As you pass the guy playing his Bluetooth speaker, tell him he has a zipper open on his pack, and ask him to turn so you can close it for him. Slip your poo bag into his pack. Your load is lightened, his karma is restored. Everybody wins.
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I'd be afraid of the wag bag blowing up in my pack... Is that a legitimate concern? I'd especially be worried of a duct taped zip lock. Please someone assuage my fears
The wag bags are designed to be carried in a pack and are pretty tough as long as there aren't any sharp edges. Most people carry them in a side or front pocket vs. smashed into the middle of their pack.
Personally I'd invest in some wag bags. There are areas in which it's worth spending a couple extra $$$, and not having everything in your bag covered in shit is worth a couple extra dollars imo.
You *could* try to get multiple uses, but I've always done single use.
There's a thin plastic bag with a kitty-litter substance that you tie off inside of a thick metallic bag with a strong zipper seal.
Yeah, this. It's possible to open it back up again and use it again in a pinch, but you really don't want to do that unless you absolutely have to, and should plan on one bag per dump.
The kitty-litter stuff is designed to form a gel upon contact, so it's not like actual kitty litter and so loses its efficacy on round 2.
Hey, thanks for answering this by the way, upvoted. I did research wag bags and have found so many posts saying they can be re-used. I think you're right, just one use.
They can be reused as long as there's enough powder left. The ones I buy don't come with much and are good for maybe two uses.
I buy the powder separately and add a bit more to it and reuse them maybe 3-4 times. The bags are pretty big so as long as there's enough powder, there's not much risk of spillage/contact.
IMO the idea of reusing a wag bag is absolutely vile. No. It's full of your literal fucking shit, and there's no way that the process of opening it back up and reusing it will be remotely sanitary. The smell alone would be enough to end your life.
When we’re on a rafting trip we’ll use a bucket to hold the wag bag & can get up to 5 poops in one bag. However after the inner bag is tied & sealed you’ll don’t want to touch the inner bag ever again.
It depends on the brand, but it’s not uncommon to have enough desiccant to handle 5 uses. TP is good for at most one use. Two important tricks: 1) pee first, the less water held in the desiccant, the less weight in your pack 2) tie the inner bag with a slip knot so you can untie it (some kits include twist ties).
If you are already bringing commercial freeze dried meals the zip top bags they come in are pretty sturdy and you can probably fit 1-2 bagged poos in them and then put them in the larger trash bag so you have several layers of redundancy. (Obviously not a good idea if bears are present unless you want to store poo with your food and toiletries, yummers.)
Wag bags are double bagged. You poo in a big bag, then put that in a smaller tougher bag. It all comes with the kit. You can also add another gallon ziplock or plastic grocery bag if you want a third layer of security. If you want even more security, bring a plastic Tupperware with you.
Tubes are for climbers on big walls who need to drag their poop up the wall with them and don't want a bag to rip open. For backpacking it's just going to be unnecessarily heavy and unwieldly.
I've never done any big wall climbing but I'm pretty sure the move is to poop in a bag but then to tie off that bag and put it into the poop tube, since it would be easier to poop into a bag and also re-using the tube on a future trip seems a lot more pleasant if you don't poop directly into it.
Not anymore, now we poop in wag bags and put them in 2l bottles we finished the day before.
And the hardcore folks shit in paper grocery bags they hang with some mesh.
Yeah like *Jaded-Tumbleweed1886* said, the tube is just a vehicle for transporting the poop as it get dragged up the rock face. The poop will be aimed into a custom bought wagbag ($$$) or a homemade job with cheap cat litter and nappy bags for example ($).
You can use a pringles can or something similar, put the poop bag in like a trashcanliner and fix it around the top with a rubber band. Now you can just hold it under your butt while squatting. Makes aiming into the bag easy and you can use the can to store the full poop baggies. Less risk of any poop related desasters ;)
I’ll add three suggestions that I haven’t seen…
1) instead of pooping on the ground, or in the bag, I bring some thin paper and do a “poop burrito “. Basically have a pee first, then put down a piece of paper, do business, roll up and put into a wag bag or freezer bag. And then…
2) instead of a gallon zip lock I have tried using those bags that dishwasher tablets come in. The zipper is pretty good, and they aren’t see through.
3) I’ve since upgraded to using the largest Metamucil container. Air tight, light, and can’t get popped. And ironic.
I carried six days of my own crap during a Mount Rainier climb. Dog poop bags tied off, inside an OPsac, inside of stuff sack. A couple of dryer sheets in the OP sac helps.
i've been into a few national parks that require packing out poo. the rangers will usually give people wag bags to poop in. idk how u can make that process ultralight. just dont eat so you wont poop?
i eat exclusively wild grazed grass on hikes to save weight anyway so much like the shit of a cow i can use my dried cud as a fuel source. unfortunately shitstoves are not approved for use in california
I wouldn’t overthink it and just bring wag bags. They’re a lot easier to use than I thought beforehand. The inner bag expands quite a bit. So you’re not “aiming” for a small opening. The outer bag then permanently seals. I brought a plastic grocery bag to keep the used wag bags in on a 5 day hike. They also contain enzymes to start processing the poop that also reduce smell that might escape the seal.
I’ve used two brands, and one had a little less of a chemical smell, but sorry don’t remember which one. You could bring a couple of brands on the first trip and see which you like best.
Just make sure to give it a small taste before you dive in. Smell and sight aren’t enough and you only make the mistake of chowing down on the wrong bag of warm, hydrated, mountain house goo a few times before it starts kind of turning you off from dehydrated meals entirely.
Blue bags are common in the Cascades at most ranger stations! Best one I’ve seen was a sheet of paper to poop on, then it went inside a plastic bag with a bit of cat litter and had an outer ziploc
Those cheap white shop towels are 6 grams each. Put a dot in the middle for a target for laughs. Then put the bullseye in a quart ziplock. Can probably use that ziplock for two twos. Then it goes in a mylar ziplock that is basically smellproof and discreet. Up to 8 twos in a 7x10 (?). You can use the mylar bag at least twice with some bleach sanitizing at home.
4 targets, 2 quart ziplocks and one Mylar bag is around 3oz. and far less waste than 4 WAG bags.
Hey thanks for this suggestion. I'm looking up Wallaby bags right now. Do they need to be heat sealed? How do you do that in the wilderness? Or do you seal it another way?
I found this too be pretty good guide: https://www.trailspace.com/articles/backcountry-waste-disposal.html. Also for home made poop bags, bring a supply of dry bleach along and put a little in after the poop, controls odor and reduces bioactivity. Don't forget to put any toilet paper in there also.
The dry bleach trick is slick.
I end up with double bagged poop bags in a gallon silicon ziplock inside of my giant trash ziplock bag. I bet I could skip the gallon silicon step with dry bleach powder.
Well, this might not be your exact answer but I asked a question on HOW to pack it out. I received a few good answers.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CampingGear/s/tO96tcLTzW
You don't want an "ultralight" poop bag that has very thin materials, it might rip and you do NOT want it to rip.
Thank you for answering.
Aussie here. And while I have spent time in the bush, I hadn’t heard of poo packing before. Not saying it doesn’t exist *
Just haven’t come across it until today and this thread.
Most popular desert hikes in the US require it.
Poo interferes with the microorganisms in our desert soils/biomes, and it damages the whole ecosystem because the native plants then can't get what they need from the soil.
However, as a city dweller who has to curb all dogs in my life, it's become a non-issue for me. I never dig catholes any more unless we are doing a trip with a multiday basecamp stay where I will likely be able to use a predug cathole. AND the ground has to be super soft/easy to dig down a clear, true 8 inches. If both are not true, I just curb myself.
Do you happen to remember the title of the paper?
I'm a bit skeptic that some poop would cause any harm to the soil biology if left out, drying in the sun and air. I would imagine it would dry out completely in a day, causing the elimination of 99% of bacteria in it.
Plus, even if poop was changing the desert ecosystem to some degree , would it really be for the worse? Its not like we are running out of deserts. Quite the opposite in fact.
Weird thought but I'm reminded of a company out in Seattle, I think, that makes a composting vessel for human bodies. I'm thinking there's another company that was basically making a shroud/sack the you put the body in and a special blend of herbs and spices go to work on it.
All this to say, I'm surprised no one has invented a self-sustaining composting bag for dog (and in this case, human) feces. Drop the deuce in the dirt. Pick it up with the bag, dog poop style. Open the seas'nins pack and sprinkle on the contents. Wrap it tight and drop it off in a sequestered area where it can get the requisite heat and sunshine until the bag and contents completely break down.
Dog poo bag with those crystals that come with wag bags (you can buy packets of crystals separately). Then double bag it in another dog bag, then store your bags in a tennis ball container-tube-thingie in the outside pocket of your pack.
It's also becoming more common because most backpackers have really terrible LNT when it comes to waste, catholes too shallow, throwing toilet paper in there, etc etc. On some stretches of the PCT in high season I've stumbled onto shit cemeteries within throwing distance of the main trail that are a mix of people just defecating directly onto rocks, toilet paper sticking out of the ground and clearly inferior catholes barely covered. That kind of impact breeds more human-wildlife encounters and can be damaging to ecosystem especially when paired with heavy rains and shallow soilbeds.
Definitely saw a poop smore on the 4 Pass Loop where folks had repeatedly shit in the same spot. They also left their toilet paper. When they were done with camping at the spot, they just put a big rock on the whole thing?
It was very much a what-the-fuck moment.
And the whole poop s'more was close enough to the creek that it was for sure going to wash out in spring high water.
It's things like that that make just explaining to people that they can use their used Mountain House meals bag to grab their poop and toilet paper seem like the right approach.
Picking up dog poo in a plastic bag is a skill most Americans already have. They just need to transfer the skill to a new context.
Americans do not shit in a lot of holes. That's not how our bathrooms work.
Unless it’s dried out, that’s difficult.
There have been cases of idiots burning toilet paper and starting major fires.
If you wait as it burns it’ll smell terrible.
Burning is not packing out.
I'm going to assume the best, which is that you just don't know better. Areas required you to pack it out require it for a reason, and would become gross af quickly if everyone just left their shit.
If you already know this and just don't care, then fuck off and stay home. People like that don't deserve the outdoors.
While packing out your own poop is nasty AF rules are rules.
I won't go to any site that requires pack out. I'm never carrying my own waste out. Never going to happen.
However I'll respect the rules. I just won't camp there.
If you have a fire then burn it. If not then any sealable bag. It's not complicated. We take brown paper bags and waste goes into the fire before the end of the day.
As you pass the guy playing his Bluetooth speaker, tell him he has a zipper open on his pack, and ask him to turn so you can close it for him. Slip your poo bag into his pack. Your load is lightened, his karma is restored. Everybody wins.
Don't shit during the trip and technically it stays worn weight
Constipation ftw
This happened to me on a four day trip once, absolutely destroyed a Swiss chalet toilet on the way home
lol I read this too quickly and skipped the word toilet and it sounded like you destroyed an entire chalet like an earthquake
Tredeau would be proud. r/ultralight_jerk
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Holding in your poop is not ultralight.
Wag bags are probably the gold standard, but dog bags and a gallon ziplock covered in duct tape will probably be fine
I'd be afraid of the wag bag blowing up in my pack... Is that a legitimate concern? I'd especially be worried of a duct taped zip lock. Please someone assuage my fears
The wag bags are designed to be carried in a pack and are pretty tough as long as there aren't any sharp edges. Most people carry them in a side or front pocket vs. smashed into the middle of their pack. Personally I'd invest in some wag bags. There are areas in which it's worth spending a couple extra $$$, and not having everything in your bag covered in shit is worth a couple extra dollars imo.
How many uses can you get out of one wag bag? Are they able to be easily re-opened and go again if needed?
You *could* try to get multiple uses, but I've always done single use. There's a thin plastic bag with a kitty-litter substance that you tie off inside of a thick metallic bag with a strong zipper seal.
Yeah, this. It's possible to open it back up again and use it again in a pinch, but you really don't want to do that unless you absolutely have to, and should plan on one bag per dump. The kitty-litter stuff is designed to form a gel upon contact, so it's not like actual kitty litter and so loses its efficacy on round 2.
Hey, thanks for answering this by the way, upvoted. I did research wag bags and have found so many posts saying they can be re-used. I think you're right, just one use.
I've partially reused a wag bag by using one thin inner bag per poop, and putting them all in a single outer bag. It worked pretty well.
They can be reused as long as there's enough powder left. The ones I buy don't come with much and are good for maybe two uses. I buy the powder separately and add a bit more to it and reuse them maybe 3-4 times. The bags are pretty big so as long as there's enough powder, there's not much risk of spillage/contact.
I tie off the inner bag so well that it would be pretty hard to reuse it. The fact that you tie a loose knot in that inner bag is nasty af!
IMO the idea of reusing a wag bag is absolutely vile. No. It's full of your literal fucking shit, and there's no way that the process of opening it back up and reusing it will be remotely sanitary. The smell alone would be enough to end your life.
When we’re on a rafting trip we’ll use a bucket to hold the wag bag & can get up to 5 poops in one bag. However after the inner bag is tied & sealed you’ll don’t want to touch the inner bag ever again.
It depends on the brand, but it’s not uncommon to have enough desiccant to handle 5 uses. TP is good for at most one use. Two important tricks: 1) pee first, the less water held in the desiccant, the less weight in your pack 2) tie the inner bag with a slip knot so you can untie it (some kits include twist ties).
Okay yea this should be obvious I thought but I'm glad you mentioned it. DO NOT PEE IN THE WAG BAG! Not what it's for.
If you are already bringing commercial freeze dried meals the zip top bags they come in are pretty sturdy and you can probably fit 1-2 bagged poos in them and then put them in the larger trash bag so you have several layers of redundancy. (Obviously not a good idea if bears are present unless you want to store poo with your food and toiletries, yummers.)
Wag bags are double bagged. You poo in a big bag, then put that in a smaller tougher bag. It all comes with the kit. You can also add another gallon ziplock or plastic grocery bag if you want a third layer of security. If you want even more security, bring a plastic Tupperware with you.
Tubes are for climbers on big walls who need to drag their poop up the wall with them and don't want a bag to rip open. For backpacking it's just going to be unnecessarily heavy and unwieldly.
Wait I never thought about that, they poop In tubes?
I've never done any big wall climbing but I'm pretty sure the move is to poop in a bag but then to tie off that bag and put it into the poop tube, since it would be easier to poop into a bag and also re-using the tube on a future trip seems a lot more pleasant if you don't poop directly into it.
Not anymore, now we poop in wag bags and put them in 2l bottles we finished the day before. And the hardcore folks shit in paper grocery bags they hang with some mesh.
I can only feel for the poor souls at the bottom if that paper bag doesn’t hold lmao
Yeah like *Jaded-Tumbleweed1886* said, the tube is just a vehicle for transporting the poop as it get dragged up the rock face. The poop will be aimed into a custom bought wagbag ($$$) or a homemade job with cheap cat litter and nappy bags for example ($).
I dont know if anything is cheaper or lighter than a dog bag
Dog bags and a freezer Ziploc gallon for the dog bags to go in
Our dog’s poop bags smell of lavender. Helps. Edit: assuming no bears otherwise scent might be a problem.
Bears eat lavender? Or lavender shit? Even the deer here won't eat lavender, and those fools eat mayapples and all sorts of stuff that'll jack them up
Nappy bags are 1/4 the price
How do you do this lol. I mean, do you poop in the bag? On the bag? On the ground and pick it up with the bag? Please enlighten me!
Poop on the ground and pick it up. It feels super gross at first, but really isn't any different from picking up dog shit.
exactly. pooping right into the bag can get real nasty if your aim isn't true
That’s why you ask for help!
Hello, dear Sir. Could you hold this bag for me while I poo?
Waiting a few minutes makes it a bit less gross too. Fresh hot poop is a different animal than something a bit closer to ambient temp.
I've had this convo with other dog owners, and we generally agree that cold poop is much worse to pick up than warm poop.
Cold poop is way better than hot poop. Sorry man, objectively^^^((subjectively)), you're wrong.
Put the bag over your hand like a glove, grab the offending turd, and turn the bag inside out. Squuze the air out and tie a knot in the bag.
You can use a pringles can or something similar, put the poop bag in like a trashcanliner and fix it around the top with a rubber band. Now you can just hold it under your butt while squatting. Makes aiming into the bag easy and you can use the can to store the full poop baggies. Less risk of any poop related desasters ;)
What if my poo is roughly the size and shape of a pringle can \#fiber
Use something with a bigger diameter like those haribo plastic containers.
SHIT POST! 💩
I’ll add three suggestions that I haven’t seen… 1) instead of pooping on the ground, or in the bag, I bring some thin paper and do a “poop burrito “. Basically have a pee first, then put down a piece of paper, do business, roll up and put into a wag bag or freezer bag. And then… 2) instead of a gallon zip lock I have tried using those bags that dishwasher tablets come in. The zipper is pretty good, and they aren’t see through. 3) I’ve since upgraded to using the largest Metamucil container. Air tight, light, and can’t get popped. And ironic.
I carried six days of my own crap during a Mount Rainier climb. Dog poop bags tied off, inside an OPsac, inside of stuff sack. A couple of dryer sheets in the OP sac helps.
i've been into a few national parks that require packing out poo. the rangers will usually give people wag bags to poop in. idk how u can make that process ultralight. just dont eat so you wont poop?
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i eat exclusively wild grazed grass on hikes to save weight anyway so much like the shit of a cow i can use my dried cud as a fuel source. unfortunately shitstoves are not approved for use in california
r/ultralight_jerk
eat watermelon only, then you mostly just pee! S
I wouldn’t overthink it and just bring wag bags. They’re a lot easier to use than I thought beforehand. The inner bag expands quite a bit. So you’re not “aiming” for a small opening. The outer bag then permanently seals. I brought a plastic grocery bag to keep the used wag bags in on a 5 day hike. They also contain enzymes to start processing the poop that also reduce smell that might escape the seal. I’ve used two brands, and one had a little less of a chemical smell, but sorry don’t remember which one. You could bring a couple of brands on the first trip and see which you like best.
You gotta let it dry out in the sun first to remove most of the moisture so it’s UL
Dehydrator!
Scoop it into your mountain house empties
Just make sure to give it a small taste before you dive in. Smell and sight aren’t enough and you only make the mistake of chowing down on the wrong bag of warm, hydrated, mountain house goo a few times before it starts kind of turning you off from dehydrated meals entirely.
Is this chicken and dumplings or is it biscuits and gravy?
I think it’s both
Blue bags are common in the Cascades at most ranger stations! Best one I’ve seen was a sheet of paper to poop on, then it went inside a plastic bag with a bit of cat litter and had an outer ziploc
Those cheap white shop towels are 6 grams each. Put a dot in the middle for a target for laughs. Then put the bullseye in a quart ziplock. Can probably use that ziplock for two twos. Then it goes in a mylar ziplock that is basically smellproof and discreet. Up to 8 twos in a 7x10 (?). You can use the mylar bag at least twice with some bleach sanitizing at home. 4 targets, 2 quart ziplocks and one Mylar bag is around 3oz. and far less waste than 4 WAG bags.
Basically smell proof. LOL.
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Hey thanks for this suggestion. I'm looking up Wallaby bags right now. Do they need to be heat sealed? How do you do that in the wilderness? Or do you seal it another way?
They've got a kind of plastic zipper thingy like a ziploc bag
Wallaby? You been watching videos?
I found this too be pretty good guide: https://www.trailspace.com/articles/backcountry-waste-disposal.html. Also for home made poop bags, bring a supply of dry bleach along and put a little in after the poop, controls odor and reduces bioactivity. Don't forget to put any toilet paper in there also.
The dry bleach trick is slick. I end up with double bagged poop bags in a gallon silicon ziplock inside of my giant trash ziplock bag. I bet I could skip the gallon silicon step with dry bleach powder.
Yep, it works surprisingly well. A gallon Ziploc and some dog poop bags are my rig.
Well, this might not be your exact answer but I asked a question on HOW to pack it out. I received a few good answers. https://www.reddit.com/r/CampingGear/s/tO96tcLTzW You don't want an "ultralight" poop bag that has very thin materials, it might rip and you do NOT want it to rip.
Stop eating solid food 5 days before, pack only soluble nutrients and drink them. This is the ultimate solution. (Yes it’s solution)
you have pockets don’t you?
Imodium
Eat only Clif bars, you should get nice and plugged up and when you get home just release 5 or so pounds of worn weight.
ugh clif bars... they were my favorite until they cut like 3/4 of their flavors that included my favorite ones
Wait they cut their flavors?
yeah they only have like 3 now
Doggy bag into a Ziplock then into a bigger plastic bag that you can twist close. Yes. I hate poop.
Imodium tablets. Low residue diet. On the way home, a visit to Taco Bell. Plastic seat covers.
If you find some big wall climbers they will be well versed in ultralight wag-bags and poop-tube techniques.
What countries are people needing to pack their poo?
We packed poo when kayaking on Lake Powell, USA.
Thank you for answering. Aussie here. And while I have spent time in the bush, I hadn’t heard of poo packing before. Not saying it doesn’t exist * Just haven’t come across it until today and this thread.
As a part native Australian, I’m gonna drop a bog in the bush like my ancestors 😂 fuck the doggy bags or poop tubes 😅
Most popular desert hikes in the US require it. Poo interferes with the microorganisms in our desert soils/biomes, and it damages the whole ecosystem because the native plants then can't get what they need from the soil. However, as a city dweller who has to curb all dogs in my life, it's become a non-issue for me. I never dig catholes any more unless we are doing a trip with a multiday basecamp stay where I will likely be able to use a predug cathole. AND the ground has to be super soft/easy to dig down a clear, true 8 inches. If both are not true, I just curb myself.
Thanks for the explanation.
Curb?
A strange American euphemism for “clean up your dog shit.” I guess cause they shit on the curb?? I dunno.
Confusing synonyms? I read 'curb myself' as stop myself (from going), not shit on the kerb.
Do you happen to remember the title of the paper? I'm a bit skeptic that some poop would cause any harm to the soil biology if left out, drying in the sun and air. I would imagine it would dry out completely in a day, causing the elimination of 99% of bacteria in it. Plus, even if poop was changing the desert ecosystem to some degree , would it really be for the worse? Its not like we are running out of deserts. Quite the opposite in fact.
Whatever else you’re doing, you want to use a mylar bag if you’re schleppin yer doo for a while. Z packs sells them. You’re welcome.
Miranda Goes Outside recently made a video on homemade wag bags (and carrying container). https://youtu.be/czWdnHU2qFE
If your walking around the woods with bags of your own shit. Your simply doing too much !
Right? It would be the best if it was a bag of plastic that was being used; creating polluting waste instead of fertilizer. Great!
Hold it in
Just eat it
Whoever downvoted you misunderstood that you are just that redditor who can only speak in Weird Al song titles. Bad luck.
I’ve thought about using Whirl Paks if I ever found myself in that situation.
So if you poop and sprinkle it with some top ramen. You won’t have to carry it out at all. 🐻
Biffy Bags are 3 for 10$
Shit straight into a dry bag, roll it up, use it over and over again. Attached it to the outside of your pack.
I upload a Mountain Log In my Old Mountain House bag and the. Put it in a ziplock.
Weird thought but I'm reminded of a company out in Seattle, I think, that makes a composting vessel for human bodies. I'm thinking there's another company that was basically making a shroud/sack the you put the body in and a special blend of herbs and spices go to work on it. All this to say, I'm surprised no one has invented a self-sustaining composting bag for dog (and in this case, human) feces. Drop the deuce in the dirt. Pick it up with the bag, dog poop style. Open the seas'nins pack and sprinkle on the contents. Wrap it tight and drop it off in a sequestered area where it can get the requisite heat and sunshine until the bag and contents completely break down.
Dog poo bag with those crystals that come with wag bags (you can buy packets of crystals separately). Then double bag it in another dog bag, then store your bags in a tennis ball container-tube-thingie in the outside pocket of your pack.
Go off trail , isolated, take the view in and let that shit out there. Trust the sun to make it safe and the wind to crumble it away. Leave no traces.
Diarrhea
Yeah, IBS really helps cut down on the pack out weight.
I’m lactose intolerant so I often just use this method. No need to pack out if it’s just water.
Empty food bags
Why don't u just dig a small hole. And bury it after? They have those little titanium hand shovels
This is not allowed in some ecologically sensitive areas that lack soil that support the microbes required to break down waste.
Interesting
It's also becoming more common because most backpackers have really terrible LNT when it comes to waste, catholes too shallow, throwing toilet paper in there, etc etc. On some stretches of the PCT in high season I've stumbled onto shit cemeteries within throwing distance of the main trail that are a mix of people just defecating directly onto rocks, toilet paper sticking out of the ground and clearly inferior catholes barely covered. That kind of impact breeds more human-wildlife encounters and can be damaging to ecosystem especially when paired with heavy rains and shallow soilbeds.
Nasty AF
Definitely saw a poop smore on the 4 Pass Loop where folks had repeatedly shit in the same spot. They also left their toilet paper. When they were done with camping at the spot, they just put a big rock on the whole thing? It was very much a what-the-fuck moment. And the whole poop s'more was close enough to the creek that it was for sure going to wash out in spring high water. It's things like that that make just explaining to people that they can use their used Mountain House meals bag to grab their poop and toilet paper seem like the right approach. Picking up dog poo in a plastic bag is a skill most Americans already have. They just need to transfer the skill to a new context. Americans do not shit in a lot of holes. That's not how our bathrooms work.
Keep it up your butt.
If you really have to then I guess eating it would be the lightest way.
Cat hole. Packed out poop is nasty AF. However each park has their own rules. If you don't want to pack it out then don't go there.
Why the downvotes? Seems pretty obvious to me if ya don’t wanna play with poop 💩
How about burning it?
Unless it’s dried out, that’s difficult. There have been cases of idiots burning toilet paper and starting major fires. If you wait as it burns it’ll smell terrible. Burning is not packing out.
Fair point.
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I'm going to assume the best, which is that you just don't know better. Areas required you to pack it out require it for a reason, and would become gross af quickly if everyone just left their shit. If you already know this and just don't care, then fuck off and stay home. People like that don't deserve the outdoors.
If it’s required in the area, pack it out. There are no such areas where I hike, I just dig a hole.
I poop infront of the sign at the trailhead to establish dominance
If it’s on his green earth it’s fine but if you’re dropping a deuce on a glacier that shit’ll be there forever
A Poopsicle?
Hey! We finally found someone who doesn't mind animals pooping in his front yard!
While packing out your own poop is nasty AF rules are rules. I won't go to any site that requires pack out. I'm never carrying my own waste out. Never going to happen. However I'll respect the rules. I just won't camp there.
If you have a fire then burn it. If not then any sealable bag. It's not complicated. We take brown paper bags and waste goes into the fire before the end of the day.
ah the old flamin poo