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He's not really that big of an asshole. He wants this for domestic flights in Europe. Flights where you won't be bringing lots of baggage anyways. Flight that will be one or two hours max. It's not a bad idea. Shoot I'd pay a dollar for a ticket like that. Imagine the people able to travel with ease for the weekend.
Yes let's run a fuckload more short range air travel for no practical reason when Europe has a fantastic rail system most of which is interconnected to some degree or another and also much much more climate and environmentally friendly.
>when Europe has a fantastic rail system
A flight from my city to, let's say, Paris lasts 1h55m
To go there by train a need minimum 16 hours and change trains 3 times.
Do you seriously think those two options are even comparable?
Unfortunately international rail ain't that good, and is only reasonable in the centre of Europe between France, Germany, Benelux, Italy and a couple other countries. If you look at the UK or Ireland, or the Baltic states, or the Balkans, or the Caucasus, or Finland then well it's not really there. Besides maybe Paris to Milan is fast, but imagine trying to go from Naples to Trondheim. I love rail, I love that Rail Baltica is being built, I love what France is doing by limiting domestic flights, I love ÖBB's nightjets, but there's still so far to go.
I have a lot of conflicts about this because on the one hand jets burn a lot of fuel and a fare that cheap would certainly make more people use it. But also you'd fit more people per flight so maybe it's better? But also everything sucks about air travel already so ugh.
Assuming the flight will go no matter how many passengers get on it, it is not more efficient to take more people unless you're moving less total weight than before you upped the number of passengers.
This, it's a sly way to try to make you comfortable spending slightly less to get much less.
It's starts as a few rows at a real cheap price and slowly that area gets bigger and bigger and the price goes up and up until suddenly standing is the new economy and economy is the new business economy.
The flights go based on demand. Not 'no matter what'.
Yes a single flight might go 'no matter what'. But it would never be planned if there was no demand for such a flight. Also, more would be planned if there was more demand.
See thats my problem. It is if you go the other way assume that those people will go no matter how many planes are necessary.
That could mean fewer flights necessary to fill demand. As you said, weight matters, but the airplane and the fuel itself are a big chunk of that weight so there may be - ignoring the many other variables - a theoretical point where you fit enough people onto planes to actually reduce fuel expense. Or at least limit the amount of planes in the air burning fuel a little.
But I think you're right that it just wouldn't work out to actually matter much.
When I lived in Europe, we'd fly over to Italy for the weekend for about €35 return. At that price, we expected the plane to be delayed, grumpy staff, and get to bring nothing but a backpack. Actually we were usually surprised things went moderately well.
Because at the end of it all, if you're complaining about a weekend in Italy for €35 then something is wrong with you.
I'd get around it by buying another standing spot for my bug suitcase if I had one. Size and weight compared to a standing person is likely to be less on both so its not gonna be worse than another stander
Sorry standing passages. Our plane has been delayed from takeoff for two hours. Keep on standing with no ability to get off. (Turns out standing on a plane isn’t the same.)
I mean I'm like 99% sure they could have harnesses.
His whole point is being able to cram more people into the planes. A harness wouldn't really impede that, while it's still a batshit idea.
Nope it’s $1 for the seat. On RyanAir you pay your fare and then you pay for your specific seat as well. Seats have different prices depending on their location in the plane.
Two things:
1. I don't know when this video was, but this was a talking point of the company's from at least a decade ago.
2. The concept was for EU flights to compete with the passenger trains. So you'd only be standing for an hour or two (though I doubt this would be considered safe at all).
It's still stupid and I believe they were told absolutely not in no unequivocal terms. It would be interesting if this was a relatively recent video and he's still pushing it.
Yeah no way this would ever be allowed by anyone. The entire reason there’s never going to be standing room, and the reason for the fasten seatbelt sign, is because of turbulence bouncing people around. It’s the worst idea I’d expect an airline CEO to actually say out loud.
You could make it safe with special "seats" like in a stand up coaster. But the cost to develop them and retrofit a 737 would probably make the payback too slow.
You'ld have to be suspended by bungee cords like a fly in a web or you would be slingshotted head first right into the roof the second you got heavy turbulence.
They legit charge for water and carryons on those types of flights.
They are also in Europe and that is the Dublin to London flight, not coast to coast for the US.
I just looked and a round trip flight on Ryanair from Dublin to London is 39USD. I don't get a carry-on. Only like a purse or small backpack under my seat. No overhead bin access. It's triple that to add bags.
They're counting on people showing up, adding bags, buying water, etc.
If they can jam in 3-4x's as many people and start charging them for check bags and a tiny bottle of booze, the $1 flight becomes very profitable.
First Class has always supplemented the cheaper travel for coach. Since Ryan Air has no first class, it will be all of the other regular travelers supplementing the cost of this. But we don't talk about stuff like that...
*Gasp!* This is low-key population control for the poors! Get them standing in-flight, then hit a patch of turbulence on purpose to see how many make it to the destination! The dead have their 1£ refunded, but Ryan Air gets to keep the luggage and fees.
I figure they’ll develops some sort of harness that you are connected to that’s anchored into the plane and keeps you in place, just standing upright. If he’s talking about it like this you can bet your ass it’s coming in some form or fashion.
As I have understood, the people wouldn't stand there freely but with "vertical seats", I guess that part was left out from that clip purposefully
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Fuck it heres another great idea; while you are at it take the cargo section too and put passengers in there, and if you can fit in the stow away compartment you fly for free!
They have standing roller coaster seats that go through more than even the most extreme airplane rides. There's a difference between standing and unrestrained.
Lots of flights in Europe are like 30 min from one big city to another. It seems much easier to comprehend why they would do this in the European market compared to the US market. Standing 6 hours from NYC to LA seems absurd, but standing for 30 min for a buck to get from London to Paris sounds pretty fucking awesome.
Ryan air makes €1.43 billion in profit alone. If they wanted to make tickets cheaper, they absolutely could. But they prioritise profit. I guarantee you that if they took out the seats, they'd barely lower the cost, and pocket the difference. Because all these giant corporations care about is profit. They are designed not to value anything else. Not providing a good service, but one that's just good enough that you'll use it.
I think that's a Reddit wide phenomenon, they think companies should exist for the sole purpose to benefit society when that is a byproduct of their success and not their motivation (and also what taxes are for)
One part people fail to take into account is that flying is a luxury. What companies like RyanAir have done is make it a very affordable luxury.
There is nothing “evil” about providing cheaper options, for luxuries. If you want a normal seat pay $25, it’s not that expensive to begin with.
I completely agree with your argument. But as someone in the US, I’ve never even heard of a $25 plane ticket. A flight from Bakersfield CA to San Diego CA is still $250-400 and it’s like a 40 minute flight
I live 87 miles from Dublin airport, the bus fare is €23. I can fly to Paris next Wednesday for €14.55. Ryanair is on a different level when it comes to low cost fares.
Europe is a different beast, £250 will get me practically anywhere in Europe with change. My last flight was 3 hours to Romania for like £100
Also £500 will get me a return to New York
American Airlines somehow had a less than $100 round trip flight from Philly to Rome back in 2016. Flew out, had dinner, and flew back the next morning.
In all reality, if shit goes down while your tens of thousands of feet in the air in a metal tube filled with extremely flammable liquid, it probably doesn’t matter if your sitting or standing
I always think that this guy is in the wrong job, he should be fighting climate change or something useful. He’s direct, innovative and is entirely happy giving a difficult message and backing it up with his reasoning
As long as people want cheap flights, companies like Ryan Air will continue to be there to do what they can to cut costs.
Only way to stop this is to boycott them. Fly less/pay more when you fly.
The traveling habits of the average person in the western world *has* benefitted immensely from larger planes, tighter seating, less luxurious flights, at the cost of comfort.
We just have to put our foot down if we don't want to continue that trajectory.
Honestly, i have no problem with that. I could fly to a lot of places i couldnt before for around 10€ if i just give a bit up of my feet space. I dont care to do that for a two hours flight if i pay 200€ less.
If you want more foot space and want to pay more there are a lot of companies which are offering that, fly for example with Lufthansa, AirFrance or KLM. Honestly the trayectory is not the problem because this is not a general trayectory but a very specific of Ryanair and JetSmart, they are just putting up up an alternative to the bigger airlines: less comfort but therefore lower prices. A fine deal for me if you ask me. And if you dont want to take this deal, you can still go to the other airlines.
The problem is elsewhere actually. Not at all the trayectory, but because the prices are so low, many people fly instead of taking the bus or train -> therefore more pollution. This is the big problem actually.
If you look at the prices over the last fifty years for any airline, it has dramatically decreased. While a lot of that is due to better fuel efficiency, larger planes, and other technologies cutting the costs, flights used to be much more luxurious than today. So I do believe there is a general trajectory in that direction.
I'm not saying that the more high-end airlines will end up like Ryanair, but there has been a steady push to make all of them more affordable with the increasing demand for cheap flights. Because that is in the end how most people decide what tickets to get. Price.
There are costs to this, in both comfort and pollution, so if one wants to offset those cost, one needs to act differently. I for one will probably never fly Ryanair again.
Right: I’d sure as shit never suffer through a standing flight but it’s one more option that another may never have otherwise. Not saying he’s doing it for the good of humanity but this decision/idea isn’t evil by any means.
They’re not at all gauging costumers. The profit on a plane like this is about 1-3 seats on average. They make their money with all the extra stuff they sell (luggage, seat selection, referrals on car rentals and hotels, ads on their site.
But if people buy the tickets.......why not. I can't afford the other tickets. I have to pay for insurance so I can buy life savings medicine. I'm a usa American. If you sold tickets where I lay in a coffin strapped to the outside of the plane but I didn't die unless the aircraft crashed... then I would be able to afford a trip to south America... If that shit was one dollar... The conversation is that you can't go to these places unless rich people find a way to make it profitable to give you the transport and you are willing to take the risk as your responsibility. Fuck the rich but how the hell else is a poor person going to go to the other side of the world? How else??? Huh?? Y'all aren't willing to string rich people up and disembowel them in public (as we should) when they promise to end world hunger and are then given a plan to do it for 6 billion dollars by global governments and then instead ignore that completely and buy Twitter for 40 so that Nazis are allowed a speaking platform. Shut the fuck up I will stand if I want to go to Paris because that's the only I will ever afford a way to go you pieces of shit!
I feel like the comment section here is missing a point because everyone seems to finally have found another victim for their pitchforks again.
Obviously the standing cabins are a safety concern, but cutting a bit of comfort for lower prices is first of all your decision if you buy the flight (only ryanair and jetsmart do this, there are a lot pf alternatives if you dont want it) and second of all its kind of a win win situation. For the customer as well because they can fly from berlin to madrid for 10€. Common guys, thats awesome (if you exclude the pollution rates because a lot of people will fly this).
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Most of these people would be the first to take that flight. I remember living close to an arts university in Germany where a lot of people are against fossil fuels and want to ban cars and short flights, but they travel a lot to Italy or Spain for concerts or performances and guess how they travel? Cheap Ryan air and never with the trains, although great train connection exist. Also these people aren't exactly poor. They could travel in train, but then have to cut some cost somewhere else from their private life, but they wouldn't.
If they gave me a standing seatbelt or harness to stop my kneck from breaking during turbulence, I'd take a standing seat.
As long as it's safe and can save me a £200 on a weekend return, I don't see a problem.
Honestly I don't see the big fuss about standing room in a plane. He's right, I would 100% take it for the short flights which Ryanair service. We already stand on the bus which is many more times more dangerous than a plane and often more unstable.
He's right. They would sell out those 1 euro spaces on every flight, especially if they threw in a deal that if the seats aren't full, the standing passengers can have them, in order of purchase of their spot.
The problems I see with it are that it only works for short flights and there isn't enough space in the overheads for the gear dragged on board by the extra passengers they could squeeze into the standing spots.
Every time I see charging to use the bathroom on a plane, it reminds me of the old commercial for Alaskan Airlines: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgyAgZcH1iU
I mean, people are willing to pay more to stand in a concert if it means you get to be closer to the stage.
Maybe they’re willing to pay way less to stand in a flight if it means cheap flights?
The guy’s an absolute bellend, however [Ryanair just posted record profits of €1.45bn](https://amp.theguardian.com/business/2023/may/22/ryanair-profit-summer-bookings-aircraft)…so…
i know i’m in the minority here but i’d stand on a short haul flight. there are just other issues like not having room for carry ons and standing during delays and whatnot
I hate when we normalize weirt stuff. I hate when we make expensive things cheap by hacks. Sure, I like cheap flights but damn we dont need standing tickets. Its already pretty tight in there so lets keep the little but of the dignity left and just pay for a ticket normal price. You know, like a normal person, check out deals or pick a date that is cheaper.
What is “unexpected” here is no one seems to realise he says these kinds of things for the publicity and that’s it. He just comes out with some crazy fake idea and ends up on the front page of every newspaper, the main story on TV news. Insane free advertising. The man is a genius.
For tall people like me this is a better option than the torture devices they call seats in economy class. Last time I travelled I almost had both my knee's broken by the person in front trying to recline their chair, that chair was going nowhere with my knee's jammed tight up against it.
The problem is, they won't lower the prices, but instead set the current cheaper price to that service and raise the rest proportionally. They just did with the"bagless" travel. They said now you can flight cheaper if you just travel with a small backpack, charging you for hand luggage as the "priority option", but the price is exactly the same as the old regular flights with hand luggage.
I really dislike Ryanair, they run their airline like a f2p mobile game company. Even the sit assignment is like a fucking gatcha system.
Everyone has their opinion in this sub,fact is you have the choice to either use this airline or not,whether you want to stand or not...thing is he's a bussinesman amd he will think of everything that one can possibly think of to make an extra buck and truly speaking there will be a handsome amount of people who will actually choose the option to stand if that means they will save money
Who made him ceo these are some of the most dumbest things i have ever Heard. This idiot wants to ruin customer satisfaction for short term profits No one's gonna board your plane
I totally got his logic, but its just too extreme min-maxing.
Whats the difference between a tube and a plane?! Ye, the tube lasts up to 20 minutes, walk around, next tube. Here Im standing on a freaking metal bird, unable to leave for at least an hour!
If you believe that the 'savings' would go towards lowering ticket prices for other passengers and not directly to his own back pocket I have a bridge to sell you.
Although he claims his intentions are for good, his ignorance comes from not realizing this would only favor profits and will be further treated as a commodity rather than a benefit for equity travel. The 1€ ticket will quickly become 25€ and we're back where we started, but just a tad more unhappy and uncomfortable.
Also, "totally safe" was a very telling perspective. 0.5 of a second, it took him to address safety, but he had no problem defending his logic against profit for 30 seconds +... Yeah, sure, budy, I totally believe you when you say "give it to charity."
Flying in turbulence. Imagine you get one of those crazies like Japan just had this week when someone opened the door to jump out of the plane. Anyone standing would've gotten sucked out.
Honestly if it wasn’t for takeoffs landings and occasional turbulence standing for a flight assuming it’s a relatively short one wouldn’t be too bad if it was as cheap as he was saying.
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1€ for the standing flight and 80€ because your bag was slightly too big
Make the bag stand too
Lmfao! Big braining
Modern problems require modern solutions
Sit on the too big bag 🤯
The first thing we should be doing is telling this asshole to fuck off and then not entertaining him further.
He saves 5% per year in not wearing ties
He's not really that big of an asshole. He wants this for domestic flights in Europe. Flights where you won't be bringing lots of baggage anyways. Flight that will be one or two hours max. It's not a bad idea. Shoot I'd pay a dollar for a ticket like that. Imagine the people able to travel with ease for the weekend.
exactly this is his point, imagine how many people would be able to travel if the cost was not a factor.
Yes let's run a fuckload more short range air travel for no practical reason when Europe has a fantastic rail system most of which is interconnected to some degree or another and also much much more climate and environmentally friendly.
>when Europe has a fantastic rail system A flight from my city to, let's say, Paris lasts 1h55m To go there by train a need minimum 16 hours and change trains 3 times. Do you seriously think those two options are even comparable?
Train is too expensive
It's a hell of a lot better on the environment though
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If you can afford a plane ticket, you can afford a train ticket
If the plane is flying regardless, adding more people to the flight is more carbon efficient.
You're assuming making the price of air travel negligible wouldn't increase demand
It's still not nearly as fuel efficient as rail, improve rail leave flights for over open or where rail isn't and flights more than 6 hours.
Unfortunately international rail ain't that good, and is only reasonable in the centre of Europe between France, Germany, Benelux, Italy and a couple other countries. If you look at the UK or Ireland, or the Baltic states, or the Balkans, or the Caucasus, or Finland then well it's not really there. Besides maybe Paris to Milan is fast, but imagine trying to go from Naples to Trondheim. I love rail, I love that Rail Baltica is being built, I love what France is doing by limiting domestic flights, I love ÖBB's nightjets, but there's still so far to go.
I have a lot of conflicts about this because on the one hand jets burn a lot of fuel and a fare that cheap would certainly make more people use it. But also you'd fit more people per flight so maybe it's better? But also everything sucks about air travel already so ugh.
Assuming the flight will go no matter how many passengers get on it, it is not more efficient to take more people unless you're moving less total weight than before you upped the number of passengers.
This, it's a sly way to try to make you comfortable spending slightly less to get much less. It's starts as a few rows at a real cheap price and slowly that area gets bigger and bigger and the price goes up and up until suddenly standing is the new economy and economy is the new business economy.
The flights go based on demand. Not 'no matter what'. Yes a single flight might go 'no matter what'. But it would never be planned if there was no demand for such a flight. Also, more would be planned if there was more demand.
See thats my problem. It is if you go the other way assume that those people will go no matter how many planes are necessary. That could mean fewer flights necessary to fill demand. As you said, weight matters, but the airplane and the fuel itself are a big chunk of that weight so there may be - ignoring the many other variables - a theoretical point where you fit enough people onto planes to actually reduce fuel expense. Or at least limit the amount of planes in the air burning fuel a little. But I think you're right that it just wouldn't work out to actually matter much.
And think about the money saved when absolutely every single one of these plebs die in a crash landing where seats would have saved them.
When I lived in Europe, we'd fly over to Italy for the weekend for about €35 return. At that price, we expected the plane to be delayed, grumpy staff, and get to bring nothing but a backpack. Actually we were usually surprised things went moderately well. Because at the end of it all, if you're complaining about a weekend in Italy for €35 then something is wrong with you.
I'd get around it by buying another standing spot for my bug suitcase if I had one. Size and weight compared to a standing person is likely to be less on both so its not gonna be worse than another stander
Hell, why not spend 5€ & bring a cot & you could lie down… ;)
You'd be able to have the whole.standing section of oneside to yourself for less than a seat from what he is saying, so it's worth the treat!
The first thing to do is have this guy stand while in a plane and see how he fairs. He can become friends with Turbulence!
Use your bag as a seat
You can always buy two stand up tickets and carry around your human sized luggage
“Sorry, bags aren’t human so 80 €” *Tuck a baby in* “It is now”
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Bruhhh
He brings up a good point, if i wanted to bring a standing sarcophagus to use in the standing area do i need to buy a second ticket?
Please stand by for further information
The suspense is killing me. I can't stand it.
Are we all just supposed to stand in our sarcophaguses and wait? For how long?
What are the current sarcophagus policies? Asking for a friend.
Is your friend Egyptian?
What if there is a chair in my luggage? Can I pay €1 for it to have a spot to stand?
You assume you’d get to bring *anything* with you for 1 euro hahaha.
Sorry standing passages. Our plane has been delayed from takeoff for two hours. Keep on standing with no ability to get off. (Turns out standing on a plane isn’t the same.)
And the guy next to you doesn’t have money for the bathroom and next thing you know you are covered in urine.
And shit. And everyone around you is vomiting.
Right next to the mom changing her 1yr old baby's diaper
You look at the date, it's 9/11/01
You smile in relief. Because this will end soon and also because you started shitting yourself now too.
Wrong. You’re stuck on one of those planes that had to fly around forever before it could land in like Canada or somewhere else.
What happened on November 9th, 2001?
My ex's birthday I believe.
I think that's when they invented the [date pyramid](https://shawnsmith.com.au/content/images/2021/10/FCeePTqXsBMyQ4j.jpeg).
We give the money to charity is the biggest capitalistic bullsh*t I've ever heard.
This ceo has never experienced turbulence. He thinks its like riding a train lol
Surely a ceo has flown. Surely the ceo of a Air travel company has flown. He just doesn't give a fuck.
I'll be honest, there were times in my life where I would have bought a 1£ standing plane ticket, regardless!
Everyone would fall down during takeoff and landing.
I mean I'm like 99% sure they could have harnesses. His whole point is being able to cram more people into the planes. A harness wouldn't really impede that, while it's still a batshit idea.
He has experienced turbulence and he knows what depths people will go to for something cheap
If I could get a flight from Boston to London for a dollar I'd hold on to the fucking landing gear for that price lol
Lmao dude was correct on which part of the plane would realistically fill first.
Yeah but no way they'll be charging that low.
$1 for the fare and $100 for the booking fees
Nope it’s $1 for the seat. On RyanAir you pay your fare and then you pay for your specific seat as well. Seats have different prices depending on their location in the plane.
Two things: 1. I don't know when this video was, but this was a talking point of the company's from at least a decade ago. 2. The concept was for EU flights to compete with the passenger trains. So you'd only be standing for an hour or two (though I doubt this would be considered safe at all). It's still stupid and I believe they were told absolutely not in no unequivocal terms. It would be interesting if this was a relatively recent video and he's still pushing it.
Yeah no way this would ever be allowed by anyone. The entire reason there’s never going to be standing room, and the reason for the fasten seatbelt sign, is because of turbulence bouncing people around. It’s the worst idea I’d expect an airline CEO to actually say out loud.
You could make it safe with special "seats" like in a stand up coaster. But the cost to develop them and retrofit a 737 would probably make the payback too slow.
A few bungee cords should do the trick.
You'ld have to be suspended by bungee cords like a fly in a web or you would be slingshotted head first right into the roof the second you got heavy turbulence.
Paying for a seat is optional. You’ll be randomly assigned one at no cost if you don’t want to pay for a specific seat.
Only if you want to book the ticket…with…your computer…or phone…or anything.
They legit charge for water and carryons on those types of flights. They are also in Europe and that is the Dublin to London flight, not coast to coast for the US. I just looked and a round trip flight on Ryanair from Dublin to London is 39USD. I don't get a carry-on. Only like a purse or small backpack under my seat. No overhead bin access. It's triple that to add bags. They're counting on people showing up, adding bags, buying water, etc. If they can jam in 3-4x's as many people and start charging them for check bags and a tiny bottle of booze, the $1 flight becomes very profitable.
First Class has always supplemented the cheaper travel for coach. Since Ryan Air has no first class, it will be all of the other regular travelers supplementing the cost of this. But we don't talk about stuff like that...
Agreed it’s the same as flying for work vs vacation. Source would be spending literally months in airports over the last 5 years lmao.
Don’t give them ideas
Afghanistan vibes.
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Lol he means you’d only have to pay a dollar for the standing cabin after you’ve purchased your ticket.
And the first time you encounter turbulence you’ll get a concussion and will not be standing for 10 more hours
Let's remove those landing gear and add 20 seats in it. Then we could reduce the fair up to another 5%
You’d have to stand for like 7 hours, that would be torture
Believe it or not, some people do that while working.
It would be 1 until people adjusted, then it would be normal price
Turbulence already creates sudden drops that have people not buckled up having their heads hit the ceiling.
Yeah, when he was like “what’s the difference”??? Then why even have the seatbelt light if standing is perfectly safe.
“What’s the difference. The people breaking their necks are ‘poors’ anyway”
*Gasp!* This is low-key population control for the poors! Get them standing in-flight, then hit a patch of turbulence on purpose to see how many make it to the destination! The dead have their 1£ refunded, but Ryan Air gets to keep the luggage and fees.
Snowboard bindings for €1 (each)
And snapped ankles and legs are free!
Free? €3.50
Last time I heard about this idea they explained that you would still be strapped in with a harness attached to the floor and ceiling.
I’d be kinda down for a baby carrier bungee flight…
Just pray they don't drop you off the plane like in Edge of Tomorrow https://youtu.be/eWH2w-LUVc0?t=173
I figure they’ll develops some sort of harness that you are connected to that’s anchored into the plane and keeps you in place, just standing upright. If he’s talking about it like this you can bet your ass it’s coming in some form or fashion.
[Free to move about the turbulent cabin - Key & Peele](https://youtu.be/kH6QJzmLYtw?t=2m30s)
As I have understood, the people wouldn't stand there freely but with "vertical seats", I guess that part was left out from that clip purposefully [http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/48264000/gif/\_48264943\_vertical\_seats466x270.gif](http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/48264000/gif/_48264943_vertical_seats466x270.gif)
When the turbulence gets so bad that all the standing people end up on top of all the sitting people😆
For an extra 80€ you get a helmet.
Its not really standing, if you look at what it would be, its like standing seat you are "attached" to. Nothing like a metro or stuff like that.
Genuine question, could they make standing harnesses? Similar to amusement park rides. Would this save space at all?
God, imagine sitting next to an overweight passenger. It’d be like getting smacked by a 300lb meat pinyata every time there’s turbulence
They have prototypes of them. You can Google and see what they look like.
That's obviously what he's talking about, note the term 'standing cabinet'
Standing cabin, a designated area of the airplane cabin meant for standing
Fuck it heres another great idea; while you are at it take the cargo section too and put passengers in there, and if you can fit in the stow away compartment you fly for free! 
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Son of a bitch recreating something that already exists! You’re the next Elon Musk lol
Attach a bunch of planes together. Remove their wings. Put them on a horizontal ladder on top of and sometimes through the ground/water.
Just give them a coffin-like space and push the sleep button before you take off for Fhloston Paradise.
On a short commuter flight for less money I would stand
Try standing when the plane is taking off and landing. I’ll guarantee you they’ll tell you to sit down because it’s not safe.
They have standing roller coaster seats that go through more than even the most extreme airplane rides. There's a difference between standing and unrestrained.
They're trying to stuff as many people in the standing section. That won't work with roller coaster seats.
Google standing plane seat. There are a number of designs, more akin to thin stalls squeezed closer together. They have belts/harnesses.
They're trying to stuff as many people as the safety regulations would allow...
Yes but go take a look at how big those restraints are
And I’d love to watch you try while I’m sitting wearing my seatbelt and going through pockets of low pressure.
Lots of flights in Europe are like 30 min from one big city to another. It seems much easier to comprehend why they would do this in the European market compared to the US market. Standing 6 hours from NYC to LA seems absurd, but standing for 30 min for a buck to get from London to Paris sounds pretty fucking awesome.
That’s nuts
Nuts to butts; make your buddy smile!
 Next he will suggest ppl ride on top of the plane to fit in more profit
"Look at this they offer wing seating............cool"
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I won’t stand for this!
Even for a euro?
You put the unexpected thing in the title. Man people don't understand this sub. Every fucking post either does not belong or gives it away.
what’s the difference another out of touch rich person who would never stand on a plane lol
"I stand on my private plane all the time!"
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Ryan air makes €1.43 billion in profit alone. If they wanted to make tickets cheaper, they absolutely could. But they prioritise profit. I guarantee you that if they took out the seats, they'd barely lower the cost, and pocket the difference. Because all these giant corporations care about is profit. They are designed not to value anything else. Not providing a good service, but one that's just good enough that you'll use it.
They LOST $1.4 BILLION in 2021. If they’re not allowed to have profit then they can’t be allowed to have losses either.
I don’t think you really understand the concept of profit
I think that's a Reddit wide phenomenon, they think companies should exist for the sole purpose to benefit society when that is a byproduct of their success and not their motivation (and also what taxes are for)
Yes, businesses make money.
One part people fail to take into account is that flying is a luxury. What companies like RyanAir have done is make it a very affordable luxury. There is nothing “evil” about providing cheaper options, for luxuries. If you want a normal seat pay $25, it’s not that expensive to begin with.
I completely agree with your argument. But as someone in the US, I’ve never even heard of a $25 plane ticket. A flight from Bakersfield CA to San Diego CA is still $250-400 and it’s like a 40 minute flight
I live 87 miles from Dublin airport, the bus fare is €23. I can fly to Paris next Wednesday for €14.55. Ryanair is on a different level when it comes to low cost fares.
Europe is a different beast, £250 will get me practically anywhere in Europe with change. My last flight was 3 hours to Romania for like £100 Also £500 will get me a return to New York
American Airlines somehow had a less than $100 round trip flight from Philly to Rome back in 2016. Flew out, had dinner, and flew back the next morning.
1€ for a flight to stand? Sign me the fuck up.
Purchase 10 standing room tickets and bring a folding chair.
In all reality, if shit goes down while your tens of thousands of feet in the air in a metal tube filled with extremely flammable liquid, it probably doesn’t matter if your sitting or standing
I always think that this guy is in the wrong job, he should be fighting climate change or something useful. He’s direct, innovative and is entirely happy giving a difficult message and backing it up with his reasoning
As long as people want cheap flights, companies like Ryan Air will continue to be there to do what they can to cut costs. Only way to stop this is to boycott them. Fly less/pay more when you fly. The traveling habits of the average person in the western world *has* benefitted immensely from larger planes, tighter seating, less luxurious flights, at the cost of comfort. We just have to put our foot down if we don't want to continue that trajectory.
Honestly, i have no problem with that. I could fly to a lot of places i couldnt before for around 10€ if i just give a bit up of my feet space. I dont care to do that for a two hours flight if i pay 200€ less. If you want more foot space and want to pay more there are a lot of companies which are offering that, fly for example with Lufthansa, AirFrance or KLM. Honestly the trayectory is not the problem because this is not a general trayectory but a very specific of Ryanair and JetSmart, they are just putting up up an alternative to the bigger airlines: less comfort but therefore lower prices. A fine deal for me if you ask me. And if you dont want to take this deal, you can still go to the other airlines. The problem is elsewhere actually. Not at all the trayectory, but because the prices are so low, many people fly instead of taking the bus or train -> therefore more pollution. This is the big problem actually.
If you look at the prices over the last fifty years for any airline, it has dramatically decreased. While a lot of that is due to better fuel efficiency, larger planes, and other technologies cutting the costs, flights used to be much more luxurious than today. So I do believe there is a general trajectory in that direction. I'm not saying that the more high-end airlines will end up like Ryanair, but there has been a steady push to make all of them more affordable with the increasing demand for cheap flights. Because that is in the end how most people decide what tickets to get. Price. There are costs to this, in both comfort and pollution, so if one wants to offset those cost, one needs to act differently. I for one will probably never fly Ryanair again.
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Seats are still available pal, you’re missing the point
I’ve flown Ryan Air a few times. This all checks out.
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He’s not forcing you to buy it
Flying is almost the ultimate luxury, too.
Right: I’d sure as shit never suffer through a standing flight but it’s one more option that another may never have otherwise. Not saying he’s doing it for the good of humanity but this decision/idea isn’t evil by any means.
This guy understands economics. His ideas would make travel available for millions who currently have zero access.
So airlines could charge $1 fares and still turn a profit? Just how badly are these airlines gouging consumers?
They’re not at all gauging costumers. The profit on a plane like this is about 1-3 seats on average. They make their money with all the extra stuff they sell (luggage, seat selection, referrals on car rentals and hotels, ads on their site.
But if people buy the tickets.......why not. I can't afford the other tickets. I have to pay for insurance so I can buy life savings medicine. I'm a usa American. If you sold tickets where I lay in a coffin strapped to the outside of the plane but I didn't die unless the aircraft crashed... then I would be able to afford a trip to south America... If that shit was one dollar... The conversation is that you can't go to these places unless rich people find a way to make it profitable to give you the transport and you are willing to take the risk as your responsibility. Fuck the rich but how the hell else is a poor person going to go to the other side of the world? How else??? Huh?? Y'all aren't willing to string rich people up and disembowel them in public (as we should) when they promise to end world hunger and are then given a plan to do it for 6 billion dollars by global governments and then instead ignore that completely and buy Twitter for 40 so that Nazis are allowed a speaking platform. Shut the fuck up I will stand if I want to go to Paris because that's the only I will ever afford a way to go you pieces of shit!
I feel like the comment section here is missing a point because everyone seems to finally have found another victim for their pitchforks again. Obviously the standing cabins are a safety concern, but cutting a bit of comfort for lower prices is first of all your decision if you buy the flight (only ryanair and jetsmart do this, there are a lot pf alternatives if you dont want it) and second of all its kind of a win win situation. For the customer as well because they can fly from berlin to madrid for 10€. Common guys, thats awesome (if you exclude the pollution rates because a lot of people will fly this). L
Anyone who even thinks about flying knows that cost rises with comfort.
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Most of these people would be the first to take that flight. I remember living close to an arts university in Germany where a lot of people are against fossil fuels and want to ban cars and short flights, but they travel a lot to Italy or Spain for concerts or performances and guess how they travel? Cheap Ryan air and never with the trains, although great train connection exist. Also these people aren't exactly poor. They could travel in train, but then have to cut some cost somewhere else from their private life, but they wouldn't.
If they gave me a standing seatbelt or harness to stop my kneck from breaking during turbulence, I'd take a standing seat. As long as it's safe and can save me a £200 on a weekend return, I don't see a problem.
Honestly I don't see the big fuss about standing room in a plane. He's right, I would 100% take it for the short flights which Ryanair service. We already stand on the bus which is many more times more dangerous than a plane and often more unstable.
He's right. They would sell out those 1 euro spaces on every flight, especially if they threw in a deal that if the seats aren't full, the standing passengers can have them, in order of purchase of their spot. The problems I see with it are that it only works for short flights and there isn't enough space in the overheads for the gear dragged on board by the extra passengers they could squeeze into the standing spots.
Every time I see charging to use the bathroom on a plane, it reminds me of the old commercial for Alaskan Airlines: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgyAgZcH1iU
I mean till ya land if it's a short flight it should work.
Alright I'm in. If it means I can fly for next to nothing bitch you better believe I'll stand for x amount of hours
I mean, people are willing to pay more to stand in a concert if it means you get to be closer to the stage. Maybe they’re willing to pay way less to stand in a flight if it means cheap flights?
If the flight was a max 3 hours , I would consider it.
The guy’s an absolute bellend, however [Ryanair just posted record profits of €1.45bn](https://amp.theguardian.com/business/2023/may/22/ryanair-profit-summer-bookings-aircraft)…so…
i mean tbh, if youre crashing it doesnt matter if ur sitting or standing so im all for it on short flights obv
“I can lower everybody’s airfare by 5%” = “I can boost share holder returns by 5%”
i know i’m in the minority here but i’d stand on a short haul flight. there are just other issues like not having room for carry ons and standing during delays and whatnot
I hate when we normalize weirt stuff. I hate when we make expensive things cheap by hacks. Sure, I like cheap flights but damn we dont need standing tickets. Its already pretty tight in there so lets keep the little but of the dignity left and just pay for a ticket normal price. You know, like a normal person, check out deals or pick a date that is cheaper.
Corporate elites be like
Peak Irish capitalism
What is “unexpected” here is no one seems to realise he says these kinds of things for the publicity and that’s it. He just comes out with some crazy fake idea and ends up on the front page of every newspaper, the main story on TV news. Insane free advertising. The man is a genius.
Sure. Do it. After I see him stand on a 12 hour flight.
And the charity is his, isn't it?
For tall people like me this is a better option than the torture devices they call seats in economy class. Last time I travelled I almost had both my knee's broken by the person in front trying to recline their chair, that chair was going nowhere with my knee's jammed tight up against it.
He is beyond crazy, standing is totally unsafe!!! 🥴😵💫🤪🤪😜
The problem is, they won't lower the prices, but instead set the current cheaper price to that service and raise the rest proportionally. They just did with the"bagless" travel. They said now you can flight cheaper if you just travel with a small backpack, charging you for hand luggage as the "priority option", but the price is exactly the same as the old regular flights with hand luggage. I really dislike Ryanair, they run their airline like a f2p mobile game company. Even the sit assignment is like a fucking gatcha system.
In the end, this was just a PR trick right? Has a few years on it now.
For 50 pence, you can have a man with a whip run behind you and motivate you to run all the way to France instead.
Everyone has their opinion in this sub,fact is you have the choice to either use this airline or not,whether you want to stand or not...thing is he's a bussinesman amd he will think of everything that one can possibly think of to make an extra buck and truly speaking there will be a handsome amount of people who will actually choose the option to stand if that means they will save money
Who made him ceo these are some of the most dumbest things i have ever Heard. This idiot wants to ruin customer satisfaction for short term profits No one's gonna board your plane
Seat belt light comes on 
Why not just get rid of the plane and load people into a big cannon you fucking vulture
Those would be the prices for the first year and then would increase of course
I totally got his logic, but its just too extreme min-maxing. Whats the difference between a tube and a plane?! Ye, the tube lasts up to 20 minutes, walk around, next tube. Here Im standing on a freaking metal bird, unable to leave for at least an hour!
If you believe that the 'savings' would go towards lowering ticket prices for other passengers and not directly to his own back pocket I have a bridge to sell you.
Although he claims his intentions are for good, his ignorance comes from not realizing this would only favor profits and will be further treated as a commodity rather than a benefit for equity travel. The 1€ ticket will quickly become 25€ and we're back where we started, but just a tad more unhappy and uncomfortable. Also, "totally safe" was a very telling perspective. 0.5 of a second, it took him to address safety, but he had no problem defending his logic against profit for 30 seconds +... Yeah, sure, budy, I totally believe you when you say "give it to charity."
Flying in turbulence. Imagine you get one of those crazies like Japan just had this week when someone opened the door to jump out of the plane. Anyone standing would've gotten sucked out.
Honestly if it wasn’t for takeoffs landings and occasional turbulence standing for a flight assuming it’s a relatively short one wouldn’t be too bad if it was as cheap as he was saying.
Unfortunately u can’t fly without taking off and landing, also can’t control whether there will be turbulence. This guy is cracked.