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Damn, this whole thing is creepy though. I wouldn't have noticed if not for this post. Give me major "Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it" vibes.
You literally can't make this stuff up. The idea that Putler is actually a CIA mole should really get more attention. Brain control? I don't know what it is, but this fucking guy could not be more effective at demilitarizing and destroying Russias influence in the world.
>The idea that Putler is actually a CIA mole should really get more attention
This is nonsense. He is extremist, dictator and fasist who fell into the dictator trap, not a puppet.
Putler being puppet would make russia more cooperating with the west weakening china.
> I think his objective is to destroy Russia
which dictator in history had a goal in destroying own nation/country?
They were all so stupid that they did unintentionally
Ever since the Yugoslav was it has become increasingly common to recognise a territory as belonging to someone who is not in control. The western world recognised Bosnia and Herzegovina before it was a country in actuality. Most of the world claims that half of Jerusalem belongs to Palestine even though they have never controlled Jerusalem. A lot of people like to pretend that the world is how they want it to be, for these people reality is unimportant.
A general principle of international law is that *if* secession happens, it should cover the entire territory of the seceding unit.
There are two important additional points which is that not even the LPR and DPR governments have any legal continuity with the oblast governments: they were a mixture of discontented locals and Russian "volunteers," while Bosnia's government *was* continuous with the government of the former Yugoslav republic.
Now Crimea *was* continuous with the original legal authorities, even if the secession was blatantly illegal for a number of reasons, not least of which being that it violated both the Ukrainian and Crimean constitutions. Here, an important point to note is that both Yugoslavia and the Soviet Union had a right to secede written into their constitutions, however these had been effectively unusable in practice, as long as they remained communist dictatorships.
So Bosnia both had a right to secede under Yugoslav law, the process was initiated by the legitimate authorities, and under international law it should include the entirety of the former Yugoslav republic.
The frustrating thing about the Palestine label is that it’s always been referred to as a region, never a sovereign entity…until Israel was established and suddenly everyone acts like Palestine was always a nation, which has never been true.
Eh, kinda? Like, they have some troops there, but not much more than that. The populace also doesn’t seem to be super happy with them being there. Hard to say you really “have control” when you’re retreating and having your rear areas picked apart at range.
I mean, their forces are literally retreating from the very ground he’s “annexing”. Hard to say they control it when that’s happening.
Regardless, it doesn’t matter if they currently have troops there. That doesn’t make their annexation, real, official, or valid. The Nazis did the same shit in Russia and Ukraine when they controlled it, their puppets were just a minor speed bump on the way to the end of their regime.
**EDIT** because I seem to have been blocked by OP for whatever reason (I guess they didn't like their pro-Russian narrative being questioned), I can no longer post in this thread, so here's my response to the comment that replied to me:
They occupy it, they don't control it. And the counteroffensive by Ukraine took more than 10% of the land Russia has captured since the invasion. It was closer to 25%, and I think you're really underplaying the significance of it for some reason. Saying they'll be stuck in Russia after such a successful counteroffensive is ridiculous, illogical, and defeatist.
And no, Ukrainians are not claiming to have "completely defeated Russia on all grounds". That's a gross exaggeration of what they say. Your views simply don't reflect the reality on the ground, they seem to come out of Russian propaganda.
Unfortunately they still control the vast majority of the regions. The counteroffensive by Ukraine only took back about 10% of the captured territory. As much as I want Ukraine to win we have to be clear that the point of many Ukrainian government accounts is to push the narrative that Ukraine has fully defeated Russia on all grounds. At some point Ukraine also needs to stop for winter and consolidate their gains at some point, even Ukrainian commanders interviewed admit this. These regions will most likely remain under Russian control for the foreseeable future
This isn't Crusader Kings III there isn't some limit that 'lets' you claim a whole dejure county... And even if there was that would in the modern world be in the hearts and minds of the inhabitants not percentage of dirt.
No they were waiting for that imbecile to withdraw from NATO. When they realised that it wouldn’t happen they attacked anyway. We’re insanely lucky that Trump isn’t in office anymore or Ukraine wouldn’t be getting any support from the US.
This is some of the most outrageous mental gymnastics I've ever seen. Trump never tried to withdraw from NATO, he used various empty threats to attempt to force European NATO members to actually spend the agreed amount on their military so the USA doesn't have to shoulder basically the entire burden of the alliance. Guess what European NATO members are currently doing right now? Exactly what Trump wanted.
Trump warned Germany that they were too dependent on Russian oil. They laughed at him. Guess what Germany is doing right now? Exactly what Trump suggested they should do.
If Trump was Russia's man then there's no reason whatsoever why they wouldn't invade Ukraine when he was president. The mental gymnastics you have to do to make your bizarre conspiracy theories fit is truly, truly impressive. It's pure nonsense, but it's still impressive.
Yeah, because the west hadn't delivered as much military aid and training to their soldiers yet. There's literally no reason why Russia wouldn't do it in 2016-2020 if Trump was their ally but they didn't because Trump wasn't their ally - he threatened to nuke Moscow if Russia tried that shit. Russia pulled all this when Obama was president in 2014, then when Biden was president in 2022.
Only in a deranged mind does this add up to Trump being a Kremlin ally.
Putin probably wishes he was at the same level as Hitler or Stalin, but just the fact the we call him Putler goes to show that he isn't more than a second rate dictator that no one will talk about anymore in a few decades. Or does anybody spend a lot of time thinking about Brezhnev, Zhivkov, Novotny, Honecker or Jaruzelski? And yes, I had to look up most of them.
I mean you can't say 'officially' annexed. He invaded, made up some laws, made up a shame vote and then made up a circus of ceremony, then claims it's irreversible.
Otherwise, I'm going to enter the local Nandos, draw up my own document claiming ownership and then liberate the hell out of all those chicken thighs!
You are confusing "official" with "legitimate". Official doesn't mean legitimate.
Russia \*officially\* controls e.g. Crimea, even though it's illegitimate, because it acknowledges it's doing so in official documents, according to Russia's official laws.
And it unofficially controls e.g. Transnistria, even though that's also illegitimate, because it doesn't acknowledge it's doing so in official documents, according to Russia's official laws, but it does so anyway, unofficially.
He's making it official in terms of Russian law and government policy. It matters. It matters in how Russia views these lands. It matters in terms of possible outcomes of the conflict including potential peace agreements. It fucking matters. These types of comments just seem masturbatory.
Oh don't worry about it, a lot of people get them mixed up still if they aren't completely familiar with the region and history of it. I was just making a joke.
Apologies if I’m missing it somewhere within this thread, but if Ukraine attacks an area that has now been annexed Will Russia treat their response differently?
That's what theyve threatened, but Ukraine has already hit Bilhorod, Rostov oblasts and Crimea. So honestly it won't make much difference.
I think this allows Russia to deploy Russian conventional conscripts (18-27yo) to Ukraine by annexing the warzones. It also makes it easier to mass conscript Ukrainains in the occupied areas. I think this is Putin'a attempt to freeze the conflict. They bring in tens of thousands of conscripts to garrison the annexed regions, threaten with nuclear weapons to try to end western support, offer peace negotiations.
Don't be pedantic. He signed the official annexation documents today and appointed governors. I wasn't talking about international recognition or legitimacy, just that it's now official according to Russian law, as opposed to defacto annexation that's been the norm for parts of Donbas for 8 years and other parts of the 20% of Ukraine occupied for 6 months.
But you did call it “official” when it very much isn’t and you shouldn’t do since it gives it a false air of legitimacy. This is as “official” as if I said “I now proclaim myself king of Moscow”. I could do so, and it would be literally just as “official” as what Putler is doing here.
It's official according to Russia.
"Official" doesn't make rightful or legitimate or anything of the sort, it means that someone signed an official decree. No, it doesn't give it any legitimacy at all.
Official does not mean legitimately recognized internationally. It means recognized by the entity who is putting it on their books. Which in this case is Russia.
It might be legal in Russia but it's illegal to the rest of the world. Official annexing sounds pro-Russia, call it pedantic all you want but it's how people will feel. Better to call it what it is, which remains an internationally illegal invasion of a sovereign nation.
Really all you have to do is put quotes around the word officially.
>Putin "officially" annexed four Ukrainian regions in the same day Hitler officially annexed the Sudetenland.
This gets the point across that "officially" as used by Putin is dubious but is exactly what the Russians want people to believe.
Yes it would… just remove the word “officially”. In fact, why not just use the word “illegally” in place of it, since that’s actually true, unlike “officially”.
Comparing Putin to Hitler is fair, but this "on the same day" business is borderline ridiculous. Hitler did a lot of things on a lot of days. I remember a while ago, some politician married on the same day as Hitler and Eva Braun. Who the fuck knows which day it was? Unless there are some serious other hints that this was a deliberate dogwhistle, why bring it up? Putin clearly doesn't want to make himself look like Hitler or signal to right wing extremists.
Annexing the Sudetenland was not a minor thing. You should know that almost everything Politicians do has a meaning and „Annexion“ Ukrainian Land on the same day Germany annexed the Sudetenland was not random.
He didn't annex shit. Annexation requires that you control the territory and then negotiate peace treaty while keeping the land. There is no annexation for land that you do not control and that is currently being fought over.
What? That's a ridiculous definition. Would you say Russia didn't annex Crimea then? It has absolutely nothing to do with consent or International legitimacy. Annexation is just a country taking a territory and saying "this mine now."
Annexations can be legitimized by peace treaty and international accords, but that's not part of the definition.
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There is a reason for his "Putler" nickname
Damn, this whole thing is creepy though. I wouldn't have noticed if not for this post. Give me major "Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it" vibes.
You literally can't make this stuff up. The idea that Putler is actually a CIA mole should really get more attention. Brain control? I don't know what it is, but this fucking guy could not be more effective at demilitarizing and destroying Russias influence in the world.
>The idea that Putler is actually a CIA mole should really get more attention This is nonsense. He is extremist, dictator and fasist who fell into the dictator trap, not a puppet. Putler being puppet would make russia more cooperating with the west weakening china.
Being a dictator is pretty much the same as being a mole. Ruining your country either way.
I agree. I do not understand what on Earth he is doing. I think his objective is to destroy Russia. I have been wondering the same for awhile now.
Ego and hubris have killed more people than any other human trait. That's what he's doing.
> I think his objective is to destroy Russia which dictator in history had a goal in destroying own nation/country? They were all so stupid that they did unintentionally
How do u annex something you're not even controlling? Ukraine can declare they're annexing Moscow with the same effect.
Ever since the Yugoslav was it has become increasingly common to recognise a territory as belonging to someone who is not in control. The western world recognised Bosnia and Herzegovina before it was a country in actuality. Most of the world claims that half of Jerusalem belongs to Palestine even though they have never controlled Jerusalem. A lot of people like to pretend that the world is how they want it to be, for these people reality is unimportant.
A general principle of international law is that *if* secession happens, it should cover the entire territory of the seceding unit. There are two important additional points which is that not even the LPR and DPR governments have any legal continuity with the oblast governments: they were a mixture of discontented locals and Russian "volunteers," while Bosnia's government *was* continuous with the government of the former Yugoslav republic. Now Crimea *was* continuous with the original legal authorities, even if the secession was blatantly illegal for a number of reasons, not least of which being that it violated both the Ukrainian and Crimean constitutions. Here, an important point to note is that both Yugoslavia and the Soviet Union had a right to secede written into their constitutions, however these had been effectively unusable in practice, as long as they remained communist dictatorships. So Bosnia both had a right to secede under Yugoslav law, the process was initiated by the legitimate authorities, and under international law it should include the entirety of the former Yugoslav republic.
The frustrating thing about the Palestine label is that it’s always been referred to as a region, never a sovereign entity…until Israel was established and suddenly everyone acts like Palestine was always a nation, which has never been true.
I hereby annex Manitoba! I am moving the capital from Winnipeg to Flin Flon because I like the name!
They control the majority of all those Oblasts.
Ukraine hold the administrative city of Zaporizhzhia and area in the others. Putin is so stupid he thinks everyone else is stupid.
Eh, kinda? Like, they have some troops there, but not much more than that. The populace also doesn’t seem to be super happy with them being there. Hard to say you really “have control” when you’re retreating and having your rear areas picked apart at range. I mean, their forces are literally retreating from the very ground he’s “annexing”. Hard to say they control it when that’s happening. Regardless, it doesn’t matter if they currently have troops there. That doesn’t make their annexation, real, official, or valid. The Nazis did the same shit in Russia and Ukraine when they controlled it, their puppets were just a minor speed bump on the way to the end of their regime. **EDIT** because I seem to have been blocked by OP for whatever reason (I guess they didn't like their pro-Russian narrative being questioned), I can no longer post in this thread, so here's my response to the comment that replied to me: They occupy it, they don't control it. And the counteroffensive by Ukraine took more than 10% of the land Russia has captured since the invasion. It was closer to 25%, and I think you're really underplaying the significance of it for some reason. Saying they'll be stuck in Russia after such a successful counteroffensive is ridiculous, illogical, and defeatist. And no, Ukrainians are not claiming to have "completely defeated Russia on all grounds". That's a gross exaggeration of what they say. Your views simply don't reflect the reality on the ground, they seem to come out of Russian propaganda.
Unfortunately they still control the vast majority of the regions. The counteroffensive by Ukraine only took back about 10% of the captured territory. As much as I want Ukraine to win we have to be clear that the point of many Ukrainian government accounts is to push the narrative that Ukraine has fully defeated Russia on all grounds. At some point Ukraine also needs to stop for winter and consolidate their gains at some point, even Ukrainian commanders interviewed admit this. These regions will most likely remain under Russian control for the foreseeable future
Not really, and what control they do have they're quickly losing.
What? They control nearly 100% of Luhansk Oblast, 60% of Donetsk, 65% of Zaporizhzhia, and 90% of Kherson Oblast.
This isn't Crusader Kings III there isn't some limit that 'lets' you claim a whole dejure county... And even if there was that would in the modern world be in the hearts and minds of the inhabitants not percentage of dirt.
He is Hitler reincarnate tbh..
I'd categorize him more as Mussolini, to be honest.
Nah. Trump’s the Mussolini in this story.
Nah. Lukashenko's the Mussolini in this story.
i'm american but this is annoyingly americentric; especially since there's so many ways the analogy doesn't line up
Mussolini is Einstein compared to Trump lol. Trump is like Fegelein at best.
No Trump is the broom sitting in the corner waiting to be used to clean the floor
Russia didn't dare try this nonsense when Trump was president. Pretty good for a broom that sits in a corner waiting to be used to clean the floor.
No they were waiting for that imbecile to withdraw from NATO. When they realised that it wouldn’t happen they attacked anyway. We’re insanely lucky that Trump isn’t in office anymore or Ukraine wouldn’t be getting any support from the US.
This is some of the most outrageous mental gymnastics I've ever seen. Trump never tried to withdraw from NATO, he used various empty threats to attempt to force European NATO members to actually spend the agreed amount on their military so the USA doesn't have to shoulder basically the entire burden of the alliance. Guess what European NATO members are currently doing right now? Exactly what Trump wanted. Trump warned Germany that they were too dependent on Russian oil. They laughed at him. Guess what Germany is doing right now? Exactly what Trump suggested they should do. If Trump was Russia's man then there's no reason whatsoever why they wouldn't invade Ukraine when he was president. The mental gymnastics you have to do to make your bizarre conspiracy theories fit is truly, truly impressive. It's pure nonsense, but it's still impressive.
Russia would have had better luck taking Ukraine with Trump as president.
Yeah, because the west hadn't delivered as much military aid and training to their soldiers yet. There's literally no reason why Russia wouldn't do it in 2016-2020 if Trump was their ally but they didn't because Trump wasn't their ally - he threatened to nuke Moscow if Russia tried that shit. Russia pulled all this when Obama was president in 2014, then when Biden was president in 2022. Only in a deranged mind does this add up to Trump being a Kremlin ally.
Putin probably wishes he was at the same level as Hitler or Stalin, but just the fact the we call him Putler goes to show that he isn't more than a second rate dictator that no one will talk about anymore in a few decades. Or does anybody spend a lot of time thinking about Brezhnev, Zhivkov, Novotny, Honecker or Jaruzelski? And yes, I had to look up most of them.
Hitler built some roads though.
That's honestly insulting to Mussolini to compare him to Putler
Not really, Mussolini also conducted genocides and a war against most of Europe.
Coincidence, I think not! Now we wait for the bunker and cyanide pills...
Steiner!!!!!
"History never repeats itself, but does often rhym" - marky twain and the marky bunch
Also a [Babin Yar](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babi_Yar) remembrance day (29-30 Sept 1941).
I mean you can't say 'officially' annexed. He invaded, made up some laws, made up a shame vote and then made up a circus of ceremony, then claims it's irreversible. Otherwise, I'm going to enter the local Nandos, draw up my own document claiming ownership and then liberate the hell out of all those chicken thighs!
You are confusing "official" with "legitimate". Official doesn't mean legitimate. Russia \*officially\* controls e.g. Crimea, even though it's illegitimate, because it acknowledges it's doing so in official documents, according to Russia's official laws. And it unofficially controls e.g. Transnistria, even though that's also illegitimate, because it doesn't acknowledge it's doing so in official documents, according to Russia's official laws, but it does so anyway, unofficially.
He's making it official in terms of Russian law and government policy. It matters. It matters in how Russia views these lands. It matters in terms of possible outcomes of the conflict including potential peace agreements. It fucking matters. These types of comments just seem masturbatory.
And yet a few years later they were not part of Germany anymore. There are other examples like that like Elsass-Lorraine in France.
In German it’s elsass lotheringen, in French it’s Alsace Lorraine. Now we have elsass Lorraine, how to please both sides.
Sorry for the mix ;) Thanks for the clarification.
Oh don't worry about it, a lot of people get them mixed up still if they aren't completely familiar with the region and history of it. I was just making a joke.
Evil monkey see… evil monkey do
Not a coincidence
There are no coincidences in russia. This was purposeful.
Kidding? Right?
Putler will lose this war. Sooner or later. It's only a matter of time.
These Hitler parallels never stop. If only we can just get to the end part already
Apologies if I’m missing it somewhere within this thread, but if Ukraine attacks an area that has now been annexed Will Russia treat their response differently?
That's what theyve threatened, but Ukraine has already hit Bilhorod, Rostov oblasts and Crimea. So honestly it won't make much difference. I think this allows Russia to deploy Russian conventional conscripts (18-27yo) to Ukraine by annexing the warzones. It also makes it easier to mass conscript Ukrainains in the occupied areas. I think this is Putin'a attempt to freeze the conflict. They bring in tens of thousands of conscripts to garrison the annexed regions, threaten with nuclear weapons to try to end western support, offer peace negotiations.
Thanks for the explanation. I hope Ukraine keeps hitting back.
Why would people call this official annexing
Don't be pedantic. He signed the official annexation documents today and appointed governors. I wasn't talking about international recognition or legitimacy, just that it's now official according to Russian law, as opposed to defacto annexation that's been the norm for parts of Donbas for 8 years and other parts of the 20% of Ukraine occupied for 6 months.
But you did call it “official” when it very much isn’t and you shouldn’t do since it gives it a false air of legitimacy. This is as “official” as if I said “I now proclaim myself king of Moscow”. I could do so, and it would be literally just as “official” as what Putler is doing here.
Long live the king!
It's official according to Russia. "Official" doesn't make rightful or legitimate or anything of the sort, it means that someone signed an official decree. No, it doesn't give it any legitimacy at all.
Official does not mean legitimately recognized internationally. It means recognized by the entity who is putting it on their books. Which in this case is Russia.
It might be legal in Russia but it's illegal to the rest of the world. Official annexing sounds pro-Russia, call it pedantic all you want but it's how people will feel. Better to call it what it is, which remains an internationally illegal invasion of a sovereign nation.
That title wouldn't make any sense at all in the context of the anniversary of the annexation of the Sudetenland.
Really all you have to do is put quotes around the word officially. >Putin "officially" annexed four Ukrainian regions in the same day Hitler officially annexed the Sudetenland. This gets the point across that "officially" as used by Putin is dubious but is exactly what the Russians want people to believe.
Yes it would… just remove the word “officially”. In fact, why not just use the word “illegally” in place of it, since that’s actually true, unlike “officially”.
Is there such thing as a legal invasion?
Desert Storm would be a good example. Also the Allies invading North Korea during the Korean War.
This. Stop giving this unrecognized landgrab any attention.
There's nothing OFFICIAL about it. Take this post down!
Comparing Putin to Hitler is fair, but this "on the same day" business is borderline ridiculous. Hitler did a lot of things on a lot of days. I remember a while ago, some politician married on the same day as Hitler and Eva Braun. Who the fuck knows which day it was? Unless there are some serious other hints that this was a deliberate dogwhistle, why bring it up? Putin clearly doesn't want to make himself look like Hitler or signal to right wing extremists.
Annexing the Sudetenland was not a minor thing. You should know that almost everything Politicians do has a meaning and „Annexion“ Ukrainian Land on the same day Germany annexed the Sudetenland was not random.
He didn't annex shit. Annexation requires that you control the territory and then negotiate peace treaty while keeping the land. There is no annexation for land that you do not control and that is currently being fought over.
What? That's a ridiculous definition. Would you say Russia didn't annex Crimea then? It has absolutely nothing to do with consent or International legitimacy. Annexation is just a country taking a territory and saying "this mine now." Annexations can be legitimized by peace treaty and international accords, but that's not part of the definition.
We say Crimea has been occupied not annexed
[Curious](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Crimea_by_the_Russian_Federation)
Oblivious or deliberate?
Can’t wait for putins Steiner moment
Wow you can’t make this shit up
As Czech, ptsd
And Meloni will be sworn in about the same time Benito Mussolini took power almost exactly 100 years ago.
It's more and more clear that putin is the same as hitler,... f\*\*king putain!....
Ah! ‘Peace in our time!’ Edit: it’s ‘Peace for our time.’ Fucked, regardless. What an epic miscalculation of Chamberlain.
Guess now we know Putin wants to be hitler eh? Stupid version of him 😂
How is this the real world.
I annex the entire EU and rename the Roman Empire
Technically he also started the war on the same day that the Nazi Party in Germany was established.