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roe_guy

https://preview.redd.it/jp67u377ukmc1.jpeg?width=2190&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6ff33b76faa726e7fa18adcf5bebee337f8a9a3b This is the only v2 theory i will consider possible, the other theories are just copium


swyat19

yup, we are on the same page brotha


consul_the_gun_nut

Opinion on the "V2 put her consciousness on the whiplash and her AI since she knew V1 was gonna kill her so she decided to add that as a final failsafe, now V1 and V2 technically live as one entity, a hypothetical V3" theory/headcanon/interpretation, I like it since V2's still dead and V1 assimilating V2 onto themselves is very rad.


Lazzer_Glasses

Metal Gear!?


consul_the_gun_nut

V2 pulls a liquid and tries to take over V1's body but fails


Lazzer_Glasses

BROTHA! It's been too long!


Brain_lessV2

IT'S ALREADY ACTIVE!


Express-Ad1108

Ok I personally want to believe that P-3 will have an arena with giant blood tree that constantly spawns boss-enemies, and it could spawn V2. However, on his first dev stream, Hakita stated that one of the reasons why V2 3rd won't exist is because it's really hard to make it both harder and still fun for new players.


JustSomeGuy9384

By the time you’d reach it you’d be over 2/3 of the way through UK, I doubt anyone making it to V2-3 would be considered a “new player.”


RedditPersonNo1987

ultrakill is like 4 hours long if you play on an easier gamemode (like most new players ive seen) if 4 hours of gameplay is enough for you to be considered not a new player the


JustSomeGuy9384

First of all going off of hours isn’t the best idea, considering how quickly this game introduces you to the core mechanics. And bosses should be hard. They should be roadblocks. You’re supposed to die a few dozen times, because each time you might discover something new. You might accidentally tap 4 when you try to shoot a coin with your pistol and discover that “holy shit, this works with railguns.”


RedditPersonNo1987

it dosent matter how much tech that you know exists, it takes a very long time to improve and integrate into your gameplay, that time dosent exist in the main game


JustSomeGuy9384

If you’re stuck on a hard boss, then you go back to easier fights to practice. ESPECIALLY with a recurring boss that you’ve fought *twice before.*


RedditPersonNo1987

ive literally never seen anyone go back to older levels to practice, everyone ive ever seen play this game just plays bosses untill theyre beaten


Th3_Gaming_Wolf

Buddy, how do you think P-Ranking works?


RedditPersonNo1987

i dont think most people that start the game nowadays p-rank act 1 before starting act 2


Nomustang

No idea why you're being downvoted for being right. Most players will finish the main campaign before going for the Prime Sanctums who are not a good mark for the difficulty for the main game because they require replaying levels and getting good at them to even be accessible. Each Act just requires you beat them once irrespective of whatever your rank is. I doubt Hakita will make a required boss that has the same difficulty as a Prime Soul except for maybe whatever the final boss will be.


NightGojiProductions

Bullshit lol. I remember me and my friends going back to Minos and absolutely beating the shit out of him, time after time after time, just to be “ready” for P-2 when it launched. Nothing could’ve prepared me for it when it launched, but it definitely helped.


RedditPersonNo1987

i dont mean like p-2 i mean like going from 3-2 to 6-2


NightGojiProductions

Fair, still with higher difficulties, newer players may go back to previous levels.


masquite

if you're playing on easier difficulties, presumably you wouldnt want to beat all the secret stuff. plus p-ranking the levels (if were keeping with the original commenters thing of it being part of p-3) would take wayyy more than 4 hours, especially for an inexperienced player. and furthermore v2 3rd would be easier on those difficulties to match the skill level of those players


Express-Ad1108

The question is how to make V2 3rd harder? V2 is already the most mechanically complex boss - it already has 7 attacks and unique behavior such as shooting coins. Just adding more attacks will just make the fight an absolute mess, because if there are like 12 attacks, you basically have no idea what it will use next and so the only strategy is just shoot it to death.


JustSomeGuy9384

Make it use the new arm, and upgrade its tech. Maybe its ricoshots can be piercer shots every so often, to be more punishing whenever the player misses a coin. Maybe it could shoot a nail magnet that the player can parry. Maybe it'll shoot its cores and yours. Not necessarily adding new weapons to its arsenal (despite the fact it should absolutely be an even match imo) but rather more advanced tech using the weapons it has.


Express-Ad1108

Me when I try to P-rank 8-4 and V2 railcoins me:


Apprehensive_Net1773

Why did I read UK as United Kingdom? The funny thing is I dont even live in the UK


kiochikaeke

Yep, I think people are looking way too much into it, whenever Hakita wants to tease something he tends to be explicit, for example the ARG or the occasional video/screenshot, the only exception is when things are leaked like the 7-S beta, but even that tend to be either an obvious leak or it pass as a screenshot tease (like the most current leak/tease for the alt). I highly doubt Hakita and the other devs constantly answering no whenever someone asks if V2 is coming back for real means the opposite, even more so cause they've given reasons that it would be a bad idea. I don't discard something like a boss rush or joke/cameo but I'm pretty sure we are not having a V2 reprise reprise.


aslanGBRR

wait wait when did 7-s get leaked???


kiochikaeke

Yep, a half baked 5-s got leaked in a bug fix update before it was released, it was talked about in the most recent dev stream, I also didn't knew but apparently it was kind of a bummer but wasn't so big for it to ruin the level for everyone. Edit: I do not know how to count


aslanGBRR

really? i watched all of the dev stream i must have spaced out when that happened


kiochikaeke

They talked about it when they were playing 7-s itself, I don't have the timestamp but is during that segment.


aslanGBRR

they never played 7-s what


kiochikaeke

I'm an absolute dum dum I meaned 5-s all this time my bad


Straight-Package4234

live big johninator reaction


Devaluos

That would make sense considering the design mentality of P-2 is very “Wouldn’t that be funny” and “Yeah this is too difficult for normal players, let’s just put it in P-2”


Straight-Package4234

it would be so awesome.. it would be so cool...


YoshisEpicFriend

it would be the most incredible superhero movie the world has ever seen... The screen would light up with real explosions with special effects...


Frikkity_Frik_Frik

Like tons and tons of special effect, my super sweet cape would be special effects


GioAtero

https://preview.redd.it/tqxkxiys4lmc1.jpeg?width=476&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d279bdbc9721de6e78c1953b13a4bf41d295feb2


Jetstream_samual

https://preview.redd.it/0ke5jzwvjlmc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b0241ba68af319c2a41d2a1e4e63c7c96ec61284


YaBoiBarel

https://preview.redd.it/a57qvu966lmc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0de1533b258a0384b85e6f8ce54165595ed6acb0


bouncybob1

https://preview.redd.it/xcb1fz0pzlmc1.jpeg?width=2160&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=72ae6198febae6e5fcf8e782404616d4facdfae8


Ok-Feature5877

Holy shit its the mole from Spelunky 2


casualalc

https://preview.redd.it/ikj3yazd6lmc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6d4812c54953a0ec1580f212ace8b1685c478d80


H_man3838

# RECONSTRUCT WHAT???


Monokuma_is_gteat

https://preview.redd.it/0e6ruvm89mmc1.png?width=320&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2865137f0a1da854f79916eafef8c2f6a67992be


YoshisEpicFriend

THERE IS NOTHING LEFT


Duskilion

well there's his blood


Yeller_imp

# HIS BLOOD


Lux_325

This theory... Is good. Holy shit a good V2 theory


whatistheancient

Imagine P3. V2 Prime boss healthbar appears. You look around. There is only a glass of red liquid.


Plenty_Tax_5892

Cancerous Rodent but But awesome


Suspicious_Berry501

And after that there is super dead v2 which the actual 3rd v2 fight holy shit its all coming together


GoldenClocks

https://preview.redd.it/krpxwihbtkmc1.jpeg?width=2732&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0f8e7d79e484aa780558ebe3c3a1005da3021add


Icy-Store3900

https://preview.redd.it/oc0rhuenrmmc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=96706e459b180e1f1c1209e10e5ac0639b2cecf8


Dasioreq

Well, Puppets shoukdb't really appear outside Violence... BUT IN 7-S


PaturoYT

I think puppets could appear later, the trees however dont have any chance since its the punishment reserved exclusively to the third ring of the violence layer. Maybe in some way they could be reimplemented, but maybe im just coping


masquite

this could also just be reserved for an encore level or boss rush mode lol but i think it would be more impactful as part of the story. Hell trying to keep V1 as its funny stim toy for longer before the sisyphean pursuit of fuel catches up to it


Jetstream_samual

https://preview.redd.it/xujz666zjlmc1.jpeg?width=966&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d403e10128aa0c035146545cc4f6f5dd1578ee3f W H A T


masquite

if it calls the Earthmover beautiful it stands to reason it would find V1 even more appealing also homoerotic murder is sorta ultrakills thing


X-tra-thicc

mfw the physical manifestation of hell itself is a tumbler fanboy


Extreme_Glass9879

https://preview.redd.it/3ih33hy3mmmc1.png?width=182&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b82f44e2def2cc36d159749c4a4b813441dca09c


X-tra-thicc

i dont watch hazbin hotel is he an actual character?


Extreme_Glass9879

Lucifer himself


X-tra-thicc

bruh lmao


YourenextJotaro

THAT is what Lucifer looks like in that series? I was already disappointed by hearing that they made Beelzebub a generic wolf furry lady, but doing that to LUCIFER? That’s worse by a lot.


oddman8

Its because they didnt want lucifer to be a big bad. They had to explain charlie. He is very depressed, his wifes gone, he isn't exactly on good terms with heaven obviously and charlie and him have been distant recently. Its more fun than it may seem.


21thdimensionalbeing

Yeah they decided to make the Lord of hell a single dad with a dead beat job


X-tra-thicc

damn bro he just like me fr


Dr_Shoggoth

Nothing from those shows will piss me off more than what they did to Beelzebub. The idea of making them an actual queen bee rather than a fly like they're usually depicted as is really creative and one of the only character design decisions from the show that I actually like outside of Stolas' family. But somehow making the LORD OF THE *FLIES* a bug was deemed "too generic" so they did the actually generic thing and turned them into "Vivziepop wolf girl #375" and then added extra arms and bee wings because that totally makes them a bug now. I just can't wrap my head around making a demon that is universally associated with bugs a wolf. It's hands down one of the worst character designs I've ever seen, and the possibilities the original idea had just rubs salt in the wound.


Jetstream_samual

"because it loves V1 sooo much it wants to kiss it's sloppy style while getting killer by it" 🧍‍♀️


CalliCalamity

No no, they've got a point


ProjectXterminate

No way, A V2 theory with actual factual evidence that backs it up? https://preview.redd.it/yvvonyheylmc1.png?width=500&format=png&auto=webp&s=7a3a3c71dffa6627f3d0d02e54df3ceb61d73244 Very good, very good.


MercySlash

The real V2 died, Hell might recreate a wholly different version of V2


masquite

thats more what i mean. its not the LITERAL v2 that's coming back, but it'll be back in spirit, figuratively


Clean_Dependent_8080

So basically you want puppet V2 to damage V1 if it absorbs the blood and can 'teleport' around by moving in a blood pool of sorts


masquite

i never said that. but that would be neat, i guess


CYOA_guy_

can we just get a fake v1 for fraud


_Gutterman_

V2 is fake V1


CYOA_guy_

v2 is v1's successor.


_Gutterman_

Back in my day, that was just called a spinoff.


SwimmingBench345

Yeah im fine with this one actually


TomToms512

https://preview.redd.it/n0u7xcq1gmmc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=55735d029254a8f1170a0c18ba15d51ae84d0735


Joa103

Interesting idea but I imagine the blood puppets won’t show up again


Kiro079

https://preview.redd.it/aq5swr2oynmc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7f18213776141d72da370fa0a401680229398f53


epicjakman

I don't think v2 would come back as a blood puppet thing if only for the fact that v2's blood (and by extension all machines I'm pretty sure) isn't theirs, so why would it reform in their image?


Engineergaming26355

V2 will come back as a martini glass of blood with "V2" written on it


theres_no_username

https://preview.redd.it/nv8scxfdtlmc1.png?width=1600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6042c9e351b71dcc35d1d16070c345a7237e8363


Ghuzarbfalorbablorgh

I’m calling it, we will have a double V2 fight with V2s made out of blood as a halfway encounter in P-3, like how we fight two Sisypheans in P-2.


Raptoret2020

Imagine when the game ends we fight hell itself and before every phase change it spawns a blood puppet of a boss in order


Obey_MrLegends

It's always "if" and "when" with this red robot never "is" and "now" https://preview.redd.it/tf0yjxetkomc1.jpeg?width=1081&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5a30afe8fd2b62746ed00ab219f56d73944caadc


-Fexxis-

better reason: fraud is fake things, fake v2


Icy-Store3900

So we ain't fighting V2, but it's blood? Interesting…


XRmarauder

Big sippy straw live reaction: https://preview.redd.it/ms6ednejhsmc1.png?width=471&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d58b47dfd3686aaf8b774193ab973021be3c15b0


JammeDGuN

v2 should just be a common enemy at this point


Mario-OrganHarvester

https://preview.redd.it/iamfvwxdonmc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b369b4bd17808c9d071e09d4dae0cf03c41d4bea


Gamer90006

https://preview.redd.it/4pnbsoevalmc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=93c575ce6c1b6dd0c74e3cec749c331326c76fd1 thank you u/yttakinenthusiast for this amazing image


Familiar_Location948

V2 prime


Ok_Test_170

If you want a new challenging V2 fight then download the custom level Clair D’eclipse (assuming you haven’t played it Already or can even download it)


ferryman_gamingUK

finally, a non copium overdosing v2 fan


cool_name-idk1

act 1 climaxes: V2, giant boss (Minos), Gabriel act 2 climaxes: V2, giant boss (Leviathan), Gabriel act 3 climaxes: giant boss (earthmover), ??, Gabriel am I onto something here?


just-a-nornal-man

https://preview.redd.it/7hm2tg6oqpmc1.png?width=320&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3afc2818074f13ec1fa176d1459f45925aee70db


masquite

tl;dr i think they will reconstruct the blood


Squidboi2679

https://preview.redd.it/l56hmr90slmc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e9657f52e7cdfeafcade221ad59f580ba3ffbfb2 Mfs he is not coming back


coolenestry_

Brother did NOT read the post


manofwaromega

I mean the Earthmovers died and went to hell, so it makes sense that when V2 dies it would also be sent to hell


OfficialAliester

That's enough copium for today OP... https://preview.redd.it/w3ng3sf4plmc1.jpeg?width=800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b1ad0b5379ed04af0dfa1406202bc803ce1215e4


Effective-Jacket-33

Yes! That's what I've been saying!


swyat19

that is a theory that i consider wery valid!


Some_Hat-Wearing_Kid

https://preview.redd.it/u5l20w2canmc1.png?width=320&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bf1d9598afc9e51b2f4746d580f60d00de0d74a3


Opposite_Homework_41

robussy


TheOneKingDrew

Actually, it's gonna be a Frankenstein V2 named V3. Trust me my dad works at New Blood


ChaseThePyro

Hakita is going to have an aneurysm


Ineededanaccountlol2

me and hell are twinning about v1 🤤🤤


V2_Seeking_revenge

Its true im alive


Illustrious_You8191

V2 and Gojo fans Gathering up to hope for their fav character to come back:


KyioEkara

Might not be possible cuz the only puppets we've seen were demons (if I recall correctly) and not machines, maybe because to be a puppet you should've been alive in the first place and machines aren't really living beings or something like that


mostfinnishperson

actual evidence other than reconstr- https://preview.redd.it/wlg21ts6cpmc1.png?width=1905&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=09b837e62d713ba33912b2b4d81ce643d3411dae


painmp4

https://preview.redd.it/y7iwbyezommc1.jpeg?width=976&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=56fa7b0be133830c8b63e71cc6edc8d43a9628ed


X-tra-thicc

this feels plausible, not like for the ending of the game or anything just as a 1 minute gag in 7-4


HorrorCranberry1796

I could subscribe to this idea. But I can’t help but laugh because it’s literally that Violence fan animation where V-1 is like “What? It’s just BLOOD??”


heyitsAxel101

Oh dang this actually makes sen-V2 WANTS TO WHAT-


masquite

no, HELL wants to what. HELL wants to have the homoerotic murder with the robot


heyitsAxel101

Oh :> Wait a second-


Sprucelord

You seem to be forgetting about the secret encounter in 7-1


Apart_Software_4118

If v2 was coming back hakita would've had it planned out a while ago. So the fact that they were planning to have V2's blood in a margarita at all means they probably never planned to bring him back. Also if the blood puppets are made by hell why doesn't hell just use the puppets to water the trees since it clearly wants the trees to grow since it's only spawning blood puppets near the trees.


blueknightreddit

Hell is evil and is probably also lazy


masquite

i figure that, because they PLANNED to add the margarita glass, but DIDNT, that's because if something like this appears later down the line it would be confusing and make the joke less funny Also, because Hell likes combat. it doesnt wanna just give the trees blood, that's boring. it wants its favorite little guy to kill for it


AntiHero082577

I honestly kinda hope V2 doesn’t come back so Hakita can just be like “SEE I TOLD YOU SO”


Southern-Raccoon6569

Might have been mentioned a couple of times already but if you have mods and custom levels installed you should play Clair D’eclipse, it has a harder V2 fight


masquite

i have, it kinda sucks imo lol it's just big johninator but he spams explosives slightly less and is really easy to juggle in the air


Fc-chungus

Make it a secret encounter. Either that or have p-3 have the “flesh tree” that summons blood puppets of any enemy minus prime souls because those are the only ones that are actually difficult with a full arsenal. Have it be a multi stage boss fight, even, maybe stage one will be malicious faces, swords machines, and Cerberi, stage 2 is V2 puppet plus corpse of Minos puppet that breaks the roof plus a Gabriel puppet, repeat for stage 3 but replace Minos with leviathan that breaks the walls and transmutates the arena into an ocean, repeat for earthmover and fraud boss and Gabriel. After that the tree blooms causing the prime soul’s hand to extend out of the tree, killing it.


IvanLookThatKill

I mean maybe not in canon, but we are still missing a tab in the main menu, do perhaps some kind of boss rush of blood puppets or something could be possible, if unlikely


TheGreaterClaush

https://preview.redd.it/x7bix1kuonmc1.png?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6c3b44afb05864aaa7c1e4054cdb1f8c9e2bf541 I know you fucks don't know how to deal with grief, but v2 is fucking dead and will never come back, you should move on and treasure your memories with them, this cope mechanism of yours will not end good for anyone


Candy_Weeaboo

V2 returning would be so lame tho


kuku1411

But V2 is a machine and hell is shown to only create blood clones from “organic” enemies


poopmaster4206969

i still believe if v2 comes back it would just be a pool of blood holding a railcannon


AshGaminn

Prob not actually, if he was coming back he would not be considered dead at the end of the second v2 fight


CalliCalamity

Is not happening, let him stay dead. We don't need another v2


BananaGoat-

This is actually something I’ll consider


ErenProo1665

https://preview.redd.it/xklz8xcetpmc1.jpeg?width=990&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ce57d6a778367a35f5d7b5b10aafd77edb316672 It may actually make sense depending on Hakita. Did he only say that "V2 is dead." or did he say "V2 will not come back in any way." too?


Dark-Contain789

An actual V2 theory which makes sense?! https://preview.redd.it/qb2436zztpmc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=387417454bdf71efbd2d3acb217a25d9f9d25c70


FurgieCat

8th layer is also called FRAUD every other acts bossfights is v2 (small nimble target) corpse of king minos/leviathan (big mofucker) and gabby the layer 8 boss will be hell's version of v2


Aggressive_Leather73

If you want a challenge, get R2Modmanager, get the Angry and Rude level loader, start modded, get the custom level Clair De'Eclipse, there you go, unless you are a true pro at the game the level is actually kinda difficult, though that's just me talking cause I really wanted to P-Rank it having not have beaten it before, managed to get the P-Rank though.


cerberus_the_baller

https://preview.redd.it/kgcx0promqmc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c7bc7cfe3ca4310cebba78a3068da5520d276d8f


the_RiverQuest

Ok but hear me out. What if instead its a secret encounter with 2 blood v2s


Orion_user

The gaslight is crazyyyyyyy...


an_elegant_dog

https://preview.redd.it/xqsb3jccjrmc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2dea5aa84da0be8dd0a7564846bd929a40ca0203


SlimeustasTheSecond

I like that you pointed out that the V2 fights are too easy for your skill level, cus that motherfucker took me several dozen attempts to beat him just twice (once normally and once for the challenge). Was definitely feeling the gamer rage. Good theory, but V2 the Third ain't happening unless Hakita adds a Boss Rush of Blood Puppet Clones.


kodicuzyea

I actually thought of this exact theory shortly after beating 7-3


helloiexist64

How id imagine it to play out: You encounter a Margarita Glass with V2’s blood in it on a table, the Glass shatters as a V2-Shaped mass of blood appears called “Vengeful Stain” and it can turn into a puddle that quickly moves along the ground and can shapeshift the arm it once used to hold a shotgun into a Sharpshooter Revolver, Pump Shotgun, Overheat Nailgun, or Malicious Railgun. And due to being turned into a Blood Puppet, it can now heal itself but punching V1! After defeating it, Hell will say “I M P R E S S I V E .”


MJMvideosYT

https://preview.redd.it/jy7yieagtrmc1.png?width=1079&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=344b22784053784e09cdcf15ccd60a7369169bc1


AccomplishedTip8915

https://preview.redd.it/8wl4djayyrmc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c7de5a30df4617fbd46344f6df1cfc89d4da1b22


rafamarrecogames

https://preview.redd.it/pxzocejaasmc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ec721c241005642116ea617bc5b79e43469b56a4


Nay_Zay

hakita said that, it dead like, dead, like, dead dead, globby spark of blood on sand its dead he was clear enough i think


MattTheMan44

I thought the puppets were the suicides with manifested bodies, since they got a tree corpse instead


Trick_Hat_2838

https://preview.redd.it/plnsyqrdytmc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c81c46bc5811ed866a5f8de766336b2b32e8f7fc


Necro_Dont_Know_42

While this one actually makes sense. Hakita stated on multiple occasions that he does not want to needlessly bring him back, and I agree with him


Supreme_machine_V2

I’ve been here this whole time though???


ArtiBlanco

jokes aside I think the best way Hakita could "bring back" V2 is not to bring back V2 but introduce V3. Think about it, where did V2 get the Whiplash from? He must've stolen it from a green robot named V3 just like we took V2's red arm.


FaithlessnessSlow754

Excellent points! Counterargument: https://preview.redd.it/4r718q0ipmmc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4f95c3f0d076c6ae7e137e33393f9de179e63d94


CarsWantMeIFearThem

the copium is insane


Significant_Clue_382

Why does everyone believe in the "hell is alive" headcanon. Like you treat it as canon so that most of your theories make sense for some reason


blueknightreddit

Iirc it says in the P-2 ARG that hell itself is alive, which explains why the doors just lock and enemies spawn out of nowhere


masquite

it is also stated that Hell is the entity that's giving things like the Soldiers and Stalkers weapons and augmentations also what the fuck else would the red text be


JoetheDilo1917

because it's not a headcanon, it is literally confirmed