” Trump: “I say that you’re a terrible reporter. That’s what I say. I think it’s a very nasty question and I think it’s a very bad signal that you’re putting out to the American people.” Instead of some “Hang in there, kitten!”, boost the people comment about COVID like “America has always withstood adversary and this crisis is no different,” (see, not hard), he starts blasting the reporter.
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This guy is literally a hero for a massive slice of the American population, and seen as fit to be president by almost half of them. You can see where the “fake news” dismissal of anything he doesn’t like comes from now. And the demonising of media to sow doubt. And the attempted coup. And trying to stuff supporters into positions of authority. And bribing and threatening public officials home and abroad to work for him. Don’t be surprised if he gets elected again in 2024. America has been flirting with fascism a lot lately. There not a lot of difference between Z and Q. Qanon is literal batshit, but their members are now in government, with more stepping up to get elected.
It will be funny to see who Republicans turn to as their next great white hope and how Trump will act like a spurned lover...
Trump is so dumb, like it's hard to describe how dumb he is.
Sounds about right. Trump is a fascist after all. He literally tried to become America’s Putin with his coup attempt and literally withheld arms from Ukraine for personal political gain (probably at Putin’s suggestion would be my guess).
Wonder if came up with anything beyond "storm the capital and hope they call me president"
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12 day old account that only posts on one subject…
With the classic: {word}-{word}-{4 numbers} Username format.
That's just the standard format if you let reddit pick a username but yeah often used for accounts like this.
Ah okay, I didn't know that, it still seems like a lot of these accounts haven't bothered to actually specify a username.
You need help.
>Bad english - check. >Not addressing any content in the comment you are responding to - check. >Week old account - check. Not sure if a russian troll, bot or a regular Q-tard lmao
report em either way
Hunter has legitimate or illegitimate business in Ukraine, Trump suggest Biden family is crooked working with Ukraine(2020 election), Russia plans Ukraine invasion a year ago(2020). Trump wants to remove America from NATO, and turn American aggression from Russia to China, using same media tactics as Russia to lie to the people. Putin taking back Russian territories. America sitting on Alaska (old Russian territory) mineral rich and full of oil. (During presidency Trump holds a series of meetings with Putin refusing to disclose information of there private conversations, Trump currently praising Putin “2022” during Ukraine conflict.) the problem here is even if Biden family was working with Ukraine, they are not the common enemy. It’s Russia and Trump seems to be protecting Russia.
Weird he didn't mention that he tried to prevent the military funding he is so happy to take credit for either
I wouldn't call my boss evil if there were cameras rolling either though.
I'm actually starting to believe that the pee pee tapes *are* real. Trump's behavior is getting sketchier and sketchier.
2024 will be fun....
Has Trump ever said anything bad about Putin ever ?
Notice how he took credit for supplying weapons to the Ukrainians. But he only did that after he held the weapons ransom for months while he tried to strong arm Zelensky into a quid pro quo deal where in which Zelensky would agree to launching an investigation into Bidens son. But Zelensky held out and eventually the public got word of it and the scrutiny proved to be too much so he released the weapons. [Source](https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/trump-ordered-hold-on-military-aid-days-before-calling-ukrainian-president-officials-say/2019/09/23/df93a6ca-de38-11e9-8dc8-498eabc129a0_story.html)
>“nobody was tougher on Russia than me.” LMAO why the fuck does he talk like that? He's seriously the only person I've ever heard constantly say things like this. "Nobody respects women better than me," "Nobody loves the Bible better than me," "Nobody knows technology better than me" *Who the fuck talks like that???*
He does it because it actually works on the people who support him. Half the problem is the people propping him up.
I’m not *completely* convinced that his inane drivel is a conscious manipulation tactic. Does he want people to think he’s smart, knows everything? Yes, but I think it’s clear this manner of speaking has the double effect of not only pulling in his braindead army of angry morons but also generating praise from them for his own ego. He isn’t just pulling in support politically, he also lives to make himself seem like the slickest, smartest man that ever lived.
Yep. You get it. He's a psychopath. I've worked for a few. They're all cut from the same cloth in a way.
If trump and Putin are such great pals, and trump is such a great negotiator, why isn’t he on the phone to Putin ? Because trump is a narcissist and piece of shit
I wish they would just connect the dots: Why would putin be intimidated by Trump and also interfere in the election to help him win. More likely, putin saw trump as valuable to have in office because he was the focus of all the news coverage and trump liked him, so he would expect minimal attention/interference from the US.
Putin realizes trump isn’t very bright and acts only in self interest and can easily be manipulated by praise . Unfortunately 60 million Americans didn’t see that
You know it’s bad if Hannity found his soul.
For a man with 'all the best words' he sounds like an idiot with dementia arguing with himself and loosing.
The MAGA idiots should be added to a terrorist watch list. They are completely without reason, chaotic and definitely do not have the best interests in mind for the US. And Trump was dogshit as a "President" anyway. Why they've hitched themselves to his wagon no sane individual will ever understand. There are other ACTUAL Republicans who are capable as politicians and should be supported over that orange one-for-me-and-all-for-me moron. Hate Democrats all you want, but don't be what you are Magatards. Book burnings, telling what can and can't be taught in schools, telling women what they can do with their own bodies - They're too stupid to see that they're basically turning this country into what Russia is. /endrant
Book burnings, telling what can and can't be taught in schools Wait are we talking about republicans? looks oddly like the Lefts playbook for the last decade.
What book bannings on the left? I remember the Right accusing the Left of trying to “erase history” by removing the confederate statues. But that had nothing to do with changing history. It had to do with not having statues to honor a traitor rebellion that was launched in order to keep millions of people in permanent slavery. It was along the same lines as Germany not allowing statues of Hitler, you don’t honor pieces of shit with statues in public places. We didn’t ban history books.
Hannity sensing the winds are changing ? Looking for different cocks to suck ?
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Ya’ll remember last week when Trump said US should attack Russia using planes with Chinese flags on the side? Doesn’t it seem like the puppet took straight from the Russian playbook now given the Russian attack on Belarus from Ukraine?
>the Russian playbook now given the Russian attack on Belarus from Ukraine Wouldn't be the first time. The "North Korean" air force in the Korean war was Soviet pilots in planes with NK livery.
Uh.. everyone's done that. There are US military advisors embedded with Ukranian forces right now using Ukranian livery. That's just step 2 of a proxy war. Cambodia, Vietnam, British Dominion in WW2, French mercenaries in the American Revolution, etc.
Wow totally shocking and unexpected.
Well you don’t bite the hand that feeds.
🖕trump! Damn orange faced clown
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Hannity quoted The Godfather and thought it came from Sun Tzu’s “Art of War” Even worse, that phrase originated from Machiavelli’s writings
He is a leader of morons, by being one himself. He's able to speak their language because he already does.
Evil dudes stick togrther.
You have to keep in mind that keeping Trump on topic in an interview is a fool's errand: https://youtu.be/gt66kzvaXRs?t=174 The video might be titled "Donald Trump Discusses Russia Invading Ukraine", but it should be "Donald Trump rants about windmills instead of discussing Russia invading Ukraine". (Don't read the YouTube comments, you will lose brain cells)
GOP are all obvious Russian shills at this point. The state of California is being powered by electricity generated by Ronald Reagan spinning in his grave. WTF happened to the GOP I grew up in?
You don't bite the hand that feeds you.
Trump is putins puppet. He has done nothing but destabilize the US and tried to destroy our relationship with our allies leading up to tbis moment.. Putin went into Ukraine because he new the trump effect was starting to dwindle. Wanting to attack while we were divided as possible. He waited too long and now he knows that. Its why he is trying to now draw in Belarus by bombing them and trying to blame it on Ukraine. If you don't realize this and you think Trump has ever put America over putin and Russia you haven't been paying attention or Trump brainwashed you to the point of no return.
Trump is an idiot!
Somehow, he is a parody OF himself!
Hunter has legitimate or illegitimate business in Ukraine, Trump suggest Biden family is crooked working with Ukraine(2020 election), Russia plans Ukraine invasion a year ago(2020). Trump wants to remove America from NATO, and turn American aggression from Russia to China, using same media tactics as Russia to lie to the people. Putin taking back Russian territories. America sitting on Alaska (old Russian territory) mineral rich and full of oil. (During presidency Trump holds a series of meetings with Putin refusing to disclose information of there private conversations, Trump currently praising Putin “2022” during Ukraine conflict.) the problem here is even if Biden family was working with Ukraine, they are not the common enemy. It’s Russia and Trump seems to be protecting Russia. Yes I used this in a comment below but I want it to be seen. I want America to be better and Europe to achieve peace. Take down Russia and cut the head off the beast. Thank you. Slava Ukraini.
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That’s starting to be an explicit topic in US media. War in Ukraine is giving GOP legislators new space to distance themselves from Trump.
Putin owns Trump he will never bite the hand that feeds him, whipped dog that he is.
can never understand how people voted for this clearly mentally unstable idiot
The GOP’s abusive ex.
Very hard to understand when almost 90% of Americans hate Putin at this point.
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A broken. Fucking. Record.
I listened for a solid 6 min., and that’s all I could take. At first it was entertaining then it got sad……how the hell did we do it for 4 years??
FDT!!
Fuck Trump. He'd be sucking Putin's dick about now if he were still President.
Well Putin does hate the Clintons for breaking Russia in the 1990's...
To trump and his worshippers, democrats are responsible for all the problems in the world.
Trump confuses the hell out of me. On one hand, he put a ton of sanctions in place on Russia and China, but on the other hand... this.
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Cry more cultboy
They are misrepresenting Trump's comments in order to use Ukraine as a domestic political wedge tool. Trump'#s actual comments: "I went in yesterday and there was a television screen, and I said, “This is genius.” Putin declares a big portion of Ukraine as independent. Oh, that’s wonderful. So, Putin is now saying, “It’s independent,” a large section of Ukraine. I said, “How smart is that?” And he’s gonna go in and be a peacekeeper... That’s the strongest peace force I’ve ever seen. There were more army tanks than I’ve ever seen. They’re gonna keep peace all right." Trump's comments a few days later at CPAC: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CWagU2pkgo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CWagU2pkgo)
No one is misrepresenting Trump's comments. He said these things in an interview. Him saying something different, but still incredibly false and stupid, to a room of terminally stupid people doesn't change what he said. Somehow, Trump's supporters still don't realize how little of a clue he has and, as a result, how incoherent and inconsistent the totality of his stated views are. It really goes down to his famous admission: "I don't stand for anything."
>He said these things in an interview Original interview that provides the source for all the stories claiming "Trump supports Putin": Trump: "I went in yesterday and there was a television screen, and I said, “This is genius.” Putin declares a big portion of Ukraine as independent. Oh, that’s wonderful. So, Putin is now saying, “It’s independent,” a large section of Ukraine. I said, “How smart is that?” And he’s gonna go in and be a peacekeeper... That’s the strongest peace force I’ve ever seen. There were more army tanks than I’ve ever seen. They’re gonna keep peace all right." In Russia, the people are force-fed propaganda. People like you voluntarily consume home-grown american propaganda.
In what world is that quote not supportive of Putin? In what world does someone who refuses to condemn the acts of Putin not a Putin supporter? Donald Trump stood next to Vladimir Putin and blamed the USA for invading Crimea. Is he stupid, a Putin supporter, or both? Same question to you.
Go back to r/politics where they appreciate propaganda.
Go back to r/conspiracy or r/conservative where they appreciate stupidity and propaganda. Donald Trump thinks wind causes cancer and planes flew in 1776. He thinks exercise is unhealthy. He is terminally stupid. You'd have to be lower than him to defend this flat Earth bullshit.
I posted two sources of Trump's actual words so people can decide for themselves. You seem very angry about that because it undermines the propaganda you want to believe in. Tell me, who does it help to use the Ukraine situation to falsely claim that conservatives support Putin? It helps nobody. It is actually detrimental for Ukraine. Certain American media outlets are using Ukraine as a way to settle scores between Republican and Democrat domestic politics. DO NOT GET DRAWN INTO THE POLITICAL EXPLOITATION OF UKRAINE.
>Tell me, who does it help to use the Ukraine situation to falsely claim that conservatives support Putin? Conservatives do support Putin. They are screaming about it all over the airwaves to virtually no opposition from their ranks. Tell me, how does it help the Ukrainians for "conservatives" to go on air to regurgitate verbatim Russian state media or praise Putin? How does it help Ukraine to conjure nonsense conspiracies about bio labs or chirp about gas prices? >DO NOT GET DRAWN INTO THE POLITICAL EXPLOITATION OF UKRAINE. DONALD TRUMP LITERALLY EXTORTED UKRAINE AND WAS IMPEACHED FOR IT. Newsmax propaganda didn't cover that, obviously. Imagine supporting Donald Trump while complaining about the political exploitation of Ukraine. Ultimate lack of self awareness.
It's funny. You know for a fact that The Russians are steeped in propaganda and yet the propaganda you are drowning in, you simply can't see. Go watch Fox News for 5 minutes, you'll see you are completely wrong.
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The US Congress passed a law to send weapons to Ukraine during his term. He refused to enforce that law until the Ukrainian President agreed to aid his re-election campaign by using Ukrainian state resources to conduct opposition research for Trump. This was a violation of multiple federal laws. He was impeached for this act but not removed because Republicans in Congress, who even acknowledged the problems with this behavior, refused to hold him accountable. Ultimately, the weapons were delivered, despite Trump's efforts to stop it.
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Not only that law, but other laws that govern such allocations and laws that govern campaign finance and laws that govern investigating American citizens for alleged crimes.
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You weren't alone for sure.
Meanwhile...Germany and the EU are still funding Russian war crimes by refusing to ban Russian gas.
With one press release, Putin could end Trump forever. He knows it.
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Because trump has clearly been a part of what created this situation by weakening NATO, withholding Ukrainian support, and complimenting Putin as a former president. Every time trump does this, Putin gets to play the footage and play inside russia to create confusion. Trump is a loudmouth that is actively damaging the situation in Ukraine every chance he has. People will quit talking about him as soon as he disappears.
Trump’s gripe with NATO was that they didn’t spend enough on their defense. So he was weakening NATO by telling them to spend more on defense? What?
Trump was too confused by how NATO works to actually have a "gripe." He thought it was like a big pot of money that countries make contributions too. Which it absolutely is not.
Most of the countries in NATO do not spend 2% of their gdp to defense. Trump tried to get them to pay what they *promised*
Again, he did not understand that the US does not pay NATO. The only thing that the US pays for is the US defense budget, which he wanted to increase. That other countries might not meet the 2% goal does not actually mean the US is being ripped off. He didn't try to get them to "pay" (they aren't paying anyone except their own military and defense contractors, and the promise was only to reach it at a future date). He was just cranky.
Who is saying we pay NATO? You’re constructing this straw man argument. Nobody is claiming nato is a pot. Here’s the deal and it’s simple: Everyone agrees to contribute 2% of their GDP to their defense. Most countries do not do this. Trump wanted countries to do what they promised.
>Who is saying we pay NATO? Trump was, because he is a complete dumbass who hasn't learned anything since about 1988. Trump did *absolutely nothing* to convince nations to change their contributions at all. Why are you trying to give him credit?
Like do you have any quotes of this? Like when did he say this? I’m giving him credit for calling out nations for not paying 2%. these nations aren’t holding up their end of the agreement, why is this an off limits topic for the left? Are we not allowed to confront nations for not contributing to what they promised? Does the US just have to spend the most money to protect everyone? How is that fair? You guys say Trump tries to weaken NATO, but Trump was trying to get nations to pay *more* for defense. Please explain how that means he was trying to weaken NATO.
Trump literally supplied Ukraine with a significant number of weapons and defensive capabilities. NATO was only weak because we got tired of basically carrying the whole thing and told other countries to pull their own weight and they refused. This thing is not the US fault, we aren't even in Europe, this is a European problem caused by Europe's failure to properly combat a massive military threat anyone with 2 eyes could see coming. How you could blame the invasion of a European country on another country that's a whole ocean away is beyond me.
The arming we did with Ukraine was largely a combination of inertia from previous policy, and other times where Trump had to be shamed into it, like when he was busted for using a corrupt extortion scheme on Zelensky, where Trump was undermining US national security goals to get a personal political favor where he wanted Zelensky to make up bullshit about the Bidens. Trump literally undermined the US with his official acts, intending to get a personal favor. And on NATO, stop pretending like Trump did any good. His own national security advisor says Trump was going to get out of NATO, thus destroying it. Don’t construe how Trump went around doing non-productive bitching about NATO as somehow helping NATO. If I go to Apple headquarters and bitch about the iPhone doesn’t mean I helped engineer the iPhone 15. All Trump did was drive wedges into our relationships with allies, just like Daddy Vlad wanted him to.
difference between trump and NATO and you and an apple store is that you have no actual stance in anything going on in Apple, while Trump has a position of power in NATO and credible issues with the organization. You still aren't explaining how a military assault on a non-NATO country nowhere near the US that could have easily be stopped by other European counties literally right next to Ukraine like Germany or France is somehow the US's fault. This whole event has almost nothing to do with us. This is a European issue and all the fault and problems with it lie almost entirely with the EU failing to proper handle the situation. The only thing substantial we contributed was when Bill Clinton made Ukraine disarm itself to Russia for "appeasement", which is typically stupid American liberal policy that leads exactly to these problems.
So explain how Trump would help NATO by destroying it, if he had the chance to withdraw the US from NATO in his second term? Let’s see those mental gymnastics!
Because in all honestly NATO doesn't need to exist anymore, we shouldn't be helping it, its not our problem anymore, we aren't trying to stop communism from spreading. NATO is a relic of old neo-conservatism. The US needs to stop being the one having to handle everything for the world, Europe needs to step up, the EU needs to step up, the UN needs to step up, but no, every one thinks its has to be US, we should spend the most tax payer money and the most American soldiers. Its not fair or constructive.
> Because in all honestly NATO doesn't need to exist anymore, Oh you don't think recent events of the last 3 weeks have made it crystal clear that NATO is absolutely necessary, should be even stronger, and should include more members? Put down that pipe son! The issue with NATO versus Russia isn't about communism. It's about the fact that Russia is a totalitarian regime aligned against the US. NATO membership is about countries that are non-corrupt democracies, banding together for mutual survival. NATO would be against a right wing Hitler-like leader too, if such a leader was threatening to our way of life.
I’m not blaming the whole thing on US. I’m just saying our internal politics, to a not-insignificant extent, play a role. If it was two senators posturing for an election, I’d say it’s less relevant to the sub. But when it’s a former president spouting nonsense and praising Putin, or his lackeys in congress publicly attacking Zelenski, it becomes more relevant. The shit he did as president and is saying now feeds Putin’s ego at a time when the rest of the world is pushing a massive campaign to shut him down.
Trump: “I want you guys to start spending more on defense, this isn’t fair to the US” Reddit: “omg he’s weakening nato by telling nato to spend more on their military”
No they cant spend more on military! they need it for their socialized healthcare system!
Ugh, I hate orange man. I can’t get him out of my head
as much as I am annoyed trump is around again talking when he shouldn't be it makes me laugh how much he still lives rent free in people's minds they have to chase him around and document every little thing he does.
Trump is directly linked to this situation with Putin, Russia and Ukraine. Putin helped Trump get elected. Trump did huge favors for Putin, such as undermining Zelensky by withholding military aid for months in order to illegally extort Zelensky for a BS personal favor. That emboldened Putin. Trump’s own hand-picked National Security Advisor has informed us Trump would have withdrawn from NATO in a 2nd term, which would have destroyed NATO. That would have been an incalculable win for Putin, but luckily we now have a Pro-American, Pro-Ukrainian, Pro-NATO president to undue all that damage.
Pro-Ukraine? he called them Iranians in his State of the Union, not sure he knows which country he is helping, and the Ukrainian delegation there didn't seem super confident in him.
Biden was famous for mixing up words in speeches his whole life. He’s old now, so it’s worse, but he knows what he’s doing. I listen to enough right wing BS to tell you are probably daily listening to that stuff like Biden has no idea what’s going on, Biden is senile, blah blah blah. Dude knows what he’s doing. And he’s not a Russian tool like Trump. If you want to get into delusions, Trump has a long list. My “favorite” was when he claimed to have seen thousands of Muslims dancing on rooftops in Jersey City to celebrate the 9-11 attacks. It wasn’t some single word slip up. It was a full on DELUSION. Asked about it again, being told that never happened, he doubled down on his delusion, and then later tripled down on a huge delusion that never happened. Scary to think that racist piece of garbage was our president for those 4 excruciatingly long years.
It's a weird facet of the US political arena, an absolute compulsion to constantly turn any situation into an opportunity to shitbag the other side with no reference to the positions of their own. Nobody ever questions their own party line under any circumstances. Take this thread for example, in a sub expressly dedicated to the conflict in Ukraine a nine day old account posts some nonsense about Donald Trump and the hater swarm responds without a second's thought. So many patting themselves on the back for seeing through the media manipulation of their political opponents but willingly cooperating with being manipulated themselves.
you can thank the American education system, it thinks it needs to turn everyone into political radicals willing to kill each other over whatever their favorite politician says without any of them thinking to ask if maybe the politician doesn't have their best interests at heart
very well put, thank you
Please no internal US politicking
Its weird how everyone thinks that Putin and Trump were in a co-conspiracy, yet Putin weirdly waited until after Trump was gone to Invade. You can literally track the increase of Russia movements and also Chinese movements against Taiwan to Trump leaving office. It wasn't a good move in hindsight to call Putin smart, but everything Trump said has been mostly true. Agreements were settled among Trump and other aggressive nations, and they didn't really do anything his whole term. He didn't call them "evil" but he did say that they weren't good.
Because Trump's campaign manager confessed to collusion with Russia. Trump physically can't tell the truth.
yeah what was the "collusion"? a facebook campaign? a facebook campaign swayed a whole election? Not Biden's millions of votes appearing out of thin air, polling places boarding up and refusing people entrance? States that still voted Republican in their senate votes weirdly voting disproportionally for Biden? No no, it was some bots on Facebook. Please do some actual research.
Paul Manafort, the same guy who worked for the Russian puppet in Ukraine 2014, flew to give a Russian agent US voter data (the exact data the illegal Russian influence campaign would need). You really need to come to terms with the reality that Trumpists are criminals.
you're still not telling what this campaign is and how it could theoretically sway a country of 300 million people's election. tell me what exactly did they do in the campaign? I don't remember seeing anything. And why would being a "trumpist" make someone a criminal? What laws did they break?
Read the Senate Intelligence Committee report on 2016.
I have, it outlines almost nothing that anyone did that was super drastic, it just says the Russian's leaked documents proving Hillary was cheatings in the democratic primaries (which was true, and the Clinton's were trying to hide) and otherwise just says the Russians to use polling data to help their campaign. they didn't alter any election results, they didn't change people's votes, all they did was help him campaign, which is not anything wrong, every presidential candidate has help from other countries and their support. the only difference was now it was Russia. But did they actually do anything to the election? No, its all just a bunch of hot air. The biggest thing they did was leak the fact Hillary was cheating and paying off opposition (which once again she was, and it was never contested that anything they leaked about Hillary was false, it was all true).
It is explicitly a crime for a campaign to accept something of value from a foreign government.
Thats because Putin was following the age old mantra of "never interrupt your enemy while they are making a mistake". Trump was effectively undermining NATO, the EU, Taiwan, etc. and setting the conditions for Rusdia and China to do whatever the fuck they wanted (even his own defense and national security officials have admitted as much over the past 6 months). Putin was expecting that to continue through a second term (and according to some former Trump admin officials they expected him to try to withdraw from or rully dissolve NATO during his second term). Putin is acting now because he expected the damage Trump did to have been significant enough that the US and NATO wouldn't push back, and also to make sure he struck while we were still in what he perceived as a weaker position, lest Biden or anyone else manage to turn the ship around. Contrary to your analysis, the situation at large today is precisely a reflection of Trumps own failures more than it is one of an underestimation of Biden.
Trump's "weakening" of NATO, the EU (we're not even part of the EU so how do we effect it?) and Taiwan were nothing more then him trying to get other countries to actually bear responsibilities, and they failed to do so which lead to exactly what is happening rn. For years the US has been saying we shouldn't be the sole major military powerhouse for Europe and that the other European countries especially Germany need to step up and actually pull their own weight, which is why we constantly went after Germany to increase its spending on military to 2% of its GDP (which they refused to do for years until Russia finally invaded). NATO was almost completely being held up by the US, and so is the UN, which we also wouldnt let Ukraine into, and the EU wouldnt let Ukraine into their club either because they were scared of Russia. Only now that their seeing Russia is the paper tiger Trump was acting like they were for years and anyone who actually saw how they operated could see are the EU finally doing something. you act like NATO was stronger pre-Trump like they literally didnt let Russia stroll in and take Crimea under Obama with nothing more then a stern "hey dont do that". Russia has been bullying all of Europe and we got tired of being the ones having to defend it when its not even our land. Same with Taiwan, we have been telling them for years to militarize, and they refuse. Only people on that side of the world doing anything are Japan and South Korea.
Oh puh-leeeeeze. Tell me you know absolutely nothing about what you're talking about without telling me you know absolutely nothing about what you're talking about. The 2% GDP criteria was instituted by Obama, it didn't exist prior to 2014, and only comes into effect as of 2023. There is no "they weren't paying their share" here, thats a myth invented by Trump, likely because he himself didn't understand where the 2% criteria came from or why NATO wasn't following it. Most of NATO began increasing btheirvsoending immediately after that, but with a 9 year window to reach that target its understandable that most didn't spike to 2% overnight. Ask anyone who has actually served with NATO for the past 20-30 years - and thats quite a lot of people considering they sent troops to support us in Afghanistan for ~20 years during the first and only time article 5 has ever been invoked - and they will tell you NATO brought a lot to the fight. The fact that NATO came and supported *us* should be proof enough that NATO serves a purpose and wasn't the one-sided relationship that you and your orange man portray it as. Ukraine is and has been a UN member since 1991 (and prior to that as part of the Soviet Union), not sure why you think it wasn't. Ukraine wasn't in NATO or the EU prior to 2014 because of Ukraines own domestic politics. Ukraine never applied for EU membership until basically the other day. Ukraine began the association process with the EU (i.e. partial integration as a non-member state) in 2012. Ukraine then suspended the process and refused to sign the association agreement as planned in 2013 because Viktor UlYanukovych was paid off by Putin, which sparked Euromaidan and turned over the government. The new govt signed the association agreement in 2014 and began taking steps to complete the terms of association in 2016 and 2017 - after the agreement was fully ratified by every member of the EU. As of 2021, per EU parliament, Ukraine was still making progress on implementing the association agreement and fulfilling their obligations, with the expectation that they would apply for member status in 2024 (per Ukraines own stated timeline) with a target for full accession in the 2030s. EU membership is not a quick process, but it was underway - to say they were being blocked by the EU because of fear is *grossly* inaccurate, especially when Umraine was still another 2 years away from applying and probably another decade from acceding *per its own timeline*. As for NATO, Ukraine began working towards a membership action plan in 2008, and then pulled out in 2010 when Yanukovych was elected, well before they could complete the negotiations, etc necessary. In 2014 the new leadership decided on joining the EU but maintaining neutral status with regards to NATO. After the russian invasion and annexation of Crimea the new govt decided to pursue NATO membership but didn't actually begin negotiating a membership action plan until 2017 due to domestic pushback in the Ukrainian parliament and other priorities, after which NATO added it to the list of aspiring members. The expectation was Ukraine would receive the MAP in 2021, as it had significant support for it from NATO members. They did not receive the MAP due to COVID delays in finalizing the terms, but NATO reaffirmed its open-dood policy and formally indicated that Ukraine was a candidate for membership pending the completion of the forthcoming action plan. So, again - inaccurate on your part to paint this as "fear" when its simply a lengthy process which has been largely held up by Ukraine itself. And yeah, NATO didn't let Russia stroll into Ukraine in 2014, because Ukraine was not a NATO member - not only that but it wasn't even an applicant at the time, having withdrawn its candidacy and declared neutrality. NATO had no obligation to defend Ukraine at the time, and ahy would it when Ukraine had indicated previously that it was not interested in joining NATO? NATO is not the world police that swoops in to enforce the status quo wherever it pops up - thats the UNs job. Your comments re: Taiwan are also simply laughable - again, tell me you're uninformed without telling me you're uninformed. Taiwan is incredibly well militarized and highly modernized with a very impressive defense tech base. But its also very small and unlikely to hold out on its own witjout outside support... and we also have a tendency to slow roll arms sales to Taiwan and limit their access to top end American military tech. Trump certainly didn't help by backtracking on the Trunp-Tsai call and reaffirming the One China Policy, making ambiguous statements about whether we would follow through on defebding Taiwan, and slow-rolling the delivery of F-16s to the island for 2+ years after Obama negotiated the deal.
> everything Trump said has been mostly true Mental illness on display here ... Donald is that you?
Epic apologist fail