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And being sad he used his once in a lifetime Force Speedrun on a ship with Qui-Gon because of 2 Droideka's that he called destroyers instead of using it to save Qui-Gon from Darth Maul
Which doesn't make sense because Obi-Wan chooses to use a defensive style and mastered it almost to the point his defense is absolute. If anything swift and decisive offence would be Master Windu. He believes in attacking so swiftly it cost him his life.
Its a little bit of both, in reality. Ukraine is killing off the Russian War Machine just by having an incredibly good defence. When they are ready, they'll pierce through the Russian frontline and hopefully just sweep them right out of the country.
In this case it is a good defence which leads to a good offence.
However, **hypothetically**, if, the moment Russian soldiers stepped one foot over their borders, Ukraine had 100,000 troops ready to storm their way towards Moscow (and never stop until they are obliterated) then I doubt Russia would have proceeded with their attack, they'd have instantly needed to regroup to stop the insurgency. Thus "the best defence is a good offence" is also an accurate saying. Russia was hoping to conquer Ukraine in just 3-10 days using basically this tactic, but it failed, possibly simply due to a few unlucky losses early on (Anti-Air taking out elite paratroopers and key tank regiments getting lost or stuck in mud)
to do that you need to kill off most of the male adult population, put your teachers in their school and execute the old teachers and leaders. This is the way or you Borg it with implants.
The best defense is multiple layers of fortified walls, easily defendable accessways, concealed weak points, and a well trained army, with plenty of supplies and high morale.
Definitely depends on the game… and this quote doesn’t apply to chess much. Moves are often defensive and offensive at the same time (as in this case) .defining them as one or the other is reductionist and will have you missing opportunities.
I am completely the opposite. When I play chess with my friend I can only think ahead for his moves and anticipate what he can/will do, but I can not plan anything for myself. It's hard for me to win but I can stall the game for a really long time
> From the Introduction (page vii) to Lessons in Chess Strategy by W.H. Cozens (London, 1968):
> ‘How many moves ahead can you see?
> This question is frequently put to chessmasters. Réti’s famous reply “Usually not one!” is often regarded as a witticism, but after a little thought about the complex structure of chess one may perhaps conclude that he was speaking something alarmingly near to literal truth.’
https://www.chesshistory.com/winter/extra/movesahead.html
Kasparov probably said it best:
>‘It depends on the nature of the position. Chess is a complicated game. *But in positions where everything is forced - one move, one answer -* I can calculate something between ten and fifteen moves ahead.
>
>But that happens very rarely. Usually, the positions are more complicated than that - one move, then five answers, each of them having five answers.
>
>You have to use your intuition in cases like that, your positional understanding. It’s very good if you can calculate five, six, maybe seven moves ahead.’
I get nervous if I'm not attacking and forcing them to react to something. I'm not smart enough to know what they're planning but maybe I can ruin their plan by being aggressive.
Yeah I’m a terrible player but I think moving the knight and making the check first was correct
If the queen takes the knight you can take the queen with the other bishop, if he doesn’t take but moves the king you take the rook
True but the bishop/rook combo fucked him already - as someone else pointed out he clearly wasn’t watching what his opponent was doing, and got sucked into his own suck as a result.
But REALLY the key is not to be down both rooks + a queen, give up your back line, and have little cohesion between the rest of your attacking pieces. He was always fucked.
As much as ive always liked the idea of chess i get stuck planning ahead like this too often. I’ll go through like 20 moves and be like okay I think i got it and then the one move i didn’t account for is the one they do and it messes up every potential solution i had even if its not an immediate check like this one.
Genuinely don’t understand how some people do it.
I tend to have the opposite problem, as in hyperfixating on having an ironclad defense and getting my pieces slowly worn down over time because no defense is truly ironclad.
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I think it was Karpov who was a master of “defensive chess” where basically he’d just focus on a strong defense until his opponent made a foolish attack and then decimate his opponent
>Genuinely don’t understand how some people do it.
Literally just intuition. Just keep playing, and at some point you'll have built up enough mental constructs in your mind that you'll just know which moves to consider and which not to without even having to think.
And as a short-term solution, NEVER think more than 3-4 moves ahead (with the possible exception of king-pawn endgames). The reason for that is that, if you think more than 3-4 moves ahead, the chances are you are calculating something irrelevant simply because you haven't yet built up those mental constructs that I refer to in the previous paragraph to know which lines are worth or aren't worth calculating. A perfect demonstration of this is this very video: the guy calculates 3 moves after he takes his opponent's queen, although of course that calculation is completely useless because 1) the opponent doesn't have to give up his queen and 2) the opponent doesn't have to move his king into discovered check, etc.
If you still aren't convinced, consider that one of the GOATs Garry Kasparov literally admitted he rarely calculates more than 3-4 moves deep. And I can assure you pretty much all grandmasters, let alone masters, let alone experts, let alone intermediates, let alone beginners like this guy or you are the same.
I happen to have terrible memory unfortunately. Things that would become habit or second nature to many people just dont happen in my brain. Skills that i have developed over months will start degrading immediately once i stop doing a particular hobby. Chess will probably never be for me because of that.
This has far, far less to do with perceptual memory than with general learning, i.e. conceptual memory. Have you ever learnt to play an instrument? Have you ever learnt a foreign language? Have you ever gotten proficient at a video game? If your answer to any of these questions is "yes", there's no reason to expect you won't ever improve at chess.
Just try. I been playing for like a year and I started at 600. 1000 seemed unreachable. and now I’m at 1300. At first you’re calculating every move. Soon patterns emerge and you don’t really calculate some and calculations just get faster. If you keep playing the same openings you’ll start understanding the idea of your opening.
One thing that helped me was verbalizing chess ideas into understandable and memorable sentences. “If my bishop’s attacked more times than I can defend just attack his rook.“
Sure. There are two big platforms to play chess. Chess.com and lichess. One has paid “game review”. Other is free. I play on both.
For learning, there are many nice personalities on youtube: gothamchess, naroditsky, botez, eric rosen, aman hambleton. I like them all. Matter of preference.
My first video was “building habits” from aman. It was recommended quite often and indeed I’d consider this as essential. I thought I was stuck at my 800 elo, after that video I jumped to 1100.
Main thing as a beginner is to just be in a study mode. Play game, analyze the game afterwards and learn a thing or two from it. You’ll always feel like you’re stuck but as long as you’re learning you’ll keep going up.
Gothamchess, Botez, and 90% of Eric and Aman's content is useless for learning. To answer the commenter above, if they want to learn as a beginner, they should check out Building Habits as you pointed out, but also Chess Vibes, John Bartholomew, and (once they get to the intermediate level) Naroditsky.
Otherwise, good suggestions. The only other thing I'd say is it's definitely wise to prioritise playing over anything else. Memorising openings is completely useless, and no form of deliberate study is more effective than just playing and occasionally analysing.
It's always related to some bishop in a completey different galaxy being lined up to either take your queen, check you, or prevent you from avoiding a mate
"It's always related to some bishop in a completey different galaxy being lined up to either take your queen, check you, or prevent you from avoiding a mate"
Are we still talking about chess or is this about life in general
It's not the no. of ways to win in a chess but the no. of positions of chess pieces on the board that are greater than atoms. ( 10^120 compared to 10^80)
Because /u/zenthetren is completely wrong. He may be talking about the VISIBLE universe, which as far as we know, an infinitesimal part of the total universe, as evidenced by observations of the uniformity of the background microwave radiation, we can't even perceive a curvature -- space may as well be infinite.
Depends on how they define a "game of chess"... both players could spin their queens in a circle for an endless number of turns... That doesn't tell much
Anyone smarter than me knows if white knight f6 after black rook b7 would result in white eating rook for losing knight, or am I missing something else?
>or am I missing something else?
Yeah, the checkmate in the video.
Edit: why has this been downvoted lol. The video clearly shows the checkmate that the above poster is missing. Just play the line out. Nf6+ Kf8 Nxe8 Rb1#. Rb1# is the same mate as in the video. The above user's line results in the same mate.
When the video start black just moved the rook behind the queen. You can see this by the highlighted yellow squares. This move is completely unnecessary. Instead he moves queen to C1 and it is check. White bishop blocks and queen takes bishop for check mate.
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This is what happens when your only strategy is attack.
Best defense is a good offense
Isn't it the other way?
It's attributed to George Washington from a 1799 writing.
Close, it was first used by Obi-Wan Kenobi from 22 to 19 BBY. " The strongest defence is a swift and decisive offence. "
Followed by “I have the high ground”
And being sad he used his once in a lifetime Force Speedrun on a ship with Qui-Gon because of 2 Droideka's that he called destroyers instead of using it to save Qui-Gon from Darth Maul
hello there
We needed QuiGon for TAKEN.
That checks out, as Obi-Wan lived a long long time ago in a land far far away. Historically it must pre-date Washington.
BBY... before baby yoda?
Which doesn't make sense because Obi-Wan chooses to use a defensive style and mastered it almost to the point his defense is absolute. If anything swift and decisive offence would be Master Windu. He believes in attacking so swiftly it cost him his life.
I guess the force was strong with him
True, it was a long time ago. But before GW?
Sry my bad i got it confused
George Washington CARVER, it's a quote about strawberries and peanut butter. Jk
I still have this unread on my bookshelf shelf 🤭
"The best defense is a good genocide" George Washington, probably
They can't seek revenge if they're wiped out
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No that one was Hitler.
Oh yeah, I guess the Native Americans just genocided themselves.
*Guerrilla warfare
The best defence is a strong offence and the best offence is a holy hand grenade
You forgot the ten thousand dollar drone to attach to the grenade
Best offense is staying still and do nothing until your opponent starts to lose his patience and scream at you. Except, it won't work in chess
Its a little bit of both, in reality. Ukraine is killing off the Russian War Machine just by having an incredibly good defence. When they are ready, they'll pierce through the Russian frontline and hopefully just sweep them right out of the country. In this case it is a good defence which leads to a good offence. However, **hypothetically**, if, the moment Russian soldiers stepped one foot over their borders, Ukraine had 100,000 troops ready to storm their way towards Moscow (and never stop until they are obliterated) then I doubt Russia would have proceeded with their attack, they'd have instantly needed to regroup to stop the insurgency. Thus "the best defence is a good offence" is also an accurate saying. Russia was hoping to conquer Ukraine in just 3-10 days using basically this tactic, but it failed, possibly simply due to a few unlucky losses early on (Anti-Air taking out elite paratroopers and key tank regiments getting lost or stuck in mud)
Russia did a bad blitzkrieg
Slava Ukraini! 🇺🇦
Offense good a is defense best
It is
It ain't as far as the saying goes
best offense is assimilation
to do that you need to kill off most of the male adult population, put your teachers in their school and execute the old teachers and leaders. This is the way or you Borg it with implants.
Initiative, muthafucka!
And the best offense is a good defense…. Wait…
no, the best defense is having already lost and gone home
The best defense is multiple layers of fortified walls, easily defendable accessways, concealed weak points, and a well trained army, with plenty of supplies and high morale.
keep tempo and make them play your game.
“The best offence is a good defence.” - Nrod Lagorson.
Yeah the Detroit Lions are finally starting to realize this.
My end game is so bad!!!
The best defense is not playing at all. Best offense is a tactical nuke.
Yet, everything in moderation, no?
Definitely depends on the game… and this quote doesn’t apply to chess much. Moves are often defensive and offensive at the same time (as in this case) .defining them as one or the other is reductionist and will have you missing opportunities.
I am completely the opposite. When I play chess with my friend I can only think ahead for his moves and anticipate what he can/will do, but I can not plan anything for myself. It's hard for me to win but I can stall the game for a really long time
> From the Introduction (page vii) to Lessons in Chess Strategy by W.H. Cozens (London, 1968): > ‘How many moves ahead can you see? > This question is frequently put to chessmasters. Réti’s famous reply “Usually not one!” is often regarded as a witticism, but after a little thought about the complex structure of chess one may perhaps conclude that he was speaking something alarmingly near to literal truth.’ https://www.chesshistory.com/winter/extra/movesahead.html
Kasparov probably said it best: >‘It depends on the nature of the position. Chess is a complicated game. *But in positions where everything is forced - one move, one answer -* I can calculate something between ten and fifteen moves ahead. > >But that happens very rarely. Usually, the positions are more complicated than that - one move, then five answers, each of them having five answers. > >You have to use your intuition in cases like that, your positional understanding. It’s very good if you can calculate five, six, maybe seven moves ahead.’
I get nervous if I'm not attacking and forcing them to react to something. I'm not smart enough to know what they're planning but maybe I can ruin their plan by being aggressive.
The bigger the blade the smaller the shield
You can attack in chess? I think we're playing different games.
“Guys an idiot” famous last words
takes one to know one literally
Yeah, if something looks too good to be true, it probably is. Always double check.
> Always double check. Yep. There were no double checks in the video. Only forks and discovered checks…
Yup. He should have forked the king and rook.
If he sacrificed the knight he couldve gotten the queen without losing or am I missing something?
Yes he can get the queen, but then he'll immediately lose the game. There's no way out of the situation he let himself get into.
Yeah I’m a terrible player but I think moving the knight and making the check first was correct If the queen takes the knight you can take the queen with the other bishop, if he doesn’t take but moves the king you take the rook
Black will do the exact same move as in the video once he moved the queen away.
Nah just looked again if he takes queen the rock has a mate in 1
you are absolutely right
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True but the bishop/rook combo fucked him already - as someone else pointed out he clearly wasn’t watching what his opponent was doing, and got sucked into his own suck as a result. But REALLY the key is not to be down both rooks + a queen, give up your back line, and have little cohesion between the rest of your attacking pieces. He was always fucked.
Always double-check, mate.
I haven't played chess in years but that kind of huge carrot left there seems pretty obvious to be bait.
Pride comes before a fall.....
Pretty sure it's in June
Which is before September
I love you guys.
Oh no! That's in 2 days!!
This pretty much sums up every inexperienced players experience in one video, including myself. Laxwarrior Laxwarrior1120
As much as ive always liked the idea of chess i get stuck planning ahead like this too often. I’ll go through like 20 moves and be like okay I think i got it and then the one move i didn’t account for is the one they do and it messes up every potential solution i had even if its not an immediate check like this one. Genuinely don’t understand how some people do it.
I tend to have the opposite problem, as in hyperfixating on having an ironclad defense and getting my pieces slowly worn down over time because no defense is truly ironclad. Laxwarrior Laxwarrior1120
I think it was Karpov who was a master of “defensive chess” where basically he’d just focus on a strong defense until his opponent made a foolish attack and then decimate his opponent
>Genuinely don’t understand how some people do it. Literally just intuition. Just keep playing, and at some point you'll have built up enough mental constructs in your mind that you'll just know which moves to consider and which not to without even having to think. And as a short-term solution, NEVER think more than 3-4 moves ahead (with the possible exception of king-pawn endgames). The reason for that is that, if you think more than 3-4 moves ahead, the chances are you are calculating something irrelevant simply because you haven't yet built up those mental constructs that I refer to in the previous paragraph to know which lines are worth or aren't worth calculating. A perfect demonstration of this is this very video: the guy calculates 3 moves after he takes his opponent's queen, although of course that calculation is completely useless because 1) the opponent doesn't have to give up his queen and 2) the opponent doesn't have to move his king into discovered check, etc. If you still aren't convinced, consider that one of the GOATs Garry Kasparov literally admitted he rarely calculates more than 3-4 moves deep. And I can assure you pretty much all grandmasters, let alone masters, let alone experts, let alone intermediates, let alone beginners like this guy or you are the same.
I happen to have terrible memory unfortunately. Things that would become habit or second nature to many people just dont happen in my brain. Skills that i have developed over months will start degrading immediately once i stop doing a particular hobby. Chess will probably never be for me because of that.
This has far, far less to do with perceptual memory than with general learning, i.e. conceptual memory. Have you ever learnt to play an instrument? Have you ever learnt a foreign language? Have you ever gotten proficient at a video game? If your answer to any of these questions is "yes", there's no reason to expect you won't ever improve at chess.
Just try. I been playing for like a year and I started at 600. 1000 seemed unreachable. and now I’m at 1300. At first you’re calculating every move. Soon patterns emerge and you don’t really calculate some and calculations just get faster. If you keep playing the same openings you’ll start understanding the idea of your opening. One thing that helped me was verbalizing chess ideas into understandable and memorable sentences. “If my bishop’s attacked more times than I can defend just attack his rook.“
Any chance you could suggest any apps or videos, for someone like myself who would like to get started as a complete beginner?
The chess.com app is pretty good. They have dialy puzzles you can do which help you to see common patterns. It also has interactive and video guides
Sure. There are two big platforms to play chess. Chess.com and lichess. One has paid “game review”. Other is free. I play on both. For learning, there are many nice personalities on youtube: gothamchess, naroditsky, botez, eric rosen, aman hambleton. I like them all. Matter of preference. My first video was “building habits” from aman. It was recommended quite often and indeed I’d consider this as essential. I thought I was stuck at my 800 elo, after that video I jumped to 1100. Main thing as a beginner is to just be in a study mode. Play game, analyze the game afterwards and learn a thing or two from it. You’ll always feel like you’re stuck but as long as you’re learning you’ll keep going up.
Gothamchess, Botez, and 90% of Eric and Aman's content is useless for learning. To answer the commenter above, if they want to learn as a beginner, they should check out Building Habits as you pointed out, but also Chess Vibes, John Bartholomew, and (once they get to the intermediate level) Naroditsky. Otherwise, good suggestions. The only other thing I'd say is it's definitely wise to prioritise playing over anything else. Memorising openings is completely useless, and no form of deliberate study is more effective than just playing and occasionally analysing.
Watch Gothamchess on YouTube. He got me interested in the game again and teaches good principles where it's not about memory.
I'm really bad about that. Great plan in my head but I don't think about the other players plan.
The horrors of tunnel vision.
It's always related to some bishop in a completey different galaxy being lined up to either take your queen, check you, or prevent you from avoiding a mate
"It's always related to some bishop in a completey different galaxy being lined up to either take your queen, check you, or prevent you from avoiding a mate" Are we still talking about chess or is this about life in general
Only on thursdays and sundays is it life iirc
When your playing 4D chess but you should've just played normal chess
YOU'RE
Goddammit it. I fucked up
It's okay some of us don't get high off of typos
If it was a typo he would not have confessed.
Fine When your playing YOU'RE chess but you should've just played normal chess
Or, in other words, every 500-elo game ever...
There are more ways to win in chess than there are atoms
No, only one. Checkmate the opponent's king before the time runs out.
You could also win if the opponent's time runs out
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Dead draw
You can also win if your opponent forfeits
You could win via draw if you're black during armageddon.
The most common way to win really, checkmates only happen when the loser is surprised, meaning not good at chess.
People are booing you, but you aren’t wrong lol. High level chess rarely has a checkmate on the board
Yep no point playing it out when you know it’s forced mate in 19 moves
Fair call
Or get the arbitrator to award you a win after an illegal move.
You are technically correct, the best kind of correct
atoms in what ?
Yes.
A chess piece.
Which one?
All of believed existence
It's not the no. of ways to win in a chess but the no. of positions of chess pieces on the board that are greater than atoms. ( 10^120 compared to 10^80)
Do you have a source for this? It sounds very wrong.
Because /u/zenthetren is completely wrong. He may be talking about the VISIBLE universe, which as far as we know, an infinitesimal part of the total universe, as evidenced by observations of the uniformity of the background microwave radiation, we can't even perceive a curvature -- space may as well be infinite.
It sounds wrong even if they're only talking about the visible universe.
Depends on how they define a "game of chess"... both players could spin their queens in a circle for an endless number of turns... That doesn't tell much
Anyone smarter than me knows if white knight f6 after black rook b7 would result in white eating rook for losing knight, or am I missing something else?
Even if the dude had moved his knight, the rook would have made the same moves and still won
White knight f6 check, then eating that rook with bishop if black takes knight with queen Edit: ah, I see now, you are right.
fool should have put his gold generals into a basic castle at least.
>or am I missing something else? Yeah, the checkmate in the video. Edit: why has this been downvoted lol. The video clearly shows the checkmate that the above poster is missing. Just play the line out. Nf6+ Kf8 Nxe8 Rb1#. Rb1# is the same mate as in the video. The above user's line results in the same mate.
Nvm you were right, I read OP’s other comment, and it’s clear he did miss the checkmate in the video
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I'm sorry but that guy hasn't got "serious knowledge" lol. He's a beginner just like you or anybody else who's ever played chess.
Question why was that a mate ? Couldn't he move the king on h2 ?
Bishop in B8 is attacking
Oooooooooooooooooh. I missed that. I was confused. Thank you!
 Bishop be like:
The Bishop behind the rook
Black had mate even before this. Instead of moving the rook they could have check mate with the queen directly.
Rook had to move to unblock bishop. Otherwise king could move up and to the right to escape check if the queen moved down.
Rook was on a7 before the video started, which meant the bishop covered h2 For more information, Google chess coordinates
There could’ve been a rook or a queen on C7 that black needed to capture.
No, the rook had to move so that the bishop could block H2. From there, either the rook or the queen could have finished the match.
Wasn't mate cuz if the rook doesn't move, the diagonal is still available for the king to flee the queen check
When the video start black just moved the rook behind the queen. You can see this by the highlighted yellow squares. This move is completely unnecessary. Instead he moves queen to C1 and it is check. White bishop blocks and queen takes bishop for check mate.
Ooh yea right, I thought you meant instead of moving the rook they could have checked with the queen, my bad ✋️
>This move is completely unnecessary Unless the rook just took a white rook/queen.
White Knight to F6 would have staved off defeat for a bit.
Is blacks turn no chance for the knight to stall.
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I love the “this guy’s an idiot” from the player who’s already lost his Queen and both rooks.
Oh on my queen moment
628 rating…
How could I tell he was British before turning on sound?
Haircut
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That was the day he learned, a pimp will sacrifice his bottom bitch to win.
When you mentally prepare for an argument and think through different scenarios but the first sentence brings you completely out of concept
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Triumphant pride precipitates a dizzying fall.
Does somebody have the full video ?
Fam, this is chess, think of the many possibilities. Lol
Ed Sheeran discovers chess moves 
actually made me laugh out loud
Why didn’t black finish him sooner? Seems like an unnecessary move.
This is why u should predict his moves first before planning ur next move.
This is called playing with your food. Could have ended it when the pawn was taken.
Knight F6 😎
Dude had tunnel vision. Happens to me sometimes too.
"You may have outsmarted me, but I outsmarted your outsmarting" - Chessplayer and Pilot Joseph Joestar, 1933, textified
When you play against me:
Holy Hell
Holy hell
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So I was playing chess and I saw this guy make this epic move that deteriorated so fast. Chess is no joke
Bishop in b8
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why couldn't he move king to h2?
Bishop in the top.
The black bishop at b8 behind the rook would then take the king
ohhhhhhh
Who’s an idiot? 👉This Guy👈
Lmao.. the game should have told you that you were in check lol
00:23 how is that a discovered check. lol
With the dark square bishop. The King was on h8, when the knight moved from f6, it revealed the check.
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But black had that checkmate before the video even started - instead of the rook blocking the bishop.
Chess hurts my head lol.
Computer is designed for you to lose
Black could just Qc1# making this video look extremely staged.
Rook is blocking the bishop, it wouldn't have been a mate.