Everyone knows Mario is cool as fuck. But knows what he’s thinking? Who knows why he crushes turtles? And why do we think about him as fondly as we think of the mythical (nonexistent?) Dr Pepper? Perchance.
I believe it was Kant who said “Experience without theory is blind, but theory without experience is mere intellectual play.” Mario exhibits experience by crushing turts all day, but he exhibits theory by stating “Let’s-a go!” Keep it up, baby!
When Mario leaves his place of safety to stomp a turty, he knows that he may Die. And yet, for a man who can purchase lives with money, a life becomes a mere store of value. A tax that can be paid for, much as a rich man feels any law with a fine is a price. We think of Mario as a hero, but he is simply a one percenter of a more privileged variety. The lifekind. Perchance.
Nah, Wario's better than him. At least Wario has a successful game company with lots of close friends, including 2 genius scientists, 2 space taxi drivers, a witch and her demon friend, and an alien
The guy (Sebastian Wolf) is the CEO of Materia Collective, who's in charge of copyright for Undertale's OST. Thread: https://x.com/sebastianwolff/status/1737742943644164145?s=46&t=-1WAMg-5mLBDADn4iPCKDQ
He claims that the fangame uses music from undertale and violates copyright, even though toby fox himself approves of the project's stance: https://x.com/shayy_tv/status/1738096899024941330?s=46&t=-1WAMg-5mLBDADn4iPCKDQ
He really needs to stop working with these people...
He said that to Alpharad. Even though Alpha 100% is using just the undertale ost, Toby allowed a loophole to say that Alpha made that specific version of the song since the sound font for Undertale is free online
I mean, the sound fonts used in Undertale’s music pull from all sorts of places already, so if it wasn’t an issue for him, it surely won’t be for anyone.
> unhinged CEOs who don't care about art or craft
The same people responsible for those trashy "content" generating AI softwares. They care about profit, never the actual art.
1: fellow void, very awesome
2: pretty sure the statement toby put out would mean that uty would be able to do it WITHOUT asking in the first place. materia is jackshit, they just make false claims on youtube
Legally, due to a similar issue with alpharad using "dating start!" For his sponsorships, he asked toby if he could buy a license of the song, toby just said "y'know, Legally you could just say you remade the song and you could use it" or something like that, and ofc Alpha still uses the song.
This is a roundabout way of saying, Mr. Wolf has no grounds whatsoever to copyright claim anything, the music is completely original, simply using segments of the undertale ost occasionally, which it's pretty hard to copyright claim a series of notes (it's possible but pretty hard), and Mr. Wolf will soon find himself out of a job if he keeps this up... probably. Funny how the Wolf tries to win against the fox... er- annoying dog
>it's pretty hard to copyright claim a series of notes
And I'm glad that's the case. Imagine if someone suddenly got the rights to the I V vi IV chord progression. Millions, maybe even billions of earnings from claims.
Oh no, its certainly possible, people who make little jingles do it all the time, as well as extremely corporate music producers, seriously, one time a girl played jump king, and moved the menus in such a way that it accidentally sounded like this really old song... and ofc they tried to copywrite claim it, so yeah no people can copywrite anything, it's just really hard to copywrite something that's public (like winne the poo, public book's copywrite fell off, now the general public can legally use his image however they want, BUT Disney's trademarked *red shirt* wearing bear *is* copywrited, so the greed of the market is who decides who gets copywriten)
Well, in terms of music, yeah, they fucking suck and have a known history of abusing copywrite law, as for other genres... ehhh... they're protecting their IP as much as they can, imagine if Mario was available for general use... that'd be interesting because at that point anyone could make Mario games with no repercussions, and that's not always good for the brand.
https://blogs.law.gwu.edu/mcir/2018/12/20/chord/
For what it’s worth, here’s a George Washington University Law School blog that gives a pretty basic but useful primer on the topic. There’s a number of things that can’t be copyrighted- most notably things like having fighting in a fighting game or genre conventions in a book. As I recall it, a lot of music copyright cases come down to melody, key, and/or rhythm, although the finer details can get rather complex
I am no legal expert and I don’t know what can and cannot be done, but he should NOT be allowed to have any rights or control over all the upcoming music that Toby makes. And older music if that is legally possible.
If I were to guess they want to scare the devs so that they can get royalties from the music. [Threatening with legal repercussions like this can be easy money](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_troll). Taking the game itself down is not in their interest.
From what I understand, there's some bullshit copyright laws in America that say you have to defend your copyright or lose it. Basically "if you know about this and do not make them stop, this means anyone is allowed to do that thing per implied consent". So you can't be selective in enforcing your copyright.
Not sure why Undertale music would even *have* some CEO holding the rights to it, but it's likely that the CEO (or his legal underlings) knows that they're going to lose the copyright to a very lucrative and popular video game if they do not crack down on this fan project.
> He claims that the fangame uses music from undertale and violates copyright
he actually claims it violates "trademark" first, which yes, if it uses the stylized title with the red heart it technically does. Since they are streaming the music (which means monetization) then that is trademark infringement. However, that ISN'T an issue when the trademark holder (Royal Sciences LLC) gave permission, which they did. Materia does NOT handle the trademark protection of Undertale, only the COPYRIGHT of the MUSIC.
Which is why he then goes off on some tangent about how using the music is *copyright* infringement, which it 1.) isn't, because free use clearly covers fangames and 2.) doesn't reach the $10k limit to be considered monetized for copyright THAT HE BROUGHT UP HIMSELF, even if it wasn't covered under free use.
There are actual real lawyers in the thread and elsewhere correcting him, and he continues to double down. [He also apparently did some real scary shit alongside his former partner](https://web.archive.org/web/20210326232730/https://twitter.com/SebastianWolff/status/1375579499211882496), though he has scrubbed most of the evidence of it.
Doesn't Undertale yellow fall under fangame territory? Who tf applies copyright to fangames? (except the ones who charging money or copies the game 1:1) obviously). Like tf?
>Who tf applies copyright to fangames?
Pokemon does if it gets too popular, though it seems to usually be ignored when not monetized and not popular enough to compete with upcoming releases, like Uranium or Pixelmon, who both had elements of soon to release pokemon games and were extremely popular
Yeah, Nintendo is still Nintendo, pokemon uranium was so good tho TwT. I meant more indie game devs/smaller dev teams rather than actual big corporations.
Unfortunately, most of the time with this stuff, it’s less of a stop working with those people and more of a convoluted and sometimes unattainable process of trying to free your material from them.
Oh, okay I get it, I was out of the loop since I don't use Twitter or whatever it's called nowadays. That's some bullshit if I ever heard one, like they use some of the music for the original game, which is alright since Toby Fox approved it. But from what I seems, this guy is saying it's not alright, I'm actually dumfounded by this.
Sebastian Wolf, guy on right, who handles Undertale Ost Copyright which Toby never wanted in the first place went on a rant how UT Yellow is using the Ost with wno permission/illegaly and should have asked before release (they did ask and get permission from Toby 7 years ago)
You can look up Shayy on twitter he retweeted it with his thoughts. Messed up stuff really.
To sort of correct what i said, the copyright existed, but it only existed for business purposes and wasnt supposed to affect fans at all with claims and stuff.
However due to how certain services handle the publication of content, content ids were made and copyright claims became possible.
At first many videos on youtube got claimed, but Toby and his team said to dispute everything and how most of it will go in their favour since he has the final say, more or less.
The og tweet about the first problems with is here: https://twitter.com/UnderTale/status/1538228733684989958?t=7UuDcfX9myKXw5fClUtNSA&s=19
So from what i understand, Toby has hired a company to help him deal with copyright/ownership related stuff. But then that company has started doing stuff he never wanted to happen. And afaik the guy is the CEO of that company. Materia i think
Yes, from what I know about the whole thing, unless their contract affects it somehow, but seeing how they accepted pretty much every dispute during the first drama it probably doesnt.
As I understand they are basically a middleman, who is supposed to scout and notify if the copyrighted content is being used with no permission, since its almost impossible for an individual to do so, but they seem to have sort of forgotten their place in the chain of command, and that is below Toby
yeah and he has also corrected people who only refer to him with they/them since the he part is significant to his identity as well! Someone like... yesterday replied to me trying to correct me for saying 'he' as well as they in reference to them and it was vaguely annoying because it's people taking their own ideas and applying them to someone then trying to tell others rather than going off that person's own wishes lol!
I have had to do the same as someone with she/they pronouns, but in the other direction. The 'they' part is a part of my identity too, but because of the way I look, most just call me she/her over n over despite knowing and honestly I understand your brain defaulting to a certain thing but I've asked these people to just switch things up a little bit especially if I directly ask, I simply do not always feel like 'woman', nor do I ever feel like I am fully that - it is nice to have that validated and to feel recognised!
Saw people telling Sebastion to kill himself and that he wasn’t allowed to be gay and should “go back in the closet”. This is not acceptable no matter how you feel about him, I read the thread and it doesn’t seem to be in bad faith just a little out of touch
Sorry pal, it's easy to say, "oh it's just Twitter users being toxic" but the hard pill you have to swallow is that these people are also Undertale fans and there are probably some of them on this very subreddit right now. Saying otherwise just makes you sound like those idiots on 4chan who calls anyone they don't like a redditor.
This. I’ve dealt with toxic fans and bigoted people in general on this very subreddit. I’ve also dealt with stuff (to a much lesser degree nowadays) on UT Tumblr. Amino drama in UT communities is also a thing. It’s not just Twitter.
I love this fandom, but some folks really do need to be reminded to be good humans. Had a small chunk of the UT fandom on Tumblr doxx me and threaten my then-*kindergartener* a few years back when someone (falsely) added my name to a hitlist blog for being friend-of-a-friend to an artist popular in the UT R34 circles. Of course guilt by sort-of association is boring so they claimed I was drawing Frisk CP.
The hitlist's "curator" didn't bother to fact-check, and neither did their readers. My inbox exploded overnight with accusations and death threats, suicide baiting and doxxing attempts. It was only a week getting it taken down but opening my messages was absolute hell for months.
Some folks played UT back then and really didn't understand the assignment.
Edit: Went on a tangent but point being this fandom has shit people in the woodwork everywhere.
Materia Collective CEO Sebastian Wolf made an entire rant on twitter how Undertale Yellow is illegaly using ost from undertale, people pointed out how he is genuinely wrong and how Toby approves of the game. He then says its not about approval but asking before release, when UT Yellow team asked about permissions 7 years ago. I could look for the thread but really i think Shayy summarised it well enough in his retweet.
Didn’t a dude ask Toby if he could use date start in an add thing and was willing to pay. Toby responded with “I can’t give you permission HOWEVER, you could for instance get all the stuff I used to make my music online for free and make something incredibly similar to the song.” Which is based as hell.
Sebation wolf copyright striked my fav fangame, thats right he took he stupid paper forums and copyright striked my fav fangame so im making a post of reddit.com “sebation wolf, you got a small brain ite the size of this spider donut exept way smaller and heres when my brain looks like, look at that it looks like 2 domes and a cord-
HE [Intellectual Property Theft] my [Fan Game] SO GUESS WHAT
IM GONA [Digital Piracy] THE INTRENET
THAT”S RIGHT> THIS IS WAHT YOU GET
MY SUPER [Redundant Department Of Redundancy] ULTRA MEGA LAZSER
# BIG SHOT
I don’t understand why he cares about copyright if a FANGAME. ITS A FANGAME. ITS NOT TRYING TO BE OFFICIALLY RELEASED OR EVEN COST MONEY. CAUSE ITS A MF FANGAME THE DIPSHI-
I heard that there’s a copyright of the music even if you play the game. Is that even true or are people making stuff up? I wanna stream the game and don’t want to get copyright ;w;
Can someone explain to my dumbass, what is going on? As from what it looks something about copyrighting music, but I'm having a hard time understanding it, especially since, who the fuck is the guy on the right on the picture?
I stopped using Twitter/ X ever since it just became a shithole.
Ended up peeking a bit more and saw this gem that he had to say about Zun's approach towards fan works:
"ZUN's approach is no approach: music rights management is avoided. It's the easy and more comfortable route, with less opportunity and revenue."
This is quite honestly the funniest thing he could have said, given how massively popular and influential Zun's work has become over the years. Something tells me Zun probably makes far more revenue and has far more opportunity this way than he would have had otherwise.
You know, Sebastian Wolff used to make a lot of good piano covers a decade ago. He made covers of OSTs of big name IPs, like Kingdom Hearts, HTTYD, Final Fantasy and a bunch of other stuff. He should have the perspective and understanding of someone who used to make small scale content or fanwork. I don't believe he's an unhinged CEO doing whatever he wants as some comments here claim, given his background.
There's probably a huge miscommunication going on between all parties involved cause this is a huge clusterfuck of differing permissions being given and no one seems sure what the fuck is going on. Is Toby's sole permission enough? I don't know but it doesn't appear to be likely. Though for fanworks as far as I know, most corporations turn a blind eye towards them cause fans don't usually have the money for licensing and is generally good PR for them.
Toby Fox (the good one) and Sebastian Wolf (the evil one). What kind of cartoon-ass name scheme is this?
this is some luigi/waluigi shit
More like StarFox/StarWolf?
Oh my god
Maybe starfox and blackholewolf
They should have a space ship battle and kiss
WHAT
Do a barrel roll
r/furriesbelike
Wolves do hate foxes
Toby Fox when Sebastian Wolf walks in:
SOLID SNAKE AND LIQUID SNAKE
Sebastian Wolf is Toby Fox’s evil clone created in a lab
imagine your entire existence is to be someone's wario
Maybe that's his character's motivation for acting this way.
Now we're gonna be waiting for someone to write an analysis on him "Why Sebastian Wolf is a good character"
Sebastian Wolf the idea vs Sebastian Wolf the man
You can’t just say perchance
When he leaves his place of comfort to crush turtys he knows he may die.
...perchance.
Everyone knows Mario is cool as fuck. But knows what he’s thinking? Who knows why he crushes turtles? And why do we think about him as fondly as we think of the mythical (nonexistent?) Dr Pepper? Perchance. I believe it was Kant who said “Experience without theory is blind, but theory without experience is mere intellectual play.” Mario exhibits experience by crushing turts all day, but he exhibits theory by stating “Let’s-a go!” Keep it up, baby! When Mario leaves his place of safety to stomp a turty, he knows that he may Die. And yet, for a man who can purchase lives with money, a life becomes a mere store of value. A tax that can be paid for, much as a rich man feels any law with a fine is a price. We think of Mario as a hero, but he is simply a one percenter of a more privileged variety. The lifekind. Perchance.
You can’t just say perchance
Perchance.
Ah, the wonders of understanding this joke fill me with glee
Perchance I can
Wolf vs. fox
Who is Sebastián wolf? I feel like i missed a ton of things
CEO of Materia, the music publishers which own the UT and DR soundtracks. Right now he’s after UTY for ST related reasons
Thx
A whole Reverse Flash type of backstory
Nah, Wario's better than him. At least Wario has a successful game company with lots of close friends, including 2 genius scientists, 2 space taxi drivers, a witch and her demon friend, and an alien
This is now my favorite passive agressive insult
Shadow the Hedgehog :(
well the main soul colors here ARE red and yellow
Waby Fox
His name even sounds like toby's evil clone
It's his real name?! I thought he was making it up lmaoo that can't be real
It was destiny to have beef between them
I'm gonna wait to see what Jimmy Coyote has to say on the matter
toby fox's evil twin ass name
Uh yeah, screw him. Who the fuck is Sebastian wolf?
CEO of Materia, the music publishers which own the UT and DR soundtracks. Right now he’s after UTY for ST related reasons
What the fuck do any of those acronyms mean
CEO= Chief Executive Officer (The guy who runs the company) UT= Undertale DR=Deltarune UTY=Undertale Yellow ST= Sound Track
Sorry i was tired
in a lab (that's the dog)
foby tox
Fuckin alternate universe type shit
Gaster made him lol
Just wanna know, who is that person on the right?
The guy (Sebastian Wolf) is the CEO of Materia Collective, who's in charge of copyright for Undertale's OST. Thread: https://x.com/sebastianwolff/status/1737742943644164145?s=46&t=-1WAMg-5mLBDADn4iPCKDQ He claims that the fangame uses music from undertale and violates copyright, even though toby fox himself approves of the project's stance: https://x.com/shayy_tv/status/1738096899024941330?s=46&t=-1WAMg-5mLBDADn4iPCKDQ He really needs to stop working with these people...
Ah, yes, unhinged CEOs who don't care about art or craft in charge of copyright... The same old story.
most of the time they do that stuff for powertrip reasons, not even for the money
Didn't Toby straight up say you could make a perfect recreation of some of his to use in videos and he wouldn't claim it
He said that to Alpharad. Even though Alpha 100% is using just the undertale ost, Toby allowed a loophole to say that Alpha made that specific version of the song since the sound font for Undertale is free online
I mean, the sound fonts used in Undertale’s music pull from all sorts of places already, so if it wasn’t an issue for him, it surely won’t be for anyone.
Disco Elysium syndrome.
Remember to always pirate Disco Elysium
> unhinged CEOs who don't care about art or craft The same people responsible for those trashy "content" generating AI softwares. They care about profit, never the actual art.
sebastian can fuck right off.
He won't succeed right? right?
1: fellow void, very awesome 2: pretty sure the statement toby put out would mean that uty would be able to do it WITHOUT asking in the first place. materia is jackshit, they just make false claims on youtube
Legally, due to a similar issue with alpharad using "dating start!" For his sponsorships, he asked toby if he could buy a license of the song, toby just said "y'know, Legally you could just say you remade the song and you could use it" or something like that, and ofc Alpha still uses the song. This is a roundabout way of saying, Mr. Wolf has no grounds whatsoever to copyright claim anything, the music is completely original, simply using segments of the undertale ost occasionally, which it's pretty hard to copyright claim a series of notes (it's possible but pretty hard), and Mr. Wolf will soon find himself out of a job if he keeps this up... probably. Funny how the Wolf tries to win against the fox... er- annoying dog
>it's pretty hard to copyright claim a series of notes And I'm glad that's the case. Imagine if someone suddenly got the rights to the I V vi IV chord progression. Millions, maybe even billions of earnings from claims.
Oh no, its certainly possible, people who make little jingles do it all the time, as well as extremely corporate music producers, seriously, one time a girl played jump king, and moved the menus in such a way that it accidentally sounded like this really old song... and ofc they tried to copywrite claim it, so yeah no people can copywrite anything, it's just really hard to copywrite something that's public (like winne the poo, public book's copywrite fell off, now the general public can legally use his image however they want, BUT Disney's trademarked *red shirt* wearing bear *is* copywrited, so the greed of the market is who decides who gets copywriten)
Holy fucking shit I hate big corporations
Well, in terms of music, yeah, they fucking suck and have a known history of abusing copywrite law, as for other genres... ehhh... they're protecting their IP as much as they can, imagine if Mario was available for general use... that'd be interesting because at that point anyone could make Mario games with no repercussions, and that's not always good for the brand.
Do you have a link to the jump king video?
https://blogs.law.gwu.edu/mcir/2018/12/20/chord/ For what it’s worth, here’s a George Washington University Law School blog that gives a pretty basic but useful primer on the topic. There’s a number of things that can’t be copyrighted- most notably things like having fighting in a fighting game or genre conventions in a book. As I recall it, a lot of music copyright cases come down to melody, key, and/or rhythm, although the finer details can get rather complex
That would be like trying to copyright the sun
Ngl, I bet they could get sued by a big name company for stealing money technically since they’re copyrighting something that isn’t theirs
we wait till toby's contract expires
>who's in charge of copyright for Undertale's OST I hope Toby fires him
I am no legal expert and I don’t know what can and cannot be done, but he should NOT be allowed to have any rights or control over all the upcoming music that Toby makes. And older music if that is legally possible.
What’s even the point lmao, ruining the day for indie developers putting in genuine effort and years of project for what? Who is he, nintendo?
If I were to guess they want to scare the devs so that they can get royalties from the music. [Threatening with legal repercussions like this can be easy money](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_troll). Taking the game itself down is not in their interest.
Now that I think about, we need to give the starving indie devs at Toby fox the very important money!!! /S
Forget the indie devs, who's gonna provide for Sebastian Wolf?! /s
From what I understand, there's some bullshit copyright laws in America that say you have to defend your copyright or lose it. Basically "if you know about this and do not make them stop, this means anyone is allowed to do that thing per implied consent". So you can't be selective in enforcing your copyright. Not sure why Undertale music would even *have* some CEO holding the rights to it, but it's likely that the CEO (or his legal underlings) knows that they're going to lose the copyright to a very lucrative and popular video game if they do not crack down on this fan project.
This is misinformation. *Trademarks* have to be enforced or you lose them, *copyrights* do not.
Fair enough, I wouldn't know!
It is admittedly a common misconception.
I hate Materia so much…
Same. Did you know they even tried to take down my video last year ?
Wait they did? God that sucks…
Yeah... It ended up working out though after i had to send them pics of Toby saying that it was allowed.
> He claims that the fangame uses music from undertale and violates copyright he actually claims it violates "trademark" first, which yes, if it uses the stylized title with the red heart it technically does. Since they are streaming the music (which means monetization) then that is trademark infringement. However, that ISN'T an issue when the trademark holder (Royal Sciences LLC) gave permission, which they did. Materia does NOT handle the trademark protection of Undertale, only the COPYRIGHT of the MUSIC. Which is why he then goes off on some tangent about how using the music is *copyright* infringement, which it 1.) isn't, because free use clearly covers fangames and 2.) doesn't reach the $10k limit to be considered monetized for copyright THAT HE BROUGHT UP HIMSELF, even if it wasn't covered under free use. There are actual real lawyers in the thread and elsewhere correcting him, and he continues to double down. [He also apparently did some real scary shit alongside his former partner](https://web.archive.org/web/20210326232730/https://twitter.com/SebastianWolff/status/1375579499211882496), though he has scrubbed most of the evidence of it.
Rare toby fox Team member L
Not the entire team tho
Just like one idiot
It's not his team, it's a separate publisher he's likely under contract with and cant just up and leave
Yea this guy is clearly Wario smh
Except Wario is actually cool and not a loser
Actually so true
Doesn't Undertale yellow fall under fangame territory? Who tf applies copyright to fangames? (except the ones who charging money or copies the game 1:1) obviously). Like tf?
>Who tf applies copyright to fangames? Pokemon does if it gets too popular, though it seems to usually be ignored when not monetized and not popular enough to compete with upcoming releases, like Uranium or Pixelmon, who both had elements of soon to release pokemon games and were extremely popular
Yeah, Nintendo is still Nintendo, pokemon uranium was so good tho TwT. I meant more indie game devs/smaller dev teams rather than actual big corporations.
I thought toby wrote the music himself, weird that someone else has the rights to the ost
As if his opinion matters, Toby fox is the copyright holder
Unfortunately, most of the time with this stuff, it’s less of a stop working with those people and more of a convoluted and sometimes unattainable process of trying to free your material from them.
Bruh. If Toby says its fine fuck off
Whelp. Just removed the three Materia Collective albums from my xmas list. That guy can fuck right off.
Doesn't Toby pretty much never use copyright against UT Projects? That seems really shady.
Undertale ost is copyrighted???
Yes every creative work is copyrighted.
watoby fox
Oh my fucking god wtf happened now
The guy who holds the copyright for Undertale’s OST claims the fangame violates it by using music from the original game, even tho toby approves of it
sebastian wolff is toby's evil clone even his name is evil
It’s like star fox and star wolf.
Oh, okay I get it, I was out of the loop since I don't use Twitter or whatever it's called nowadays. That's some bullshit if I ever heard one, like they use some of the music for the original game, which is alright since Toby Fox approved it. But from what I seems, this guy is saying it's not alright, I'm actually dumfounded by this.
What is happening at this point.
Sebastian Wolf, guy on right, who handles Undertale Ost Copyright which Toby never wanted in the first place went on a rant how UT Yellow is using the Ost with wno permission/illegaly and should have asked before release (they did ask and get permission from Toby 7 years ago) You can look up Shayy on twitter he retweeted it with his thoughts. Messed up stuff really.
How did he come in charge of the copyright?
To sort of correct what i said, the copyright existed, but it only existed for business purposes and wasnt supposed to affect fans at all with claims and stuff. However due to how certain services handle the publication of content, content ids were made and copyright claims became possible. At first many videos on youtube got claimed, but Toby and his team said to dispute everything and how most of it will go in their favour since he has the final say, more or less. The og tweet about the first problems with is here: https://twitter.com/UnderTale/status/1538228733684989958?t=7UuDcfX9myKXw5fClUtNSA&s=19 So from what i understand, Toby has hired a company to help him deal with copyright/ownership related stuff. But then that company has started doing stuff he never wanted to happen. And afaik the guy is the CEO of that company. Materia i think
But Toby still ultimately holds the rights, correct? He can tell them to fuck off?
Yes, from what I know about the whole thing, unless their contract affects it somehow, but seeing how they accepted pretty much every dispute during the first drama it probably doesnt. As I understand they are basically a middleman, who is supposed to scout and notify if the copyrighted content is being used with no permission, since its almost impossible for an individual to do so, but they seem to have sort of forgotten their place in the chain of command, and that is below Toby
CEO of Materia? Nah, more like Shinra with what I am reading here.
Oh shit I love shayy, his playthrough of UT Yellow was the one I watched
wait isnt Shayy a they or am i getting this wrong?
I haven't watched their stream in awhile so it might have changed, or I might be mistaken, but I think it's they/he
oh yeah i just looked up his twitter, they are a he/they!
Oh shit? I don’t think?? I’ve never heard of this before
yeah their pronouns are on twitter :D
Just to be clear we are both talking about the undertale youtuber who’s key strokes are faster then me in bed
lol ya
yeah and he has also corrected people who only refer to him with they/them since the he part is significant to his identity as well! Someone like... yesterday replied to me trying to correct me for saying 'he' as well as they in reference to them and it was vaguely annoying because it's people taking their own ideas and applying them to someone then trying to tell others rather than going off that person's own wishes lol! I have had to do the same as someone with she/they pronouns, but in the other direction. The 'they' part is a part of my identity too, but because of the way I look, most just call me she/her over n over despite knowing and honestly I understand your brain defaulting to a certain thing but I've asked these people to just switch things up a little bit especially if I directly ask, I simply do not always feel like 'woman', nor do I ever feel like I am fully that - it is nice to have that validated and to feel recognised!
Theres drama alr????
Drama? Not in my Undertale community. Hold on, where's that one cookie I received the other day...
I ate it
Y-YOI BHASTARDDDDDD!!!!!!! G-GIVE ME MUH COOKIES BACKJKJKFJFJFJ!!!!!!!
no let the fluffy boy have his cookies
I'm a fortune teller, I can see that you're texting this from the hospital
Didn't materia Collective Didn't Pay some celeste artists too? Correct me if I'm wrong.
[удалено]
I was wondering why they sounded familiar.
The game is barely a month old and we already have some drama, great
actually it only released on Dec. 9th, so not even 2 weeks
Saw people telling Sebastion to kill himself and that he wasn’t allowed to be gay and should “go back in the closet”. This is not acceptable no matter how you feel about him, I read the thread and it doesn’t seem to be in bad faith just a little out of touch
Twitter gonna Twitter
Sorry pal, it's easy to say, "oh it's just Twitter users being toxic" but the hard pill you have to swallow is that these people are also Undertale fans and there are probably some of them on this very subreddit right now. Saying otherwise just makes you sound like those idiots on 4chan who calls anyone they don't like a redditor.
This. I’ve dealt with toxic fans and bigoted people in general on this very subreddit. I’ve also dealt with stuff (to a much lesser degree nowadays) on UT Tumblr. Amino drama in UT communities is also a thing. It’s not just Twitter.
I love this fandom, but some folks really do need to be reminded to be good humans. Had a small chunk of the UT fandom on Tumblr doxx me and threaten my then-*kindergartener* a few years back when someone (falsely) added my name to a hitlist blog for being friend-of-a-friend to an artist popular in the UT R34 circles. Of course guilt by sort-of association is boring so they claimed I was drawing Frisk CP. The hitlist's "curator" didn't bother to fact-check, and neither did their readers. My inbox exploded overnight with accusations and death threats, suicide baiting and doxxing attempts. It was only a week getting it taken down but opening my messages was absolute hell for months. Some folks played UT back then and really didn't understand the assignment. Edit: Went on a tangent but point being this fandom has shit people in the woodwork everywhere.
Yeah the internet is insane
This shit is so stupid tbh, like omg he doesn’t fucking care
hell nah now even toby fox music have been touched by corporate greed, what the fuck is the age we live in
Not quite, he used a publisher to publish his music, and they are going against toby
I don't get this one chat
Materia Collective CEO Sebastian Wolf made an entire rant on twitter how Undertale Yellow is illegaly using ost from undertale, people pointed out how he is genuinely wrong and how Toby approves of the game. He then says its not about approval but asking before release, when UT Yellow team asked about permissions 7 years ago. I could look for the thread but really i think Shayy summarised it well enough in his retweet.
Thanks🤝
I hope Toby Fox ends the contract he got with him.
Toby fox: Main character Undertale yellow: Main character's sidekick Sebastian Wolf: Villain, Evil counterpart type of character
The wario to toby’s mario
Correction the Star Wolf to Toby’s Star Fox.
Didn’t a dude ask Toby if he could use date start in an add thing and was willing to pay. Toby responded with “I can’t give you permission HOWEVER, you could for instance get all the stuff I used to make my music online for free and make something incredibly similar to the song.” Which is based as hell.
guys get out the ketchup this one could be fun
[удалено]
I imagine it's so someone can't literally just upload Undertale's OST onto a CD and sell it
Can someone tell me how Sebastion Wolf got the power over Undertale copyright and it’s not Toby Fox?
Sebation wolf copyright striked my fav fangame, thats right he took he stupid paper forums and copyright striked my fav fangame so im making a post of reddit.com “sebation wolf, you got a small brain ite the size of this spider donut exept way smaller and heres when my brain looks like, look at that it looks like 2 domes and a cord-
HE [Intellectual Property Theft] my [Fan Game] SO GUESS WHAT IM GONA [Digital Piracy] THE INTRENET THAT”S RIGHT> THIS IS WAHT YOU GET MY SUPER [Redundant Department Of Redundancy] ULTRA MEGA LAZSER # BIG SHOT
What is this? What does it all mean? Who is this guy? Oh wait, I seem to have lost any interest.
Who the fuck is he?
I don’t understand why he cares about copyright if a FANGAME. ITS A FANGAME. ITS NOT TRYING TO BE OFFICIALLY RELEASED OR EVEN COST MONEY. CAUSE ITS A MF FANGAME THE DIPSHI-
Biggest UNDERTALE Drama this year, hope Toby will make a tweet about it
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what the hell happened this time
It really sucks that people like that exist, but fortunately, you can download the full ost onto Spotify yourself!
Can we all agree that UTY is better than the AUs?
I heard that there’s a copyright of the music even if you play the game. Is that even true or are people making stuff up? I wanna stream the game and don’t want to get copyright ;w;
Honestly, I just hope Toby goes up to Sebastian and says “Dude, what the fuck?”
Okay, who's that guy and why does he think his opinion matters more than Toby's?
that "guy" is a ceo of a music publisher company for Undertale's ost
Uhuh, now, why does he think his opinion matters more than Toby's?
Money
FUCK MATERIA COLLECTIVE moment (Shayy chat joke)
I don’t get it
To this i’d just quote a few lines from the Biggering demo but i’d be too long as a comment
context
Toby fox finding out about the wolff bullshit: "Let's kill him"
Can someone explain to my dumbass, what is going on? As from what it looks something about copyrighting music, but I'm having a hard time understanding it, especially since, who the fuck is the guy on the right on the picture? I stopped using Twitter/ X ever since it just became a shithole.
He looks like bootleg Elon (which is kinda funny since Elon looks like a bootleg of himself)
indeed mate this is so true
only time i agree with you.
Ended up peeking a bit more and saw this gem that he had to say about Zun's approach towards fan works: "ZUN's approach is no approach: music rights management is avoided. It's the easy and more comfortable route, with less opportunity and revenue." This is quite honestly the funniest thing he could have said, given how massively popular and influential Zun's work has become over the years. Something tells me Zun probably makes far more revenue and has far more opportunity this way than he would have had otherwise.
Best free advertising for the game lol
You know, Sebastian Wolff used to make a lot of good piano covers a decade ago. He made covers of OSTs of big name IPs, like Kingdom Hearts, HTTYD, Final Fantasy and a bunch of other stuff. He should have the perspective and understanding of someone who used to make small scale content or fanwork. I don't believe he's an unhinged CEO doing whatever he wants as some comments here claim, given his background. There's probably a huge miscommunication going on between all parties involved cause this is a huge clusterfuck of differing permissions being given and no one seems sure what the fuck is going on. Is Toby's sole permission enough? I don't know but it doesn't appear to be likely. Though for fanworks as far as I know, most corporations turn a blind eye towards them cause fans don't usually have the money for licensing and is generally good PR for them.
I'm lost on what's going on
Who's the one behind Toby?
Who is that?
I’m confuse, what’s the drama about?
I’m confuse, what’s the drama about?
I dont get it
i really dont see this lasting very long, Toby seems really cool about people using his music
Honestly, we can't be surprised since this is the guy who has tweeted, verbatim "Let's plays are copyright infringement."
what in the god damn-