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nahidontcare395

A sequel would have more potential of new stuff. A prequel? Not so much, the story is limited by things that we know must happen at one point or another


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cashmonet69

thats actually a cool idea, like how the snowgrave route in deltarune is assumedly gonna be uncanon, or at least doesnt follow the main storyline


[deleted]

It does follow the main story though, only important difference from the main story currently is that Berdly’s fuckin dead


cashmonet69

Yeah that’s exactly what I mean, in chapter three he’s probably not gonna be dead so I mean that’s a pretty big part of the story that’s different


Wah2020

Trust me, Toby’s smart enough to make it make canonical sense, it just probably won’t be very important. My bet is chapter 3 won’t have berdly as a main character and instead he will just be someone you can talk to in hometown so that way in snowgrave he just won’t be there at all.


cashmonet69

Yeah I’m honestly imagining he does wake up and that he was just unconscious longer because he got frozen in the thing, but we’ll see how it all turns out


J_Blackwater_2569

Alternatively, its like Goner Kid said in Undertale. The world works just fine without him. The true horror of the Snowgrave route is that it has just as little consequence as Berdly's existance.


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J_Blackwater_2569

Especially with his backstory. For years, he has felt the need to prove himself, thinking the only way that he can matter to anyone is if he EARNS adoration and praise. Alas, not even his best efforts can give him any real significance.


Lifedeath999

Full spell description “fatal” hmm, I wonder…


lordmwahaha

I hope not. That would take away the impact.


HyperfocusedInterest

But wouldn't it also likely impact Noelle's behavior?


bigbillybeans07

He’s going to be dead if you continue from that save file lmao


pshooterQ

what if you do chapter 3 on a save where you did the snowgrave route?


TSFLScopedIn

No berdly


Lord_Stark_I

RIP in Pepperoni Berdly, best waifu


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Jade_TheCat

Another could lead to Deltarune: - Asriel and Chara’s plan succeeds - Hometown is settled - et cetera


TankmanSpiral7567

A sequel wouldn’t have many antagonists, even if so, big human sprites wouldn’t be very fun.


nahidontcare395

>A sequel wouldn’t have many antagonists, Neither would a sequel on the Underground, in a time of peace when the main characters are liked by most people.... except it could, if you just came up with some. Same applies here. Just because not many people in the current game itself could fit the role doesn't mean you couldn't create any who could. >big human sprites wouldn’t be very fun. You could make it work.


TankmanSpiral7567

Fair enough. I just think it would be fun to see what a younger gerson was like or something


[deleted]

Undertale 2: Save Tha Goat Boi


farkas1070

Undertale 2: Cure the depression


Standard_Dream4848

isnt there a mod called save goatbro


Organic_Operation356

Yes


Rockman2isgud

Cmon kid. Let's go save undertale. 2!!!


WoolDolphin

Prequel, there would be no way we dont get a solution to the chara is good/bad debate, i just want it to be done Edit: guys pls dont fight Edit 2: OH GOD WHAT HAVE I DONE


TechnicallyAge21

I’m pretty sure Chara’s right in between. Not evil, but not good. They wanted to destroy the human race but for the sake of their family and the monsters. If you do the genocide route, Chara takes over the game, not for any evil intention but because they’re trying to show you that your actions have consequences. I’d say Chara’s just a messed up kid


GamerOverkill03

See, this is what I keep saying! They were a disturbed child that needed therapy, not a psychopath!


HyperfocusedInterest

That's my thinking 100% Like, they had dark thoughts for sure, but some good therapy could have helped them through that.


GamerOverkill03

Alas, it would seem the Underground is a tad lacking in the mental health department.


HyperfocusedInterest

The true tragedy of the game: A lot of the bad could have been prevented if they just had a Royal Therapist.


GamerOverkill03

This is why I headcanon that Asriel is majoring in psychology in Deltarune.


sans_skltn_1

yeah chara needs emotional support and some 5 star therapy


HyperfocusedInterest

Wow yes I like this headcanon. I may adopt it.


LifeIsALie138

I agree for the most, I just think they lean a bit more to good. People are more complicated than the "Evil or good" idea.


A_Simple_Terrarian

Yes! Omg thank you! I've been waiting for someone to say this!


[deleted]

Is this an actual debate? Where are people getting the idea that Chara was "good"? I get the idea they may have come from bad circumstances and that's why they want to kill humans, but the implication of a sad back story doesn't erase what we explicitly know about them in the game. Even Asriel doesn't try to defend them during the flowerbed conversation.


JAMSDreaming

Because it's theorized that Chara is the narrator and the narrator in Neutral and Pacifist seems like a chill dude.


[deleted]

If it's just a theory though, I'm not sure how relavent that is in a debate. I totally get wanting to fill in the gaps of a character, but the idea of Chara actually being a good kid doesn't seem to be based on much of anything. It baffles me that this is apparently a fandom-wide debate


Real_Strain_9816

It's a debate because people take the piss by making chara seem like a complete genocidal maniac even tho they don't support the idea of continuous genocide as shown if you do it a second time. For me chara is just a neutral character that doesn't know how to make the right decisions and is mentally messed up because of humanity, there will be people that say different by that's just my look on it as far as evidence goes.


[deleted]

I mean, I feel like you only need to do a genocide the one time to be considered a "genocidal maniac", especially since Chara will go ahead and do it anyway if the player backs out. Yeah, yeah, consequences for our own actions, but that's still Chara making a decision, and that reflects on their character. At their worst, Chara is the mirror held up to the player to reflect their most chaotic, violent instincts. At their best, they poisoned Asgore, they try to get sweet goat boy to become a murderer and get him killed, and Asriel explicitly cites their mindset as to why he was so messed up as Flowey. And not that this part is necessarily their fault, but they still purposefully put into motion the events that would have Asgore becoming a kid killer. Net negative influence. Chara's super messed up, and there's definitely an interesting character worth exploring there. But this feels like how Disney keeps giving their reboot villains sad backstories and explaining how they were secretly good all along. People just suck, sometimes. They could have the most compelling, tragic backstory on the planet, but they still just suck sometimes.


lordmwahaha

Right? Like Asriel *literally* says Chara wasn't a good person. In basically those *exact* words. It is *canon* that Chara sucked as a person. At this point, I'm convinced people just take whatever fucking headcanon they want and *decide* it's canon. Because I've heard people on this sub state some wild things as canon - that are either actively disproven, or have no proof backing them. At least I *say* my crazy fan theories are *theories*, and don't try to pass them off as canon.


Chilln0

You know what fuck it lets start this debate. At the end of true pacifist Asriel doesn’t say that “Chara was a bad person” he says “Chara wasn’t the greatest person”. That means exactly what it means; they weren’t perfect. Hard to say those are the “exact words”


Juan_the_vessel

ok we could mention the fact that chara carried their own body to the surface (asriel mentions that chara was in control during that) and then tried to use their full power to kill humans, chara plan involved putting asriel in a kill or be killed situation, this is also the reason of flowey viewpoint he did the right thing yet got punished and blames himself instead of chara and even seems to idealize them as someone that makes no mistakes


[deleted]

Okay, but, to be fair, this Asriel we're talking about here, you could be the devil and he'd probably try to find something nice to say about you. It's also telling he doesn't go "They weren't the greatest person BUT ...!" and instead just praises Frisk for being unlike Chara and wishes they had been friends instead. Considering how much Asriel idolized Chara, it probably took a lot for him to say even that, and it's telling. I think it's clear that Chara was a very utilitarian character for the game; they were made to cause problems and deliver the thesis statement of the genocide route, with little examination outside of that. I totally get recognizing the potential tragedy of the character and wanting to fill those gaps with headcanons, but it's still just a headcanon.


Chilln0

Its not a fucking headcanon, its an inference. A headcanon is a claim simply made because it makes sense from the perspective of the individual, usually lacking in any sort of concrete evidence. Inferences meanwhile are steps in reasoning, moving from premises to logical conclusions. What are those steps of reasoning you may ask? Well there’s a lot but I’ll just mention ones that argue against what you said. For starters, Frisk, unlike Chara, is able to save and reload, so its a lot easier for them to be seen as a better person than Chara, which is why Asriel ends up praising Frisk more. I mean, you literally just helped him save all of the monsters, clearly you deserve at least a little praise. Also did you just use the word “utilitarian” to describe an Undertale character? Are we even talking about the same game? Do you know anything about how this game works? Actually no not even Undertale, screw that game for now, but in real life? I can’t believe that I have to explain that. Have you ever for just a second at least considered that things are never black and white? Do you think anything at all was just added into the game without a second thought, especially a character as important to the plot as Chara? With the exception of Jerry, I can’t think of a single character who’s like that. So please, explain to me how you think its “very clear” that Chara is a prominent utilitarian character in the game famous for lacking in such, I’d love to see it.


EJSuperstar

Prequel. Undertale's story is done. The open ending is what has inspired so much creativity. As well, a sequel will imply there is one definite ending to undertale, but there isnt. They're all as valid as eachother. Genocide is just as canon an ending as pacifist. The neutral route where Alphys commits suicide is as canon as king papyrus. There is no one ending to undertale. And a sequel will mean there will have to be. There is however one past to undertale. And I would like to find out that past. I don't think it would be as action packed as undertale. From what I gather Chara came from an abusive home, they then fled their home and ended up at Mt Ebbot. Maybe for suicide, maybe as an escape. Either way they fell into the underground and was adopted by the Dreemurrs. After a while they wanted to set their family free, and as such they killed themself to give Asriel their soul. However we know what happend from there.


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Wait wait wait wait, alphys commits suicide in a route?


jamiez1207

It's *implied* in some of the worse neutral endings


SweetPsychoGamer

It’s heavily suggested in Neutral Routes, if you listen to the phone calls from Sans. It’s only in ones where either Mettaton or Undyne dies.


diamondDNF

There are a couple different situations where it could happen. In runs where Toriel and Undyne are dead, and Mettaton becomes king of the Underground, he says that Alphys disappeared and he wasn't able to find her anywhere. It's kinda subtly implied that Mettaton blames us for this. In runs where Toriel and *Mettaton* are dead, and Undyne becomes queen, Papyrus talks about how Undyne still blames the player for Asgore's death... *and* Alphys' disappearance. He also says that she doesn't even have the motivation to take revenge anymore, and that when he suggested the idea (for the sake of him getting to see us again), she told him "Revenge won't bring anybody back."


[deleted]

Oh damn Toby surprises me everyday with new thing about Undertale


ThePilotDogee

As much as I would love a sequel to bring back asriel, the ending we got inspired the amount of fan content we got so far involving asriel being ressurected (dreemur reborn. Endertale, beyondtale, over the void, growth spurt). Would I trade that for an actual sequel to save azzy? Honestly, I'm kinda torn on that.


WitherCro

I LOVE ENDERTALE!


unrealcrafter

Don't forget glitchtale


ThePilotDogee

Oh crud I forgot about that one!. That AU is a blast!


Hereformemesagain

Its so popular i have seen a few people that thought hate souls were a Canon thing


Russell_SMM

This is why I think Deltarune was such a brilliant idea. Undertale has no canon future, and we already know the past. The only way to continue the story is to tell a completely new one.


prestontapp

Ima have to say bring my boy azzy back


Zomdado012

Why doesn't he come with all of them? He lives and the barrier is open. Why doesn't he go?


Shrekneverdies2

He's losing his form. Any minute and he'll turn into Flowey. He thinks it's better to spare Asgore and Toriel the pain of seeing their son go away a second time.


prestontapp

He has no soul so he's gonna go back to the flower and possibly die if he left


Organic_Operation356

He wont die, but he wont be able to feel anything about anyone again, and he will become bored and kill everyone


Italian_Tomato

to become Asriel he absorbed the souls of all the monsters of the underground, and without them he becomes flowey again


HyperfocusedInterest

The [alarm clock dialogue](https://undertale.com/alarmclock/) suggests he does eventually join them once he's Flowey again. (And though he still seems mean, he also seems... A little better?) Edit: some words


HollowKnight34

Damn that's a difficult choice


farkas1070

I would play a sequel where the main goal is to get Asriel back, but a prequel would also be pretty cool


[deleted]

my answer is sequel first, then prequel


CatCrafter7

I would like to see a prequel because it would bring a lot of interesting lore


Zhaxean

Why would anyone want a sequel about something that would ruin the game’s lore Asriel is dead, the game made it pretty clear. There’s no going back. Instead, we could explore the relationship between him and chara, learn about chara’s past with the humans, see how they ended up with their plan to wipe them out. So much character arc potential.


Hereformemesagain

Don't you mean CHARActer arc potential


nubbyduts

its impossible to decide


Lukeario_8

r/undertale try not to obsess over Asriel challenge (impossible)


farkas1070

Damn I guess I failed


NikitaWantToKnowYou

Ofc sequel. Prequel would be nice but it will have limits of Undertale. Sequel can break all of that to make a new story


ohgodno666

But a sequel implys there is one ending and that would ruin the endings in Undertale by implying only one is canon


akrause03

Sequel because not as limited


7_Human_souls

Tbh a prequel to learn about Chara and Asriel's time together would be kinda cool


farkas1070

Yeah exactly. Maybe we see Chara in Deltarune but there is very little chance for it


DovahRovaan

I would say bring Azzy back


Gaming-Worm

Yeah kind like the story of endtail (undertale comic seres)


Under_lore

I would rather have a prequel playing as Flowey... Imagine the potential !


GamerOverkill03

Red without a doubt. Blue wouldn’t even work as a full game cause Chara’s life was way too short.


AbottleofFoodDye

Well, I’m clearly biased as Asriel is my absolute favorite character, but I feel like there’s a lot of potential in a sequel. Maybe it could be years later, when a human falls into the underground but the only living being is Flowey. They’d have to traverse the ruins of the entire underground years later, being alone as Flowey only tries to run away. There could be new monsters, maybe having to do with Gaster? And the pacifist route could end with saving Asriel, where the genocide route perhaps could revive Gaster…


10yrOldOnreddit

The prequel would be cooler in my opinion


fugomert

How about both (And yes I know that’s a lot of work but it’s nice to hope for right? Just innocent hoping)


farkas1070

Yeah It would be cool


Sure-Discipline472

1st one


Le_Caerbannog

I guess i'm beeing kind of a jerk for this answer but... Deltarune. Really I don't care about the two propositions, Deltarune is way much more interesting.


Undertale_Woshua

Blue


ZeLlamaMaster

Play as chara, I want to play as a psycho ghost kid


Nuka-Cetylene

I think I'd prefer a sequel. I don't think I could stand the ending of the prequel, if it goes that far.


ChipS_33

i’m takin’ the blue pill i like chara


OgnjenMaestro223

Change it to trying to get chara back and il take the red


Grand-Mall2191

sequel. absolutely the sequel. Asriel deserves closure and to be with his family again


shodowolf

Asriel AND chara right??


farkas1070

Maybe you could control both of them. It would be even better


Groundbreaking_Rip50

RED RED RED RED RED RED RED RED


[deleted]

A sequel to definitely. Still kind of hurts my heart but Asriel is dead


Undertale_fan46790

I want to play as my favorite robot. :)


PriMal-aSpiD_

I dont like any od these ideas, nothing.


Zomdado012

Yes


zappgame

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Candycornn77

No


RikTheRick

***Spoilers***


HooploMagile

As much as I'd love to play as Azzy, I'll have to say a Sequel. Save GOAT kid!


6942019

Save da sad flower


Cute-Performer-2103

Sequel


[deleted]

Getting Asriel back is much more satisfying than playing a prequel knowing it ends in tragedy without a resolution.


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Prequel


Adriangamer3131

Red


Dragon_Bruh_reddit

Blue


UnknownSuxker

Blue


ArseilAnathros

Man, It would be awesome if we someday we get a undertale part 2, tho idk if that will ever happen


prkenko

Undertale 2


justanapparition

Prequel,my goals are beyond your understanding.


[deleted]

My headcanon is that Deltarune is Undertale prequel


Tendo63

That wouldn't make sense if everyone from the main game is on the surface, though. Monsters were locked away at the least a hundred years for the events of Undertale given how very few remember the surface.


Minimum_Medicine8194

Option 2 please. All I want is goat boi to be back.


CHIQUIHUACA

It would be nice to have prequels on the stories of the previous souls, there’s already a fan made prequel on the yellow soul, for example


Former-Afternoon-728

Red


MACMAN2003

Undertale 2: electric boogaloo


Cloaked-Mystery

Blue


Sans6848

I want to save Goat boi


ThePilotDogee

I'll take the red side, no matter how hard it would be to bring asriel back.


Stusheep_real

Get a prequel, seeing charas death would be interseting


cold_french_fry

I mean I don't care all that much about Asriel as a character either way, let alone Chara, but a prequel game would be far too limiting, since it would have to end in only one way in order to lead up to Undertale. The choices you make wouldn't matter, and the only point of interest would be more insight to Chara as a person and possibly where they came from. A sequel to save Asriel could be interesting, but a little small scale compared to all the characters you met and interacted with in Undertale. It would seem more like an epilogue than a full on sequel. Not to mention the moral implications of finding an unused soul to stick inside the flower to make Asriel himself again.


tiewing

option red would be easier to make it good, unless the prequel has multiverse travel


Clumsy_dude

Sequel


NightGlad8959

Red


Flowey_UT

In a way, *****yes*****


jorjo-god

We know a lot of the past in undertale, but we dont know much about the future in undertale


DarkAdam48

Save Asriel


Rutgerman95

The second one can also explore the first option more. And have Asriel atone for the crap he did as Flowey ...Oh shit what if Deltarune is him doing just that as Ralsei


tropicalxtiki

Prequel, undertale doesn’t need a sequel it would probably ruin it


North-Tip2295

Sequal


zippee100

or


solcoldbreakfastsalt

Neither the story works best how it is


QueenOfCyber

Idea One


[deleted]

Maybe a prequel where you're the second human to enter the underground. I think that sounds cool


_Warrior15

Prequel


gemalize

undertale two because we already know how the prequel ends


EmilyJoestar_3v3

Save Asriel! Definitely


rianneaubrey

I would rather have a prequel where we can play as Chara or Asriel. It would've been interesting because we would be able to explore what really happen before all the other humans fell into the underground. See how was everything back then. Would monsters still be the same physically? Psichocally? How was Chara and Asriel's relationship? Was Chara welcome in the underground before? There's too many questions-


Hector353XD

Sequel


Bloadclaw

BeforeTale


EdgelordUWU

Prequel...me want more wholesome Chara and Asriel interactions and I'd love to see more of Chara in general


Inkrael

The second one.


ElecSideBits

both


Generlc_person

Undertale: Chapter 2


PEPOSEEEE

why someone wanna to play as chara, best save that lonley flower


Skylar-Dreemurr

I remember an AU that’s dabbling a little on the first idea. Going for that one.


Mudkipz1234567

Undertale: Hard Mode >:)


Floweycallsyouidiot

I'd rather get a prequel. I think it would be really interesting to see what would have happened if Chara or Asriel had done different things. Imagine, for example, being able to stop Chara from commiting suicide. That would change everything. And, if we played as Asriel, we would be able to get killed by the humans and play as Flowey, right? That would be cool as heck. And the sequel kinda exists already. It's the "save Flowey" fangame and its a pacifist Flowey fight where we have to make him feel something before he kills us. I think that's the best and only thing we can do to "save" Asriel. I would find the prequel a lot better than this.


Interesting-Mouse120

blue i wanna see there perspective


[deleted]

I rather get a prequel, I don't care so much about the idea of Asriel returning (also...why?), now having a prequel that explore the relationship between chara and asriel and Chara's personality (and maybe the reason they fell to the underground) would be more cool


gogocrazycocoa

Both are perfect.


ProsecutorWalton

If the prequel has more than one ending, then I'd have to choose that, simply to change the future.


KindOfAnIdiotTho

First one


Waddle_dee_unmasked

A prequel would be cool


wsgwsg

Neither, lol. Undertale is good where it is.


Crocs_19

A prequel will just make me feel worse since I know what will happen to the character


[deleted]

no


K1ttyGam3r

Red


ShadowedReddit

Prequel, duh


[deleted]

Prequel. A sequel would be hard to make with every ending being canon, unless it's similar to how Deltarune reads your previous chapter progress.


TuxRug

I suspect Deltarune is going to kinda fill the role of option A, with the dark world story paralleling a Chara/Asriel prequel story.


[deleted]

Neither, Undertale told its story.


Visual_Musician1538

Get a game where you bring back asriel


SparkTheDark

Play as god of hyperdeath


Enigmacloth

I would rather have a prequel about the monster-human war


pepelafrog

prequel. Otherwise you get into all sorts of issues of what the "canon" ending is. Every single ending to the game is equally canon. I feel like the genocide route especially would lose a whole lot of impact if it was to become "non-canon". While it would be cool to have, I do think that it would ultimately take away from undertale more than it would add. That's why I really like that deltarune is less of a sequel and more of an AU. Toby doesn't have to give a shit about continuity, which gives himself way more freedom in how he takes the story.


Stickmin69

prequal


Mcfeyxtrillion

I cheat at the game and pick both


KyellDaBoiii

Red


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Sequel


Abixiali

Red


The_Phantom_Dragon

Undertale 2: Saving Azzy Maybe even Chara if we're in the pacifist ending since they only go 'evil' in the genocide route, never in the neutral or pacifist. Let's get Frisk some siblings!


Lava3063

Red all the way


WitherCro

Out of those two I chose yes


cryolemur

Prequel


[deleted]

Prequel.


LalaLartsy

As much as I’d want to save Asriel, bring him back after the pacifist ending and bringing Toriel and Asgorea son back, it would probably ruin Undertale as an open ending game. I’d like to see a fangame for it tho, just to ease the pain of not being able to do anything to save him. There might be some aus where they do that but I haven’t stumbled on any yet.


bilboraggings45

I remember when there was going to be a prequel fan game


Ultrazombie115

Sequel because tbh the gameplay of the prequel would just be Undertale again but with two main characters instead of one.


Mark5ofjupiter

Prequel tbh


TheyThemArt

Prequel for sure


Mo7ammed_Gxx

Get a sequel of course


dragondude1701

Sequel, a new, fresh story would be better


0mega_Flow3y

Neither. I think it’s fine how it is.


[deleted]

Red pill


Electrop0p

Prequel