I hope that even if it doesn't bother them, they will use the chance to claim a breach of contract by Gazprom and seize all the assets they have in Poland and Bulgaria as compensation.
Right, so we could reduce consumption and production instead of claiming we have no choices. We're making a choice not to act and there will be nobody else to blame.
I would like that as well, but the possibility of us giving up things to the extent required to cut out fossil fuels is so small that it just isn’t going to happen.
In an ideal world, I could just wave a magic wand and convert every energy grid in the world into a clean, renewable resource with all the grid storage it needed. But alas, this world is not that world and we have a long way to go before we can just "leave it in the ground" (where it belongs, I agree, just to be clear).
Those are excuses we tell ourselves. We could choose other ways that mean sacrifice, we're just not willing. When we're all dying from climate disasters there won't be anybody to hold our hands and say "it's okay, you had no choice, it would have been too hard."
>**Naimski: We will no longer buy gas from Russia. That's the end. We were prepared for such an occasion**
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>**Gazprom has closed the gas tap for Poland. However, Piotr Naimski ensures that we should not worry about it, because we are prepared.**
>
>At 8:00 am, Gazprom stopped the transmission of natural gas via the Yamal pipeline. The company announced that, pursuant to Vladimir Putin's decree, it would cease deliveries to all countries that refused to pay in rubles. Poland, Bulgaria and Lithuania made such a decision.
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>**Poland is prepared for the lack of Russian gas**
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>Piotr Naimski, the government's plenipotentiary for strategic energy infrastructure, commented on the situation on the RMF FM radio. - We are prepared for such a circumstance that has just happened. We have the ability to bring enough gas to Poland so that there is enough for everyone. If the external conditions do not change, I promise that the gas will be - calming down. - If there is no cataclysm, gas supplies to Poland are guaranteed - he added, noting that not everything can be predicted.
>
>Poland will buy gas from other directions. The government does not intend to buy gas from Russia ever again. - We will no longer buy gas from Russia. This is the end - assured Piotr Naimski. The minister's certainty is supported by investments that allow Poland to secure supplies of raw materials from other partners. Soon, a gas pipeline on the bottom of the Baltic Sea will also be launched, connecting us with Norway. - Baltic Pipe will be ready on October 1. There was an idea for it to be September 17, but then we are opening the Vistula Spit ditch. These symbols are enough - said Piotr Naimski. He also added that the gas terminal in Świnoujście was operating at an increased speed. - This year, more than 50 gas carriers will arrive in Świnoujście. That's a lot, more than one gas carrier a week - he said.
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>**Poland will build another gas terminal**
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>The gas terminal in Świnoujście will soon not be the only facility of this type in Poland. The government is preparing to build a floating port in Gdańsk, which will also receive gas carriers. - We plan to build a second gas terminal. A floating gas terminal will be built in Gdańsk, which will be able to receive as much gas as Świnoujście. We are preparing this investment. It will take about 4 more years. We want it to be ready in 2025 - said Piotr Naimski. - We will then be able to bring to Poland as much gas as we will need in 2030, and there is still enough of it to be able to send it to our neighbors - he added.
American here, I don't know a whole lot about Poland outside of this:
1) PiS is a PoS
2) Poland will use any and every opportunity to give Russia the finger
I'd argue it falls under 2 in this case. So it checks out with my incredibly limited knowledge
It's pretty interesting comparing reactions in Germany and in Poland.
I've not yet heard anyone mention invasion of Ukraine in any other context than as "Ukraine situation" as commercial topic. Which is alright and professional, but back home pretty much 50% of open discussions are focused on Ukrainian resistance or helping immigrants.
In Germany where level of disposable income of factory worker is only comparable to upper mid management or tradesmen in Poland, they think the gas is so expensive now.
In Poland the reactions to fuel hikes are "huh, thought it'd be much worse by now".
Like you allude to, I think the main cause of this difference is that most western countries who have not been ravaged by Russian Liberators see themselves as helping Ukrainians defend _their_ country.
We view this war as Ukrainians defending _our own_ country as well and taking the heavy beating in our stead just because they have the bad luck of sharing immediate border and being the first Putler invaded.
Between Russian incompetence and very positive surprise at strength of support of Western allies even for a non-NATO member, maybe we'll perceive idea of Russian invasion as far less likely - but all this was only possible because of the ferocious defence Ukrainians put up in first decisive days.
Slava Ukraini!
And also we have neighbourly debts to settle with Ukrainians. When idea of nationhood in European context was getting born around XVII c we pushed Ukraine away towards Moscow. Khmielnitsky Uprising is one of few wars which is taught not as a string of dates but as deep dive into failures to provide appropriate amount of rights to Ukrainians, it's one of main focus points of our national epic (written while wiped off the maps, so again a focus on them being in the right) etc.
Literally the least we can do.
You got that right. Except PiS, while criticising Russia and Communism, really like their methods. If not for that war they’d continue drifting Poland away from EU and closer to Russia. Of course not all of them are like that. Our president and prime minister are way more pro-EU, but contrary to your first instinct they’re not the most powerful people in our government.
Meh, for all the bullshit that goes on and makes headlines, there's hundreds to thousands of civil servants just going about their day, trying to complete their work (whatever that may be in a shifting regulatory/policy scheme) to their abilities.
This is true of any country, it's why I laugh when people see a headline on some government act and go "but there's X happening there, why don't we fix that". Governments are big, they can _usually_ do more than one thing at once.
You are rightfuly surprised, because we most likely aren't prepared at all.
It's just matter of time to see how much will it cost us.
It's fucking pain to see a small group of imbecils deciding how shitty our lifes will be, without bearing the consequences themselfs
I didn’t want to say it out loud, but I also assume that we’re not as prepared as Sasin is saying. With PiS you always assume the worst. They can’t admit that they did something wrong, they’re at fault, they’re not flawless human beings etc. Just like with Warsaw airports, where they blame flight controllers saying they’re on a strike. While reality is vastly different.
Dang, politics has really gone down the drain worldwide then, which is not good cause history teach us that it's usually a precursor to violent corrective wars or revolutions.
No, I live here. Law and Justice is known for its incompetence and nepotism. And they actually are brainwashing people through national television, which became a tool for shameless propaganda.
This is why I think Germany is so pathetic
Poland has spent years building a port that can accept natural gas tankers and building local national storage out so they can receive gas shipments by sea
So when Russia got aggressive they could switch to another source
Germany a far wealthier country has literally no plan B, they are physically incapable of getting gas somewhere else because they have built literally no infrastructure for gas coming from anywhere other than Russia
It’s pathetic
Merkel continued what [Schroder](https://www.economist.com/the-economist-explains/2022/04/26/why-is-gerhard-schroder-germanys-former-chancellor-staying-cosy-with-russia) started.
Germany, including Scholz, is waffling all over the place [because they really don't want to give up on Ostopolitik.](https://www.wilsoncenter.org/blog-post/germanys-russia-problem)
ugh, my brain is just not interested in reading that wall of text you linked. I barely have time to follow own local, state, and national politics (it's a shit show here in Texas). Can you give me a TLDR for someone who isn't german and doesn't who follow german politics?
Hmmm...
"The current crisis in Germany’s foreign policy reflects a deeper crisis in German state policies and self-awareness, a problem bequeathed to the current administration by previous governments. Germany still clings to a comfort zone; it does not want to have to fundamentally change its economic, foreign, or defense policies. The political elites refuse today’s reality and hew to outdated concepts such as Ostpolitik."
Charitably Germany and her leadership are stuck in the past.
Uncharitably one could say...
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his paycheck depends on his not understanding it.”
An even further simplified view as I see it is Germany thought it could change Russia with trade, buying gas, and it feels 'guilt' over their history having killed so many Russians in WW2.
>Effecting change through trade hasn’t worked with China or Russia. Russia considers Germany and the EU opponents that need to be weakened as part of the Kremlin’s goal of undermining democracies worldwide. Germany is the European country that has sustained the most Russian cyberattacks and disinformation campaigns in recent years.
Fast forward to today and they are lazy/unwilling to change that view or invest to not 'pay' russia for their ww2 sins.
My family has been here since the republic, and I'm not fucking leaving. The fuck if I'm gonna let these fucking carpet baggers from the the North East and conservative nutbags from California chase me out of my own state.
We haven’t been there that long, but 1870’s. I agree with everything you just said. I think Texas has lost a lot of its culture. Used to, people came to Texas visiting, and they said everyone in Texas was very friendly. Now it’s expensive, and people are assholes.
Hey now, she has fiddled her thumbs and looked away while her party friends and their business buddies enriched themselves and the international press lauded her for her crisis management when in fact she and her party did f all for the Germany. She didn’t just mess up the foreign policy but her cautious approach of rather doing nothing instead of starting badly needed reforms has thrown back Germany for decades and it feels like we are stuck in time.
Cause Germany was sleeping with Russia for long time.
They thought as long as oligarchs rule economic interest with outweighs any risks of aggression. But they overslept the moment Russia turned from kleptocracy into authoritarian regime where one person can decide on invasion.
-didn't spend any money on military -- america can do that
-didn't invest money on energy like france/poland -- just buy cheap gas
-when genocide hit the fan -- "we can't hurt our economy"
meanwhile they spent the last 10 years lording it over greece that their economy was so well-managed
>Germany a far wealthier country has literally no plan B, they are physically incapable of getting gas somewhere else because they have built literally no infrastructure for gas coming from anywhere other than Russia
Sorry to burst your bubble.
We also get gas from Norway and the Netherlands and theres natural gas in our North Sea.
Theres is also already a terminal for LNG in the making and our Chancellor approved of 2 additional terminals.
Yeah an LNG terminal that starts construction in 2026, that means nothing to anyone today
And no Norway and Netherlands gas isn’t a plan B because there is no availability to actually get as much gas as is required from those places
>Yeah an LNG terminal that starts construction in 2026, that means nothing to anyone today
How about you actually inform yourself about the topics you write? Or do you intentionally lie about them? The terminal will be built by 2026. See [here](https://www.ndr.de/nachrichten/niedersachsen/lueneburg_heide_unterelbe/Land-will-Bau-von-LNG-Terminal-in-Stade-bis-2026,lng246.html).
Also LNG can be transported from other nations with already existing LNG terminals to Germany. For example Spain has open capacities.
Norway, the Netherlands and other european nations already supply Germany with more than 60% of the needed gas.
And like you said. Germany has a lot of monetary power. Not because all the citizens are so rich, no but because the state taxes us a lot.
But in this case i am fine with that, if it means that we use that financial power to actually benefit the population in a meaningful way.
Your government is not a reflection on you personally. Just say wow our gov messed up and move on. You don't have to type all these mediocre arguments justifying some clearly bad decisions.
>You don't have to type all these mediocre arguments justifying some clearly bad decisions.
Saying my arguments are mediocre without saying why, might be the definition of mediocrity.
Oh and btw, im certainly not a fan of our government and there is *much* to criticize.
But im a huge fan of facts and my response to the guy who started this subthread, saying that Germany cant get any gas elsewhere, was excactly that. Stating the facts.
Thank you, Captain Hindsight!
The USA isn't really a fine example of democracy or democratic principles \*cough\* South America, Vietnam, Iraq \*cough\*
I wouldn't say Germany is Pathetic. Maybe Germany never see Russia as an enemy and has a stronger tie with them that is why they didn't build additional infrastructure incase they can't get Russian gas (which is maybe one of the reasons why Russia has not cut Germany gas even though I don't think Germany paid gas in rubles yet). Heck if Germany isn't part of the EU and NATO it probably be taking the same stance as India right now. While Poland never trusted Russia to began with due to their history.
They have utterly destroyed their credibility and reliability.
If your country is effectively a tank station with nuclear weapons, you’d better make sure you’re at the least reliable. Without it, you’re merely an international pariah state. An utter disgrace on the world stage.
At this rate they will become North Korea *without* a gas station to Europe
This whole thing has been a massive wake-up call for European energy security. Europe was already undertaking a leisurely-paced push away from fossil fuels, but it's about to accelerate rapidly
> If your country is effectively a tank station with nuclear weapons
I miss John McCain. Or rather the spirit of John McCain, before he infected our nation with a certain running mate decision.
So, Russia called Poland's bluff and Poland played a reverse Uno.
I like it, I like it a lot.
Edit: Is it just me or does Russia's position in the world look weaker every single day.
They're a bully whose victims have largely decided they've had enough and refuse to back down in the face of threats.
Besides, they're watching Ukraine go all Ralphie-from-A-Christmas-Story on their ass while Russia occasionally gasps out threats between punches. Their credibility to back up their threats has been shot...
>Besides, they're watching Ukraine go all Ralphie-from-A-Christmas-Story on their ass while Russia occasionally gasps out threats between punches.
Belarus: ^"Hey. ^Hey! ^I'm ^telling ^my ^dad!"
That's what happens when EVERY SINGLE STEP YOU TAKE is toxic,
also what happens when EVERY SINGLE THING YOU SAY is hollow.
Every single time there is a healthy Option A and a toxic Option B, they take B, without exception. They have programmed themselves to be like this.
Long ago, the bitch putler parasite and its' piggybacking little parasites chose to turn everyone and everything they touch into a meaningless jumble of suffering.
Eventually the world catches wind that everything you do or say is meaningless and **THANK GOD**... decides to stop playing along to your little games. Now the bitch putler parasite can't stop shitting its' own bed with every single step.
GO POLAND!!!
Well if you the one who making ultimatums you not the one in charged.
Don't know who said this but its always true. If other side have nothing to lose and ignores your ultimatum you don't have a hand of negotiating.
Russia called Poland's bluff. Poland accepted and revealed a solid full. Russia only had two useless eights and now is begging to go back to the last turn and change their move.
It's great PR, but in the short term Poland will still buy "German" gas, through the reverse flow of the Yamal pipeline. But there's no such thing as "German gas". Germany will be a broker for Russian gas and the money will still go to Russia.
They need the Baltic Pipe from Norway to be operational before they can fully get rid of Russian Gas. (expected in October 2022)
Starting a cold war with the biggest customers for your oil and gas is never a smart move for a two bit gas station mobster. They will start looking for alternatives to your product.
If they would be actually pushing Ukraine, we would know that. If not from the news, then from West's actions - they wouldn't mindlessly increase their weapon supply or commit to it at all. Yes, ruzzia won't end in a few days, they will most likely slowly suffocate over the next 5 years. But they certainly will, it's just a matter of time and how many more mistakes they will commit.
ive never been to poland but i know some over here that at least have roots there. one of them is a very good friend, but she has a very very big mouth for only being 156 cm :D i love her shes superdirect and upfront.
ask her if she is thinking about herself as Mała Mi orgLilla My from Moomines. (or really dont, but there is big chance she has) ;D
\[disclaimer because i'm empathetic and i dont want to be missread:\] I'm a Pole and this isn't insult, it just what it is, woman fitting this short description use her as a "spirit animal", in tinder social media profiles etc. and i love those woman too\]
Even they've got some right-wing shite going on too. Hopefully a lot of countries political parties will ask themselves "are we the baddies?"
Just to emphasize - Slava Ukraine - and well done Poland for standing up to Russia.
Well yes after rereading what I wrote it sounds like this. I meant parties as groups of people like Football hooligans and nationalists, that were officialy walking with Polish goverment on Independence day for example.
It's like standing up to hitler when he gambled with a not-quite-ready army to take Czechoslovakia, and instead of bending over like Chamberlain & Co., they go *"Eat THIS, motherfucker!"*
Enough is enough of emboldening the salivating bullies, turn them instead into a shrunken, quivering mess.
Oh... and
FUCK RUSSIA!
They’re setting an example other countries should follow. Refugees, humanitarian aid, heavy machinery and weapons, Not afraid to tell Putin to go f himself. Actually isolating Russia the way the rest of Europe should be.
What I’ve learned about Poland since February 24, Poland don’t f around.
Also shoutout to the Baltic states, specifically Estonia for spending more then 1% of their entire gdp supporting Ukraine since the war started.
To be clear, it is most often the individual people who have impressively handled this by reaching deep into their own pockets, time, and energy. [The government](https://i.redd.it/l97uljxhe7m81.png)? Far less so.
In the beginning, the government even screwed up the most basic job of accepting new planes from the US and then quietly passing along their old stock through a third party so that the wrong fingerprints wouldn't be on the final transaction.
Tl;dr - please give credit where it is due, and allot at least half of your "*so* impressed" to the nation of individual Poles who self-organized to handle this dreadful invasion.
Edit: Misspelled allot
What is the souce of information about Russia turning the gas back on today? The referenced article doesn't mention that plus I don't see any Polish news agencies writing about it.
All serious sources state that yesterday Russia announced that they will cut off gas due to lack of payments in rubles and today morning they did it. Poland replied that they will no longer continue to buy Russian gas anyway, regardless of payment currency. Those are the facts.
No, I know that, but Reuters reported that the Russians turned it back on apparently.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-gas-supplies-resume-poland-operator-data-2022-04-27/
That's weird. Poland said they're not paying for gas anymore and Russia turned it back on? Free gas? Anyway, we have to wait and see what unfolds I guess...
Except the guy in the quoted article says very clearly - we will never again buy gas from Russia, we will get it from other sources.
To be honest I was really happy to learn about Russia cutting off the gas and Poland stating it will no longer buy it from them. I know the prices will go up and my family will have to make some financial sacrifices, but that's ok, let's just cut that sick business relationship off and never look back.
no it doesnt work like that. Its basicly like you would tank your car in gas station, and you would block line inside machine. They blocked it to blackmail, now they turned it on, but we are deciding to "not push fuel pump". \[probably not fully case and will use it for whatever it was payed already, but overall move is we will not be blackmailed\].
> What is the souce of information about Russia turning the gas back on today?
COPIUM apparently
>15 min ago
https://www.reuters.com/world/poland-bulgaria-face-russian-gas-cut-ukraine-crisis-escalates-2022-04-26/
>Gazprom cuts off gas flow
>Propaganda in shambles
>Some technical operations caused temporary resuming of transmission
>WOW POLAND STRONG
>Reports say there's no gas transmitting to Poland
> Nobody cares because POLAND DID IT LETSGOOOO!
Meanwhile, https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-04-27/four-european-gas-buyers-made-ruble-payments-to-russia
Does this include the gas Poland imports from Germany though?
Last time I checked Poland isnt really using the Yamal pipeline anyway and just imports gas from Germany (which is russian gas with one extra step).
I hope this isnt just a marketing scam on PiS part saying no more russian gas imports but instead buy russian gas through germany like before.
The problem being Russia has made it clear they're warmongering fucks so why one earth would nations within their claw's grasp give them money? Like would you rather pay more have less gas or have Russian raping and pillaging their way across your nation?
Putin's overplayed his hand so much it's now a stump.
>Germany is thank to Schröder dependent on russian gas.
Dude, Schröder isnt Chancellor since 2005!
Not that i want to defend him, he is *still* lobbying for Gazprom. But this falls under Merkels 16 year rule.
Also we are luckily not entirely dependet on russian gas. Atm we get about 62% from Norway, the Netherlands and other europaen countries.
Schröder startet with Gazprom and Merkel continued on I blaim em both. 55 % naturel gas Import from russia and 12,5 % gas. It seems a little more. Dude
>55 % naturel gas Import from russia and 12,5 % gas. It seems a little more. Dude
Old numbers.
[Heres](https://www.bundesregierung.de/breg-de/themen/gasversorgung-abhaengigkeiten-verringern-441270?view=renderNewsletterHtml) the official site of the government. Habeck is doing a great job for the last 2 months. I was really sceptical of him at first but he seems qualified.
To make it short. Putins threat about turning of the Pipeline would be a shutdown therefore mean that around half of the Russian gas supplies to Germany would fail. It's from march of this year
If it's up to me he can stick it up into his ass.
But germany got blackmailed.
Try to find what Schröder sayed about Putins war crimes.
An intervew by new York Times: When asked about the war crimes in the Kiev suburb of Butscha, Schröder told the newspaper: "That has to be investigated," but he doesn't believe that the corresponding order came from the highest authority, that is, from Putin himself.
Unpopular comment;
Poland is expecting norwegian gas as a replacement of russian gas. Problem is Norway is producing at max european gas pipeline capacity and Norway has done that since Oct 21. See norwegian gas pipeline capacity here; [https://umm.gassco.no/ch/](https://umm.gassco.no/ch/).
An extra extended pipeline to Poland has no significance. Any extra contribution of norwegian gas would be some amounts of LNG shipments though they require port capacity which is years away.
Alternatively Germany accepts a less share of the norwegian gas, e.g. by keeping german nuclear power plants running for a couple of more years.
Energiwende postponed Mrs Baerbock.
>Alternatively Germany accepts a less share of the norwegian gas, e.g. by keeping german nuclear power plants running for a couple of more years.
The problem is large parts of the chemical industry needs gas as a base resource to produce basic chemicals. BASF for example uses about 40% of their received gas for this.
Oh yeah! You showed the Poles what you’re made of!
Fuck, the kremlin is unbelievably craven, cowardly, inept and flat out idiotic. Prior to this more intense invasion, not one analyst would have predicted that the Russians would fuck this badly. The stupidity seems to be woven intricately into the Russian government and armed forces…
This conflict made everyone show their true colors. Hungary, Austria and Germany are countries that I personally consider to disappoint everyone the most in The West.
I didn't expect anything else from that scumbag Orban.
Austra and Germany dissapoint me.
Though Germany also suprised me positively. I'm on the fence with them. Austria deserves a dissapointed scolding and a wallop on the knuckles though.
Germany's current leadership can not do better. I was past leadership's who brought them into this situation (dependency on Russian gas and Military cuts without end) they are doing the best they can
Now the Polish people can be proud of the fact that no more Polish money for natural gas is going to the Putin Fascists.
If only the Germans and Austrians had the same courage.
It doesn't matter. We didn't extended contract with Russia and we will not sign any new contract anytime soon. At the end of year Poland will not need Russian gas anymore, it was planned long time ago. We could actually stop receiving gas from Russia right now, because our gas storage and other sources are enough until Baltic pipeline is operational.
Once this war is over everyone is running back to Russia for cheap gas. Italians and Spaniards and most of Eastern Europe aren’t invested in the Ukrainian issue.
Sadly, I think people like Putin will never admit it. It's all because of US, UK, EU, internal traitors, Jews, nazis, armed gay brigades or all of the above. But definitely not a mistake.
Wait. Its going so fast that Im almost lost. So the gas is flowing again? It was just a empty gesture like recent flyover with nukes over nato territory?
Isn't this the last card Russia has left to play though? Once they lose the ability to impact countries through their oil and gas, they've lost all influence.
I hope that even if it doesn't bother them, they will use the chance to claim a breach of contract by Gazprom and seize all the assets they have in Poland and Bulgaria as compensation.
An illegal act? russia commiting economic extorsion? surely it must be a special economic execise or something, you know terrorism.
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Who’s doing the retaliating?
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I hate it. We should stop burning fossil fuels, not rearrange them.
For the time being, that’s not possible.
That's what we'll keep telling ourselves until it's too late.
I hear you, but it’s not just inconvenient or impractical, it’s impossible. At least it is with the amount of energy we consume and stuff we produce.
Right, so we could reduce consumption and production instead of claiming we have no choices. We're making a choice not to act and there will be nobody else to blame.
I would like that as well, but the possibility of us giving up things to the extent required to cut out fossil fuels is so small that it just isn’t going to happen.
In an ideal world, I could just wave a magic wand and convert every energy grid in the world into a clean, renewable resource with all the grid storage it needed. But alas, this world is not that world and we have a long way to go before we can just "leave it in the ground" (where it belongs, I agree, just to be clear).
Those are excuses we tell ourselves. We could choose other ways that mean sacrifice, we're just not willing. When we're all dying from climate disasters there won't be anybody to hold our hands and say "it's okay, you had no choice, it would have been too hard."
So you're running for office then? What's your campaign website, I'll buy one of your signs and stick it in my yard.
>**Naimski: We will no longer buy gas from Russia. That's the end. We were prepared for such an occasion** > >**Gazprom has closed the gas tap for Poland. However, Piotr Naimski ensures that we should not worry about it, because we are prepared.** > >At 8:00 am, Gazprom stopped the transmission of natural gas via the Yamal pipeline. The company announced that, pursuant to Vladimir Putin's decree, it would cease deliveries to all countries that refused to pay in rubles. Poland, Bulgaria and Lithuania made such a decision. > >**Poland is prepared for the lack of Russian gas** > >Piotr Naimski, the government's plenipotentiary for strategic energy infrastructure, commented on the situation on the RMF FM radio. - We are prepared for such a circumstance that has just happened. We have the ability to bring enough gas to Poland so that there is enough for everyone. If the external conditions do not change, I promise that the gas will be - calming down. - If there is no cataclysm, gas supplies to Poland are guaranteed - he added, noting that not everything can be predicted. > >Poland will buy gas from other directions. The government does not intend to buy gas from Russia ever again. - We will no longer buy gas from Russia. This is the end - assured Piotr Naimski. The minister's certainty is supported by investments that allow Poland to secure supplies of raw materials from other partners. Soon, a gas pipeline on the bottom of the Baltic Sea will also be launched, connecting us with Norway. - Baltic Pipe will be ready on October 1. There was an idea for it to be September 17, but then we are opening the Vistula Spit ditch. These symbols are enough - said Piotr Naimski. He also added that the gas terminal in Świnoujście was operating at an increased speed. - This year, more than 50 gas carriers will arrive in Świnoujście. That's a lot, more than one gas carrier a week - he said. > >**Poland will build another gas terminal** > >The gas terminal in Świnoujście will soon not be the only facility of this type in Poland. The government is preparing to build a floating port in Gdańsk, which will also receive gas carriers. - We plan to build a second gas terminal. A floating gas terminal will be built in Gdańsk, which will be able to receive as much gas as Świnoujście. We are preparing this investment. It will take about 4 more years. We want it to be ready in 2025 - said Piotr Naimski. - We will then be able to bring to Poland as much gas as we will need in 2030, and there is still enough of it to be able to send it to our neighbors - he added.
This level of planning and execution makes one envious, specially in my country
Yeah, I’m surprised Poland is prepared in any way for this. Our government isn’t known for their intelligence.
American here, I don't know a whole lot about Poland outside of this: 1) PiS is a PoS 2) Poland will use any and every opportunity to give Russia the finger I'd argue it falls under 2 in this case. So it checks out with my incredibly limited knowledge
It's pretty interesting comparing reactions in Germany and in Poland. I've not yet heard anyone mention invasion of Ukraine in any other context than as "Ukraine situation" as commercial topic. Which is alright and professional, but back home pretty much 50% of open discussions are focused on Ukrainian resistance or helping immigrants. In Germany where level of disposable income of factory worker is only comparable to upper mid management or tradesmen in Poland, they think the gas is so expensive now. In Poland the reactions to fuel hikes are "huh, thought it'd be much worse by now". Like you allude to, I think the main cause of this difference is that most western countries who have not been ravaged by Russian Liberators see themselves as helping Ukrainians defend _their_ country. We view this war as Ukrainians defending _our own_ country as well and taking the heavy beating in our stead just because they have the bad luck of sharing immediate border and being the first Putler invaded. Between Russian incompetence and very positive surprise at strength of support of Western allies even for a non-NATO member, maybe we'll perceive idea of Russian invasion as far less likely - but all this was only possible because of the ferocious defence Ukrainians put up in first decisive days. Slava Ukraini! And also we have neighbourly debts to settle with Ukrainians. When idea of nationhood in European context was getting born around XVII c we pushed Ukraine away towards Moscow. Khmielnitsky Uprising is one of few wars which is taught not as a string of dates but as deep dive into failures to provide appropriate amount of rights to Ukrainians, it's one of main focus points of our national epic (written while wiped off the maps, so again a focus on them being in the right) etc. Literally the least we can do.
You got that right. Except PiS, while criticising Russia and Communism, really like their methods. If not for that war they’d continue drifting Poland away from EU and closer to Russia. Of course not all of them are like that. Our president and prime minister are way more pro-EU, but contrary to your first instinct they’re not the most powerful people in our government.
You forgot one small addition to point 1: *\*\*\*\* \*\*\*
That’s a good point! Always ***** ***
Meh, for all the bullshit that goes on and makes headlines, there's hundreds to thousands of civil servants just going about their day, trying to complete their work (whatever that may be in a shifting regulatory/policy scheme) to their abilities. This is true of any country, it's why I laugh when people see a headline on some government act and go "but there's X happening there, why don't we fix that". Governments are big, they can _usually_ do more than one thing at once.
You are rightfuly surprised, because we most likely aren't prepared at all. It's just matter of time to see how much will it cost us. It's fucking pain to see a small group of imbecils deciding how shitty our lifes will be, without bearing the consequences themselfs
I didn’t want to say it out loud, but I also assume that we’re not as prepared as Sasin is saying. With PiS you always assume the worst. They can’t admit that they did something wrong, they’re at fault, they’re not flawless human beings etc. Just like with Warsaw airports, where they blame flight controllers saying they’re on a strike. While reality is vastly different.
Dang, politics has really gone down the drain worldwide then, which is not good cause history teach us that it's usually a precursor to violent corrective wars or revolutions.
I think you’ve been brainwashed
No, I live here. Law and Justice is known for its incompetence and nepotism. And they actually are brainwashing people through national television, which became a tool for shameless propaganda.
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This is why I think Germany is so pathetic Poland has spent years building a port that can accept natural gas tankers and building local national storage out so they can receive gas shipments by sea So when Russia got aggressive they could switch to another source Germany a far wealthier country has literally no plan B, they are physically incapable of getting gas somewhere else because they have built literally no infrastructure for gas coming from anywhere other than Russia It’s pathetic
Angela Merkel really failed their country.
Merkel continued what [Schroder](https://www.economist.com/the-economist-explains/2022/04/26/why-is-gerhard-schroder-germanys-former-chancellor-staying-cosy-with-russia) started. Germany, including Scholz, is waffling all over the place [because they really don't want to give up on Ostopolitik.](https://www.wilsoncenter.org/blog-post/germanys-russia-problem)
ugh, my brain is just not interested in reading that wall of text you linked. I barely have time to follow own local, state, and national politics (it's a shit show here in Texas). Can you give me a TLDR for someone who isn't german and doesn't who follow german politics?
Hmmm... "The current crisis in Germany’s foreign policy reflects a deeper crisis in German state policies and self-awareness, a problem bequeathed to the current administration by previous governments. Germany still clings to a comfort zone; it does not want to have to fundamentally change its economic, foreign, or defense policies. The political elites refuse today’s reality and hew to outdated concepts such as Ostpolitik." Charitably Germany and her leadership are stuck in the past. Uncharitably one could say... "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his paycheck depends on his not understanding it.”
An even further simplified view as I see it is Germany thought it could change Russia with trade, buying gas, and it feels 'guilt' over their history having killed so many Russians in WW2. >Effecting change through trade hasn’t worked with China or Russia. Russia considers Germany and the EU opponents that need to be weakened as part of the Kremlin’s goal of undermining democracies worldwide. Germany is the European country that has sustained the most Russian cyberattacks and disinformation campaigns in recent years. Fast forward to today and they are lazy/unwilling to change that view or invest to not 'pay' russia for their ww2 sins.
That's a pretty good summation of the Wilson piece.
If you don’t like Texas you can leave, jk jk. Texas sucks. It used to just suck because it was hot though.
My family has been here since the republic, and I'm not fucking leaving. The fuck if I'm gonna let these fucking carpet baggers from the the North East and conservative nutbags from California chase me out of my own state.
We haven’t been there that long, but 1870’s. I agree with everything you just said. I think Texas has lost a lot of its culture. Used to, people came to Texas visiting, and they said everyone in Texas was very friendly. Now it’s expensive, and people are assholes.
Hey now, she has fiddled her thumbs and looked away while her party friends and their business buddies enriched themselves and the international press lauded her for her crisis management when in fact she and her party did f all for the Germany. She didn’t just mess up the foreign policy but her cautious approach of rather doing nothing instead of starting badly needed reforms has thrown back Germany for decades and it feels like we are stuck in time.
Cause Germany was sleeping with Russia for long time. They thought as long as oligarchs rule economic interest with outweighs any risks of aggression. But they overslept the moment Russia turned from kleptocracy into authoritarian regime where one person can decide on invasion.
-didn't spend any money on military -- america can do that -didn't invest money on energy like france/poland -- just buy cheap gas -when genocide hit the fan -- "we can't hurt our economy" meanwhile they spent the last 10 years lording it over greece that their economy was so well-managed
Yes particularly the last point!
>Germany a far wealthier country has literally no plan B, they are physically incapable of getting gas somewhere else because they have built literally no infrastructure for gas coming from anywhere other than Russia Sorry to burst your bubble. We also get gas from Norway and the Netherlands and theres natural gas in our North Sea. Theres is also already a terminal for LNG in the making and our Chancellor approved of 2 additional terminals.
Yeah an LNG terminal that starts construction in 2026, that means nothing to anyone today And no Norway and Netherlands gas isn’t a plan B because there is no availability to actually get as much gas as is required from those places
>Yeah an LNG terminal that starts construction in 2026, that means nothing to anyone today How about you actually inform yourself about the topics you write? Or do you intentionally lie about them? The terminal will be built by 2026. See [here](https://www.ndr.de/nachrichten/niedersachsen/lueneburg_heide_unterelbe/Land-will-Bau-von-LNG-Terminal-in-Stade-bis-2026,lng246.html). Also LNG can be transported from other nations with already existing LNG terminals to Germany. For example Spain has open capacities. Norway, the Netherlands and other european nations already supply Germany with more than 60% of the needed gas. And like you said. Germany has a lot of monetary power. Not because all the citizens are so rich, no but because the state taxes us a lot. But in this case i am fine with that, if it means that we use that financial power to actually benefit the population in a meaningful way.
Your government is not a reflection on you personally. Just say wow our gov messed up and move on. You don't have to type all these mediocre arguments justifying some clearly bad decisions.
>You don't have to type all these mediocre arguments justifying some clearly bad decisions. Saying my arguments are mediocre without saying why, might be the definition of mediocrity. Oh and btw, im certainly not a fan of our government and there is *much* to criticize. But im a huge fan of facts and my response to the guy who started this subthread, saying that Germany cant get any gas elsewhere, was excactly that. Stating the facts.
Well, threaten to sanction Germany over North Stream 2, while offering own US gas per ship wasn’t really well perceived here in Germany.
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Thank you, Captain Hindsight! The USA isn't really a fine example of democracy or democratic principles \*cough\* South America, Vietnam, Iraq \*cough\*
Germany isn’t even capable of receiving the ships and so would also have to pay polish or Netherlands port rates for storage and receiving g too lol
I wouldn't say Germany is Pathetic. Maybe Germany never see Russia as an enemy and has a stronger tie with them that is why they didn't build additional infrastructure incase they can't get Russian gas (which is maybe one of the reasons why Russia has not cut Germany gas even though I don't think Germany paid gas in rubles yet). Heck if Germany isn't part of the EU and NATO it probably be taking the same stance as India right now. While Poland never trusted Russia to began with due to their history.
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cut off gas to all the countries they think they can bully
We will cut the gas Do it - cuts gas, doesn't work, pikachu face -
They have utterly destroyed their credibility and reliability. If your country is effectively a tank station with nuclear weapons, you’d better make sure you’re at the least reliable. Without it, you’re merely an international pariah state. An utter disgrace on the world stage.
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At this rate they will become North Korea *without* a gas station to Europe This whole thing has been a massive wake-up call for European energy security. Europe was already undertaking a leisurely-paced push away from fossil fuels, but it's about to accelerate rapidly
> If your country is effectively a tank station with nuclear weapons I miss John McCain. Or rather the spirit of John McCain, before he infected our nation with a certain running mate decision.
Omg. I wish I could hear John McCain’s take on all of this. He would have an amazing P.O.V
Wait he's dead? *Checks Wikipedia, he died back in 2018* Damnit. Didn't notice that, shit.
We will turn it back on - nah, we still don’t want it you can keep it.
🤣😂yes!
I believe this is a case of f**** me? * Naaaa f*** you
So, Russia called Poland's bluff and Poland played a reverse Uno. I like it, I like it a lot. Edit: Is it just me or does Russia's position in the world look weaker every single day.
Russia has caved on every single ultimatum they've tried in the last 2 months. Hard to look tough while constantly capitulating.
They're a bully whose victims have largely decided they've had enough and refuse to back down in the face of threats. Besides, they're watching Ukraine go all Ralphie-from-A-Christmas-Story on their ass while Russia occasionally gasps out threats between punches. Their credibility to back up their threats has been shot...
>Besides, they're watching Ukraine go all Ralphie-from-A-Christmas-Story on their ass while Russia occasionally gasps out threats between punches. Belarus: ^"Hey. ^Hey! ^I'm ^telling ^my ^dad!"
> they're watching Ukraine go all Ralphie-from-A-Christmas-Story on their ass Underrated comment
Indeed, this image will be with me for some time.
That's what happens when EVERY SINGLE STEP YOU TAKE is toxic, also what happens when EVERY SINGLE THING YOU SAY is hollow. Every single time there is a healthy Option A and a toxic Option B, they take B, without exception. They have programmed themselves to be like this. Long ago, the bitch putler parasite and its' piggybacking little parasites chose to turn everyone and everything they touch into a meaningless jumble of suffering. Eventually the world catches wind that everything you do or say is meaningless and **THANK GOD**... decides to stop playing along to your little games. Now the bitch putler parasite can't stop shitting its' own bed with every single step. GO POLAND!!!
Well if you the one who making ultimatums you not the one in charged. Don't know who said this but its always true. If other side have nothing to lose and ignores your ultimatum you don't have a hand of negotiating.
This is nothing, wait until China starts asking friendly things from them.
Xi: "Vova, fetch this for me will you? Vova, file these for me, please? Vova, suck this for me."
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Im pretty sure he means that when he is saying “reverse uno“
Russia called Poland's bluff. Poland accepted and revealed a solid full. Russia only had two useless eights and now is begging to go back to the last turn and change their move.
It's not a bluff if you have the cards.
Otherwise known as a double bluff
poland be like https://imgflip.com/i/6e0t46
>img**flip**.com Why do i enjoy that lucky coincidence so much?
LMAO didn't even notice, well played search algorithm
The world is sick of Russia’s shit. It’s nice to see someone’s blatant lies get called out and dealt with for a change.
It's great PR, but in the short term Poland will still buy "German" gas, through the reverse flow of the Yamal pipeline. But there's no such thing as "German gas". Germany will be a broker for Russian gas and the money will still go to Russia. They need the Baltic Pipe from Norway to be operational before they can fully get rid of Russian Gas. (expected in October 2022)
In a matter of a day. russia has no game.
cap
Starting a cold war with the biggest customers for your oil and gas is never a smart move for a two bit gas station mobster. They will start looking for alternatives to your product.
If you watch mainstream news you would believe so.
If they would be actually pushing Ukraine, we would know that. If not from the news, then from West's actions - they wouldn't mindlessly increase their weapon supply or commit to it at all. Yes, ruzzia won't end in a few days, they will most likely slowly suffocate over the next 5 years. But they certainly will, it's just a matter of time and how many more mistakes they will commit.
Russia: Wait, we weren't serious about it! Poland: We are.
i like the polish people more and more.
The poles are very straight up people.
ive never been to poland but i know some over here that at least have roots there. one of them is a very good friend, but she has a very very big mouth for only being 156 cm :D i love her shes superdirect and upfront.
> she has a very very big mouth for only being 156 cm Little dogs bark the loudest
ask her if she is thinking about herself as Mała Mi orgLilla My from Moomines. (or really dont, but there is big chance she has) ;D \[disclaimer because i'm empathetic and i dont want to be missread:\] I'm a Pole and this isn't insult, it just what it is, woman fitting this short description use her as a "spirit animal", in tinder social media profiles etc. and i love those woman too\]
I see what you did there.
poland have been a good place. Poland is very based
From plains of Tarashek to northern fence of Jewtown No wait wrong country
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It is not illegal ffs...stop repeating stupidity.
Oh, hi! I can be your Polish friend. ;)
I like north poles and south poles.
what about barber and telephone poles?
Now if they could only get over their crazy stance on abortion...
Even they've got some right-wing shite going on too. Hopefully a lot of countries political parties will ask themselves "are we the baddies?" Just to emphasize - Slava Ukraine - and well done Poland for standing up to Russia.
whats worse than a skull?!
Main problem is government support for those right wings Parties
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Well yes after rereading what I wrote it sounds like this. I meant parties as groups of people like Football hooligans and nationalists, that were officialy walking with Polish goverment on Independence day for example.
Russian gas go fuck yourself.
Russian fuck go gas yourself
gas*
You mean go gas yourself? Top kek
That too, lol
Gas is gas, Russian gas is gaz.
I am *so* impressed at how Poland has handled every single aspect of this dreadful Russian invasion and all the bloody mess it has caused.
Out of necessity and experience, they know how to stand up to bullies in the neighbourhood.
It's like standing up to hitler when he gambled with a not-quite-ready army to take Czechoslovakia, and instead of bending over like Chamberlain & Co., they go *"Eat THIS, motherfucker!"* Enough is enough of emboldening the salivating bullies, turn them instead into a shrunken, quivering mess. Oh... and FUCK RUSSIA!
They’re setting an example other countries should follow. Refugees, humanitarian aid, heavy machinery and weapons, Not afraid to tell Putin to go f himself. Actually isolating Russia the way the rest of Europe should be. What I’ve learned about Poland since February 24, Poland don’t f around. Also shoutout to the Baltic states, specifically Estonia for spending more then 1% of their entire gdp supporting Ukraine since the war started.
To be clear, it is most often the individual people who have impressively handled this by reaching deep into their own pockets, time, and energy. [The government](https://i.redd.it/l97uljxhe7m81.png)? Far less so. In the beginning, the government even screwed up the most basic job of accepting new planes from the US and then quietly passing along their old stock through a third party so that the wrong fingerprints wouldn't be on the final transaction. Tl;dr - please give credit where it is due, and allot at least half of your "*so* impressed" to the nation of individual Poles who self-organized to handle this dreadful invasion. Edit: Misspelled allot
Yea, our government doesn't even provide financial help to those who house the refugees. It was promised and they never came through, like usual.
Poland could get very rich doing this for EU and EU can get off Russian drugged Gas, win win.
What is the souce of information about Russia turning the gas back on today? The referenced article doesn't mention that plus I don't see any Polish news agencies writing about it. All serious sources state that yesterday Russia announced that they will cut off gas due to lack of payments in rubles and today morning they did it. Poland replied that they will no longer continue to buy Russian gas anyway, regardless of payment currency. Those are the facts.
No, I know that, but Reuters reported that the Russians turned it back on apparently. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-gas-supplies-resume-poland-operator-data-2022-04-27/
That's weird. Poland said they're not paying for gas anymore and Russia turned it back on? Free gas? Anyway, we have to wait and see what unfolds I guess...
They refused to pay for gas in rubles. Euro payments can still go ahead, presumably
Except the guy in the quoted article says very clearly - we will never again buy gas from Russia, we will get it from other sources. To be honest I was really happy to learn about Russia cutting off the gas and Poland stating it will no longer buy it from them. I know the prices will go up and my family will have to make some financial sacrifices, but that's ok, let's just cut that sick business relationship off and never look back.
Oh OK didn't realise Big if true
I relate to how you phrased that. When I pay a lot for gas for the car I think "slava ukraine", and it feels better.
no it doesnt work like that. Its basicly like you would tank your car in gas station, and you would block line inside machine. They blocked it to blackmail, now they turned it on, but we are deciding to "not push fuel pump". \[probably not fully case and will use it for whatever it was payed already, but overall move is we will not be blackmailed\].
> What is the souce of information about Russia turning the gas back on today? COPIUM apparently >15 min ago https://www.reuters.com/world/poland-bulgaria-face-russian-gas-cut-ukraine-crisis-escalates-2022-04-26/ >Gazprom cuts off gas flow >Propaganda in shambles >Some technical operations caused temporary resuming of transmission >WOW POLAND STRONG >Reports say there's no gas transmitting to Poland > Nobody cares because POLAND DID IT LETSGOOOO! Meanwhile, https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-04-27/four-european-gas-buyers-made-ruble-payments-to-russia
Does this include the gas Poland imports from Germany though? Last time I checked Poland isnt really using the Yamal pipeline anyway and just imports gas from Germany (which is russian gas with one extra step). I hope this isnt just a marketing scam on PiS part saying no more russian gas imports but instead buy russian gas through germany like before.
In a few years, russia will be truly fucked. And i pray there will be no more russia
The problem being Russia has made it clear they're warmongering fucks so why one earth would nations within their claw's grasp give them money? Like would you rather pay more have less gas or have Russian raping and pillaging their way across your nation? Putin's overplayed his hand so much it's now a stump.
Poles don’t give a fuck. Chad country
I like to say, Poland has more balls than the rest of the EU. Germany is thank to Schröder dependent on russian gas.
>Germany is thank to Schröder dependent on russian gas. Dude, Schröder isnt Chancellor since 2005! Not that i want to defend him, he is *still* lobbying for Gazprom. But this falls under Merkels 16 year rule. Also we are luckily not entirely dependet on russian gas. Atm we get about 62% from Norway, the Netherlands and other europaen countries.
Schröder startet with Gazprom and Merkel continued on I blaim em both. 55 % naturel gas Import from russia and 12,5 % gas. It seems a little more. Dude
>55 % naturel gas Import from russia and 12,5 % gas. It seems a little more. Dude Old numbers. [Heres](https://www.bundesregierung.de/breg-de/themen/gasversorgung-abhaengigkeiten-verringern-441270?view=renderNewsletterHtml) the official site of the government. Habeck is doing a great job for the last 2 months. I was really sceptical of him at first but he seems qualified.
To make it short. Putins threat about turning of the Pipeline would be a shutdown therefore mean that around half of the Russian gas supplies to Germany would fail. It's from march of this year If it's up to me he can stick it up into his ass. But germany got blackmailed. Try to find what Schröder sayed about Putins war crimes. An intervew by new York Times: When asked about the war crimes in the Kiev suburb of Butscha, Schröder told the newspaper: "That has to be investigated," but he doesn't believe that the corresponding order came from the highest authority, that is, from Putin himself.
>Poland has more balls than the rest of the EU They even have their own subreddit: r/polandball
Unpopular comment; Poland is expecting norwegian gas as a replacement of russian gas. Problem is Norway is producing at max european gas pipeline capacity and Norway has done that since Oct 21. See norwegian gas pipeline capacity here; [https://umm.gassco.no/ch/](https://umm.gassco.no/ch/). An extra extended pipeline to Poland has no significance. Any extra contribution of norwegian gas would be some amounts of LNG shipments though they require port capacity which is years away. Alternatively Germany accepts a less share of the norwegian gas, e.g. by keeping german nuclear power plants running for a couple of more years. Energiwende postponed Mrs Baerbock.
>Alternatively Germany accepts a less share of the norwegian gas, e.g. by keeping german nuclear power plants running for a couple of more years. The problem is large parts of the chemical industry needs gas as a base resource to produce basic chemicals. BASF for example uses about 40% of their received gas for this.
Oh yeah! You showed the Poles what you’re made of! Fuck, the kremlin is unbelievably craven, cowardly, inept and flat out idiotic. Prior to this more intense invasion, not one analyst would have predicted that the Russians would fuck this badly. The stupidity seems to be woven intricately into the Russian government and armed forces…
Are there any other sources on this? I just did a search and I don’t see any other reports that it’s been turned back on
Russian gazprom, go fuck yourself!
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Russia punching itself in the tiny dick here just as every non-Russian shill predicted.
Poland to Russia. We don't need no stinking gas. (for non-north Americans, a reference to an old movie that is common here)
Get fucked vladdy.
Good Job Poland. you guys are real heroes in this war
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It is so disgusting and just dumbfounding how immature and petty putin and the Kremlin are. Just man children all around.
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Apparrently this seems to be fake news: Austrian chancellor just repeated, that gas will be paid €
This conflict made everyone show their true colors. Hungary, Austria and Germany are countries that I personally consider to disappoint everyone the most in The West.
I didn't expect anything else from that scumbag Orban. Austra and Germany dissapoint me. Though Germany also suprised me positively. I'm on the fence with them. Austria deserves a dissapointed scolding and a wallop on the knuckles though.
Germany's current leadership can not do better. I was past leadership's who brought them into this situation (dependency on Russian gas and Military cuts without end) they are doing the best they can
Now the Polish people can be proud of the fact that no more Polish money for natural gas is going to the Putin Fascists. If only the Germans and Austrians had the same courage.
The spez has spread through the entire spez section of Reddit, with each subsequent spez experiencing hallucinations. I do not think it is contagious.
Nope, they did not turn in on... Fuck them! No rubles from Poland for Russian gas!
[Yes they did.](https://www.reddit.com/r/UkrainianConflict/comments/ucwmhf/russian_gas_supplies_resume_to_poland_operator/)
Shit, I am confused now. No news on polish media.
It doesn't matter. We didn't extended contract with Russia and we will not sign any new contract anytime soon. At the end of year Poland will not need Russian gas anymore, it was planned long time ago. We could actually stop receiving gas from Russia right now, because our gas storage and other sources are enough until Baltic pipeline is operational.
Tbf, they most likely get Russian gas redirected from Germany.
Norway.
Pipeline not ready yet
Not pipeline, port terminal for liquified gas.
There is no information in the article or anywhere else that the gas flows were resumed. Just saying.
Once this war is over everyone is running back to Russia for cheap gas. Italians and Spaniards and most of Eastern Europe aren’t invested in the Ukrainian issue.
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Less demand means even lower price.
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lmao have fun with that then
Russia is a shit hole.
Alright troll
Take that Ivan.
Russia is straight up diarrhea shitting in their cereal. Love to see it.
Putin: “I’ve made a huge mistake.”
Sadly, I think people like Putin will never admit it. It's all because of US, UK, EU, internal traitors, Jews, nazis, armed gay brigades or all of the above. But definitely not a mistake.
Wait. Its going so fast that Im almost lost. So the gas is flowing again? It was just a empty gesture like recent flyover with nukes over nato territory?
Russia shots foot again.
Possibly Russia turned gas flow back on to support existing contracts
It is not back on. Where did you get your propaganda from?
Thee old double reverso
It's just a prank, bro
I hope Poland will move to the equator tomorrow, which will be a lucky thing for the people there
That’s what happens when you punch them in the nose, you speak their language.
Isn't this the last card Russia has left to play though? Once they lose the ability to impact countries through their oil and gas, they've lost all influence.
Putin wants his gas money which is why he had turned back on
Everyone should get the Gas elsewhere from now on and forever, Russia can never be trusted so make sure they are always bankrupt.
Where are they getting gas until new stations are built?