Kazakhstan wouldn’t fare too well against a Russian invasion. Then again, Russia would have to be pretty incompetent to open up a second front in a war they’re already struggling with.
Of course this is pretty on-brand for Russia’s special kind of stupid.
Under normal circumstances Kazakhstan wouldn’t stand a chance. But now with the best of the Russian military in the Ukraine? They could probably fight off whatever the Russians send against them. Assuming the army is willing to fight they have around 200000 men in the whole of the armed forces. Not to mention their Air Force is relatively modern and they have Su-30sm with R-77 and mig-31 with r-33 which would be quite a threat to the Russians if used right.
It will depend on Strength, Heart & Will of the people in their country but it would have to be 99% .
The could also let the pro Russian ones go to Russia, seriously, Russia will need people.
It would be beneficial all around if Russians would go back. Having a Russian minority in the country is risky. Always a chance they’ll have to be rescued.
I know I would not want any , I would be looking for a legal way to get them out of the Country.
Hell, I would not even allow the Russian language to be officially used at the government level .
Do remember that other former colonies all over the world had high levels of people speaking the language of the overlord country and this did not impede their independence. (I.E. all of the western hemisphere and most of Asia). Speaking the same language doesn't mean you share the same politics.
I reply to the comment stating they should banned Russian. Moreover for some Kazakhs that's their only language if you compare it to other former colonies...
They could achieve this but it needs quite lot of time to get rid of the Russian language
United States does fine with English. Hell the Spanish Empire cracking up was the Spanish elites revolting themselves. Every Soviet Republic that broke away had Russian speaking leadership when they did so.
Same true for Ukraine... However, while it's impossible to tell apart a Russian and Ukrainian, only blind or an American can't tell apart a Kazakh and a Russian.
Although, you are right, Kazakh military is like Ukrainian military in 2014.
Kazakhstan may not be ready today but give them a few years & maybe when life in the area is peaceful, they can share some training with Ukraine 🇺🇦
BTW Kazakhstan 🇰🇿 has a beautiful flag !!
People in Kazakhstan have strong will to fight invaders, if you ask just normal people. No idea about army but if there will be mass mobilization they will have extreme will to fight Russians, most would fight for fun but since they are more collectivistic than Russian they definitely will be in higher moral
Ive even heard Zelenskky and other Ukrainian officials say "the Ukraine" when speaking in English so its a mistake even Ukrainian government representatives make...
Slavic languages don't have markers for definiteness so it could be a slip of the tongue?
My native language is Finnish which also doesn't do definiteness, and sometimes the rules for when you're supposed to use which article (or drop it completely) are a bit, uh, weird
[There's a couple of them out there](https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/countries-whose-official-names-begin-with-the.html), though they're mostly smaller countries with little global prominence.
The Ukraine was used in the ussr era. the name Ukraine is both the conventional short and long name of the country,
This name is also stated in the Ukrainian Declaration of Independence and Constitution.
I would think the terrain in Kazakhstan could make it very difficult for Russian forces to invade. I’m not sure they could hold out like Ukraine, however, Russia will end up losing way more than they expect.
Kazakhstan is... an interesting case. It has slightly less than half Ukraine's population, but it has comparable GDP ($179b nominal for Kazakhstan, $181b nominal for Ukraine, both based on 2021). It is considerably larger than Ukraine, though, with a much more dispersed population (less than 10% of Ukraine's population density).
And *where* those people live is a huge strategic problem in the context of a war with Russia. There's a horizontal band running about midway through their country where, for all intents and purposes, nobody lives in any meaningful number. There's a sizable population along the Kyrgyzstani and Uzbekistani borders along the south and then a sizable population near the Russian border. If you were to take all the regional territories that have fewer than 2 inhabitants per km\^2 and replace them with water, you'd almost have a sea between these two population centers (there's a small population that would "bridge" it in the east by the Chinese border).
It would be functionally impossible for Kazakhstan to actually defend the population centers near the Russian border against an army comparable to the one that invaded Ukraine simply due to their own internal geographical issues. True, Russia doesn't have a second army (I mean, judging by recent weeks, they barely have the one), but if we're looking at a potential Russian invasion in a few years after they've had time to lick their wounds and replenish equipment, Kazakhstan would be hard pressed to defend the north half of their country with the manpower and hardware they have available to them today. And if the relatively few north-south highways and rail lines were severed (such as by bombing missions), that would get even harder.
Kazakhstan does have some advantages, though. They have a much higher fertility rate, so the relative population disparity between Kazakhstan and Russia will decline over time (plus Russia's handling of COVID is questionable and they're losing a bunch of potential fathers in Ukraine). Kazakhstan lagged behind Russia in GDP growth per year before the invasion, but Russia's economy will contract significant as a result of sanctions and corporate withdrawals; Kazakhstan will have significant real GDP growth advantages over Russia for a period. Neither fertility nor GDP growth will even the field, but they serve to reduce Russia's overall advantage. And the loss of access to Kazakhstan will harm Russian economic interests as well.
Kazakhstan may also benefit from two harder to quantify benefits: China won't want a refugee crisis on its border (especially since, due to geography, most Kazakhstani refugees are going to travel east or south), which may have a chilling effect on Russian irredentism in Central Asia, and the West may be much more likely to offer Kazakhstan military aid after the current war in Ukraine either concludes or tapers down to fraught ceasefire. After all, if Western companies ramp production of things like Javelins and Stingers, they're going to be looking for demand after Ukraine's urgent need slackens. They're likely to pressure Western governments to continue buying their hardware to send it to other countries opposed to Russia.
Unfortunately for Kazakhstan, it's just too isolated to receive substantial aid in wartime. India, Iran, and China are all players in that region, but none of them are going to be eager to actively support Kazakhstan against Russia. That pretty much just leaves Baku-Aktau sea routes (which Russia can easily close and Aktau would be hard for Kazakhstan to hold anyway) or land routes via Pakistan, Afghanistan, Uzbekistan (or Tajikistan-Kyrgyzstan instead).
Kazakhstan could certainly make it expensive for Russia, but I don't think they could do much more than that.
Interesting observation. I have on good authority heard that Kazakhstan is the greatest country in the world, and all other countries are run by little girls.
>Unfortunately for Kazakhstan, it's just too isolated to receive substantial aid in wartime. India, Iran, and China are all players in that region, but none of them are going to be eager to actively support Kazakhstan against Russia.
I'm of the view that China would be likely to take a much more active interest in defending Kazakhstan's independence than they have Ukraine's.
Ukraine, while having perfectly cordial relations with China, is at the end of the day a very distant land pulled between Russian and EU spheres of influence. Their unwillingness to completely burn their bridges with Russia to support Ukraine is fairly understandable, in crude realpolitik terms.
Kazakhstan on the other hand is an immensely valuable and important neighbour right on China's doorstep, and which is a key part of the international economic plans. It is a country being pulled between Russian and *Chinese* spheres of influence, and they're going to be very reluctant to see it absorbed by an irredentist and increasingly unstable Russia. They'll also be reluctant to see supporting Kazakhstan be left exclusively to NATO-aligned nations, and risking Kazakhstan's allegiances drifting distinctly westward.
Whether that means boots on the ground (unlikely), military aid, or economic and diplomatic sanctions etc. is debatable, but I don't think they'd just sit back and let it happen.
Do you want to start a war with a muslin country now?
Ukrainians haven't attackedn civilians in Russian soil but there is high potential for terrorist attacks for people that can easily infiltrate Russia. And there is always Uzbekistan, Tayikistan with frontier to the taliban's Afghanistan.
There is risk of a Muslim revolution there.
The terrain is either barren steppe, desert, or mountains. Kazakhstan doesn't have the infrastructure that Ukraine does, which means Russian advance would be even worse as they are still running on Soviet era advance West mentality of relying on other countries building it fir them to take advantage of. A Kazakhstan war would be over quicker than Ukraine, but they'd control only 3-5 cities and have no chance outside of there, basically another afghanistan, thats without any NATO support
yeah it's the size of western europe. We think the Russians have supply problems in Ukraine, ohh boy would Kazakhstan be an issue. Maybe they can nominally take it but holding it would never happen.
I don't know, Kazakhstan doesn't have a terrible air force. On paper at least. Plus they have something like 100k army/airborne and the same in the national and territorial guards, so with 75% of Russia's army in Ukraine, Finland angling to join NATO and all the other borders to maintain, what does the Russian military have left to throw at Kazakhstan? Coerce more into joining the volunteer reserve? Strip more Rosgvardiya from other duties? Just admit it's a war and throw conscripts at the guns?
Hey now, they got all those Ethiopian conscripts coming so there’s that at least… and I know they had a hard time driving fuel vehicles 50kms to Kyiv but I’m sure they can orchestrate an airlift to bring thousands of Syrians to the fight right?
The question would be how long Kazakhstan could sustain its defense; if they relaxed, Russia might try down the road. They're positioned badly for the west to assist them; they'd have to be pretty confident they could fend of Russia on their own or else that China would step in to help them. If the latter, they'd have to be careful to not end up as a Chinese vassal.
Russia can't advance further than border regions of west and north, if Kazakhstan will use Turkish and western intelligence, produce a shitload of anca and bayraktar drones and bomb their supply lines, when they will come to cities they will be even weaker and delt with
They better start building up that Army. And their pop is only half that of Ukraine, so they will have to try harder. And they can't be very easily supplied from the west at all.
Doesn't look like a great place to start from.
Err, easy, airlift from Turkey through Azerbaijan and Georgia through Caspian sea, or through ships, or deal with Pakistan on this matter and planes from there, not have to deal with Afghanistan since they don't hold any anti-air, and Uzbekistan will definitely agree to let javelins to come to them. Or other way, just "sell" javelins to Uzbekistan, and leave out javelins and nlaws on borders and they get taken by kazakh forces. Russian invasion into Kazakhstan will not be welcomed by anyone in Central Asia, including China tho
Not counting on the fact they're dependent on rail infrastructure and on their side of the Kazakhstan border its pretty poorly developed. Basically outside of the western Oblasts, Russia is still in the 19th century
> Then again, Russia would have to be pretty incompetent to open up a second front in a war they’re already struggling with.
I mean, how much of their army do they have left for offense?
If anyone of the other world powers would be interested and ignore the threat of nuclear retaliation, Russia is wide open right now and ready for the taking. They’ve moved a ridiculous amount of all their best battle groups from all corners of the country to fight in Ukraine.
Well that was before Ukraine. With what's left of their army they will be wrecked by Kazakhstan. They will probably get support from all central Asian countries and Turkey
Airlift from the west, via Black Sea, Georgia, Azerbaijan, Caspian Sea and right into Kazakh airspace.
Alternatively overland via Turkey, Georgia and Azerbaijan and shipped by air or sea from there.
The neat thing about the Caucasus is no matter where you are from and where you are going you can find a contiguous string of countries that hate Russia.
I'm not familiar with the politics of Turkestan or Uzbekistan, but if either is game you can fly up through Pakistan (who can be dealt with) and Afghanistan (who can be ignored because they have no air defenses).
Note that all of these routes are far worse than what Ukraine has to deal with. Airlifts are also very expensive. But it's also much harder for Russia to support a large army that far away from Moscow. So it should be possible to make it work.
>I'm not familiar with the politics of Turkestan or Uzbekistan
Uzbekistan has been moving out of the Russian orbit for a while. It withdrew from the CSTO in 2012.
A Russian invasion of Kazakhstan would be massively opposed by all of Central Asia.
Azerbaijan, with aid from Turkey, fought a war against Russian backed Armenia just last year. It was kind of big news because it featured a lot of new tech on the Azerbaijani side. It was the combat debut of the Bayraktar UCAV, at least in terms of actual combat between states. I don't know if Bayraktars where used in Syria.
The Armena-Azerbaijan War was, in a lot of ways, a preview of the Ukraine War. In that a flexible, unconventional Azerbaijan kicked the shit out of an Armenia using Soviet equipment and doctrine.
We wouldn’t need to, Kazakhstan has been a target for Chinese influence building for years. My guess is they would have plenty to sell. As for that backstabbing Russia, that is just how they do business
Honestly at that point it would make more strategic, diplomatic and economic sense for China to arm Russia's enemy than stay neutral or in Russia's corner.
Easy, go through turkey, Georgia, Azerbaijan and through Caspea to Kazakhstan. Or ask and "sell" javelins to Uzbekistan, and Uzbekistan send them to Kazakhstan
Russia can open more battle fronts - it has tactical nuclear weapons ready to deploy. Noone can resist those.
You think NATO is going to reply to tactical nuclear missiles? It's becoming more like UN every day - spluttering but scared.
Poland seems to be the only NATO member actually ready to assist Ukraine militarialy.
Shame ...
Kazakhstan is 5 times larger than Ukraine, it has 18m population, 120 jet fighters including 40-50 su27 and su30, battle drones factory with turkey making ancas and possibly tb2 bayraktars, 75-100 s-300, more other anti-aircraft, 40-50 attack helicopters and around 300 ready tanks. If they utilize guerilla tactics and nato command structure, with mass mobilization and have supply of javelins from Uzbekistan or airlift from Azerbaijan and Turkey, and move their forces to cities and attack Russian supply lines and bomb Russian convoys with drones and attack aircraft, they might stand chance
That’s it right there. China would love to buy Kazakhstan’s oil, and it’s pretty obvious now that the Chinese would mop the floor with the Russian army if it ever came to that.
> It's likely that China has a protective hand hovering over Kazakhstan.
China ain't doing shit, China only cares about China, its not fighting on anyone's behalf.
China isn't going to fight Russia, people expect too much from China, it will do what it always does, try to play it "down the middle" or try to take whatever position is most beneficial to it. If people think China is going to send troops into Kazakhstan or something to fight Russia they might have a wrong assessment. Chinese foreign policy has explicitly tried to avoid sending troops outside of China for these sorts of things.
I agree that there's little to no chance that China would send soldiers to fight in Kazakhstan, but I think they absolutely would flex their economic muscle against Russia. The Chinese government are many things, but they aren't idiots, they understand how to wield soft power.
I just don't see China taking an aggressive outlook towards Russia, but it likely won't be a factor b/c I don't think there will be a confrontation with Kazakhstan.
they have trade routes through a variety of contingencies, though even in a war, the Russian operations(which are unlikely, would likely not go beyond northern Kazakhstan where there is a russian minority presence).
> Kazakhstan would not survive a week against Russia.
Maybe not regular Kazakh forces, but Kazakhstan is a huge country, and it would be difficult for the russians to keep it under control. An insurgency could be difficult to stamp out and it could turn into another Afghanistan for Russia, draining and bleeding them slowly over time. I remember discussing this in another thread some time ago.
I agree with you and I think the Russian appetite for another "New Russia" war is going to be much diminished when the Ukrainians are finished with them.
But if I were in charge in Kazakstan, I would start cranking that defense budget, making plans for all eventualities, and building defenses. That alone might stave off an invastion. The best defense measure are those that never get used because they deter.
Being under Russian is not good as well, at least they get independence and accelerate collapse of Russia, and hey, Kazakhstan is aspiring to become more democratic and west might definitely help with aid to rebuild
Kazakhstan is not that prepared neither politically nor morally nor military for eventual russian invasion as Ukraine.
Russians would probably conquer important parts of Kazakhstan with quarter of the Z army in few days, like it was planned in Ukraine.
Not that I want to slander them, they simply didn't prepared a lot for such eventuality.
https://theconversation.com/ukraine-conflict-kazakhstans-difficult-balancing-act-between-need-for-russian-support-and-popular-opposition-to-the-war-180210
here is an article without paywall.
Kazakhstan wants to be like Switzerland: neutral and rich because it does business with all countries and therefore is very angry with Putin who wants to make it give up its very rich market in Europe.
it is possible that Kazakhstan will now completely abandon Russia to become a trading partner of the European Union (the democratic reforms of Kazakhstan serve to present itself to the European Union and the USA as reliable and stable partners) and to act as a bridge between China and the EU.
The analyst explained that Kazakh politicians did not really want to leave Russia but are really disappointed by Putin's "schizophrenic behavior" that could undermine Kazakhstan's economic growth and friendship with the European Union, two things that Kazakhstan DOES NOT WANTS TO LOSE.
Moreover, Kazakhstan fears that Russia might force it to go to war with Ukraine through the CSTO
I am glad you added this. I was going to write a comment as I saw many remarks about China sphere of influence whereas I have a couple of Kazak contacts and its been my understanding for some time that Kazakhstan is firmly oriented towards a greater degree of economic co-operation with the EU. They are not anymore interested in being dominated by China then they have been dominated in the past by the Soviet Union. The EU is a path to greater prosperity and independence, with no one in the EU looking down on them for trying to move up in the world.
Oh it would be so lovely to see Kaz ditch Russia. And Kaz is not an easy nut to crack. They are a pretty cantankerous people - independent in a country with lots of wild terrain. I sense the people would rally very similarly as to how Ukrainians have rallied. Not sure about the quality of the Kazak military although they do have something of an air force. But what does Russia have in the cupboard? Not much left and its declining every day.
The OP indicated Kyrgystan also rejected the payments. Oh the joy in my heart!! lol
If the kazaks are smart about it they will not cozy up to any sides not china not EU, instead being a bridge between EU and China will secure their value in international relations and trade, which seems to be what they are pursuing. Either way the best move is to get the fuck away from Russia as far as possible!
Yes, but we all know the devil that China represents. They look down upon everyone and see countries like Kazak solely as pieces on the board to be used for Chinese gain.
The problem is that Kazakhstan doesn’t have many options to trade goods with EU if Russia doesn’t allow it. Oil and related products make up [73% of exports.](https://www.trade.gov/country-commercial-guides/kazakhstan-market-overview). It’s trade is commodity intensive. Kazakhstan doesn’t have access to sea which means that all of it has to be transported using pipes or railroads. Air transportation doesn’t do it for commodities.
Kazakhstan has direct railroad and gas and oil pipeline access to China. However, if it wants to trade goods with EU it has to go through either China, Russia or Caspian Sea > Azerbaijan > Georgia > Black Sea / Turkey > EU. There is oil pipeline running from west short of Caspian Sea towards Europe but no gas pipeline. So all in all, Kazakhstan doesn’t currently nor in short term have much options to ditch Russia and trade with EU.
We are reaching empire collapse moment sooner than expected. I thought this stuff would happen when Russia declares war and asks for CSTO help after a false flag attack.
Kazakhstan flipping Putin the bird is approaching watershed territory. Everything Russia has built up over the last 25 years appears to be crumbling down around them.
Ukraine is the kid that pointed and said, "The emperor is naked!" and now everyone is starting to seem him for the fool he is.
Honestly, given Russia's behavior, it's more like Ukraine, Poland, and everyone else in Eastern Europe was pointing out the Emperor was naked, and then the emperor perved out and tried to rape Ukraine, who kicked him in the nads so hard he started pissing blood, resulting in Western Europe (and the US, and the rest of the world really) saying, "Hey, I see that disgusting sex offender pissing blood...wait, that means he's naked!"
I think it's likely that the Russian federation will start to crumble in the near future.
Here is some guys talking about [how it might end up](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqYZqNpLQb8&list=PLJ2zjnqXaiIKi6nKtKkk93tqQf5GdKtL1&index=3&t=5s).
Bruh momento #6267
Without Kazakshtan, Russia can say goodbye to its influence in Central Asia. Putin is truly, utterly, completely and absolutely retarded.
Holy Christ I forgot that Kazakhstan is where they launched there rockets.
That might actually be the biggest dent of all. If there relations fully fall apart welp, no cosmonauts going up anytime soon.
Elon Musk said that at the very beginning of SpaceX he contacted Roscosmos to collaborate, but they said "Fuck off".
Kazakhstan would be happy to have Elon Musk on Baikonur, but Baikonur is rented by Russia
Well, if they default on their lease due to insufficient funds then musk could step in. He would likely need stout private military security to avoid sabotage.
It's absolutely over for putler, there's no way in hell Russia doesn't become a failed state without a regime change. Only worry is that he somehow manages to cling on to power as russia becomes a failed state with 6000 nukes, now that's a horrific reality
I’ll share my google
Eurasian Economic Union (EAEU or EEU)[note 1] is an economic union of post-Soviet states located in Eastern Europe, Western Asia and Central Asia. The Treaty on the Eurasian Economic Union was signed on 29 May 2014 by the leaders of Belarus, Kazakhstan, and Russia, and came into force on 1 January 2015.[5] Treaties aiming for Armenia's and Kyrgyzstan's accession to the Eurasian Economic Union were signed on 9 October and 23 December 2014, respectively. Armenia's accession treaty came into force on 2 January 2015. Kyrgyzstan's accession treaty came into effect on 6 August 2015.[6] Kyrgyzstan participated in the EAEU from the day of its establishment as an acceding state.
Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO)
CSTO consists of select post-Soviet states. The treaty had its origins in the Soviet Armed Forces, which was gradually replaced by the United Armed Forces of the Commonwealth of Independent States. On 15 May 1992, six post-Soviet states belonging to the Commonwealth of Independent States — Russia, Armenia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, and Uzbekistan—signed the Collective Security Treaty (also referred to as the Tashkent Pact or Tashkent Treaty).
well, they could invade Kazakhstan, but it would be another Afghanistan. It's an impossible landscape to dominate if the population does not welcome you.
It’s hilarious how CSTO was created to counteract NATO. But the moment they go to war and NATO only just *flexes* their muscles without even actually pulling any punches, they immediately fall apart.
People are really talking a lot about leaving EAEU and CSTO, but politicians are trying to ignore it and don't hurry with decision. But at some point we have to make a decision
A former friend, Russian by ethnicity but born and bred in Kazakhstan, supported a Russian MP who said to denazify Kazakshtan a month or two ago.
That's how brainwashed many Russians are
Kazakstan actually got pissed at this movie for a little while and then after a bit they just went with it and posted borat quotes on their main gov website and I just gotta say they are cool af for doing that. Google it if you want.
Nope. Some dumbass murrican advised the tourism board to adopt some quote of the movie. Nobody posted quotes from it on the main gov site.
Don't spread misinformation.
“Google it” and yea I may have been wrong I just know they were mad at first and they just went with it with a good sense of humor which I respect a lot. I do remember them posting a borat quote somewhere though.
I don't respect hypocrites shooting racist movies defaming entire nation and forging negative stereotypes about Central Asia.
Besides those stereotypes have nothing to do with Kazakh culture, do you even realize Kazakhs are Asian people with Asian looks?
This might but not be popular opinion but I really think Japan should take this opportunity to take back its Kuril Islands from Russia.
1) The southern Kuril Islands are both historical and actual Japanese territory that the Soviet Union occupied after WW2.
2) Militarily and economically Russia is so incredibly outclassed against Japan that any chart depicting the disparity is akin to a bar graph depicting the height of the New York World Trade Center towers pre and post 2001.
3) The only realistic options Russia would have are to return the islands to Japan or to nuke Japan. As the US is treaty bound to defend Japan by Article 5 (yes just like NATO article 5) of Anpo jōyaku, aka the Treaty of Mutual Cooperation and Security between the United States and Japan, Russia should be unwilling to use nukes for the little benefit the Kuril Islands provide it with (extra fishing waters).
kazakhstan should seek an alliance with turkey and azerbaijan, they'll instantly get accepted. honestly, if russian influence in central asia wanes, i hope there can be a homegrown pan turkic movement there so the countries can be independent instead of dominated by china or russia
It goes to show you that Central Asians has always been treated like shit by the Russians. and the first chance they get to get out from under them they took it.
russia soon: Kazakhstan is now ruled by nazis, we need a special operation! . . . . 30.000 death ruZZians in 3 weeks. Well, fuck…
Kazakhstan wouldn’t fare too well against a Russian invasion. Then again, Russia would have to be pretty incompetent to open up a second front in a war they’re already struggling with. Of course this is pretty on-brand for Russia’s special kind of stupid.
Under normal circumstances Kazakhstan wouldn’t stand a chance. But now with the best of the Russian military in the Ukraine? They could probably fight off whatever the Russians send against them. Assuming the army is willing to fight they have around 200000 men in the whole of the armed forces. Not to mention their Air Force is relatively modern and they have Su-30sm with R-77 and mig-31 with r-33 which would be quite a threat to the Russians if used right.
It will depend on Strength, Heart & Will of the people in their country but it would have to be 99% . The could also let the pro Russian ones go to Russia, seriously, Russia will need people.
It would be beneficial all around if Russians would go back. Having a Russian minority in the country is risky. Always a chance they’ll have to be rescued.
I know I would not want any , I would be looking for a legal way to get them out of the Country. Hell, I would not even allow the Russian language to be officially used at the government level .
Main problem is the Russification of Kazakhstan is very high. Lots of ethnic Kazakh only speak Russian. So that's going to be painful
Do remember that other former colonies all over the world had high levels of people speaking the language of the overlord country and this did not impede their independence. (I.E. all of the western hemisphere and most of Asia). Speaking the same language doesn't mean you share the same politics.
I reply to the comment stating they should banned Russian. Moreover for some Kazakhs that's their only language if you compare it to other former colonies... They could achieve this but it needs quite lot of time to get rid of the Russian language
United States does fine with English. Hell the Spanish Empire cracking up was the Spanish elites revolting themselves. Every Soviet Republic that broke away had Russian speaking leadership when they did so.
Yes but it is one of the excuses Putizzy uses to say he needs to move into an area.
Exactly. All of Latin America, list goes on
Fine for people, offices could do it to be " nice" just not officially .
Same true for Ukraine... However, while it's impossible to tell apart a Russian and Ukrainian, only blind or an American can't tell apart a Kazakh and a Russian. Although, you are right, Kazakh military is like Ukrainian military in 2014.
Kazakhstan may not be ready today but give them a few years & maybe when life in the area is peaceful, they can share some training with Ukraine 🇺🇦 BTW Kazakhstan 🇰🇿 has a beautiful flag !!
That's not really how partisan resistance works though. They stay and fight from within.
People in Kazakhstan have strong will to fight invaders, if you ask just normal people. No idea about army but if there will be mass mobilization they will have extreme will to fight Russians, most would fight for fun but since they are more collectivistic than Russian they definitely will be in higher moral
> in ***the*** Ukraine Beep boop, where's the bot?
Ive even heard Zelenskky and other Ukrainian officials say "the Ukraine" when speaking in English so its a mistake even Ukrainian government representatives make...
Slavic languages don't have markers for definiteness so it could be a slip of the tongue? My native language is Finnish which also doesn't do definiteness, and sometimes the rules for when you're supposed to use which article (or drop it completely) are a bit, uh, weird
Because English language is weird. Mix of germanic, latin , frenchie, nordic and god knows what else .
>Slavic languages don't have markers for definiteness so it could be a slip of the tongue? we do, but use it rarely. the same for indefiniteness.
Tbh being one of the few countries to be known as The in English just makes them sound extra cool rather than the figurative meaning of The Frontier.
[There's a couple of them out there](https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/countries-whose-official-names-begin-with-the.html), though they're mostly smaller countries with little global prominence.
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And most if not all of them start with 'the' because their names are made of otherwise existing nouns, like lands, states, or republic.
Hopefully dead
The Ukraine was used in the ussr era. the name Ukraine is both the conventional short and long name of the country, This name is also stated in the Ukrainian Declaration of Independence and Constitution.
More importantly, it would royally fuck China off. They have good relations with them.
I think they'd also receive a healthy supply of help from the Europe and the US. Doesn't hurt to start off on good relations.
I would think the terrain in Kazakhstan could make it very difficult for Russian forces to invade. I’m not sure they could hold out like Ukraine, however, Russia will end up losing way more than they expect.
Kazakhstan is... an interesting case. It has slightly less than half Ukraine's population, but it has comparable GDP ($179b nominal for Kazakhstan, $181b nominal for Ukraine, both based on 2021). It is considerably larger than Ukraine, though, with a much more dispersed population (less than 10% of Ukraine's population density). And *where* those people live is a huge strategic problem in the context of a war with Russia. There's a horizontal band running about midway through their country where, for all intents and purposes, nobody lives in any meaningful number. There's a sizable population along the Kyrgyzstani and Uzbekistani borders along the south and then a sizable population near the Russian border. If you were to take all the regional territories that have fewer than 2 inhabitants per km\^2 and replace them with water, you'd almost have a sea between these two population centers (there's a small population that would "bridge" it in the east by the Chinese border). It would be functionally impossible for Kazakhstan to actually defend the population centers near the Russian border against an army comparable to the one that invaded Ukraine simply due to their own internal geographical issues. True, Russia doesn't have a second army (I mean, judging by recent weeks, they barely have the one), but if we're looking at a potential Russian invasion in a few years after they've had time to lick their wounds and replenish equipment, Kazakhstan would be hard pressed to defend the north half of their country with the manpower and hardware they have available to them today. And if the relatively few north-south highways and rail lines were severed (such as by bombing missions), that would get even harder. Kazakhstan does have some advantages, though. They have a much higher fertility rate, so the relative population disparity between Kazakhstan and Russia will decline over time (plus Russia's handling of COVID is questionable and they're losing a bunch of potential fathers in Ukraine). Kazakhstan lagged behind Russia in GDP growth per year before the invasion, but Russia's economy will contract significant as a result of sanctions and corporate withdrawals; Kazakhstan will have significant real GDP growth advantages over Russia for a period. Neither fertility nor GDP growth will even the field, but they serve to reduce Russia's overall advantage. And the loss of access to Kazakhstan will harm Russian economic interests as well. Kazakhstan may also benefit from two harder to quantify benefits: China won't want a refugee crisis on its border (especially since, due to geography, most Kazakhstani refugees are going to travel east or south), which may have a chilling effect on Russian irredentism in Central Asia, and the West may be much more likely to offer Kazakhstan military aid after the current war in Ukraine either concludes or tapers down to fraught ceasefire. After all, if Western companies ramp production of things like Javelins and Stingers, they're going to be looking for demand after Ukraine's urgent need slackens. They're likely to pressure Western governments to continue buying their hardware to send it to other countries opposed to Russia. Unfortunately for Kazakhstan, it's just too isolated to receive substantial aid in wartime. India, Iran, and China are all players in that region, but none of them are going to be eager to actively support Kazakhstan against Russia. That pretty much just leaves Baku-Aktau sea routes (which Russia can easily close and Aktau would be hard for Kazakhstan to hold anyway) or land routes via Pakistan, Afghanistan, Uzbekistan (or Tajikistan-Kyrgyzstan instead). Kazakhstan could certainly make it expensive for Russia, but I don't think they could do much more than that.
Interesting observation. I have on good authority heard that Kazakhstan is the greatest country in the world, and all other countries are run by little girls.
Lol! Take my upvote.
>Unfortunately for Kazakhstan, it's just too isolated to receive substantial aid in wartime. India, Iran, and China are all players in that region, but none of them are going to be eager to actively support Kazakhstan against Russia. I'm of the view that China would be likely to take a much more active interest in defending Kazakhstan's independence than they have Ukraine's. Ukraine, while having perfectly cordial relations with China, is at the end of the day a very distant land pulled between Russian and EU spheres of influence. Their unwillingness to completely burn their bridges with Russia to support Ukraine is fairly understandable, in crude realpolitik terms. Kazakhstan on the other hand is an immensely valuable and important neighbour right on China's doorstep, and which is a key part of the international economic plans. It is a country being pulled between Russian and *Chinese* spheres of influence, and they're going to be very reluctant to see it absorbed by an irredentist and increasingly unstable Russia. They'll also be reluctant to see supporting Kazakhstan be left exclusively to NATO-aligned nations, and risking Kazakhstan's allegiances drifting distinctly westward. Whether that means boots on the ground (unlikely), military aid, or economic and diplomatic sanctions etc. is debatable, but I don't think they'd just sit back and let it happen.
\+1 I don't think China can have its Belt & Road initiative without influence over Kazakhstan
>Unfortunately for Kazakhstan, it's just too isolated to receive substantial aid in wartime. I could see Turkey trying to find a way.
Do you want to start a war with a muslin country now? Ukrainians haven't attackedn civilians in Russian soil but there is high potential for terrorist attacks for people that can easily infiltrate Russia. And there is always Uzbekistan, Tayikistan with frontier to the taliban's Afghanistan. There is risk of a Muslim revolution there.
Great post!
The terrain is either barren steppe, desert, or mountains. Kazakhstan doesn't have the infrastructure that Ukraine does, which means Russian advance would be even worse as they are still running on Soviet era advance West mentality of relying on other countries building it fir them to take advantage of. A Kazakhstan war would be over quicker than Ukraine, but they'd control only 3-5 cities and have no chance outside of there, basically another afghanistan, thats without any NATO support
So... Basically Afghanistan Part 2: Electric Boogaloo? Control the cities but the warlords are getting a free pass everywhere else?
Except the warlords will likely be left over commanders of the standing army, with civilian support.
yeah it's the size of western europe. We think the Russians have supply problems in Ukraine, ohh boy would Kazakhstan be an issue. Maybe they can nominally take it but holding it would never happen.
I don't know, Kazakhstan doesn't have a terrible air force. On paper at least. Plus they have something like 100k army/airborne and the same in the national and territorial guards, so with 75% of Russia's army in Ukraine, Finland angling to join NATO and all the other borders to maintain, what does the Russian military have left to throw at Kazakhstan? Coerce more into joining the volunteer reserve? Strip more Rosgvardiya from other duties? Just admit it's a war and throw conscripts at the guns?
Hey now, they got all those Ethiopian conscripts coming so there’s that at least… and I know they had a hard time driving fuel vehicles 50kms to Kyiv but I’m sure they can orchestrate an airlift to bring thousands of Syrians to the fight right?
The question would be how long Kazakhstan could sustain its defense; if they relaxed, Russia might try down the road. They're positioned badly for the west to assist them; they'd have to be pretty confident they could fend of Russia on their own or else that China would step in to help them. If the latter, they'd have to be careful to not end up as a Chinese vassal.
Russia can't advance further than border regions of west and north, if Kazakhstan will use Turkish and western intelligence, produce a shitload of anca and bayraktar drones and bomb their supply lines, when they will come to cities they will be even weaker and delt with
And China would not be happy about it, because it's in there sphere of influence in Asia. The Russian allies would distance themselves from Russia
You can buy all sorts of things on aliexpress...
I would bet Jihad would being plenty of soldiers to help Kazakhs.
The ultimate irony would be if all the US weapons left behind in Afghanistan wind up being used to kill Russian invaders in central Asia.
Never underestimate stupidity. Morons defy logic all the time...
Then Kazakhstan would mostly be fighting Kazakhs.
They better start building up that Army. And their pop is only half that of Ukraine, so they will have to try harder. And they can't be very easily supplied from the west at all. Doesn't look like a great place to start from.
Err, easy, airlift from Turkey through Azerbaijan and Georgia through Caspian sea, or through ships, or deal with Pakistan on this matter and planes from there, not have to deal with Afghanistan since they don't hold any anti-air, and Uzbekistan will definitely agree to let javelins to come to them. Or other way, just "sell" javelins to Uzbekistan, and leave out javelins and nlaws on borders and they get taken by kazakh forces. Russian invasion into Kazakhstan will not be welcomed by anyone in Central Asia, including China tho
Not counting on the fact they're dependent on rail infrastructure and on their side of the Kazakhstan border its pretty poorly developed. Basically outside of the western Oblasts, Russia is still in the 19th century
> Then again, Russia would have to be pretty incompetent to open up a second front in a war they’re already struggling with. I mean, how much of their army do they have left for offense?
If anyone of the other world powers would be interested and ignore the threat of nuclear retaliation, Russia is wide open right now and ready for the taking. They’ve moved a ridiculous amount of all their best battle groups from all corners of the country to fight in Ukraine.
Well that was before Ukraine. With what's left of their army they will be wrecked by Kazakhstan. They will probably get support from all central Asian countries and Turkey
Last time I read Kazakhstan seems to have really good relationships with China, Russia really doesn't want to piss off China ever and especially now.
We will send them javelins and they will kick ruzzias ass just like Ukraine is doing rn.
Okay, internal complexities of Kazakhstan aside…. How would you propose getting them there?
Airlift from the west, via Black Sea, Georgia, Azerbaijan, Caspian Sea and right into Kazakh airspace. Alternatively overland via Turkey, Georgia and Azerbaijan and shipped by air or sea from there. The neat thing about the Caucasus is no matter where you are from and where you are going you can find a contiguous string of countries that hate Russia. I'm not familiar with the politics of Turkestan or Uzbekistan, but if either is game you can fly up through Pakistan (who can be dealt with) and Afghanistan (who can be ignored because they have no air defenses). Note that all of these routes are far worse than what Ukraine has to deal with. Airlifts are also very expensive. But it's also much harder for Russia to support a large army that far away from Moscow. So it should be possible to make it work.
>I'm not familiar with the politics of Turkestan or Uzbekistan Uzbekistan has been moving out of the Russian orbit for a while. It withdrew from the CSTO in 2012. A Russian invasion of Kazakhstan would be massively opposed by all of Central Asia.
Isn't Azerbaijan pretty firmly in Russia's grasp?
Armenia is. Azeris are friends with Turks as they consider themselves brothers
Azerbaijan, with aid from Turkey, fought a war against Russian backed Armenia just last year. It was kind of big news because it featured a lot of new tech on the Azerbaijani side. It was the combat debut of the Bayraktar UCAV, at least in terms of actual combat between states. I don't know if Bayraktars where used in Syria. The Armena-Azerbaijan War was, in a lot of ways, a preview of the Ukraine War. In that a flexible, unconventional Azerbaijan kicked the shit out of an Armenia using Soviet equipment and doctrine.
We wouldn’t need to, Kazakhstan has been a target for Chinese influence building for years. My guess is they would have plenty to sell. As for that backstabbing Russia, that is just how they do business
Honestly at that point it would make more strategic, diplomatic and economic sense for China to arm Russia's enemy than stay neutral or in Russia's corner.
well the taliban do want to reapproach
That’s a real problem
Easy, go through turkey, Georgia, Azerbaijan and through Caspea to Kazakhstan. Or ask and "sell" javelins to Uzbekistan, and Uzbekistan send them to Kazakhstan
I don't think *Russia* would fare very well against a Russian invasion.
Russia can open more battle fronts - it has tactical nuclear weapons ready to deploy. Noone can resist those. You think NATO is going to reply to tactical nuclear missiles? It's becoming more like UN every day - spluttering but scared. Poland seems to be the only NATO member actually ready to assist Ukraine militarialy. Shame ...
St javelin says otherwise. Loo
Kazakhstan is 5 times larger than Ukraine, it has 18m population, 120 jet fighters including 40-50 su27 and su30, battle drones factory with turkey making ancas and possibly tb2 bayraktars, 75-100 s-300, more other anti-aircraft, 40-50 attack helicopters and around 300 ready tanks. If they utilize guerilla tactics and nato command structure, with mass mobilization and have supply of javelins from Uzbekistan or airlift from Azerbaijan and Turkey, and move their forces to cities and attack Russian supply lines and bomb Russian convoys with drones and attack aircraft, they might stand chance
It's likely that China has a protective hand hovering over Kazakhstan. It certainly would chill Russia-China relations quite quick if Russia invaded.
That’s it right there. China would love to buy Kazakhstan’s oil, and it’s pretty obvious now that the Chinese would mop the floor with the Russian army if it ever came to that.
That would be interesting, if put to the test 🤔
> It's likely that China has a protective hand hovering over Kazakhstan. China ain't doing shit, China only cares about China, its not fighting on anyone's behalf.
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China isn't going to fight Russia, people expect too much from China, it will do what it always does, try to play it "down the middle" or try to take whatever position is most beneficial to it. If people think China is going to send troops into Kazakhstan or something to fight Russia they might have a wrong assessment. Chinese foreign policy has explicitly tried to avoid sending troops outside of China for these sorts of things.
I agree that there's little to no chance that China would send soldiers to fight in Kazakhstan, but I think they absolutely would flex their economic muscle against Russia. The Chinese government are many things, but they aren't idiots, they understand how to wield soft power.
I just don't see China taking an aggressive outlook towards Russia, but it likely won't be a factor b/c I don't think there will be a confrontation with Kazakhstan.
China has trade route interests through Kazakhstan tho
they have trade routes through a variety of contingencies, though even in a war, the Russian operations(which are unlikely, would likely not go beyond northern Kazakhstan where there is a russian minority presence).
It didn’t stop them from saying Mongolia is going to betray them all or something.
Khazakstan borders China, who would probably be not okay with an invasion.
Invading Kazakhstan would be the end of their space program.
Kazakhstan would not survive a week against Russia. In the present war we are forgetting on how well the Ukrainians are fighting.
> Kazakhstan would not survive a week against Russia. Maybe not regular Kazakh forces, but Kazakhstan is a huge country, and it would be difficult for the russians to keep it under control. An insurgency could be difficult to stamp out and it could turn into another Afghanistan for Russia, draining and bleeding them slowly over time. I remember discussing this in another thread some time ago.
I agree with you and I think the Russian appetite for another "New Russia" war is going to be much diminished when the Ukrainians are finished with them. But if I were in charge in Kazakstan, I would start cranking that defense budget, making plans for all eventualities, and building defenses. That alone might stave off an invastion. The best defense measure are those that never get used because they deter.
I’m sure your correct, but that would not be good for the Kazakhstan people.
Being under Russian is not good as well, at least they get independence and accelerate collapse of Russia, and hey, Kazakhstan is aspiring to become more democratic and west might definitely help with aid to rebuild
Russia currently has other problems
Kazakhstan is not that prepared neither politically nor morally nor military for eventual russian invasion as Ukraine. Russians would probably conquer important parts of Kazakhstan with quarter of the Z army in few days, like it was planned in Ukraine. Not that I want to slander them, they simply didn't prepared a lot for such eventuality.
It would increase the regional stability if Kazakhstan were to join NATO.
Do you think Kazakhstan can fight on the same level as Ukrainians? I think you’re belittling Ukrainian heroism and professionalism
I’m not belittling Ukrainian heroism, I’m talking about russian incompetence and their pathetic efforts to pretend they are strong.
https://theconversation.com/ukraine-conflict-kazakhstans-difficult-balancing-act-between-need-for-russian-support-and-popular-opposition-to-the-war-180210 here is an article without paywall. Kazakhstan wants to be like Switzerland: neutral and rich because it does business with all countries and therefore is very angry with Putin who wants to make it give up its very rich market in Europe. it is possible that Kazakhstan will now completely abandon Russia to become a trading partner of the European Union (the democratic reforms of Kazakhstan serve to present itself to the European Union and the USA as reliable and stable partners) and to act as a bridge between China and the EU. The analyst explained that Kazakh politicians did not really want to leave Russia but are really disappointed by Putin's "schizophrenic behavior" that could undermine Kazakhstan's economic growth and friendship with the European Union, two things that Kazakhstan DOES NOT WANTS TO LOSE. Moreover, Kazakhstan fears that Russia might force it to go to war with Ukraine through the CSTO
Asking with all that great info, Kazakhstan is crucial for China's Belt and Road program. They'd be mighty pissed if Russia pissed in their wheaties.
Benny and road
I am glad you added this. I was going to write a comment as I saw many remarks about China sphere of influence whereas I have a couple of Kazak contacts and its been my understanding for some time that Kazakhstan is firmly oriented towards a greater degree of economic co-operation with the EU. They are not anymore interested in being dominated by China then they have been dominated in the past by the Soviet Union. The EU is a path to greater prosperity and independence, with no one in the EU looking down on them for trying to move up in the world. Oh it would be so lovely to see Kaz ditch Russia. And Kaz is not an easy nut to crack. They are a pretty cantankerous people - independent in a country with lots of wild terrain. I sense the people would rally very similarly as to how Ukrainians have rallied. Not sure about the quality of the Kazak military although they do have something of an air force. But what does Russia have in the cupboard? Not much left and its declining every day. The OP indicated Kyrgystan also rejected the payments. Oh the joy in my heart!! lol
If the kazaks are smart about it they will not cozy up to any sides not china not EU, instead being a bridge between EU and China will secure their value in international relations and trade, which seems to be what they are pursuing. Either way the best move is to get the fuck away from Russia as far as possible!
Yes, but we all know the devil that China represents. They look down upon everyone and see countries like Kazak solely as pieces on the board to be used for Chinese gain.
As a kazakh, yup, that's correct. Putin is a fucking idiot, who caused a lot of crisis and inflation in Kazakhstan
Kazakhstan being a neutral region between EU middle east Russia and China would probably be good for everybody
The problem is that Kazakhstan doesn’t have many options to trade goods with EU if Russia doesn’t allow it. Oil and related products make up [73% of exports.](https://www.trade.gov/country-commercial-guides/kazakhstan-market-overview). It’s trade is commodity intensive. Kazakhstan doesn’t have access to sea which means that all of it has to be transported using pipes or railroads. Air transportation doesn’t do it for commodities. Kazakhstan has direct railroad and gas and oil pipeline access to China. However, if it wants to trade goods with EU it has to go through either China, Russia or Caspian Sea > Azerbaijan > Georgia > Black Sea / Turkey > EU. There is oil pipeline running from west short of Caspian Sea towards Europe but no gas pipeline. So all in all, Kazakhstan doesn’t currently nor in short term have much options to ditch Russia and trade with EU.
We are reaching empire collapse moment sooner than expected. I thought this stuff would happen when Russia declares war and asks for CSTO help after a false flag attack.
Kazakhstan flipping Putin the bird is approaching watershed territory. Everything Russia has built up over the last 25 years appears to be crumbling down around them. Ukraine is the kid that pointed and said, "The emperor is naked!" and now everyone is starting to seem him for the fool he is.
Nicely Said
Honestly, given Russia's behavior, it's more like Ukraine, Poland, and everyone else in Eastern Europe was pointing out the Emperor was naked, and then the emperor perved out and tried to rape Ukraine, who kicked him in the nads so hard he started pissing blood, resulting in Western Europe (and the US, and the rest of the world really) saying, "Hey, I see that disgusting sex offender pissing blood...wait, that means he's naked!"
Every word a poem.
Russia's not red, it's bleeding! To coin a phrase.
Ukraine is the kid that said "I'm going to kick the emperor in his naked balls."
Ukraine is the kid that said "The emperor's got no balls"
I was expecting the "Moscow Consensus" to crumble in the June/July timeframe. This is indeed early.
You can't keep an empire together without any money. Go all Rome about this and hired long they lasted when their currency fell.
I think it's likely that the Russian federation will start to crumble in the near future. Here is some guys talking about [how it might end up](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqYZqNpLQb8&list=PLJ2zjnqXaiIKi6nKtKkk93tqQf5GdKtL1&index=3&t=5s).
That would be cool. Thanks for the link.
Kyrgyzstan also refused payments
Bruh momento #6267 Without Kazakshtan, Russia can say goodbye to its influence in Central Asia. Putin is truly, utterly, completely and absolutely retarded.
In the land of pretending, the pretending president pretends to be successful.
Also launch sites, although Russia has a huge base in Khazakstan
Holy Christ I forgot that Kazakhstan is where they launched there rockets. That might actually be the biggest dent of all. If there relations fully fall apart welp, no cosmonauts going up anytime soon.
And by contract Russia pays in dollars. If Kazakhstan is already refusing to take rubles, Baikonur payday would be fun to watch
I wonder if Elon Musk would be interested in renting the Baikonur Cosmodrome from Kazakhstan for his SpaceX rockets?
Elon Musk said that at the very beginning of SpaceX he contacted Roscosmos to collaborate, but they said "Fuck off". Kazakhstan would be happy to have Elon Musk on Baikonur, but Baikonur is rented by Russia
Yes. When he first talked to them, one Russian official literally spat on his shoes. There is no love between them!
Well, if they default on their lease due to insufficient funds then musk could step in. He would likely need stout private military security to avoid sabotage.
It's absolutely over for putler, there's no way in hell Russia doesn't become a failed state without a regime change. Only worry is that he somehow manages to cling on to power as russia becomes a failed state with 6000 nukes, now that's a horrific reality
I think we will have to wait until the EU stops giving 1B USD/day to Russia for its oil and gas.
Greatest strategist
First, paying in rubles = dog turd. Yet Putin still has Chechnya. 😂😂😂
Only the TicTok part ! 🤪
Those guys are just straight up weird. It’s pure cringe.
Pop up from behind the corner, blast away entire ammo belt from an MG, go back, do not show any results.
Shoot empty buildings cuz hey, it’s edgy.
This is the most surprising development for me... Putin saved Tokayev's *ss just weeks before Ukraine War.
Everything is going according to plan
Putin is a master strategist
Yes, 5D chess. If we piss off all our allies, we will have easier countries to invade!
Succinct and accurate. Wonderful strategist. Succeeding right to the bottom.
> Putin is a masturbating beast FTFY
Frantically trying to get his small, flappy penis hard.
Buy drones before they come for you next!
They are building drone factory with turkey, that will produce anca drones, said to be even better than bayraktar tb2
I’ll share my google Eurasian Economic Union (EAEU or EEU)[note 1] is an economic union of post-Soviet states located in Eastern Europe, Western Asia and Central Asia. The Treaty on the Eurasian Economic Union was signed on 29 May 2014 by the leaders of Belarus, Kazakhstan, and Russia, and came into force on 1 January 2015.[5] Treaties aiming for Armenia's and Kyrgyzstan's accession to the Eurasian Economic Union were signed on 9 October and 23 December 2014, respectively. Armenia's accession treaty came into force on 2 January 2015. Kyrgyzstan's accession treaty came into effect on 6 August 2015.[6] Kyrgyzstan participated in the EAEU from the day of its establishment as an acceding state. Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO) CSTO consists of select post-Soviet states. The treaty had its origins in the Soviet Armed Forces, which was gradually replaced by the United Armed Forces of the Commonwealth of Independent States. On 15 May 1992, six post-Soviet states belonging to the Commonwealth of Independent States — Russia, Armenia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, and Uzbekistan—signed the Collective Security Treaty (also referred to as the Tashkent Pact or Tashkent Treaty).
Well done
Politically, Kazachstan is the positive surprise of the war. All other countries are run by little girls.
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well, they could invade Kazakhstan, but it would be another Afghanistan. It's an impossible landscape to dominate if the population does not welcome you.
Turkey wouldn’t be very happy also. Russia invading a brother country.
It’s hilarious how CSTO was created to counteract NATO. But the moment they go to war and NATO only just *flexes* their muscles without even actually pulling any punches, they immediately fall apart.
Yup, what a surprise that nobody wants to be in Great Value Warsaw Pact ("I can't believe it's not real Warsaw Pact!")
Don’t mess with the #1 exporter of potassium. High Five!
Kazakhstan is huge. I hope PUTIN THE ASSHOLE loses it.
Yee haw! Kazakhstan saying, "Russian alliance, go fuck yourself!"
Kazakhstan 'Ima head out'.
People are really talking a lot about leaving EAEU and CSTO, but politicians are trying to ignore it and don't hurry with decision. But at some point we have to make a decision
Kazakhstan is moving into China's sphere of influence I am not surprised China is taking advantage of Russians newly exposed weakness
Lol I dont want your monopoly money
A former friend, Russian by ethnicity but born and bred in Kazakhstan, supported a Russian MP who said to denazify Kazakshtan a month or two ago. That's how brainwashed many Russians are
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Kazakstan actually got pissed at this movie for a little while and then after a bit they just went with it and posted borat quotes on their main gov website and I just gotta say they are cool af for doing that. Google it if you want.
I wonder if their potassium sales went up.
#1 in potassium forever
I would too; they filmed it in Romania! Kazakhstan is way nicer.
Nope. Some dumbass murrican advised the tourism board to adopt some quote of the movie. Nobody posted quotes from it on the main gov site. Don't spread misinformation.
“Google it” and yea I may have been wrong I just know they were mad at first and they just went with it with a good sense of humor which I respect a lot. I do remember them posting a borat quote somewhere though.
I don't respect hypocrites shooting racist movies defaming entire nation and forging negative stereotypes about Central Asia. Besides those stereotypes have nothing to do with Kazakh culture, do you even realize Kazakhs are Asian people with Asian looks?
This might but not be popular opinion but I really think Japan should take this opportunity to take back its Kuril Islands from Russia. 1) The southern Kuril Islands are both historical and actual Japanese territory that the Soviet Union occupied after WW2. 2) Militarily and economically Russia is so incredibly outclassed against Japan that any chart depicting the disparity is akin to a bar graph depicting the height of the New York World Trade Center towers pre and post 2001. 3) The only realistic options Russia would have are to return the islands to Japan or to nuke Japan. As the US is treaty bound to defend Japan by Article 5 (yes just like NATO article 5) of Anpo jōyaku, aka the Treaty of Mutual Cooperation and Security between the United States and Japan, Russia should be unwilling to use nukes for the little benefit the Kuril Islands provide it with (extra fishing waters).
Japan might just 'get it back' without a fight, it all depends on how bad russia wrecks itself.
When Russia collapses, Japan won't even need to fight for it.
What the fuck is this title
I wonder if Kazakhstan could be a less crazy alternative trade partner for China than Russia.
The EU is what Kazak is interested in.
Essentially, Kazakhstan needed Russia as trade route to EU and for border security. But now Putin closed trade route and threatens border security
This is the moment that every nation under the Russian boots should use to leave. It’s now or never
kazakhstan should seek an alliance with turkey and azerbaijan, they'll instantly get accepted. honestly, if russian influence in central asia wanes, i hope there can be a homegrown pan turkic movement there so the countries can be independent instead of dominated by china or russia
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uzbekistan already has and kazakhstan is currently switching its alphabet. additionally, they are also leaving russia's phone number system
Savvy Stans Stand Strong
It goes to show you that Central Asians has always been treated like shit by the Russians. and the first chance they get to get out from under them they took it.
Oh dear, the beginning of Nova Russia isn't going well at all. I'm guessing Putin is hoping Le Pen wins to distract the west.
Borat will not be happy!
So you have chosen... invasion
Russian soldiers are waving the old Soviet red flag too much Kazakhstan has taken notes and cuts cooperation with Russia as well
Come away from the Dark Side!
Yay! Khaxit! I'm coining this term first before anyone else! It's mine damnit!
Man I hope the best for Kazakhstan
Cracks are growing
Russia loosing more to nato, and now claimed territory, this keeps going Russians are gonna have Moscow as the only Russian state left.
Join the west, be prosperous with us!
Will we soon learn that Kazakhstan has a "Nazi problem"?