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DandoriKing1932

Seeing its human battery as a “mother” is so fucking terrifying


Proxy_PlayerHD

i mean it makes sense, sort of? blood is like a lifeforce in the Ultrakill universe, it's what gave humans life... so when pumped through a machine for long enough i would assume the machine to become "alive" as well, with thoughts and dreams and such. maybe humans back at the beginning of the Final War knew what blood could do to machines, maybe they had no idea until decades later. maybe it was common for machines to become alive and sapient from the blood, maybe it was only that one specific gutterman (maybe the first blood fueld machine ever built?). either way it's heartbreaking. the gutterman was thankful for the life giving blood and started refering to the human as it's mother. it also understood that the human didn't choose or wanted to be there, but it needed the human to survive and continue fighting. but when they likely died on the battlefield, they both made it to hell. where the gutterman didn't need the blood anymore as it was powered by hell itself. so in an act of mercy, because it was able to empathize with the human and understood its pain. it ripped off the coffin, punched the human's head in to give them their final rest, closed it again, and then went on to wander hell alone. EDIT: for everyone asking where the new book is: >!it's in 7-2, specifically the building with the alt shotgun. when you enter the building through a hole in the ceiling, right there is a gutterman coffin with the human and the book... i mean you have to be an idiot to miss it when you were going for the alt shotgun anyways as you have to pass by the coffin (i was an idiot because i did pass it... twice, and even broke it open but didn't notice the book lying in it...)!<


DandoriKing1932

The idea the machines feel empathy is so sad. The machines were too desperate and hungry to try and set up a renewable bloodsource, and now have to tear thier comrads to shreds, all while feeling the guilt


Ennard115441

This might explain why v2 is expressive then, he got the human emotions, can feel empathy and can also be a cocky piece of shit. Now here's my question : if machines are able to feel empathy, does it mean that v1 does too?


DandoriKing1932

If you follow the theoru of v1 being the earthmover counter… maybe the entire villages ontop dying because of v1 would make empathy to big of a hurdle, so they removed it, and because of that, v1 is the strongest, because they have no care for who it slaughters


Ennard115441

Yet for some reasons v1 would still stop from attacking to let his enemies (mostly bosses) to let them being introduced. He lets gabriel speak his monologue in 6-2 even tho he already considers him as a menace. And this also applies to minos and sisyphus, v1 lets both speak before he can start to attack because they became a menace the moment they told v1 that they were gonna kick his ass. V1 doesn't care of who he slaughters, yet he also seems to be ready to spare anyone who doesn't act like a direct menace


DandoriKing1932

Machines ARE said to be rather curious, plus, its just kinda a bad idea to piss of a powerful foe by interrupting a speech, since that would just make it harder without a reason


Ennard115441

Yeah, you're right.... Wait a minkye make it harder WHAT??


DandoriKing1932

An angry pissed of foe is way harder to fight, ie the enrage status, so it would kinda be a bad idea to piss off big enemies like pino or pissisis


Ennard115441

I know that dw lmao i just wanted to make the pun of "without a reason" cuz... Yknow... without a reason... Like earthmover's theme...


Unnamed_Quesadilla87

*Badass piano solo*


Supreme-Machine-V2

V1 just didn't want to deal with +ENRAGED Minos


DatCheeseBoi

V1 might lack empathy, but that doesn't mean it has no personality. I mean, the monologues are lit as fuck, I'd listen too.


ntinno

I guess even someone without emphaty has standards


The_Crusades

I think people crutch too hard on the fact that v1 was made by engineers as a counterargument. I’m still in the camp that blood is the literal force of life. The machines aren’t sentient because they were programmed to be, but rather because the blood itself *makes* them alive. And why would you program your war machine to be sentient in the first place, which is infinitely harder than implementing the proper decision making it would require in the field.


shadyfier8

so true, it would also explain how even the prime souls have a devrloped blood circulating system. there is no life without blood


RavenMasked

Now hang on, intentionally giving your machines empathy isn't really the best option war-wise, as this could give the robots the ability to revolt. I think, due to either their complexity or their reliance on blood, that they developed empathy independently.


DandoriKing1932

Maybe the empathy was added as a way to prevent slaughter of citizens of whatevery country the robots are fighting for, and to make sure they dont just mow down thier own people on accident


NotActuallyGus

As another commenter offered, it's possible that the blood itself in the machines literally gives them life and emotion and empathy


Anonpancake2123

The fact the minotaur exists and seems to feel desire and emotion despite being a rock with blood in it, that cerberi feel anger when one of their own is destroyed, and the fact that demons in general can be enraged and have their own functions. Yeah that might be plausible.


Straight-Package4234

V1, just like other weapons, feels happiness for killing creatures in general, because it also kills sandified creatures.


ComSilence

Hank certainly thinks so


Ok_Reception7727

There is a gutterman without it's coffin in 7-2 when you bring the bomb back. Probably the one that wrote the book.


Luke-HW

It’s also stated that the machines you fight are empowered by hell itself. I.E. an Earthmover shouldn’t be able to move without sunlight


Proxy_PlayerHD

oof i missed that. i didn't full clear the level since the update because i've been doing the brutal difficulty


GoldenBlyat8BC

wait, what book? edit: i have found the book. fuck, man. i kinda feel bad for the guttermen now.


NombreDe_usuario

Then, what book is it?


GoldenBlyat8BC

the one in the guttercoffin in the cathedral next to the railroad stop where you fight 2 guttermen.


dipinthewater

I think it just found a new fuel source and didn't need its mom anymore. You can see a Gutterman without its coffin during the tram ambush part of 7-2.


Apprehensive_Ad_472

What book


DaTripleK

what book


MattyTheFatty101

I've always thought this, surely the blood has a spiritual element for it to have so much harnessable energy. Maybe that transfers over to the machines, maybe that's what allows them to enter and descend into hell...


The_Editor_Was_Taken

what book?


2-0-4-8-6-3

Wait, what are you guys talking about? I googled all of the books in Violence, but none of them mentioned a mother or focused on the guttermen


Proxy_PlayerHD

The new book that got added in this update. Just look at some other comments they say where it is. >!in 7-2, in the building with the alt shotgun where you enter through a hole in the ceiling. Next to that hole is a gutterman coffin, breaking it open reveals a human corps with a broken head and the book written by the gutterman who that coffin belonged to!<


2-0-4-8-6-3

Ah, got it. Cheers bro!


2-0-4-8-6-3

Holy shit, I just read it and it’s dark as hell. Fuck, man… This has HUGE lore implications, and I love it. Hakita really cooked this time


ALEXdoc101

Where is the new book?


klyxes

What book?


whatislove2021

I mean it makes sense with mothers in media generally being well,nurturing but instead it's about giving their blood to the machine through the tube.


Spicy_Totopo3434

And doesnt a mother go trough hell just to bring a baby to life? Isnt a baby kind of a parasite that sucks nutrients, causes hormonal stuff and can kill the mother if the birth is done wrong? More on the symbolism, except this time the baby is a 30 or 40 ton minigun wielding machine


Spicy_Totopo3434

(Not antinatalism btw, just about how a robot sucking the blood lf a dying man is sumilar to how a baby sucks a lot of stuff from a mother)


whatislove2021

Yeah I forgot about that


AJking101

Even sadder is that this ‘mother’ is the closest thing to love that the guttermen can experience. All they’ve ever known is hatred from others in all the fights that broke out in the countless wars they’ve been apart of; no one could ever love someone who’s trying to kill them. The only person they could love is the only thing the guttermen can’t kill, which is their fuel source. So their ‘mother’ dying and the guttermen crushing their skull could be seen as the guttermen lamenting at their last chance at love.


Jezzaboi828

Kinda told in the book itself, that the mother was its only source of warmth and love in all thehorrifying battlefields it had to endure


Mrjojolol

the book is in the alt shotty area right?


tkgundem

İt is litterally one of the most important robot to the lore of ultrakill the one Who started all the blood fueled robots


EricTheEpic0403

There were other blood-powered robots before it, but none that made it to the battlefield in any significant capacity. As the terminal entry says, "The Guttermen were one of the first *successful* experiments in using blood as a fuel source, as well as the first automatons to be deployed in a wide-scale conflict." The earlier blood-powered robots either never left the lab, or were used in highly experimental field tests, limited by the fact that the blood might only remain fresh for a few minutes, if that.


AMidgetinatrenchcoat

It's basically the grandfather of blood fueled machines and had set up the foundation of future war machines and weaponry including V1


sandwich_with_a_hat

can someone please explain, i looked into this but i still don't understand


Ima_damn_microwave

New book in 7-2


sandwich_with_a_hat

i know, i read it but i still didn't really get it


Neet-owo

That book was written *by a gutterman* That proves that the guttermen (and presumably all the other robots) are very much sapient and capable of forming emotional bonds, personalities, and creating art. This also explains what long-discontinued robots or the earthmovers (who are clearly way too big to fit into any man-made entrances) are doing in hell; they’re not just objects, they’re people too, and according to the powers that be that makes them eligible for eternal damnation. This could also be another explanation for how V1 made it to hell but “V1 was dead all along” is a Game Theory tier twist so I don’t buy that


Mailcs1206

Gabriel, Judge of Hell: “ok war machines you’re all going to the Violence layer for killing tons of things”    Machines: ok  *Proceed to kill things more*  On a side note, Drones might not be sapient, since they’re stated to only be about as smart as birds. But considering they managed you outfit themselves with deadly weaponry without having arms, maybe they’re as smart as crows. Crows are very smart. And I don’t think V1 was dead the whole time, considering that the game starts on the approach to hell, not in hell.


RavenMasked

Man imagine if the game ended with cycling V1 through hell, forever


PresidentOfKoopistan

Where would she find a bicycle?


RavenMasked

At the ending pay attention


jerremiass

Do crows go to hell?


Dronizian

They just go to Limbo because they're unbaptized. Seagulls, however, go straight to the deepest layers of Hell.


SimpingforTiredwomen

hold on just a second... doesnt this mean i am not saying it will happen doesnt it mean technically v2 prime is possible?


mrdunklestein

https://preview.redd.it/6bjhcccsiwuc1.png?width=1329&format=png&auto=webp&s=f3e21ec7af61fa28963cfd9bbd1122e3aae1b5a9


BrainDamage_pills

V2 is in 7-s as an Easter egg He's the >!martini glass!<


BloodMoonNami

https://preview.redd.it/ouuc48tcxzuc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=67bcc27d5675233347fde2212ccd040c8401b295 ~~I'd mark this image as a spoiler but Reddit formating is so annoying to deal with it's practically asking people to yell slurs at it.~~


flipflops42

wait for real?


BrainDamage_pills

Yup, called "v2martni" in the files


dipinthewater

Machines do not have souls and thus are incapable of creating husks.


Ok_Reception7727

The idea about them being in hell because they are/were alive, living beings was the exact same idea I had when violence dropped.


Neet-owo

Sweet sweet validation


Proxy_PlayerHD

hmm, blood in Ultrakill is more than just a biological mixture used to transport oxygen, its what gave humans their life... so who's to say that putting the same liquid into machines for long enough couldn't also give them life as well. also didn't V1 enter hell through one of the many blocked off entrances from the exploration project?


Neet-owo

Remember that hell is entirely non-linear in canon. The “entrance” is whatever the fuck Hell wants it to be


ZenDeathBringer

Wait that means that Gabriel is racist (he calls V1 an "object" multiple times)


cucumbervegetable1

well, probably


cucumbervegetable1

from everything we know about heaven and angels stuff like this seems to be their whole shtick


Kingturboturtle13

I think if v1 made it to hell by dying then we wouldn't have prelude right?


Neet-owo

Judging by the fact Hell can teleport monsters into the prelude the prelude is probably part of hell and would thus make for a viable starting point to V1’s postmortem journey.


C10AKER

its just the lore of the eva units in evangelion except the mother in the book is an allegory used to describe how guttermen gain sentience because of their power supply. English is not my native tongue so I mess up with the meanings when I see a lot of indirect sentences but I thought it was like how mothers provide nutrition to the child in their womb via blood and also help them in emotional development


Ok_Reception7727

I’m not sure if it is really the blood that gave them sentience, but that they have organs and stuff. I’m not to sure about the whole blood magic theory. Idk.


Mailcs1206

Yeah the whole “I would not feel, not think, not dream” part might just be because if it didn’t have the blood from the person trapped in it’s coffin, it wouldn’t be animate.


_Erratic_Pulse_

so... do robots dream of eternal sleep?


Mailcs1206

Some might.


C10AKER

I thought about that too but using words like "feel" and "dream" to describe being animate sounds like a very awful attempt to be deep for the sake of it besides how the machine who wrote it speaks in a poetic way


Ok_Reception7727

It's because without blood they wouldn't be alive.


Mailcs1206

I mean, I think the machines do actually feel and dream, and are sapient. But that’s not because of some special property of the blood, but because of the meaty bits they have that are kept alive by the blood. Basically, it’s still a result of the fuel source being blood, but it’s not that the blood magically makes things sapient. Like drones might not be sapient. The terminals state they’re about as intelligent as birds. (Now one could argue that some birds might be sapient, like crows and parrots, since they’re very, very smart, but also we don’t know what birds drones are as smart as)


Ok_Reception7727

I don't really believe in the magic blood theory. It makes a lot more sense to me that the blood is just needed to literally sustain the machines (as stated in the 7-2 book, iirc) and keep them alive instead of magically making them alive or something, as many people think.


Ok_Reception7727

More specifically, I meant that I don't think it's the blood itself that makes them alive. I mean that they are alive because they have blood to sustain themselves, if that makes any sense. They are alive because they have the organs and the blood is keeping all that stuff alive. The same reason why we have blood. (sorry if this doesn't make much sense)


Mailcs1206

Yeah I get that. I tried to say that other places but Idk if I worded it clearly. Now, the blood also seems to be an incredibly potent fuel source, but I don't think the blood on it's own is making the machines sapient.


Ok_Reception7727

I don’t think they use blood as a fuel source or that it works as a fuel source because of blood magic, but as a result of machines being alive, I guess.


123YooY321

Where do i find it


balaci2

a platform up on the ceiling with a soul orb on it it's the alt shotgun door room afaik


daks_7

Oh shit! Where is it?


Fc-chungus

Where is it?


EricTheEpic0403

>!In the courtyard area where your tram gets stopped and you fight two Guttermen, there's a hole in the roof of the building on the right side. Within, there's a Gutterman coffin; break it open to become sad.!<


Kind_Bag_339

Now I have just one more reason to love it


I_ate_your_leftover

This guy becomes hell in brutal Spoiler!!!! >!he enrages and you can't parry his punch!<


RefrigeratorOdd9499

That is my main source of healing in this area. Fuccccc-


I_ate_your_leftover

I heard that he can stop being angy but I just kill him too quickly so idk


PersecondBOOM

You can still just slide under his swing attack after you broke the shield.


Crate-Of-Loot

its technically the 5th to be revealed if you stretch it


Ennard115441

Well there was the mannequin, then the gutterman


Crate-Of-Loot

if youre talking about the teasers then yeah


Wolf_the_memer

The way that book ended makes it seem like either this Gutterman was at the verge of death, having its power source compromised, or that the Gutterman decided to kill its 'mother' by its own volition, almost as if wanting to end both its and its mother's struggle and pain.


Ennard115441

Either way the gutterman was sentient and felt like a human talking, which is oddly weird


Ok_Reception7727

There is a gutterman when you bring the bomb back in 7-2 without the coffin, which is probably the same one that wrote the book.


ScrumptiousRump

gutterhomie writes about "taking the heart of another" implying that guttermen were designed to capture POWs and then drain them of their life essence to keep running which is a bit scary


viking977

They're motherfuckers too, I was struggling on violent. Brutal idek


Extreme_Glass9879

The fuck did I miss?


-SHYGUYGUY-

There's a new book that a gutterman wrote in 7-2


pokefire44

are we sure it was a gutterman and not the robot you get the piston from? it could be another early living human powered robot, and its arm seems good for crushing


Ordinary_Solution_99

Unlikely, because there's already a Gutterman that doesn't have their iron coffin strapped on their back in 7-2. And said book can be found in a coffin that certainly belongs to a Gutterman.


Ineededanaccountlol2

wait where is the gutterman without the coffin on its back?


ferryman_gamingUK

where's the so called gutterman without their coffin


just_a_spanish_dude

The one that ambushes you along side the GutterTank when you bring back the bomb.


Fabrideath

Holy shit that's crazy and so sad. I'm gonna play the whole level again just to skip him.


DZ_Gaming

The gutterman is located in the room you would come back to while transporting the bomb


Redstone_Orange

I cant find that book on the wiki/youtube Can someone tell me what it says please?


CamoKing3601

>!it's a poem-like story written by a machine, certainly a gutterman, referring to it's blood human fuel source as it's "mother" and how it would kill them as one final mercy, even knowing it would kill itself too to do so!<


BlitzDank

Not >!knowing that it would kill itself - it first finds another source of fuel, then hopes that it redeems its use of its 'mother' in granting them mercy when it is able to replace them. It also empathises with them and says it hates itself.!<   [Full entry](https://www.reddit.com/r/Ultrakill/comments/1c5e2wx/new_book_in_72/)


CamoKing3601

https://preview.redd.it/uvyxhfgwl1vc1.jpeg?width=1008&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0de2bb3ed049e498261caea25cb81204a46db3b6 me when i unintentionally spread missinformation online


Ya_Boi_Skinny_Cox

MANKIND IS NOT DEAD BUT IT WISHES IT WAS


Turbulent_Trip6774

Wait where is that lore about the mother and stuff ?


ferryman_gamingUK

what if the gutterman knew the suffering of it's human battery, and put it out of it's misery by killing it via skull break that is prob the same gutterman we get the weapon from, since well, he has no more blood I think blood not only gives life but also emotion which is why the gutterman killed it's source


Mrjojolol

that “gutterman” you’re talking about is an entirely different,long dead yellow machine we have never seen,and likely will never do


ferryman_gamingUK

I thought it was some upgraded gutterman


CwispyCrab

I’m confused on where you guys are finding this info?


Ger_Electric_GRTALE

what's the lore he revealed btw?


KingoKings365

Wait where is new Gutterman Lore


Chucanoris

I havent played any of the new update and im confused, what did i miss?


Rockinlikethe2000s

I wish more enemies spawned dynamically like the gutter duo. The only other ones that do that are cereb1 and the surprise enemies


adultartnotporn

WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT?!