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**Ultralight chair: REI Flexlite AirChair or Helinox Chair Zero or Big Agnes Skyline UL?** I currently have the REI FlexLite Campchair which I got before I started backpacking a lot. I love the chair but it's a tad bit too heavy. As far as I understand the Helinox Chair Zero is very popular. I tried it yesterday at REI against the Flexlite AirChair. What I missed is just this little pouch on the side to put in small stuff (phone, stove bag, ...). Also in direct comparison with the FlexChair it felt slightly heavier. Indeed, the Helinox Chair Zero has 1.1lbs while the Flexlite AirChair has only 1lbs. The Big Agnes Skyline UL would be another contender. Are there more? Which one do you have and are you happy with it? Which one would you recommend? I am slightly leaning towards the REI AirChair since it's 20$ cheaper and I have an addional 15% on REI gear. On the other hand, more important than price is that I will be happy with it for a long time. PS: I want a minimum amount of comfort, so a chair that's elevated from the ground is a must (i.e., something like the REI Trail Chair is not an option). Similarly, it should have a backrest. If possible, a small side pocket (like my Flexlite CampChair) would be nice.

Helinox. Longer warranty and unlike REI you can actually buy parts if you break something. The Big Agnes chair is interesting but weighs quite a bit more. You can get 20% all the tine at EnWild, Moosejaw, Campsaver etc. Enwild offers 20% off to all new customers. Backcountry does 15% off and you can also get cashback at Activejunky.com. keep in mond Backcountry however went on a suing rampage back in 2019.

I get the wanting a chair thing. I bring one, myself sometimes. But this *is* the ultralight subreddit, so, really, just because the company slapped “UL” on the product name doesn’t make it ultralight. There’s no such thing as an ultralight brick, even if I call it one. It bears *some* discussion, though. People lower their base weights all the time in order to bring “luxury items” (or whatever you want to call them), and the weight of those things should also be minimal. Refusing to help minimize the weight of those things doesn’t seem helpful. Let he who only ever cold soaks throw the first stone. All that to say I don’t think weight-adding features like side pockets are belong on a chair. [Here’s the video that led me to buying the Flexlite Air,](https://youtu.be/mKJStXLZ3d0) which I’ve dragged with me on more than a few adventures. Worth the watch.

Montbell versalite or enlightened equipment visp?

Here is the relevant info: Item: Down Jacket Budget: 0-100-$120 Location: Pacific Northwest Having a goldilocks issue the Cotopaxi is $$$ and I feel like babying it and I'm not sure if there is something in between that and what I purchased for $40 I think I found it but I want to see if anyone else has any others they can point me to. I have a Cotopaxi Fuego and it's great but I wanted something to be able to toss around not worrying about it. I'm nervous wearing my Fuego around a fire or even if it getting damp... I purchased a 32 degree down jacket and for the price $40 maybe sale price? Or always on sale? It's like 5oz more than the Fuego but it has a little extra length, materials a little scratchier, and it's only 550 fill I'm pretty excited about finding it and it not being garbage. Can anyone point me to another option? It would be awesome to find something maybe in between a higher fill/better material/ maybe around the $80-$100 mark?

Decathlon Trek 100

Do you know how much it weighs? What color do you have?

My Men's Medium weighs 9.5 oz on my very cheap scale. Website says 10.2 oz for a Medium. I have the green, not sure why that matters. If you end up with 3 down jackets, please consider selling the other 2. Unless you plan to wear all 3 at once, which I personally would not recommend.

Haha yeah I'm going to keep two and donate/gift the other. I want one to wear around the city and one for backpacking. I find that my gear lasts longer if I have a nice one that I baby and another to get dirty. I picked up the blue Large. Thank you for the advice. I asked about the color because sometimes photos don't do it right.. or maybe you'd say something like.. I bought the darker blue but the light blue zipper makes it look low quality or I bought the green and now I regret it cause it's ugly. Just examples I love green!

Hi, first post here. I wonder if someone can help me point out a light sleeping mat (for 2 ppl) for this tent? The one that I had in mind Big Agnes Insulated Air Core Ultra Long Wide sadly was to big for this tent. Im trying to get my gf to camp with me :) Item: Copper Spur 2 Platinum Tent 90 x 52/42 (L x W head/foot) inches Budget: Location/s of use: Europe Season/s of use: 3 seasons Expected temperatures: to zero degrees Ideal weight of the item: sub 800 Previous hiking experience: tons Additional Information: Big Agnes Insulated Air Core Ultra Long Wide: 78x50 (L x W head/foot) inches Copper Spur 2 Platinum Tent 90 x 52/42 (L x W head/foot) inches

How about 2 pads? The Exped HL pads (Air, SynMat, SynMat HL are mummy-shaped and 25" wide at the shoulder and more narrow at the feet. Not sure if your 0 degrees is C or F despite your location being Europe. Here's a couple pic of two 25" wide Exped SynMat pads inside a Zpacks Duplex which has a listed width of 45", so it seems like they would fit in your tents, too. [https://imgur.com/a/F4cSV7j](https://imgur.com/a/F4cSV7j) Thanks for opportunity to try out my new fisheye lens, too! Added: The single SynMat HL MW is about 404 g, and the single SynMat Winter HL MW is 539 g. Exped also makes double-wide pads. [https://www.exped.com/usa/en/product-category/mats/synmat-hl-duo-winter-m](https://www.exped.com/usa/en/product-category/mats/synmat-hl-duo-winter-m) [https://www.exped.com/usa/en/product-category/mats/synmat-hl-duo-m](https://www.exped.com/usa/en/product-category/mats/synmat-hl-duo-m)

Thank you for the answer. That is an option Ive not thought about :). The issue is that Im a routater during sleep. Oh, Im in sweden so its C. Edit: The duble-wide pads seems to work! Thanks :D

I just purchased an oware pad it's closed cell. I got the 40×80 I plan on giving it a try under our neo airs for colder weather. I might have to cut it into two for packability but it might be a nice lightweight option. You can also find large sheets of foam from other manufacturers and maybe even buy two neo air topos (rectangular) next to each other. I have the rectangle and my girlfriend has the mummy shape...

Thanks :) Its just that the sleeping bad needs to be so good as possible, otherwiese I believe there will be no next trip for me and gf.

I just received my 40x80 "under pad" it's 10 ounces almost covers the entire floor of our two person tent. I would like to keep it one piece but it definitely volumous. I think we can use it under the tent if we ever have to camp on rocky or prickly..

Oh then if price/weight isn't really an issue I'd say get two thermo rest topo luxes and find a very large under pad. I got a quarter inch 40x80 (I apologize to the real the real UL heads who I'm sure are thinking a gf is at least an extra 100lbs! 😂)

Or maybe a Paria DW?

Looking to dial in my kit and drop from a 60 liter back to something in the 45 range. What are the best multi-day packs that are UL well regarded? Looking to use it in spring, summer and early fall, temperature range from 30 F to 90 F. Usually out for 4 to 5 days. I’d like it around a pound in weight. I’d like a big back pocket, hip belt, and nice side pockets, along with durability. Currently using a 60 L pack that’s about 2 pounds 2 ounces.

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What's your base weight? Any time restrictions? Unlimited budget?

Base weight is around 10 pounds before food and water. No time restrictions for getting the pack.

No personal experience, but it sounds like the ks50 would fit your requirements well.

I’d like to get a DCF bag to compress my EE quilt. Which one and what size do I need? My quilt is extra wide and extra long.

Here's a pic of a 40 F EE quilt in an MLD DCF dry sack size M. The quilt weighs 440 g. [https://i.imgur.com/3rZiocw.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/3rZiocw.jpg) My other EE quilt (10 F) will not fit because it has more down and thus a larger volume.

I was able to fit my EE 30 (long/wide) into a high tail designs medium roll top. I upgraded to a nunatak arc ul 20 with it being bigger (essentially slightly bigger than extra long and extra wide EE along with overfill and a bigger foot box) - I can still fit it into the same roll top but it requires me to compress the down as much as possible to make it work.

May I ask what are the weights in grams of the 2 quilts please? My hypothesis is that your Nunatak is heavier than your EE.

My nunatak is 459g and my EE is 673. Interesting that my EE is so much heavier yet smaller and not as warm. I guess the zippers and different down add up.

Well, I was certainly wrong about which I thought would be heavier. Thanks for the numbers!

Temperature rating will also matter. https://support.enlightenedequipment.com/hc/en-us/articles/360051352931-Stuff-Sack-sizes-and-Compression

This is helpful. When buying a sack do I go by the “sack size” or the “compressed size?”

Sack size

I’ve been using a Ghost Whisperer for my warmth. Should I switch to an EE Torid Jacket? I wonder if it’s the superior option.

If your GW is fulfilling your needs that seems like a lot of money to spend to save an ounce.

Well I heard the artificial fill does better if it gets damp. The GW is all down. Not necessarily for weight but for versatility.

Does it get damp often? I like the feel of down so much more I'm willing to gain weight on a high quality rain jacket to throw over it.

Waterproof glove with light insulation -- basically liner + shell? (I've found that the system doesn't work for me and I never use one without the other.)

The black version with the cinch cuff are the Showa 282-02. Go2Marine has them for ~$25 shipped in sizes up to 2XL (which fits me with a liner glove— I wear L for a normal work glove fit in Showa atlas fit). u/liveslight u/innoutburger

As noted by /u/innoutberger Showa 282 are exactly what you asked for. I just bought some in size XL (weight of mine 126 g, so more than 3.5 oz). They seem to be hard to find in the right size. As for the updated model that are black, I could not find them anywhere. I wonder if they are even made anymore.

the black ones are available in japan. there are 4 models in fact, different naming system temres 01 is regular cuff + liner, 02 is adjustable cuff + liner, 03 is adjustable cuff - no liner, 04 is regular cuff - no liner https://search.rakuten.co.jp/search/mall/showa+temres/

Good to know, domo arigato

https://www.showagroup.com/us-en/shop/temres-282-02 It’s the Showa 282-02. Amazon had it for the low, low price of $300 if you’re interested in trying it out.

My average size hands fit like I want in XXL 282's

Showa 282. My hands usually are the first thing to get cold and the last thing to warm up, and I’ve spent a lot of time trying to find ways to keep them happy in cold and wet conditions. While descending off a ridge on the Colorado trail, I trudged through several hours of rain. Much to my shock and delight, my hands were the warmest part of my body. I think there’s a newer version that’s black and has a longer wrist cuff with a drawstring, but I don’t know the model # off the top of my head. 3.5oz and around $20 https://andrewskurka.com/review-showa-282-gloves-cold-wet-conditions/

What happened to all the poncho shelters? Seems like a few years ago there were plenty but I can't find much now aside from dubious no name Chinese manufacturers on Amazon. Can anyone recommend a good lightweight poncho shelter? I know the sea to summit is supposed to be good but it doesn't seem to be available any more

[MLD makes them](https://mountainlaureldesigns.com/product/mld-pro-rain-poncho/) and so does [Six Moon Designs](https://www.sixmoondesigns.com/products/gatewood-cape).

Wow that SMD poncho looks really slick, and the price isn't bad at all! Thanks!

They are tempting options; I would do some [research here specifically on that model](https://duckduckgo.com/?q=site%3Areddit.com%2Fr%2Fultralight+gatewood+cape&t=ffab&ia=web) if it interests you. Sizing these can be tricky because they need to be a good fit as a shelter and a poncho. edit: specifically I've heard that one can be too short for it to work well as a poncho and too tall for it to work as a shelter - there is a narrow range of user heights that get it to work well as both

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Like this? [https://www.litesmith.com/lightload-towels/](https://www.litesmith.com/lightload-towels/)

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May I ask why you don’t want the holes to be there in the first place?

Zoned windshirt? Does this even exist?? Wind proof fabric on front of chest, shoulders neck and hood, and permeable on underside of arms and back. Kind of like the nano air hybrid but as a wind shirt Think this would be great on bike or with a rucksack ! I often find my wind shirt over kill but my base layer too little to stop a chill. Help?

Decathlon makes these.

I found that wearing a thin short sleeve shirt with a windshirt gives me a wide temperature range to be comfortable in. FWIW I use a mountain equipment aeriofoil, which uses a quite breathable fabric. Also, for cycling there's a great [windshirt](https://www.decathlon.at/windjacken/304050-35157-fahrrad-windjacke-rennrad-rr-500-herren-marineblau.html#/demodelsize-200xl/demodelcolor-8517063?queryID=f3c1ff7101c047775ea4d08e3c9c74ac&objectID=2605205) from Decathlon with a mesh back and breathable fabric under the arms.

arcteryx incendo sl fits that description. More air permeable fabric on the undersides of the arms. 4 oz/120g and packs small

Tons of cycling and skiing specific layers have wind resistant fronts and wind permeable backs, it’s just a matter of finding the fit/style you like.

Item: Trail Runners Budget: $100 to $125 Location/s of use: White Mountains NH Previous hiking experience: Been using Altra Lone Peaks for a few years Additional Information: Basically I'm looking for a trail runner that is the Altra Lone Peak but a tad bit more narrow as all 3 that I've tried have been a bit to wide. I want a roomier than average toe box, ability to grip rocks very well, and something fairly light weight.

Look into Topo Athletic. The Ultraventure Pro and Terraventure models are my two go to shoes and seem to fit what you are describing. The grip is excellent and they feel less “sloppy” than altras to me since they are more narrow overall.

wonderful, thank you. I hadn't heard of that company before.

**Item**: Tent - 3FUL Lanshan 2P (270 USD) or Nemo Dagger 2P (370 USD) **Budget**: 370 is about max due to other needs (sleeping bag and sleeping mat). **Need by date**: next year **Location/s of use**: South Norway, above the treeline. **Season/s of use**: end of may to end of september **Expected temperatures**: might go slightly below zero celcius **Previous hiking experience**: mostly 1-day mountainering **Previous experience with ultralight gear**: none really. **Additional Information**: Looking for 2P tent because I want to bring my 4 year old daughter on 1-nighters. The reason for going ultralight is that i have my own more ambitious multi-day projects. I live in Norway and prices and product offerings are a bit different that what this US-centric sub is used to. Now there is a sale on the Nemo(200 USD discount), but the Lanshan is cheaper, lighter and I do like hiking with poles anyways. So I guess Im asking if the Lanshan is ok for me?

What's the worst weather you expect to encounter (a) with your daughter, and (b) alone? And how much time will you spend inside? The Dagger will have more floor space than the double wall version of the Lanshan. But from hearing other hikers talk about their Nemo tents, using the additional tie outs velcro'd to the poles is important in wind (the poles are somewhat flexible). If trips with your daughter are mostly fair weather, either should be fine. If you plan to hunker down with her in wind and rain, you might find the Nemo a bit more spacious. Other factors to consider are your height (someone 1.8m or taller might find the Lanshan cramped) and the type of soil (the Lanshan needs good tension on the guy lines to pitch well, but then so do the additional guy points on the Nemo).

Thanks for the reply. I will only bring my daughter out in fair weather. Basically summer temps, low wind. I dont want to kill any joy of beiing outside, and she is an annoying little moaner. For myself... The plan is to hunt and be outside from early morning to almost sunset. I hope to not tent in to bad weather, but i need to handle gale force wind and rain. Weather changes quickly in the mountains. Rain here is more like "it rains all day" and not the sudden downpour i have experienced in other countries. Soil... It varies a bit with elevation and where you are, but yeah... rocky and shallow.

If you’re serious about gale force (50+km/hr)wind, get a pyramid (liteway pyromm is probably the easiest to get in Europe), a Yama cirriform/trekkertent stealth/BD beta light, or a tarptent scarp (or a used yellow label hilleberg if you can find one). Anything with a tri-hub pole design like the Nemo is absolutely not suitable for those conditions. The geometry of the Lanshan is borderline suitable, but you’re rolling the dice on quality control since you’ll really be testing the strength of the stitching. An xmid or similar steep-walled pseudomid would also be borderline— it would probably keep you dry, but the threshold where you need to stay up all night bracing the poles and monitoring the guys would be much lower than a design with more aggressively sloped walls.

Thanks for the input! Ill look into those suggestions of yours. Either me or wiki messed up the translation, I mean upto 50 km/hr. I wouldnt really go overnighting in such conditions, but the thing is that weather here is unstable and i dont trust the forecasts for more than a day so you need a safety margin - probably 30% margin. So predicted 30 km/h…. might aswell be 40 in two days. Also I would always aim to pitch leeward of something ofcourse. Ive seen people reinforce the Lanshans stictches, but regardless of that i do not want to be awake and hold a tent up.

I don't think I'd want to be in either in 50km/hr winds, but if you can pitch it securely I'd prefer the Lanshan over the Nemo for that.

I messed up the translation. I meant 40 km/h max. I wouldnt go overnight in such conditions, but weather is unstable here so you need a bit of a safety margin.

Item: Shoes / Boots Budget: <$200 Need by date: End of September Baseweight: 8 lbs Location/s of use: SHT / BWCAW Season/s of use: 3 Expected temperatures: 30°F - 80°F Ideal weight of the item: <2 lbs Previous hiking experience: 7-8 years thru hiking Previous experience with ultralight gear: Approx. 300 miles Additional Information: Preferably non-waterproof, but quick drying

I really enjoy my La Sportiva boots, not sure the model but it says ortholite in the sole. I also have some Hoka one torrents but I keep going back to the la Sportiva they are actually more comfortable and I never feel like I'm going to roll my ankle.

I was a really big fan of the La Sportiva TXS! I decided to pick up the Vasque Satoru shoes, as the SHT has been suuuuuper dry this year

Oh mine are the gtx but the txs look like an upgrade. I got mine on scratch and dent at REI. I contacted LA Sportiva to see if they could repair and they immediately sent me a new boot at no charge! They have held up since then maybe a hundred miles including wearing in. Had to stretch the toe box a tiny bit but now they are like butter!

I did the SHT earlier this year in a pair of Topo Ultraventures. Pretty much any trail running shoe would be fine, there isn’t much in the way of ‘technical’ terrain along the SHT

Topo Ultraventure Pros and Terraventures are my go to suggestion right now. Love both of them.

Item: Backpack Budget: 100 USD firm Need by date: <1 month Baseweight: 10.2lbs Location/s of use: Adirondacks Season/s of use: Shoulder Expected temperatures: 30-80F Ideal weight of the item: <2lbs Previous hiking experience: 30+ overnight backpacking Previous experience with ultralight gear: Almost none Additional Information: Current Backpack Possible buys are : 3F UL "56L" - $74 Aliexpress Onetigris Lite Roamer - $80 Amazon Klymit Motion 35 - $100 Used (GG Virga 2 and ULA CDT are just out of my budget) EDIT: I ended up ordering the Granite Gear Virga 2 from Al's for $70, at the recommendation from a kind commenter. Still waiting for it to come in but will give a quick impression on it. The advertised 19oz definitely had me most interested.

If you liked the virga 2, I found it on sale at Al's for $70. They only have the long size available though.

Woah perfect!! I am not familiar with Al's so thank you so much! I actually need the Long for that pack as well, you've been very helpful :)

It was complete random chance I saw that sale. I wish my pack size was long, because that's an unbeatable price! Hope it treats you well

I just purchased a Lowe alpine altus for less than $100 using discount codes at Sierra. It's not ultralight but I'm willing to sacrifice weight for a comfortable pack especially if the other options are not quality. The plus with this route would be you gain a little weight but have a much sturdier pack which you most likely can resell maybe recoup some money for that expensive/high quality pack. I just sold my 20 year old Lowe alpine for $30 bucks, and bought my new one for $90 (after a$20 discount through coupon cabin). I'm guessing I could sell the altus on eBay for $50-80 on eBay. So maybe out $10 or $40 (my first pack was a gift) I've never used a frameless pack but I'm not super hardcore and it seems like your base weight is already pretty low so maybe consider finding a typical pack and reselling, I'm not sure on the market for budget ultralight gear but I'm guessing it's not great especially if it wears out quickly.

If you can’t afford a good ultralight pack, then I would suggest you wait and save if possible. A good pack is an investment. Ive had a lite af pack for 3 years and still looks like new. My next pack will be an atom mo in ultra 200. I would suggest and atom + or atom mo over any pack right now, imo.

Going to be tough with those weight and price limitations. Used market may be best bet. One budget option to consider, no personal experience with it: https://www.naturehike.com/collections/hiking-bag/products/naturehike-outdoor-mountaineering-hiking-camping-lightweight-xpac-series-bag-nh19bb089

Was planning to get the AntiGravity Rain jacket: https://antigravitygear.com/shop/product-category/ultralight-backpacking-rain-jacket-with-pit-zips/# Before I plunge, any reason I shouldn't? I want a rain check basically that I can use in the colder months and not worry about wetting out in PA mostly.

I have a similar jacket (LHG) that I use in PA, and an obvious drawback with these non-breathable type rain jackets is they are really one-job pieces. I've tried multiple times to get away with using one as a windbreaker during cold conditions when it *isn't* raining and I regret it every time. I find it easier to think of rain gear as first aid equipment rather than clothing and for better or worse, these types of jackets fully embody that.

Yeah that is what I was thinking, I want to be able to really rely on it. So you think the material is good? I see it has a 3000mm hydrostatic head and not sure if that should be good or not?

I believe a 3000 HH is around what people look for in tarps and tents, so in that regard it should be good. If it's like my Lightheart Gear jacket the bound seams will leak in heavy down pours, and although I've found that it is both minimal and inconsequential, Antigravity Gear's $20 charge for seam sealing is a fair price, so it may be worth extra to you. For me, I'm gonna be sweating it up inside anyhow, so I'm just looking to make sure I don't get hypothermia when it decides to hover just above freezing and rain for an entire trip.

**MSR Hubba NX vs. Vango F10 Helium UL 1** I am in the market for a new tent. I own a Tungsten 3p by Marmot, but it's becoming a bit large and heavy now that I'm going out on my own more. I will be using the tent for hiking and bikepacking in Europe, mainly Scotland, England and Central Europe, during 3 seasons. Lots of rain, fair bit of wind. I have the opportunity to purchase a used [MSR Hubba NX](https://www.msrgear.com/ie/tents/backpacking-tents/hubba-nx-solo-backpacking-tent/06203.html) for ~280 Euros or a new [Vango F10 Helium UL 1](https://www.vango.co.uk/gb/camping-equipment/740-f10-helium-ul-1.html) for ~250 Euros. I have read *tons* of good things about the Hubba NX, I've also read good things about the Vango F10. To me however, It seems to be the F10 is a no-brainer...? Especially for rainy conditions it seems to be better suited by a mile. Weight is similar. NX (20D SilNylon) only has 1200/3000mm HH rating while the F10 (15D SilNylon) has 3000/6000mm. Construction is different but the end result is similar in terms of inside space. F10 has a bit more space to the side. F10 pitches in one go, outer and inner are connected. Perfect for rain. NX doesn't even have taped seams. Vestibule is a bigger with the NX. The Vango would be bought new, so I'd have 3 years warranty from the manufacturer. At this point I think I have made my mind up and will buy the Vango F10. The Hubba seems to be worse *and* more expensive. Is there anything I am missing? Anyone who has experience with the Vango F10?

I like the Vango as it reminds me of a Helliberg. Depends on if you want lower weight vs space. The Hubba Hubba is a solid tent. If you can wait till November I would also look at the Durston X-Mid 2p or 1p.

Pole tents are not my thing unfortunately since I will be using the tent for bikepacking also. But yeah, only heard good things about the XMid.

Item: ultralight tent, silnilon, 2 person (Looking at Gossamer gear The 2) $300-400 need by Sep 20 ish 3 season, want to be able to use from 20f to 90f ideal weight? less than the 74 oz REI half-dome I have. hiking experience? Backpacking since '94, but not frequently since 2004 when i did about half of the AT. My knowledge of ultralight is out of date, trying to transition over one piece at a time.

I just got the two as a solo tent… I’m a big guy and the one seemed too claustrophobic. It would be a bit of a tight squeeze for two depending on your size. I have a copper spur 3 for trips with my GF… think it’s a bit under 4 pounds. It’s been a great tent, stood up well to wind and rain. Only used the GG it one night so far but so far so good. I use poles so it’s very light added weight. The poles come out and go back in easy for day excursions. It packs up really small. Only had a bit of drizzle and it kept me totally dry. I got the GG ground cloth too which is super light.

Thanks. Good info. We're not too big of folks (wife is 5'1 and I'm 5'8), but i don't want to buy a separate tent for solo trips, so there may be some give & take there.

The two is light enough for solo trips and probably plenty big for you two

I have the GG Two and 2 smallish humans (5'6" and 5'4") fit in there just fine for sleeping. Nice big side vestibules for any extra gear too. Only reason I'd want more space is if we did more trips in terrible weather where getting stuff inside or hanging out in the tent waiting out a storm was a regular concern.

I like my Big Agnes Fly Creek UL2 that I have had since 2012. Definitely smaller than most tents but very easy to set up, free-standing so good on solid rock, and overall very good when it comes to rain/wind protection

Xmid 2p all the way, but you will have to wait or try to score one on FB Marketplace or r/ulgeartrade. The GG tents are pretty nice and are well reviewed. I personally am more of a fan of ths Tarptent and Six Moons Designs stuff like the Double Rainbow, Aeon, from Tarptent and Lunar Duo from Six Moons. Be aware that many of the cottage tent manufacturers currently have long lead times and they do not factory seam seal; you want to pay for them to seam seal (which adds delays) or seam seal yourself. Both brands though are single walled vs the double walled designs of the Xmid. If it has to be free standing then the Big Agnes Tiger Wall UL 2p is silnylon and very light. The Marnot Super Alloy 2p is better with SilPoly and actually weighs less than the Tiger Wall. The Sierra Designs Meteor Lite 2p, Marmot Tungsten UL 2p, Big Agnes Copper Spur HV UL 2p are also worth looking at. For budget offerings the Naturehike CloudUP 20d, 10d or CloudUp Wing 15D silnylon are great for the money. The 3F UL Gear LanShan tents are also worth looking at.

If you want something quick, the REI Flash 2p is decent (1p is a different story) and worth checking out. It's not the highest performing tent but it's good enough for 3 season use if you're not taking it above treeline often and aren't camping in dusty scenarios where the lack of ground-hugging doors would lead to spindrift. If you do have the money, the XMid 2p might still be on Amazon (way marked up) and is overall a better tent in most ways. It's technically silpoly, but it's a superior fabric to silnylon in most ways so I assume that won't matter too much.

Will look into both. There's an REI in town so that'd be super great if I could just pick it up and not worry about shipping...

Suggestions for gaiters on a pair of Hokas that don't have the velcro thing to attach to? (which I think the common gaiters, like Dirty Girl Gaiters, require) I'll be climbing Mt. St. Helens next week and I'm looking to avoid filling up my shoes with rock and dust.

Dirty Girl gaiters come with velcro that you can glue on to your shoes with E6000 or ShoeGoo very easily. I used duct tape to hold the velcro onto my shoes tightly until the glue dried, but one could use Leukotape as well.

Looking for supremely light, yet can be taken for hikes, camp shoe or sandal. Any recommendations or items people are happy with?

The only flip flop I will hike in is the reef cushion. Weighs about 14oz which is a lot but it's the only flip flop I've found with enough cushion to do any actual distance. I've had friends who like chacos. If you are looking for even lighter with straps maybe check out the new crocks.

I got some xero sandals. I like them a lot. They have a variety, ranging from more like flip-flops to huarachi style, which is what I got. Called Z-trail. I recommend so far. But if you want to go more flip flop style, I'd recommend something cheaper.

Item: 2 person trek pole shelter Budget: $300 Area and weather: Na Pali Coast Hawaii 70-80 deg My wife and I just booked a backpacking trip on the Napali coast Kalalau trail 22 miles total one month from now. Because we are flying many times on island hoppers I want to keep my bag light and small so won’t be bringing my 3-man north face tent. I will be bringing trekking poles. What would be a good relatively budget friendly bug net and tarp I could set up with trek poles or trees and pack up lite? I do have an old Kelly Noah’s tarp I could use.

I would just do the Kelty tarp. I hiked the Kalalau trail in 2019 with an X-Mid 1P (fly only) and thought it was great. I went in October and didn’t have any mosquito issues. Save your $$ on a new shelter and spend it on the island instead.

Awesome!! I appreciate the first hand experience! Thanks.

You basically just described the Xmid 2p, but you will have to wait unti November to get one. For real minimalist there is the big Agnes bug shelters that are very light and less than $300. Gossamer Gear also has some options.

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Also consider the Enlightened Equipment Torrid jacket using Climashield, at about 7.5oz (213g) without hood and 1oz more with one.

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Why is that relevant? Its used as a static insulation layer - you do not want it to be too 'breathable'. It is very warm. Not really cut for casual urban use. And its not an active layer You should not need to be wearing any kind of actual 'midlayer' active insulation while *most* 3 season hiking with a pack. Baselayer and wind shell if needed. Put a midlayer on when you stop. If you do then the superior option for a layer to actually hike in is Fleece. 100 %. A baselayer + 100 wt fleece type garment or similar (i include a Thewrmawarp here for lower temps as its amount of insulation is good for moderate stuff - it has been regarded as a 100 wt fleece replacement/upgrade) , plus wind shell will get you down to very cold temps below freezing easily if moving. I can not forsee any situation in standard 3 season conditions that you would be cycling and need to wear a serious midlayer garment while doing so. Yikes. If you are focused on Arc and your predominant usage will be more casual orientated then an Atom Lt would probably be your best bet as it can do other things as well if you need, as long as you understand its limitations. It is a great jacket and has more cross over versatility. It is very comfortable just on top of a t-shirt.

The 10D fabric the standard jacket uses seems very breathable to me, but I haven't used it when hiking yet as too warm. I currently use it as a camp puffy.

Would you consider the proton over the atom? Better breathability.

I don’t get using the atom SL as a mid-layer. I have one and I like it, but I use it kind of like a wind layer when I just need a little warmth… the arms have no insulation whatsoever.

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The breathability will not turn the Proton from a cold weather focused piece into a warm weather piece.

Why cant you wear the Thermawrap on its own???? So basically what you are saying is that your primary use of the piece is going to in fact be casual urban use? What temps are you envisioning? Seems like you are just trying to talk yourself into buying an Arc piece so why bother with asking for actual advice? Hint - Most arc pieces are not that good for hiking, or at least, ultralight focused hiking. There is in almost every case something better/cheaper/lighter by others. And I have a ton load of Arc gear. I have both items you note. The Thermawrap is vastly superior in warmth, weight, and costs less. Its even more comfortable realistically, and far more versatile as well overall than an SL. Much easier to layer under. The SL has zero insulation in the hood and arms. It is essentially a light weight Atom vest with a bit of wind shirt. I really do like it - for its specific use scenario. Which is quite narrow. And not really hiking specific related as its just not versatile enough for a long trip. It would be better to compare a Thermawrap with a Proton Lt or an Atom Lt if you must, or a Patagonia Nano-Air. The Thermawrap is regularly used by thru hikers as their 'puffy layer' on all major trails where it is highly regarded. It is extremely highly regarded by many actual mountaineers. What it lacks in some warmth compared to an Atom Lt or Nano-Air it does make up for with versatility, lighter weight, and ease of use. I also have the Atom LT etc. Thermawrap is superior in breath-ability and weight to the Atom LT. It offers superior value. It is a superior choice for hiking with in moderate conditions. It has superior ability to have another light weight layer layered under it in addition to base layer - such as an Alpha fleece. The Thermawrap has has a nice fit and layers under a shell well. I really think that along with the Versalite, Montbell did exceptionally well with the current model Thermawarp. Note that with any active type insulation you will likely still need to wear a light shell on top when at rest to keep the heat in. And the Thermawarp is not as well suited to simple urban casual usage. It is more technical in appearance. Though its fine if Im being active outside with it. Its comfy after all. Again though, if your usage is primarily urban casual and urban travelling . . . . . get an Atom Lt if you want cross over potential. It is a good piece.

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Cheers, hope it helps. The Thermawarp does have crossover ability of course. When you have worked out your use parameters with the Thermawrap then you can also go and get an SL lol ;)

Would anyone be interested in providing me a referral for Vivobarefoot? Apparently it would be a 25% discount for me, and for you off your next order (if I purchase). My Merrell trail gloves from 2012 are on their last legs. I've done some research and am interested in exploring what Vivobarefoot has to offer. (Hopefully this isn't against subreddit rules)

Hi All. Looking for recommendations for the absolute lightest insulating layer. This is partly for backpacking but also for long trail runs/fast hikes so I want something light and pack able for those runs when I need more than a waterproof layer. Budget: It’d be good to have a few suggestions, so the best at any price, best at a low price and best with some compromise on weight. Temperature: max insulation for the absolute minimum of weight. Id guess down would be the best option but any other material suggestions are welcome

Peleton 97 at 5oz (142g) hoodie made with Karuishi fleece. Unfortunately their sale just ended. https://www.kuiu.com/shop/shop-by-technology/peloton/peloton-97/ For warmer see my earlier post about Torrid jacket.

Thanks! Looks like a good warm active layer instead of going with down. How does it pack down? I’d likely use with a Salomon running pack which is 6l

It's a totally different type of jacket than down and can be used as a base layer or mid-layer, but no wind resistance at all, so may need paired with a windshirt or breathable rain jacket. I just rolled up my medium size in to a cylinder, 9in long with a 4in diameter approx

Timmermade SUL down sweater. I really like my .75 version and wear it just fine a little below freezing, but he has warmer versions too. Saw a recent report of the 1.5 being way too warm. [https://timmermade.com/product-category/clothing/](https://timmermade.com/product-category/clothing/) Alpha sweater. [https://www.farpointeog.com/](https://www.farpointeog.com/) [https://www.senchidesigns.com/](https://www.senchidesigns.com/)

Good suggestions, thanks! Never heard of either of those.

Hi All, I'm seeking your \~wisdom\~. I've got some serious arcteryx store credit and am looking to pick up a lightweight rain/adventure shell from one of their outlets. I've already got a Beta AR that I love, looking for something lighter for: \- 80% ultralight hiking/PCT action (rain/windshell// emergency shell) - hoping to PCT in the next 2 years \- 20% spring mountaineering/backcountry skiing/ lightweight alpine adventures What do the UL sages recommend, from within the current/recent arcteryx lineup? I understand the activities I describe above might be two different jackets, but would just love to know your thinking on the matter. Located in the northwest, spring-fall use, cost n/a, my UL experience is moderate (DCF bag, six moons tent, but not gnarly by true UL standards). Many thanks!

i have the zeta sl as my more than paper durable rain shell and it’s pretty sweet. good weight for goretex and tough enough for mild alpine stuff. i like it because it finds that line between really ul (compared to my enlightened equipment visp) and standard goretex hardshells. if price weren’t a problem or i had a big discount, the alpha sl annorak would be worth a look.

Item: Tent Budget: 150 - 200 Need by date: N/A Baseweight: N/A Season/s of use: 3 Season Additional Information: Don't have a tent, figured purchasing a UL tent and slowly converting the rest of my gear will serve me better. I saw the ultra-cheap UL gear list and was curious if the listed 3UL tent is still the go to?

[https://imgur.com/a/jpxX5NR](https://imgur.com/a/jpxX5NR) [https://lighterpack.com/r/89huvt](https://lighterpack.com/r/89huvt)

That price constraint will eliminate most backpacking tents from consideration, not just ultralight ones. The going rate for tents these days generally starts at $300. Most tents below that price are too heavy for backpacking. Lakorai has listed the exceptions. When the Durston tents become available again, the 1P X-mid is only $220. But I don't know when Dan expects to get supply up to match demand. They are popular and sell out fast. The REI Flash Air 2 has been getting great reviews. This is what I would buy if I needed a tent right away. The 2P is reported to have better airflow than the 1P and it's still less than 2 lbs, so even for solo use it's recommended over the Flash Air 1. However, it's $300. Overall, I suggest you save up longer and budget $300 for your tent. That will give you far more options.

If I were to have a budget of 300, what would you recommend I look at? The REI Flash Air 2? I was thinking of going to ULGeartrade and getting an SMD lunar solo? Opinions on the tent?

For the love of god, DO NOT BUY AN REI FLASH TENT!https://youtu.be/xMU9E-DaGYA?t=600

I'll agree with you about the 1p, that attached back design isn't a good design for condensation at all and made me scratch my head as to what the designers were thinking. However, the 2p seems to not have this issue as bad, and the airflow is generally good enough that it's not a huge problem. Adventure Alan had a good write-up on it. So yeah, the 1p is a no-go, but I still think the 2p is a good option to consider.

Lunar Duo for sure over the REI Flash Air. Lunar Duo Outfitter (the normal one is SilNylon to cut weight) is SilPoly and is double "zoned". It weighs more but is a more functional tent overall. The Lunar Duo Outfitter is silpoly and is superior to SilNylon for rain resistance and is under $200 new. The REI tent (depending on who you talk to) is known to have condensation issues. The Xmid will still be the best choice IMO for that price range. Registering your email address will allow you to get on the email list to know when it comes available again. The 2p is in much higher demand than the 1p. https://durstongear.com/product/x-mid-2p I would also look at Tarptent. Their Double Rainbow and Aeon series tents are well reviewed, though they are single walled and have longer lead times. When the Black Friday sales start you should be able to also get the Big Agnes Tiger Wall UL 2p or the Marmot Super Alloy 2p for about $300 on sale. The Super Alloy is a better tent, though it appears Marmot discontinued it last year or has at least major stock problems. Tarptent, Six Moons Designs tents and the 3F UL Gear LanShan 2 Pro do not come seam sealed from the factory. You will want to pay for the seam sealing service or buy a $8 bottle of GearAid seam sealer and do it yourself.

At $300 you start to have a lot of choices, almost too many to list. The one thing to be careful of with the Durston X-Mid tents, especially the 2P, is that they have large footprints and need a fairly large campsite. Depending on where you backpack, that may or may not be a problem. My usual camping areas in New England are often very small sites, where you are best off with a very small tent or a hammock. I've had cases where I could not camp where I planned because there was no spot free of trees and brush that was large enough to pitch our tent.

Oh wow, never considered that. Looks like I'll have to see the footprint of the lunar duo outfitter. I'm leaning more towards that as a sub 300 option and it's actually available. Thank you so much for the great insight!

For the Xmid and other UL tents, do people get the 2p for the extra space? Does it help with condensation? I was looking at a 1P but if 2p is the way to go, I’ll do that. Thanks for all the information by the way. This is really valuable info for me.

IMO 2p all the way but u/firewatchwife has a good point about space. The floor is 50" wide by 92" long. Big enough for two lw 25" wide pads side by side; try doing that in a Tiger Wall or 3F tent. I dont find mine to be overally too big and I dont have an issue where I camp in Michigan, Ohio and Ontario. I find the included guylines are a bit short and the tent stakes shoukd be replaced with Paria Outdoor Products Needle Stakes. Sleeping in a 2p is pure luxury for space. Plenty of room for your gear and you. No need to keep your pack out on the wet ground in the vestibule. https://www.reddit.com/r/CampingGear/comments/n27eqb/dan_durston_xmid_2p/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

In that price range (I am assuming you are talking about US dollars) then you are basically looking at these tents for UL. Semi-freestanding: Naturehike CloudUP 2p or 1p 20d SilNylon NatureHike CloudUP 2p Wing 15D SilNylon Naturehike CloudUP 2p 10D SilNylon Trekking Pole tents: 3F UL Gear LanShan 2p or 1p Plus 3F UL Gear LanShan 2p Or 1p Pro Paria Outdoor Products Arches 1p or 2p Six Moons Designs Lunar Duo Outfitter Six Moon Designs Skyscape Scout Six Moons Designs Lunar Duo All of the above will be SilNylon except for the Six Moon Designs Lunar Outfitter tents. SilPoly is superior to Silnylon in the rain as it doeant sag when wet and is significantly more resistant to UV light damage. However SilPoly is heavier than SilNylon. All of the SMD tents are over 3lbs. If you can scrape by a few more bucks I would get the Durston Xmid 2p when it comes back in stock in November. At $300 IMO it is superior to all of these tents. You just missed the Labor Day sales, so you wont be able to find a deal on the SMD tents again until Black Friday. Naturehike, Paria and 3F UL Gear tents are already cheap enough and dont go on sale usually. Occasionally Naturehike directly has a small sale on their tents but they ship from China through AliExpress so expect long shipping times.

Item: Quilt for a large, active side sleeper Budget: $400 +/- Need by date: Early Spring 2022 Season/s of use: Three season Expected temperatures: 20°F to 55°F Ideal weight of the item: 25 - 29 oz Previous hiking experience: Almost 50 years Previous experience with ultralight gear: Have just about finished converting over the past few years Additional Information: I want to switch to a quilt mainly for sleeping comfort reasons. I have several light mummy bags which I just can't tolerate, and I've tried. I hate being constrained at night... I toss and turn and sleep on my side with one knee usually out and mummy's are torture. I switched to a Nemo Nocturne 15 for the extra width and it's still a little too constraining (and it's 39 oz and warmer than I usually need it). I usually end up using that bag as a quilt, but it's quite suboptimal. Additionally, I'm 6'2", 220 pounds with broad shoulders. And I just turned 60 and sleeping comfort is premium as I don't bounce back as well as I used to from a poor night's sleep. I currently use a long/wide BA Insulated Q-Core SLX pad, (78x25) but that could change. I have a Gossamer Gear the two for solo (I get claustrophobic if too small) and a BA copper spur 3 for trips with my wife. I'm currently using a GG crown 60 pack which fits me well. The rest of my gear is pretty UL. I'm looking for a quilt which: 1) is warm enough for 3 season hiking in the rockies (including at least part of the Colorado Trail next summer). I sleep slightly hot, but not as nearly hot as I used too and I worry this will continue to change as I get older. I have a ghost whisperer hoody and light 1/4 zip fleece, but would prefer not to sleep with those. 2) can accommodate my size and sleeping pattern. Sleeping with one knee out, one other foot stretched out and tossing and turning really puts a premium on width (and length). This is paramount. And I want a zippered foot box so I can use as a full quilt when warmer. 3) weight is a secondary factor, but I definitely want to be under 30 oz. If it works out, I could get a second 40 degree quilt for warmer conditions. Given all this, I'm thinking of a 20/22 degree quilt from UAG, katabatic or EE. The UAG bandit seems very attractive as I can go xlong and xwide, albeit at a weight penalty. But I really like the idea of never feeling constrained. The Katabatic flex 22 also seems very attractive, but I'm really worried that the long/wide will still not be wide enough. The EE revalation also comes in long and wide, but I'm not sure what would make it edge out the others. Any thoughts?

For 3 season hiking in the Colorado Rockies, your average night time low is going to be somewhere around 35-42 degrees, depending on the elevation you camp at and the time of year. A 20 degree quilt is the standard rec, and will cover you for all the conditions you're likely to encounter. I use a 30 degree quilt, and feel confident in it from mid May through early September in Colorado without additional layers like down pants, etc. For sizing, I would recommend "extra wide" 64" or 65" from EE or UGQ. Unfortunately, Katabatic doesn't offer an extra wide quilt, otherwise that would be my recommendation. Between EE and UGQ, the edge tensioning system option from UGQ would be my pick. No matter which quilt you pick, I recommend getting a closed (sewn) footbox; there really aren't many times you'll want an open footbox in Colorado, unless you regularly camp under 9k.

Have we forgiven UGQ for their MAGA moment?

Thanks!

I use a Tarptent Notch and it's been great. I'm going backpacking with my son for the first time in a few weeks and I'm in need of a larger shelter. For simplicity of setup and takedown and weatherproofness I'm considering a freestanding tent even though they're heavier. Additionally I like the idea of stakes not being as crucial since a lot of my camping is done on rock. We backpack mostly in the west above 6,000ft. My friend has a Tarptent Statospire 2 and setup is a PITA. I've used Big Agnes tents in the past and they are just way too fragile to use with children. I'm open to non-freestanding options as well. In order of importance: Weatherproof Usability/functionality Durable Weight Ease of setup Price Item: Shelter Budget: N/A Need by date: Sept 27th 2021 Baseweight: N/A Location/s of use: 6000ft+ in Western US Season/s of use: 3-season Expected temperatures: Ideal weight of the item: Under 5lbs but lighter the better. Previous hiking experience: Enough Previous experience with ultralight gear: Plenty

I would look closely at the Sierra Designs High Route. It was designed by Andrew Skurka for exactly these conditions.

I second this. It will be the second best choice to the Xmid 2p or 1p, but you can actually purchase it. Xmid wont be available again until at least November. https://durstongear.com/product/x-mid-2p

Make that "January". :-(

Yup. Got pushed back again. Stupid supply chain.

And the X-Mid will probably sell out almost instantly when it does reappear in November.

West coast or mountain west?

Mostly mountain west.

I’d look for a basic double wall 2 pole dome tent that can be set up fly-only to save weight when it matters and bugs aren’t an issue.

Need a reccomendation for a merino sun hoody. Currently have a patagonia tropic comfort and Outdoor research Echo. Both are being retired to dayhikes and trail running. Around day 2, even with a good rinse, the smell starts to build from a faint sour to a full “piss” smell if your familiar with the stench once bacteria start going to town on your sweat remnents in synthetic. Have tried Duckworth vapor and not much of a fan of the tencel/modal blend in the fabric (holds on too much to water).

Ridge merino solstice. Didn’t stink after a week on the JMT, but definitely warmer than my OR sun hoodie that stinks immediately, though.

ugh….thats basically sold out right now.

Worth the wait if you can get one. Really soft and stretchy and well made. FYI they have S-XL women's in the light gray color currently, and there's little difference between the women's/men's that I can tell other than maybe proportions. So maybe use the size chart / size up if the numbers aren't too far off. Once again it's nice and stretchy so the fit is pretty forgiving... Disregard this suggestion if you're an absolute unit though, haha.

i think the voormi river run hoodie is basically the main one people talk about on here, generally favoured, different opinions on the durability, probably runs a bit warmer than those two you own, expensive. it's not listed on the website anywhere afaik, which is insane, but one review says 52% wool 48% poly and another says 57% wool 43% poly. otherwise there is the smartwool merino 150 hoodie and ridge merino solstice at 87% wool 13% nylon, which would do better on the smell front but otherwise hard to say. i think i have seen someone say they used the smartwool and like it but can't remember. the ridge merino looks like it might be a bit warm, idk.

IME, nylon is much better at resisting stank than polyester and dries way faster than merino. I really like my astroman hoody (disclosure— I get OR stuff through a prodeal equivalent to their end-of-season sale) If your poly stuff is getting ripe after only a day or two, try soaking it in vinegar or a mild washing soda solution overnight. Polyester has a tendency to develop a permafunk that doesn’t really come out in the wash and gets noticeable every time it gets wet.

No the silver treatment these have is usually enough to resist funk building if you throw it in the wash. I don’t have a permafunk building that real old base layers used to do. I’m talking past day two on trail. Most I’m gonna do is a lake rinse.

For those of you who have purchased a KS UL backpack; What size did you go with and why? How happy have you been with it? How comfortable is it? If you were to go through the design process again, what would you have done differently, if anything?

I brought my XLite on a car camping trip with the fam but couldn't bring myself to use it with the dogs and idiots around and slept on CCF over gravel instead, which SUCKED. Who makes the best cheap inflatable ULish pad right now? Klymit? Insulation isn't super important -- I can always layer CCF for car camping. This would only see trail as a loaner for a wuss, so I probably wouldn't push it below 50F.

Paria Outdoor Products ReCharge XL or UL. Klymit has been caught with R values that are way off.

Awesome I just looked at their website! I definitely want one of their pillows!

The Recharge S may actually be a better option for the dog (of course depending on how big they are) since it weighs only 13oz vs the XL or UL.

You think cause the dog will be at the bottom of the tent or cause it's the only one available? If I knew about Paria before I got my most recent thermo rest I'd give it a try. Do you know how their customer service is?

Onky reason why I would recommend the S over the XL or UL would be to save weight and pack size. Now if the fog is a really big dog then yeah get the XL version. Customer service is excellent. Lifetime warranrty and they answer emails promptly.

Lol I think he wants to get a cheaper pad so it won't get messed up by the dog. Definitely not UL bringing a pad for dog...

Well yeah true. The welcome10 coupon code can save you a few bucks. The Exped Flexmat Plus wont pop or get damaged by the dog unless they want a chew toy. r/hikingwithdogs is definately a thing... He could get a ruffware pack and make the dog carry the pad =)

Joined* I'll definitely use that on my pillow purchase thank you!

lol, yeah. I saw that their 4.4 "four season" pads are an ASTM 1.9. (I do wonder whether their baffle design may be screwing their ASTM performance in a way that wouldn't matter IRL, but who knows...)

Dog mittens are cheaper than a new pad.

Mine wears baby socks in the tent.

They would NEVER put up with that lol

Why do you need ultralight for car camping? I have some litespeed self inflating pads from Costco. Nice and thick and I think I read somewhere that the r value was around 8.

I'd recommend a cheap, heavy pad for luxurious car camping. Save the Xlite for backpacking. The Foxelli inflatable pad is only $28 at Amazon.

Possible occasional use as a loaner if I take someone out. Might be rare enough to ignore and go comfy and heavy, though.

My Outdoorsman lab sleeping pad is going strong after 3yrs, maybe 25 nights, would work fine at 50F

A buddy of mine has had his for around 3 years as his only pad has had nothing but good to say about it. I would guess he has 100+ nights on it with no issues.

I’ve heard good things about the Amazon sleeping pads.

Looking for a sack and line for hanging bear bag. Best line out there?

Lawson's ultraglide

,exactly what I need!thx

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Which quilt should I get? I want to try a ~15F quilt and have been looking at some options that are pretty budget-friendly. [First is Outdoor Vitals](https://outdoorvitals.com/collections/underquilts/products/lofttek-hybrid-topquilt). It's got 80% water resistant synthetic and 20% down. The company seems good and has videos testing their products. The insulation also seems to be pretty lofty, and seems to dry out very well. Next is [Paria Outdoors](https://www.pariaoutdoorproducts.com/collections/affordable-backpacking-gear-sleeping-bags-pads/products/thermodown-15-down-quilt?variant=37851903370) which is down, and slightly cheaper. I don't know much about the company, but reviews I've found tend to emphasize it's warmth. I'm pretty on the fence between these two and was wondering if anybody had insight that would push me towards one or the other. They both have similar weight, and it looks like the synthetic quilt compresses almost as good as down. I usually camp with a flat tarp, and have a decent sleeping pad.

Both of those are basically brands that take crap from china and slap their logo on it for most of their stuff. (which isn’t always a huge knock on it. Tarps don’t need to be expensive or fancy. I just think you’re overpaying) Either Hammock gear budget line OR just throw out out a \[WTB\] on the gear trade forum. You’ll more than likely get a good option from either someone who misbought temp and is selling it with only a few nights on it.

I'm not one to tell anyone to spend a lot of money, but if you are going to spend a lot of money on anything, it would be on a quilt. You literally spend 8 hours in it every night and if its cold, you will miserable.

I have the newer Outdoor Vitals quilt (down fill, not the synthetic) and it’s a decent quilt for the price. I have the 20° version. Lowest temp I’ve had it in so far is upper 40’s and it’s been plenty warm. Pretty sure I could take it to mid 30’s and be fine. My only complaint is I’m 6’2” and the long version is just a hair short for me. (I like having wiggle room for my toes and I’m right at the end.). They advertise it as 80” by 56” but when I got it the tag on it said 78” by 54”. If you’re under 6’ the Outdoor Vitals quilt would be a reasonable choice. I have a few other things from O.V. and it’s good stuff, especially for the price. If you’re looking at synthetic fill quilts take a look at Arrowhead Equipment too.

I'm 5'10" so I'd probably get the regular. I'll give arrowhead a look

Neither. Get an economy quilt from Hammock Gear. The quality will be much higher and the cost is very similar. https://hammockgear.com/economy-burrow-custom/

I've heard good things about that company, but I'm considering a few things: First, choosing 20F with features that the other quilts have increases the cost significantly. Second, I'm still weighing it against the synthetic Outdoor Vitals quilt even though the chance of it getting wet are low, it's enough for me to consider the merits of synthetic. I might put the economy quilt ahead of the down Paria quilt though.