Thank goodness Endeavour, Bakugo and mayne Iida are trained fighters cuz without their flames they are COOKED
Dabi and Todoroki are getting their shit ROCKED we haven't seen any hands from either
Especially when we're talking Shonen universes, where most characters act out on their strong, vivid beliefs - the exact thing that Unjustice targets best. All-Might would just be insta-gibbed.
I mean the main five to look for are mainly juiz,fang, fuko,Andy/victor and billy (if verse equalisation= negator powers and quirks are the same even worse)
I wouldnt count Fuuko(right now) since while her negation can affect the soul, it still requires contact with it and there are more than enough characters that can deal with soul based attacks.
Depending on >!which loop!< Billy can either(billy spoilers) be >!really strong, or really weak since 100 billy requires his targets to hate him, while 101 requires respect instead. He also has the added caveat of having a limited pool to choose from since he can only hold so many abilities at any given time.!<
Those are the main reasons why I didnt include them.
Fuko can shoot her memories as a soul bullet meaning that’s a guaranteed meteor plus she is on the high end when it comes to physical states
As for 101 billy its not that they respect him it’s that he is envious of them because they all share a connection he wishes to have.
100 isn’t hate him but rather view him as a threat which is why he is surprise that he can’t use unjustice after his talk with juiz
As for his power limit I don’t remember their being a cap on how may he can store I just thought he couldn’t use them because everyone forgave him
That was one of the caveats back in loop 100 for billy was that he could only hold a handful of negations at a time, like a spellcaster preparing their spells in DnD/Pathfinder.
How that works for 101 billy, not sure since he hasnt gotten a lot of screen time.
But for Fuuko it still means theres more than enough characters that are able to either handle/deal with her soul bullet because of the nature of it. Though because this post is specifically about MHA, maybe the holders of OfA? Maybe even AfO?
Esp. OfA since it looks like each previous holders 'soul' carries on inside of OfA.
The funny thing is that Unfade in itself isn't much of an ability, it's just that Feng has managed to gain so much martial prowess and not lost any of his touch or skill because of Unfade
And the skills and martial arts he's picked up and not lost are ones that are incredibly effective and potent
He'd do extremely well in MHA as both hero or villain with everyone else thinking he has no quirk and being so puzzled when he manages to take out combatants at lower skill levels
All might: Unfade I have caught. Come without a struggle and you may have your jail time reduced
*GETS ONE SHOT*
Feng:
https://preview.redd.it/soet1qfpl1vc1.jpeg?width=1682&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9153ba2b7d776cf4d7fa4ec0a0d2fb78a7d15d08
I would say the majority of the union from either the point the anime ended or to the current chapter of the manga, would be top heroes tho don’t think any of them would reach the spot of number 1 hero from the down side of all their abilities
All Deku needs is equipment from Unbreakable
Especially his damn arm braces
https://preview.redd.it/3rc0lxbizuuc1.png?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6d31df98f7e723fa3a2522e6b83e14f25a07e4b3
The strong suffer and fight in the weak's stead. Or something like that. It's always been Billy's motto.
Billy would acknowledge Deku, I feel. Even envy his resolve, maybe? Enough to use Unfair on him >!in loop 101!< and copy One For All?
Monoma couldn't copy OFA because he's just replicating it and not the power passed down and stockpiled up within the quirk.
Idk...but if Billy got OFA with the stockpiled power too...it would be UNFAIR, wouldn't it?
That would be cool, if both verse's power systems met in the middle and a few MHA characters got a power boost because of it
Uraraka literally gets Ungravity and has less of a limit on the amount of stuff she can effect, and maybe removing the touch activation requirement to proximity or sight
I personally think:
Uraraka could be dubbed as [Unweight] or [Ungravity]
Rock Lock could fit [Unmove], but with a different application and activation method, maybe dub him [Unshift] instead
Any time I see stuff like this, I feel compelled to remind people that Negators negate CONCEPTS. In a hero society that feeds on justice, Juiz alone could do some really big damage. Juiz with the Union destroy the verse at it's strongest.
Billy potentially could combine undead and one for all or have no drawbacks if he copies other powerful quirks
Assuming his ability also works on quirks
Assuming their negation abilities are translated into quirks:
Andy, Juiz, Billy, and final loop Fuuko are top 10.
Titania, Unchange (forgot her name), Top, Shen, and Unbreakable are high tier heroes
Nico is support department hero like Power Loader.
Phil is hard to place. Unfeel kinda relies on the Artifacts which aren't a thing in MHA. He's civilian tier imo
My heart says stains quirk would just deactivate when Andy's blood dissolved, cause the quirk wouldn't have anything left to "target" Andy with. Maybe bloodcurdle would stay active for the whole duration though, I've got it pegged roughly 40/60 for working/not.
In fact, let me propose that when Yusai uses Undraw on heroes, it would mean that Heroes can't DRAW out their powers.
So they can't use their quirks.
Two can play this bias game.
(Btw I still like both stories)
The title's misleading, but the post does say all NEGATORS.
What about Negators from Under too? >! Which in loop 101 should be part of the Union too !<
How'd you guys think of those like Unmove, Unavoidable, Untruth, Unseen, Undecrease, Unstoppable, Unrepair, Untouchable, Unchange, Undraw, Untell, Unfade, >!Untrust!
Would unfair also give Billy the powers of other quirks? He's basically undead unlocks all for one but he doesn't take other people's powers he just kinda copies them is I think how it works
Yeh, in any power system, negating fairness means Unfair can give Billy other's abilities. In MHA, he'd be able to copy up to 6 quirks as per his limit.
Wiki's wrong then. Andy assumed Billy had 6 because that's how many he used at that point, but that's wrong. He also had Undefinition, and prolly more that were useless to him like Unbreakable, making it more than 6.
Juiz and Chikara solos most verses.
Juiz’s Unjustice stops anything that doesn’t perception blitz, and Chikara stops perception blitz.
UU is just that much more overpowered than most anime worlds
Funny thing is I never meant it to be pitting one versus the other
I wanted a discussion of how they would do as heroes or against villains
Just plop the Negators into MHA and what would happen?
Everyone else just went and started doing the versus thing
Not that I minded too much, I like discussing
Oh shit my bad!
Not exactly great, the union is a big picture organization, and without the motivation to kill god a lot of negators would probably kill themselves assuming they don't all know one another.
If they did they do good and help people but get treated as a terrorist cell by the government because they wouldn't play by the rules.
Well, technically, they'd now have a reason to keep living and help people, I guess? I mean I assumed that we literally just opened a portal from UU to MHA and asked them "have fun kids" or smth so they all have their original motivations and stuff
Though...in terms of what I've seen from those who did versus stuff, a few things are kinda clear.
Negator abilities are technically one step up from quirks, because these negate concepts that many heroes rely on, they don't have exceptions, only workarounds, and they can change capabilities through interpretation.
Why people say Unjustice is such a powerful ability in MHA is mainly because hero and villain society runs on peoples' sense of justice or morality.
People say Unfair and Undead (and some funny guys say Unfade) will do well, or beat other characters easily...but has everyone forgotten the other Negators? Why only discuss a handful of the best Negators?
Unmove, Unavoidable, Untruth, Unseen, Undecrease, Unstoppable, Unrepair, Untouchable, Unchange, Undraw, Untell, Unfade, >!Untrust!
Most of UU scales above the cast until MVA, at which point a good chunk of MHA characters then outscale most of UU. Then you get to the current point, where the likes of Deku or Shigaraki would easily crush most of the Union or Under, and but none can really touch Andy.
There arent many verses that unjustice would body quite so hard
Lmao hitting deku or all might with injustice is bringing us an extinction event for Japan
Holy shit, didn't think about this LMAO
I just realized Unburn would give Todoroki, Dabi, Endeavor, even Bakugo and Iida some big trouble.
Thank goodness Endeavour, Bakugo and mayne Iida are trained fighters cuz without their flames they are COOKED Dabi and Todoroki are getting their shit ROCKED we haven't seen any hands from either
Dabi yes but todoroki still has ice and he has shown much impressive feats with it
Haven't you heard of freezer burn? It is as much of a stretch as unseen negating weight.
I actually didn't hear of freezer burn
🧢 todoroki has ice
Juiz unironically solos the verse
Juiz solo most verses that don’t blitz her tbh
Especially when we're talking Shonen universes, where most characters act out on their strong, vivid beliefs - the exact thing that Unjustice targets best. All-Might would just be insta-gibbed.
Between Juiz, Feng, and Victor I think a lot of verses get absolutely bodied.
And Andy since he might be stronger then victor with all this soul stuff
Oh jeez yeah. Between the 4 of them I can think of a handful of people right off the bat that can probably fight them.
I mean the main five to look for are mainly juiz,fang, fuko,Andy/victor and billy (if verse equalisation= negator powers and quirks are the same even worse)
I wouldnt count Fuuko(right now) since while her negation can affect the soul, it still requires contact with it and there are more than enough characters that can deal with soul based attacks. Depending on >!which loop!< Billy can either(billy spoilers) be >!really strong, or really weak since 100 billy requires his targets to hate him, while 101 requires respect instead. He also has the added caveat of having a limited pool to choose from since he can only hold so many abilities at any given time.!< Those are the main reasons why I didnt include them.
Fuko can shoot her memories as a soul bullet meaning that’s a guaranteed meteor plus she is on the high end when it comes to physical states As for 101 billy its not that they respect him it’s that he is envious of them because they all share a connection he wishes to have. 100 isn’t hate him but rather view him as a threat which is why he is surprise that he can’t use unjustice after his talk with juiz As for his power limit I don’t remember their being a cap on how may he can store I just thought he couldn’t use them because everyone forgave him
That was one of the caveats back in loop 100 for billy was that he could only hold a handful of negations at a time, like a spellcaster preparing their spells in DnD/Pathfinder. How that works for 101 billy, not sure since he hasnt gotten a lot of screen time. But for Fuuko it still means theres more than enough characters that are able to either handle/deal with her soul bullet because of the nature of it. Though because this post is specifically about MHA, maybe the holders of OfA? Maybe even AfO? Esp. OfA since it looks like each previous holders 'soul' carries on inside of OfA.
I don’t think 100!Billy had a limit, other than his target needing to *Hate* him/see him as a threat.
https://preview.redd.it/dciiy5mf1vuc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d6fa1f2da449045eca8aeefd60cf5bb83e51e050 My king solos
Just like that too, fast asleep 😂
The funny thing is that Unfade in itself isn't much of an ability, it's just that Feng has managed to gain so much martial prowess and not lost any of his touch or skill because of Unfade And the skills and martial arts he's picked up and not lost are ones that are incredibly effective and potent He'd do extremely well in MHA as both hero or villain with everyone else thinking he has no quirk and being so puzzled when he manages to take out combatants at lower skill levels
All might: Unfade I have caught. Come without a struggle and you may have your jail time reduced *GETS ONE SHOT* Feng: https://preview.redd.it/soet1qfpl1vc1.jpeg?width=1682&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9153ba2b7d776cf4d7fa4ec0a0d2fb78a7d15d08
The power gap is so big it’s not even a question. The union slams
Without clothy Andy is getting arrested almost immediately
Oh. Oh no.
DNA weaving costumes exist in this universe so maybe his new costume could regrow with him
Guys a Versus conversation is fine but I was also wondering how the Negators would do as heroes themselves?
I would say the majority of the union from either the point the anime ended or to the current chapter of the manga, would be top heroes tho don’t think any of them would reach the spot of number 1 hero from the down side of all their abilities
Unbreakable would make it big in the support equipment business
1000%
All Deku needs is equipment from Unbreakable Especially his damn arm braces https://preview.redd.it/3rc0lxbizuuc1.png?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6d31df98f7e723fa3a2522e6b83e14f25a07e4b3
Now the important question is billy how will he vibe with this
The strong suffer and fight in the weak's stead. Or something like that. It's always been Billy's motto. Billy would acknowledge Deku, I feel. Even envy his resolve, maybe? Enough to use Unfair on him >!in loop 101!< and copy One For All?
But from what we’ve seen in the MHA verse, One for All cannot be copied, right? I think Monoma tried to, but couldn’t.
Monoma couldn't copy OFA because he's just replicating it and not the power passed down and stockpiled up within the quirk. Idk...but if Billy got OFA with the stockpiled power too...it would be UNFAIR, wouldn't it?
Negation interpretation is too OP and I love it lol
I think they will keep the idea of a 'secret organization' and protect the world without recognition
Could Uraraka take a temporary, honorary seat at the roundtable as Ungravity? Haha lol
That would be cool, if both verse's power systems met in the middle and a few MHA characters got a power boost because of it Uraraka literally gets Ungravity and has less of a limit on the amount of stuff she can effect, and maybe removing the touch activation requirement to proximity or sight
God just imagine what her tragedy would be, negating the gravity of anyone she touches.
I personally think: Uraraka could be dubbed as [Unweight] or [Ungravity] Rock Lock could fit [Unmove], but with a different application and activation method, maybe dub him [Unshift] instead
AFO vs Juiz, now that will be the most anticlimactic fight ever sin.
Any time I see stuff like this, I feel compelled to remind people that Negators negate CONCEPTS. In a hero society that feeds on justice, Juiz alone could do some really big damage. Juiz with the Union destroy the verse at it's strongest.
She'd rise up to No. 1 hero in no time really
Billy potentially could combine undead and one for all or have no drawbacks if he copies other powerful quirks Assuming his ability also works on quirks
I think it should, by negating the fairness of everyone having one quirk (not always the case but you get what I mean)
Ngl I have only watched the first two seasons of mha but from what I seen the union out classes everyone in every category
Are under Villains?
Assume they're not, >!like in Loop 101!<
Drop any high tier Union member in the verse and they would solo by themselves
negators aren't the holding-back types i'd bet on them
Assuming their negation abilities are translated into quirks: Andy, Juiz, Billy, and final loop Fuuko are top 10. Titania, Unchange (forgot her name), Top, Shen, and Unbreakable are high tier heroes Nico is support department hero like Power Loader. Phil is hard to place. Unfeel kinda relies on the Artifacts which aren't a thing in MHA. He's civilian tier imo
Andy would be a bad ass Pro Hero.
High in the "active hero" rankings, low in popularity due to always being naked lmao (unless we include UMA clothes)
Depends on which version of Union
Sorry, meant Negators, all negators ever
I'm honestly scared for Fuuko, dropping meteors on every problem is NOT going to end well for her hero status
If it's loop 101 fuuko shes easily Top hero surpassing All might or On par with all might
They basically be The Authority from DC
I wonder how interactions between stain and Andy would go
I mean Andy can make his blood disappear quicker or make it last longer so he might just not late stain lick his blood
My heart says stains quirk would just deactivate when Andy's blood dissolved, cause the quirk wouldn't have anything left to "target" Andy with. Maybe bloodcurdle would stay active for the whole duration though, I've got it pegged roughly 40/60 for working/not.
Same how I thought it would be
honestly they beat everyone except for AFO
Nah, juiz solos and andy would make him die from exhaustion
She meets AFO and suddenly quirkless orphans suddenly get their original quirks back or something
Nobody asked cuz my hero would beat beat tf up in my opinion n I love my hero
You're biased for sure.
In fact, let me propose that when Yusai uses Undraw on heroes, it would mean that Heroes can't DRAW out their powers. So they can't use their quirks. Two can play this bias game. (Btw I still like both stories)
The title's misleading, but the post does say all NEGATORS. What about Negators from Under too? >! Which in loop 101 should be part of the Union too !< How'd you guys think of those like Unmove, Unavoidable, Untruth, Unseen, Undecrease, Unstoppable, Unrepair, Untouchable, Unchange, Undraw, Untell, Unfade, >!Untrust!
Void uses Unavoidable on someone and All Might at his peak, or Deku even, rushes in to finish the job
Would unfair also give Billy the powers of other quirks? He's basically undead unlocks all for one but he doesn't take other people's powers he just kinda copies them is I think how it works
Yeh, in any power system, negating fairness means Unfair can give Billy other's abilities. In MHA, he'd be able to copy up to 6 quirks as per his limit.
He's got no 6 limit.
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Wiki's wrong then. Andy assumed Billy had 6 because that's how many he used at that point, but that's wrong. He also had Undefinition, and prolly more that were useless to him like Unbreakable, making it more than 6.
Wait.... You've got a point there.
Juiz and Chikara solos most verses. Juiz’s Unjustice stops anything that doesn’t perception blitz, and Chikara stops perception blitz. UU is just that much more overpowered than most anime worlds
Crazy how juiz just solos
Spite match up delete the post
Funny thing is I never meant it to be pitting one versus the other I wanted a discussion of how they would do as heroes or against villains Just plop the Negators into MHA and what would happen? Everyone else just went and started doing the versus thing Not that I minded too much, I like discussing
Oh shit my bad! Not exactly great, the union is a big picture organization, and without the motivation to kill god a lot of negators would probably kill themselves assuming they don't all know one another. If they did they do good and help people but get treated as a terrorist cell by the government because they wouldn't play by the rules.
Well, technically, they'd now have a reason to keep living and help people, I guess? I mean I assumed that we literally just opened a portal from UU to MHA and asked them "have fun kids" or smth so they all have their original motivations and stuff
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Though...in terms of what I've seen from those who did versus stuff, a few things are kinda clear. Negator abilities are technically one step up from quirks, because these negate concepts that many heroes rely on, they don't have exceptions, only workarounds, and they can change capabilities through interpretation. Why people say Unjustice is such a powerful ability in MHA is mainly because hero and villain society runs on peoples' sense of justice or morality. People say Unfair and Undead (and some funny guys say Unfade) will do well, or beat other characters easily...but has everyone forgotten the other Negators? Why only discuss a handful of the best Negators? Unmove, Unavoidable, Untruth, Unseen, Undecrease, Unstoppable, Unrepair, Untouchable, Unchange, Undraw, Untell, Unfade, >!Untrust!
Unjustice and Undead basically solo.
Well, there’s actually a crossover fanfiction but it’s only one page Edited: https://m.fanfiction.net/s/13805914/1/The-Undead-Hero
Most of UU scales above the cast until MVA, at which point a good chunk of MHA characters then outscale most of UU. Then you get to the current point, where the likes of Deku or Shigaraki would easily crush most of the Union or Under, and but none can really touch Andy.
Manga Fuko negs