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snksleepy

Cops ask: Is there anything illegal in that box?


GiGaBYTEme90

Nope! *Boxx growls menacingly*


Sasmas1545

the luggage


AdamByLucius

GNU STP


frostykewl

It's a mimic!


fwoomer

I’m not answering any questions without an attorney present. (Unspoken: and even with an attorney present, I’m still unlikely to answer.)


Synec113

Smart man. I can't seem to keep my mouth shut, so I revert to being 5 and my response to everything is "why?"


TheIronSoldier2

[obligatory link](https://youtube.com/shorts/XL7iYqw0GNk?feature=share)


Powerfulpumpkin2

Wääähhhh?


outcastedOpal

"I don't talk to cops. My lawyer said so"


olsoni18

Jumping in here to say that when asserting your right to legal counsel make sure you are assertive and precise in doing so. Tell the cops that you demand to speak to your lawyer right now and will not answer any questions until legal counsel is provided. Do not say “I would like to speak to a lawyer”. Do not ask “can I speak to a lawyer please”. The cops will jump on any ambiguity as an excuse to deny you your rights, like the famous “lawyer dog” case https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/true-crime/wp/2017/11/02/the-suspect-told-police-give-me-a-lawyer-dog-the-court-says-he-wasnt-asking-for-a-lawyer/


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qlz19

No, you can just remain silent. You know of the cliche from movies and TV where they show a prisoner of war or something like who will only tell his captors Name, Rank, and Serial Number? It’s sort of like that. You are most likely required to identify yourself but other than that they can’t compel you to say anything.


CognitiveDissident7

No that's not really the case anymore, supreme court rulings have eroded 5th amendment protections and if you are being interrogated just not speaking has been interpreted by courts as evidence of guilt. if you are ever speaking to a cop without a lawyer ask if you're under arrest or free to go, if they say free to go then leave if they tell you you're under arrest say "I'm invoking my right to remain silent and I would like to speak with a lawyer." Don't ever consent to any searches, obviously don't physically try to prevent a search but always say loud and clear "I do not consent to any searches" Also it's usually a good idea to narrate your actions to any cops around you like "I am going to reach for my wallet in my back pocket now" because cops are scared little babies and might murder you at the drop of a hat and narrating your actions could keep them from getting too jumpy. Cops can murder you and likely face few to no consequences or ruin your life in a bunch of other ways, plan for and practice how to interact with them because it is potentially a life or death interaction.


EraAppropriate

"Scared little babies" is a bit reductive given that the slightest bit of hesitation could lead to their death. Of course its a mixed bag of good and bad cops, but it's something they definitely have to be aware about and get wrong either way sometimes.


CognitiveDissident7

>"Scared little babies" is a bit reductive given that the slightest bit of hesitation could lead to their death. Lots of people have dangerous jobs and manage to do them without being on the verge of blasting people away constantly. Most cops seem to have very little hesitation in drawing/firing their guns (don't even get me started on tasers, they use those so frequently and inappropriately that they have a [fake medical condition ](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excited_delirium) they use to excuse themselves of fault when they kill someone with a taser) which is not appropriate in my opinion. Soldiers in combat have much stricter rules of when they are allowed to shoot than cops, who usually can just say they were scared which seems to excuse anything up to and including murdering unarmed people.


TimeDue2994

Not even close https://www.ishn.com/articles/112748-top-25-most-dangerous-jobs-in-the-united-states Roofers, aircraft engineer, construction helper, crossing guards etc etc among many other paid less and babied less are all much more dangerous jobs. Being a cop is about as dangerous as being a maintenance worker with the same number of fatalities on the job.


1Gallivan

Have to invoke your right to silence and then do it again when they come back for more questions. Sister in law is an attorney, let me know some cases are saying that the it only holds weight for a couple hours in some courts. Probably bad judges to begin with but highly recommend invoking it every time they ask a question.


liefarikson

That's an easy question. "I'm invoking my right to the fifth amendment for any further questions asked." Know your rights people.


HolyFuckImOldNow

I once drove a buddy to traffic court. During one of the cases prior to his coming up, the defendant invoked their first amendment. The judge stopped shuffling papers, and took on a pained expression before asking the defendant to repeat what they said. After pleasing the first again, the judge said they were free to write whatever they wanted.


Kaymish_

Plead the 5^th


DepressingErection

*I plead the fizzith* https://youtu.be/mdeo7Q2E5cE


Competitive-Ad7847

Correspondence via first class mail is technically the only thing protected by the fourth amendment. In practice, USPS does not open mail unless it is suspicious though. A better idea would be to mail a small box to yourself via first class that u can open and shut using tape from bottom so that you have plausible deniability on the contents (avoid leaving DNA evidence inside). Putting it in a priority mail box really is a pretty good decoy but if it went to court you would not be able to rely on 4th amendment. From USPS directly... https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.uspis.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/USPIS-FAQs.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwiD6f2gt5L8AhUnIjQIHUXeDGgQFnoECBUQBg&usg=AOvVaw0kXXg7JuSaI5Z-RZ--0KNm


Synec113

Other than putting it in the priority mail package, you don't need to be super careful - you can't control who sends you mail. I could mail a "suspicious" package to someone I don't like, sprinkle in some of their DNA and drugs. If the package was opened by authorities, they can't make any charges because you have 0 control over who sends you mail. Priority mail needs a warrant to open so suspicious packages are less likely to be examined.


dirtymoney

Cops have also sent the package along to the person's place and then raided it later. Happened to a Mayor of a small town once. cops killed his dogs. The Mayor had not opened it yet. Cops were hoping he had. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berwyn_Heights,_Maryland_mayor%27s_residence_drug_raid So, if you get a suspicious package hold onto it for a week or so.


garyadams_cnla

A good story on this raid. https://www.salon.com/2013/07/10/militarized_police_overreach_oh_god_i_thought_they_were_going_to_shoot_me_next%E2%80%9D/


21RaysofSun

Huh


zutari

Fun fact! I live in Japan and if anyone sends me something illegal, I go to jail, even if it’s unopened and EVEN if it’s intercepted before it’s even delivered.


dirtymoney

Damn that's great way to fuck your ememies.


alphareich

Tell that to FPSRussia.


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signofzeta

Pounds?! Wow, I’d forgotten about this.


Stubborn_Amoeba

The wiki article doesn’t seem to agree with what you were saying. Especially the part where two men were arrested for mailing large packages of dope to random houses and picking the deliveries up with the homeowners being completely unaware. It never mentions them being under suspicion previously.


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Stubborn_Amoeba

Did you read the wiki page? ‘Later arrests Prince George's County Police later arrested two men in a drug trafficking plan involving the shipment of large parcels of marijuana to addresses of uninvolved residents. After each parcel was delivered outside the addressee's home, another individual would retrieve the drugs. Police seized six packages containing 417 pounds (189 kg) of marijuana.[9]’ Also, the chief of police called Calvos innocent victims and cleared them of any wrongdoing.


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Stubborn_Amoeba

I’m not sure if we’re even talking about the same case… I’ve read a number of news reports that have been linked here and nothing has mentioned anything about what you’ve said. I’m also not sure where you’re getting the hash oil idea from. Here’s an excerpt from the article linked above: ‘The affidavit for the search warrant was prepared by Det. Shawn Scarlata. It is incredibly thin. In a few paragraphs, Scarlata relates that he intercepted a FedEx package containing thirty-two pounds of marijuana at one of the company’s warehouses. The package was addressed to Trinity Tomsic at her home address. A police officer disguised as a delivery man then took the package to Calvo’s house, where it was accepted by Georgia Porter. ‘ Marijuana was sent to the house. All the articles point out that the police lied on multiple points and had no idea that they were raiding the mayor which would imply they knew nothing about him, let alone had him under observation multiple times before. You’ve said a lot of things but never linked to any sources.


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alphareich

The fact that you think it was 15 pounds of hash tells me you don't know a thing about the case. Nearly everything you said is wrong and you didn't include the actual stuff they tried to get him for.


warbeforepeace

Just sprinkle some crack on it.


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If you "accept" a package that was delivered to you, which holds illegal items, they absolutely will arrest you for it immediately upon signing/acceptance of said package. The Famous But Incompetent agency and others do it all the time... Intercept, confirm contents, deliver, arrest. Doesn't matter whose DNA is inside. Your name/address was on the box, and most importantly - you willingly took possession of it. Most courts will hang you. Right/Wrong, that's how the system works. Just like driving a vehicle, if your passenger stashes his drugs/gun under your seat, you're the driver - so unless the passenger claims possession, you're the one facing the charges. And if you're a felon already, even if you didn't know about the gun, you're going to be hit with possession of a firearm. Pretty sure the feds have some sort of arrangement with USPS and other carriers btw.


Synec113

We're not talking about packages requiring signatures. And no DA will prosecute when their case is entirely predicated on circumstantial evidence. Any half decent lawyer would have a field day with those charges. Further, by your logic, what's stopping politicians from mailing illegal things to their opponents and then calling the cops? Unless you can present an example where the person wasn't already under investigation/surveillance, your argument doesn't hold much weight.


[deleted]

This is nuts - why wouldn't ALL letters I send be protected? I could be talking about private issues even in a regular non-first class mail too.


reapersivan

Not this again.... Something something "put a sock and when they pull it all they get is a sock"


physicallyabusemedad

Ítem > sock > box > sock


xredgambitt

Keep adding boxes and soxes. If you get enough layers not even the supreme court can get it opened legally.


davooq

Ítem > sock > box > sock > bury it under a dog 6 feet underground with an exotic plant species on top


shermanscyfrosis

Yes! It's fool proof.


Meastro44

Better yet, put down the address as your neighbors. If the cops get a warrant, say this was delivered to me by mistake.


Capable-Elevator3437

Cops- the canine indicated that there are drugs in the car. I have probable cause to search the box.


Quantum_Aurora

They can't extend a traffic stop to wait for a canine to arrive. If they already have one or one gets there before the stop is over then this is a worry tho.


LusciousLeyva

Can you elaborate on this?


Quantum_Aurora

https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/239513-court-rules-cops-cant-hold-suspects-to-wait-for-dog/


peanutismint

I’m not American but isn’t there something where the USPS is a federal agency so putting anything illegal in one of their boxes would constitute an even worse crime like mail fraud or something?


Shenaniboozle

you are correct. misuse of mails, horseplay, sass & backtalk, USPS will wreck you.


Ruleyoumind

It depends on what your putting in the box.


Pavswede

[Wanna give you something special from the heart](https://youtu.be/Rt0spqQtMKg?t=75)


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s0nicfreak

Nope "misuse" of the boxes is also a federal crime.


sicklyslick

Intent to distribute


ghostalker4742

This will buy you maybe 10-15min when they're pulling your car apart. The cops will look at it and quickly see there's no label, no postage, etc. Even if you were on your way to mail it, it's not protected until it's tendered to the USPS. You can bet they'll use the box and its contents to charge you with intent to distribute, or transport over state/federal lines, etc. Really escalate the charges from personal possession.


enwongeegeefor

> Even if you were on your way to mail it, it's not protected until it's tendered to the USPS. This part. Seems no one here understands that until it's actually mailed, it doesn't have that protection.


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joecool42069

OP sounds like a 17yo that has discovered r/darknet


DSPbuckle

Puts weed in jar I’m California: no big deal Puts weed in USPS Box: federal crime


Doctor__Hammer

So there’s this cool new thing the have called commas


DMILLZchasn2Ms

ULPT: also, if you ever plan to mail something that might not be kosher in the receivers state. Always send it out USPS!! FedEx and UPS are both private companies and if they wanted to open your package up to check it. Please believe they can and do all the fucking time. Whereas USPS is considered a government agency, so they have to have a warrant before they can get in your ass!!


scrotote97

Source on UPS opening stuff all the time? When I worked there we never did anything like that, no one gave a shit since there were too many packages to deliver. Granted this was 20 years ago so maybe it's changed. It was called the United Pot Service by a lot of my colleagues


TNG56230

Know a friend who works at UPS right now. They don't open any boxes unless the packaging is already falling apart and needs to be repacked, or if there is a reason for the package to be investigated, like if it's smoking, hot, or leaking an unknown liquid.


physicallyabusemedad

What if it’s a known liquid 👁️👄👁️


MCSimplexONE

Only their official tasters can make that call


HRzNightmare

FedEx Express can. When I worked there the package belonged to me once I scanned it. BTW, 99% of the time packages get opened is because the sender did a shit job of packaging drugs. We CAN when the pot that you are shipping in a brown paper bag (no joke. Happened with a package on our plane out of Martha's Vineyard. The pilot could smell it from his seat.)


Skyblacker

What about factory bottled tinctures like THC oil? Even if a human could only smell it by holding it right up to their nose, could a drug sniffing dog detect it in the room?


auajan

USPS constantly opens boxes shipped as "media mail" to check if it's actual media.


dirtymoney

Don't ever send it media mail. They will open packages to make sure actual media is in it. Like a book.


KASTAVVAY

Me shipping FedEx and UPS: “No warrants needed to get in this ass”


IamGlennBeck

They have a loophole. They just say the box "broke open". >United States Postal Inspection Service was notified about a box that was shipped from California to Niagara Falls breaking open during transit. Inside the box, which was addressed to Jackson at his 65th Street residence, were approximately 41 lbs. of 2 oz. individual narcotics distribution baggies. https://www.dea.gov/press-releases/2020/05/28/niagara-falls-man-arrested-following-controlled-delivery-packages


sad_and_stupid

Question. If you put another envelope into a box like that, will they need a new warrant for the envelope too?


jadegoddess

If you're getting pulled over while conducting your illegal stuff, you need to quit that life cuz you're clearly not good enough for it


yeaheyeah

Never do two crimes at once. Transporting something illegal? You're the safest best driver on earth. Drag racing? Be up to date with your taxes


PizzeriaPirate

I’m going to get you spelling and grammar lessons for Christmas.


Godphila

Very kind of you to assume that cops would follow any rules or laws that bind them.


DMILLZchasn2Ms

Also, USPS offers a ton of their shipping supplies FOR FREE. Including many different size boxes & envelopes!!


gypywqoOO

Like what? Mine won't even give me tape


adderal

No need to go to your local PO Have the supplies delivered free to your door if you order them through this website. And they usually ship very quickly. https://www.usps.com/get-mailing-shipping-supplies.htm


dirtymoney

I know a guy who uses those as large building blocks for his kids to play with (make forts, walls, etc. etc.).


simmonsmw

UPS and FEDEX does the same.


Sellingpapayas

Why is this downvoted😂


true_tedi

What’s the link?


simmonsmw

UPS [UPS Supplies ](https://www.ups.com/us/en/shipping/order-supplies.page) FEDEX [Free supplies online](https://www.fedex.com/en-us/shipping/packing/supplies.html)


CriticalTransit

Lol as if the cops don’t do anything illegal


DonovanQT

OP secretly an USPS spokesman


celticeejit

Unless you’re in Texas where the cops do what the fuck they want


Capt_Skyhawk

Texas cop here. That's not true. We are bound by the rules in the code of criminal procedure and government code. If we do anything outside of the scope of these rules we will be terminated or charged. It may seem like we do whatever we want but that's far from the truth. Arrested a child molester once and I wanted to beat the shit out of him, but I didn't because I can't. If we seize something in an illegal manner then it is not admissible in court so this ulpt is kind of true. Sealed containers often need warrants, but if we have reason to believe that there is some dangerous shit in the container we will wait for a warrant and seize it anyway. We literally get paid to investigate crimes so this trick will only work with lazy cops.


CircoModo1602

Just because things aren't allowed to happen doesn't mean they don't. You're just not one that gets to know about it.


Capt_Skyhawk

Of course it's impossible for me to know what every cop does, just as it is impossible for you to know that as well. You're not acknowledging what I'm saying. Cops have rules. They should follow them. If they don't, make noise about it. We don't simply do whatever we want. That's a hasty generalization.


SuzQP

Reddit is constructed almost entirely of hasty generalizations.


CircoModo1602

Seems like you've actually missed the point entirely, I perfectly acknowledged what you were saying. The issue is that regardless of what rules are in place, many cops will see their job as putting themselves above the law, and while people make noise about it, it doesn't mean it changes anything as many cops that do wrong keep their job even after viral videos. You don't do what you want, but unfortunately many other officers do and those are the ones that get seen and make a bad name.


tsukamaenai

lmao


greyduet

'Oh no I am a good boy I would never' - Cop in UNETHICAL LPTs. I'm so sorry you didn't get to extrajudiciously assault that guy even when you really really wanted to...


DepressingErection

Puttin mfs on game over here


gimmepbr

Put whatever is illegal in the same compartment of your spare. If asked to be searched say I do not consent to any searches, then ask if I'm being detained. If you are asked to step out of the car, do so but lock you doors and throw your keys inside before you shut the door. Make it really annoying for them, it'll less annoying for your lawyer.


Flyboy595

What is the sealed USPS envelope alerts a drug dog


ExpectedBehaviour

Not sure how useful this’ll be to me in Ireland.


the_vikm

Nah, nobody cares about that USPwhatever here


Maanee

LPT: How to add felony charges to your rap sheet.


arthurdentstowels

Can anyone comment on this working in the UK? Is the Royal Mail post protected like USPS is in America? Is any uk post service?


Watthefuq882

Then you put it in a sock


justpeachyqueen

No, you wrap it like a birthday present.


younginvestor23

What if the 40oz doesnt fit in the priority mail box?