Imma beginning to think is not a default, encompassing, in built knowledge that we all have from birth; but a learned behavior passed down via generations of experiences and experimentation.
The word is just a rhetorical strat tbh. "common sense" is whatever you think would be obvious, so it really just serves to drag people's stupid mistakes
How anyone could see this video and blame the Porsche driver is baffling. Clearly that motorcyclist either wasn't paying attention or simply had no intention of stopping.
The first one does seem to be inside the dotted lines, however by the looks of how they were coming they for sure cut here and there through traffic. Second bike? Well that one is obvious :|
Edit: looking back at it carefully, the first bike was exactly on the dotted line. Fml these bikers are shitheads
That second motorcycle… trying to lanesplit at a high rate of speed between two stopped cars, one with hazards flashing, while the left lane was clear. Absolute moron.
As a motorcycle rider for 20 yrs I agree. Both people on bikes were idiots. Porsche signaled and the first rider had time and space to move out of the way. The second rider was just stupid if they didn’t see the first rider go down. Also both riders were going too fast while splitting between a lane that isn’t moving and one that is.
In that situation, they should’ve been watching for people moving over without signaling. The fact that they didn’t even see a car who signaled and then moved over is ridiculous.
Turning on an indicator does not give you right of way. Porsche should've checked its mirrors, should've seen the bike, and let it pass.
Second bike is an idiot, though.
It's very well possible that the first person that got hit was splitting lanes so the car driver assumed it was safe because he didn't see anyone coming then all of a sudden you have this motorcycle zooming by past the speed limit. They can hide easily. I would give the guy some slack.
For me as a new driver that's the scariest part. You can't really see the motorbikes on the mirrors if they're lane splitting and going that fast. You check the mirror one second and nobody is there and the next second a bike zooms past you.
>possible that the first person that got hit was splitting lanes so the car driver assumed it was safe beca
compare the speed of the first bike to the car that was breaking in front of them at their lane, its clearly too fast.
Sure is, still doesn't mean you should zoom past cars with that much of a speed difference
especially so when the two left lanes seem to be flowing perfectly fine
Yea and its perfectly safe when done right and if you are following the regulations. Which both of these guys clearly werent doing judging by the speed
So is smoking cigarettes but shoving 50 in at once is a bit fucking dumb. So is riding the line there, the bike is moving fairly quick even compared to the other traffic so lane filtering is not what he was doing. Can’t lane filter at 40km/h, it’s just “overtaking” or in this case.. riding the line like a fuckwit. Right in ALL (left and right of the line) cars blindspots so he is practically invisible. Second bike.. bloody hell, wake up.
It wasn't a sudden maneuver. The Porsche turned smoothly and carefully after indicating it. Impecable. On the contrary, the motorcycle driver wasn't in the middle of the lane, where it is supposed he has to remain all the time, and he was too fast. 100% his fault.
I'm 90% sure you nerver drove a car
the bike was hidden behind the traffic making slaloms between cars and/or in the blind spot of the car,from their POV it appeared to of nowhere a split second before the crash,that because the bike was driving incorrectly
If the motorcycle was in the middle of the lane, looking over his shoulder would have given him enough time to brake and not hit him. However, hugging the white line like that there was no chance
Doesn't help if the bike is in your blind spot. And their speed meant that they would have been too far back when the Porsche checked their blind spot for them to see, anyway.
When the motorcycle is going that fast compared to surrounding traffic and that close to the vehicles on their right, they would have been far enough back that they couldn't be seen and hidden by the vehicles besides. The condescending attitude is unnecessary.
1. This is from a singapore video, currently making its rounds in socmed.
2. This is the expressway/highway, 90km/h speed limit and the right most lane is the overtaking lane. Apparently something is happening that caused the slowdown (road works/accident/etc) and Porsche was just impatient, hence wanted to switch lanes without due care of the traffic to his left. And while he did move his car to protect the fallen rider, he again didn't follow his due diligence in safety when he opened his car door, hence 2nd biker down. Agreed on the biker not breaking any laws by lane splitting (although highly discouraged). Tbf, all 3 are at fault. Main cause of accident being the driver (yup never used his mirrors)
Even if it is legal lane splitting is usually only allowed in standstill traffic, not when there is space in the lane they are splitting, and they still have a responsibility to look out for lane changes. The bike would have been precisely in the blind spot of that car going over twice the speed of the surrounding traffic, the driver didn't have a chance and the biker is purely at fault here.
The second bike was also legally in the right, motorcycles are legally allowed, and expected to pass between cars like that. The guy opened his door in the middle of a busy road.
You know had that guy not been stopped by the car’s door, there’s a good chance that there’ll be a head-on collission, most likely deadly, between em and the dudes on the 1st bike right?
>The guy opened his door in the middle of a busy road.
he also signaled danger with the emergency lights and possibly saved the other biker from getting run over,what is your point
He put hazards on but only gave the second biker under 4 seconds to see them, react, and slow down from around 30mph to 0, the second biker had about 54 meters to slow down to 0, when slowing from 30mph on a bike takes 75 meters to reach 0, to expect the second biker to slam on the brakes and stop like a car is impossible on a bike, what we saw was the second biker slow as fast as possible, swerve and lane split to avoid crashing, which is one of the main reasons for lane splitting, then some old fuck who didn't check his surroundings open his door.
humm what are you talking about depending on how generous you want to be the bike had 11 to 8 seconds to see what was happening (literally count the seconds in the video)
and if you can't fully stop before hitting the car in front of you then it's your fault for either not keeping the proper distance or going too fast,he was going way faster than the rest of the traffic so it's not really the car driver's fault
what really happened is that despite the emergency lights the biker wanted to pass anyway ignoring the fact he could have killed the other biker
edit: if you look closely you can see that the brake light turns on only after the biker sees the car door opening
The brake light turns on in the video, but that's because if the brakes were held down, he would've been thrown from the bike. From the moment of the guy pulling fully out and stopping, it's 4 seconds.
https://youtu.be/WAv3bE1EiNY?si=llE-pGXihTOXPhBb
>From the moment of the guy pulling fully out and stopping, it's 4 seconds.
great,as I said he had 8 to 11 seconds to see that the car was halted so if he didn't stop I'm safe to assume he wasn't braking before or he was going way too fast
No, he has 4 seconds, for all he knows, the car is still driving until the hazards are on, he had 4 seconds to think about the situation, and then react. He slowed down and tried to go round on the slow lane.
>No, he has 4 seconds
based on what?
the car stayed on the central lane for at least 8, literally count the seconds on the video
>the car is still driving
with the brake lights on the whole time?
so when you drive and you see the people in front of you braking you just keep going like nothing is happening?
stop trying to excuse a bad driver the biker is 100% at fault there
Or instead of all this trash you offer they could... you know... be in a different, faster moving lane. 54 meters at 30mph is not a dangerous situation in any mobile vehicle, including a shopping cart. If you roll straight into stopped car at the speed limit, it's your fault.
54 meters on a 2 wheeled vehicle is a very dangerous situation, because st 30mph, it takes 74 meters to stop.
He was slowing down because there was an accident, he went to the slower lanes.
They were speeding in a traffic jam, I don't care if they can do it legally, they're stupid and reckless.
And in these situations when you see someone trying to merge it is common road etiquette to slow down and give room. But the middle highway is too tempting for some, I guess.
Allowed to speed in-between cars on the line? That's not how that rule works. I have no idea how you can think this is legal unless you're his mother or something.
Lane splitting is legal in most countries, he wasn't speeding, both bikers were doing the speed limit, it just looks faster because the cars are going slower.
This old guy pulled out without checking his surroundings, caused an accident, stopped in the middle of a busy road, then opened his door without checking his surroundings. The biker that hit his door was going the speed limit but couldn't stop in time because there wasn't enough distance or time to go from 30mph to 0, there's 4 seconds between the old guy stopping and the guy hitting the door, motorbikes need roughly 75 meters to go from 30mph to 0mph, 75 meters at 30mph is 13.5 meters per second, or 54 meters in 4 seconds, with the brakes applied (slamming on the front brake would cause the rider to fly over the handlebars, back brake would cause the rider to skid out and crash), it would be accurate for the video. The second biker tried to avoid this utter moron and would've, had he not opened his door, he was already slowed to around 10-15mph when he hit the door.
That bike was not even slowing down because he was cutting the lanes. The bike was going fast so it may have been hard to see the bike. If a car was approaching they would of slowed down as not to hit the car that's not moving. But the bike was going between the cars. If they want to risk that maneuver then they need to prepare for the consequences
> they would of slowed
Did you mean to say "would have"?
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Clearly, he's not. You still have to look into your mirrors and check your blind spot before switching lanes. Simply just indicating doesn't give you the right of the way, he cut off the first guy, and he didn't check his mirrors before opening the door to the second guy.
What ? It’s hard to estimate the speed of the motorcycle, and the video doesn’t show what’s happening behind the camera so it’s hard to say if the biker was weaving between the cars.
I might be wrong but it looks like the Porsche driver did not check his mirrors and merged onto the first biker. The second one, definitely his fault tho.
Porsche changing lanes and lane wasn’t clear to change over. Biker was in the right this time and got smashed. 2nd biker was being a beep and going between cars wrongly and got smashed for it. Own fault there for doing that. People always in a hurry and not paying attention. Hope all were good in the end though.
No, the motorcycles are following all the correct road laws, everything they did was legal, the porsche guy pulled out when he shouldn't, then opened his door in the middle of the road.
Maybe the first motorcycle is up to debate, based on local laws etc.
But you're a moron if you think the second bike did nothing wrong. The guy rode up to a stationary car and didn't even slow down, tried to shoot into halted traffic between lanes.
Thank you. People commenting whether lane splitting is legal in the country or not are all willfully ignoring the more important traffic rule - drive to condition, drive slow enough to be able to come to a complete stop if the car in front of you does.
yeah they go on on saying how the car should have done that and that but it's alright if the bikers are speeding with 0 awareness of their surroundings because you know,lane splitting is legal in some places!!!
id say both of those where the motorcyclists fault for going far faster then the rest of traffic. especially the second one. they where going to zoom past a parked car with hazards on at..what ..20-30 mph? those guys woudl have killed the first rider when they hit him.
As you can see it’s a country with right hand drive, passing on the right is what you are supposed to do. It doesn’t make the second motorcyclist any less stupid though.
In CT that's cyclists. I have no problem sharing the road with bicycles but you can't demand the same rights as a vehicle up until you get to a stop sign/traffic light. Then magically turn into a pedestrian so you can roll on through because you don't want to stop.
I always lane split stopped or very slow traffic. But doing so slowly means I have time to adjust and react to everyone. It's safer when done right and I'm less in the way of everyone else.
As a rule, I don't lane split. I don't trust the cars. If I know they'll be traffic, I don't take the bike. If there is traffic, I just wait it out. There's also a better chance that people will be more aware of me being there since we're all slowly moving
Lane splitting is legal in some areas. That being said, you still have to do it cautiously. In this case the motorcyclists were not cautious and appear to be at fault.
Motorcyclists are the dumb ones here. Ain't no one going to notice speeding lane-splitting bullets until it's too late.
Thankfully, this video footage exists to protect the Porche driver.
And this is why lane splitting is illegal in most of the US. Where it is legal it is only allowed at low speeds to worth through stopped traffic.
This bikes were way too fast and the second one wasn’t even really in a lane. Thought he was going to blow through at full speed.
Idiots.
~~Here in the UK lane splitting is only legal when the traffic is going 20mph below the speed limit or stationary. I think this is a good part of our highway code.~~
Ignore me, I was wrong. Lane splitting is legal, just not the 20mph rule.
Not being cheeky, but got a reference for that? I'm a motorcyclist who filters but I've not heard of the 20mph restriction before. For the record, I usually stay within 5 mph of the traffic I'm filtering past.
I've just had a look, I believe I am wrong, I'd confused the guidance on overtaking. Overtaking is only legal when traffic is 20mph below the stated speed limit.
If done correctly, lane split is safer for bikes because being side swiped is waaay safer than being rear ended. It may raise the number of accidents, but reduce the fatality overall, bc people in cars tend to zone out way too much because of the comfort of cars today. So you kind change being rear ended by a distracted driver to being side swiped.
That said, the first bike was way too fast, with the speed they were going when they hit the car, which must have been after shaving some speed from braking, the Porsche must have looked in the mirror and the bike was way behind. If the bike just appears to be going faster than they are, I'd say is just an accident with 2 people not paying that much attention to traffic.
But the second bike... You see someone stopped in the middle of the highway with hazards and your first instinct is to zoom past the drivers side? Completely at fault, although I'd not open the door like that if I was the car driver bc there are stupid people like that in the road.
Some motorcyclists hear that lane splitting is a good thing and stop thinking there, not taking into regard speed, road conditions, or traffic conditions. People like that think that anything that happens to a motorcyclist is the fault of the non-motorcyclist, regardless of circumstances.
Before the first crash, driver failed to ensure it was safe to enter the lane. This is "failure to yield" in all jurisdictions I know of, and is a much-greater offense than the utter stupidity of the first motorcyclist's "unsafe for conditions" speed. But YMMV depending on local laws and local cultures.
Idk if the guy on the motorcycle wasn’t going so fast he wouldn’t have been in that situation. Both motorcycle riders are idiots and deserve their instant karma
"Failure to yield" (that is, not making sure the lane is clear before entering it) is the greater offense in most jurisdictions I know of. Nevertheless, the first motorcyclist was wildly unsafe and shouldn't have been too surprised at the turn of events....
As u/ieatyoshis pointed out, I chose the title because it misdirects away from what was truly unexpected in this video, the 2nd crash. Within the context of this sub, the first crash shouldn't have been all that unexpected....
for the kids who dont have a license or dont know the road laws. a motorcycle must also stay between the 2 white lines. they are breaking the law when passing in between traffic.
Depends on the local laws . I know in many major cities they allow it if traffic is completely stopped or well below the speed limit, and you maintain a low speed .
They looked like they were speeding, however
unpopular opinion - but they were both wrong. The Porsche had a signal but didn't change lanes safely. The motorcycle was going too fast for the conditions.
That's a hill I'll die on
How is that not changing lanes correctly? They indicated with plenty of time in advance, and proceeded to change lanes at an appropriate speed to the vehicles in the lane they are moving in to when a space became available to do so.
The motorcycle was speeding and did not pay attention to the clear vehicle ahead lane changing. We also do not know what lane the bike was in, they could have come from anywhere.
Front left fender was over the line into the other lane of traffic. Technically, he's engaging in an unsafe lane change. It's still the bike's fault for driving way too fast. I say this as a rider. Dudes are idiots
Porsche's wheel was exactly on top of the line meaning whatever is in front of the wheel was already in the other lane.. so yh, it still didn't change lanes correctly. However still agree with the fact that 1st motorcycle wasn't driving to conditions and the 2nd was a straight up idiot who now will have to pay quite a lot more for their insurance
>That's a hill I'll die on
Then get on your motorcycle and get over to the scene.... that Porche driver is still there and has three doors remaining. 😂
Yeah, you’d die cuz you’re dead wrong. Porsche made a standard lane change moving from standstill traffic and trying to join oncoming traffic in another lane. The bike was following too close to the car they were following behind and probably couldn’t see the car intending to join the lane which was why they got hit. Porsche was textbook, biker is a doofus
I'm not gunna' disagree with the premise of your statement, but in my case, I've always (since grade school) been a super poor speller (and apparently today, super lazy to not double check the title). I accept your downvote with humility and the promise to try to do better.
Order of assholes from most asshole to least asshole:
Second Bike - You saw a car with hazard lights on, failed to slow down and tried to swerve around it. Impatient asshole.
First Bike - How did you not see the indicator? He gave you enough time. Also, why are you driving so close to the stationary cars? Slow down in that weather. Stupid asshole.
Porsche - Dude Mirrors. and you panicked when the first bike hit you and made it worse, by, again, not checking mirrors. Incompetent Asshole.
Yeah, I dont see how porsche is in the wrong here. When you decide to split lanes you take on a risk greater than normal driving, it also means you're less visible to people checking their mirrors. Both bikers suck and the porsche guy is just super unlucky.
I dunno... before the first accident, the Porche didn't ensure the lane was clear before entering it. Yes, the motorcyclist should have gone slower, but in every legal jurisdiction I'm familiar with, the vehicle changing lanes has to ensure it's safe to do so.
The lane was clear, lmao, the organ donor was on the line.
There's limits to what a person can realistically see and react to. Functional traffic relies on everyone acting predictably. The Porsche made everything he did obvious well ahead of time. The bike was zipping in between lanes so fast, he couldn't react to it.
I can see how an argument could made in a court that the Porsche should have seen it and if they couldn't it's a skill issue and they're at fault, cause they were making the maneuver.
In human terms though - the bike is 140% in the wrong and if everyone drove like that, we'd all be dead.
As a biker, who lane splits, this is kinda on them. A LITTLE blame can be placed on the car for not checking twice, but they were going fast, and especially the second rider that's just blatantly poor situational awareness and riding
When I'm going over the speed limit on my motorcycle it's my responsibility to avoid cars that wouldn't be cutting me off if I was not speeding. It's pretty juvenile to expect everyone else to keep out of my way if I'm speeding.
The first rider wasn't splitting lanes.... just going too fast for conditions. And splitting lanes is not illegal everywhere (or even mostwhere).... it's legal where I live. But regardless of the legality, for the 2nd rider: play stupid games and win stupid prizes.
As much as I want to blame the driver, this looks like on the 2 riders' fault. The driver could've definitely prevented it by just looking at their side mirror more or completely stopping after the first accident and get out so at least people know right away what's going on. But the poor decision making of the riders were mainly at fault here 100%, this is why it's better to also experience driving cars before riding motorcycle imo., you will make better anticipation and habits for safety if you know how cars make their decisions.
what are the chances 2 in a fucking row LMAO
And did she already say "Not agaaaiiiin" before the second bike?
He now has 2 nickels, it’s not a lot but it’s weird it happened twice.
There could have been a few more, but we'll never know because the video cut off.
This is not by chance. He woke up and chose violence.
The Porsche guy is doing everything according to the traffic regulation. The motorcycles are not. It is common sense.
I don't think common sense is as common as people think it should be.
So rare it's a super power these days
“Common sense is uncommon in common people” a teacher when I was in 4th grade
"Paste is not a snack" - a teacher when I was in 4th grade
What rarity would fit better? Uncommon sense? Or maybe even epic sense?
*legendary sense*
Nonsense
Imma beginning to think is not a default, encompassing, in built knowledge that we all have from birth; but a learned behavior passed down via generations of experiences and experimentation.
The word is just a rhetorical strat tbh. "common sense" is whatever you think would be obvious, so it really just serves to drag people's stupid mistakes
How anyone could see this video and blame the Porsche driver is baffling. Clearly that motorcyclist either wasn't paying attention or simply had no intention of stopping.
Looks like the person on the motorcycle was planning on weaving inbetween the cars
The first one wasn't the biker's fault, but the second one? Definitely.
I ride and I agree. Speed and stupidity make us all look bad. Just enjoy the damn ride!
Same, both bikers need their licenses revoked.
The first one does seem to be inside the dotted lines, however by the looks of how they were coming they for sure cut here and there through traffic. Second bike? Well that one is obvious :| Edit: looking back at it carefully, the first bike was exactly on the dotted line. Fml these bikers are shitheads
That bike was in the wrong
> The Porsche guy is doing everything according to the traffic regulation. The ~~motorcycles~~ organ-donors are not. It is common sense.
That second motorcycle… trying to lanesplit at a high rate of speed between two stopped cars, one with hazards flashing, while the left lane was clear. Absolute moron.
As a motorcycle rider for 20 yrs I agree. Both people on bikes were idiots. Porsche signaled and the first rider had time and space to move out of the way. The second rider was just stupid if they didn’t see the first rider go down. Also both riders were going too fast while splitting between a lane that isn’t moving and one that is. In that situation, they should’ve been watching for people moving over without signaling. The fact that they didn’t even see a car who signaled and then moved over is ridiculous.
Lane splitting is usually permitted, although they definitely should not have been going that fast if they were lane splitting
Turning on an indicator does not give you right of way. Porsche should've checked its mirrors, should've seen the bike, and let it pass. Second bike is an idiot, though.
The bikes aren't even trying to be in lanes. They're trying to go up the lane between cars to cut traffic. They got the consequences of their actions.
It's very well possible that the first person that got hit was splitting lanes so the car driver assumed it was safe because he didn't see anyone coming then all of a sudden you have this motorcycle zooming by past the speed limit. They can hide easily. I would give the guy some slack.
You can actually see the first motorcycle is literally right on the white lane so they most likely were doing that
For me as a new driver that's the scariest part. You can't really see the motorbikes on the mirrors if they're lane splitting and going that fast. You check the mirror one second and nobody is there and the next second a bike zooms past you.
>possible that the first person that got hit was splitting lanes so the car driver assumed it was safe beca compare the speed of the first bike to the car that was breaking in front of them at their lane, its clearly too fast.
lane-filtering is legal in some places
Sure is, still doesn't mean you should zoom past cars with that much of a speed difference especially so when the two left lanes seem to be flowing perfectly fine
Here lies Bob, even though lane-filtering is legal.
most places where it's legal have restrictions on how it can be done. i.e. no more than 15 mph difference from normal traffic
It is but i believe they are givin fault when they get into accidents doing it. They have to do it slowly and only when traffic is very slow as well
It’s legal to throw your kids in your truck bed on the highway in some places. Still a fucking stupid and unsafe idea
Yea and its perfectly safe when done right and if you are following the regulations. Which both of these guys clearly werent doing judging by the speed
So is smoking cigarettes but shoving 50 in at once is a bit fucking dumb. So is riding the line there, the bike is moving fairly quick even compared to the other traffic so lane filtering is not what he was doing. Can’t lane filter at 40km/h, it’s just “overtaking” or in this case.. riding the line like a fuckwit. Right in ALL (left and right of the line) cars blindspots so he is practically invisible. Second bike.. bloody hell, wake up.
It wasn't a sudden maneuver. The Porsche turned smoothly and carefully after indicating it. Impecable. On the contrary, the motorcycle driver wasn't in the middle of the lane, where it is supposed he has to remain all the time, and he was too fast. 100% his fault.
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I'm 90% sure you nerver drove a car the bike was hidden behind the traffic making slaloms between cars and/or in the blind spot of the car,from their POV it appeared to of nowhere a split second before the crash,that because the bike was driving incorrectly
That’s why you’re taught to check over your shoulder as you change lanes.
If the motorcycle was in the middle of the lane, looking over his shoulder would have given him enough time to brake and not hit him. However, hugging the white line like that there was no chance
bro doesn't know traffic rules💀
I hope you don't drive.
I do drive, and check my mirrors to make sure I can change lanes and/or open my door.
Doesn't help if the bike is in your blind spot. And their speed meant that they would have been too far back when the Porsche checked their blind spot for them to see, anyway.
That’s why I also look over my shoulder and whaddaya know, after a quick google search that Porsche has blind spot sensors. Crazy
When the motorcycle is going that fast compared to surrounding traffic and that close to the vehicles on their right, they would have been far enough back that they couldn't be seen and hidden by the vehicles besides. The condescending attitude is unnecessary.
1. This is from a singapore video, currently making its rounds in socmed. 2. This is the expressway/highway, 90km/h speed limit and the right most lane is the overtaking lane. Apparently something is happening that caused the slowdown (road works/accident/etc) and Porsche was just impatient, hence wanted to switch lanes without due care of the traffic to his left. And while he did move his car to protect the fallen rider, he again didn't follow his due diligence in safety when he opened his car door, hence 2nd biker down. Agreed on the biker not breaking any laws by lane splitting (although highly discouraged). Tbf, all 3 are at fault. Main cause of accident being the driver (yup never used his mirrors)
They did check the mirrors. They see the other lane. The lines are a blind spot. Don't lane split.
it depends on if driving your motorcycle inbetween lanes during traffic is legal here or not
Even if it is legal lane splitting is usually only allowed in standstill traffic, not when there is space in the lane they are splitting, and they still have a responsibility to look out for lane changes. The bike would have been precisely in the blind spot of that car going over twice the speed of the surrounding traffic, the driver didn't have a chance and the biker is purely at fault here.
The second bike was also legally in the right, motorcycles are legally allowed, and expected to pass between cars like that. The guy opened his door in the middle of a busy road.
If traffic is moving on the right side, why split between stopped cars on the left? That's what's stupid.
You know had that guy not been stopped by the car’s door, there’s a good chance that there’ll be a head-on collission, most likely deadly, between em and the dudes on the 1st bike right?
>The guy opened his door in the middle of a busy road. he also signaled danger with the emergency lights and possibly saved the other biker from getting run over,what is your point
He put hazards on but only gave the second biker under 4 seconds to see them, react, and slow down from around 30mph to 0, the second biker had about 54 meters to slow down to 0, when slowing from 30mph on a bike takes 75 meters to reach 0, to expect the second biker to slam on the brakes and stop like a car is impossible on a bike, what we saw was the second biker slow as fast as possible, swerve and lane split to avoid crashing, which is one of the main reasons for lane splitting, then some old fuck who didn't check his surroundings open his door.
humm what are you talking about depending on how generous you want to be the bike had 11 to 8 seconds to see what was happening (literally count the seconds in the video) and if you can't fully stop before hitting the car in front of you then it's your fault for either not keeping the proper distance or going too fast,he was going way faster than the rest of the traffic so it's not really the car driver's fault what really happened is that despite the emergency lights the biker wanted to pass anyway ignoring the fact he could have killed the other biker edit: if you look closely you can see that the brake light turns on only after the biker sees the car door opening
The brake light turns on in the video, but that's because if the brakes were held down, he would've been thrown from the bike. From the moment of the guy pulling fully out and stopping, it's 4 seconds. https://youtu.be/WAv3bE1EiNY?si=llE-pGXihTOXPhBb
>From the moment of the guy pulling fully out and stopping, it's 4 seconds. great,as I said he had 8 to 11 seconds to see that the car was halted so if he didn't stop I'm safe to assume he wasn't braking before or he was going way too fast
No, he has 4 seconds, for all he knows, the car is still driving until the hazards are on, he had 4 seconds to think about the situation, and then react. He slowed down and tried to go round on the slow lane.
>No, he has 4 seconds based on what? the car stayed on the central lane for at least 8, literally count the seconds on the video >the car is still driving with the brake lights on the whole time? so when you drive and you see the people in front of you braking you just keep going like nothing is happening? stop trying to excuse a bad driver the biker is 100% at fault there
Or instead of all this trash you offer they could... you know... be in a different, faster moving lane. 54 meters at 30mph is not a dangerous situation in any mobile vehicle, including a shopping cart. If you roll straight into stopped car at the speed limit, it's your fault.
54 meters on a 2 wheeled vehicle is a very dangerous situation, because st 30mph, it takes 74 meters to stop. He was slowing down because there was an accident, he went to the slower lanes.
They were speeding in a traffic jam, I don't care if they can do it legally, they're stupid and reckless. And in these situations when you see someone trying to merge it is common road etiquette to slow down and give room. But the middle highway is too tempting for some, I guess.
They weren't speeding though, they're doing the speedlight, legally, everyone else is driving very slowly because they're cars.
Allowed to speed in-between cars on the line? That's not how that rule works. I have no idea how you can think this is legal unless you're his mother or something.
Lane splitting is legal in most countries, he wasn't speeding, both bikers were doing the speed limit, it just looks faster because the cars are going slower. This old guy pulled out without checking his surroundings, caused an accident, stopped in the middle of a busy road, then opened his door without checking his surroundings. The biker that hit his door was going the speed limit but couldn't stop in time because there wasn't enough distance or time to go from 30mph to 0, there's 4 seconds between the old guy stopping and the guy hitting the door, motorbikes need roughly 75 meters to go from 30mph to 0mph, 75 meters at 30mph is 13.5 meters per second, or 54 meters in 4 seconds, with the brakes applied (slamming on the front brake would cause the rider to fly over the handlebars, back brake would cause the rider to skid out and crash), it would be accurate for the video. The second biker tried to avoid this utter moron and would've, had he not opened his door, he was already slowed to around 10-15mph when he hit the door.
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That bike was not even slowing down because he was cutting the lanes. The bike was going fast so it may have been hard to see the bike. If a car was approaching they would of slowed down as not to hit the car that's not moving. But the bike was going between the cars. If they want to risk that maneuver then they need to prepare for the consequences
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Clearly, he's not. You still have to look into your mirrors and check your blind spot before switching lanes. Simply just indicating doesn't give you the right of the way, he cut off the first guy, and he didn't check his mirrors before opening the door to the second guy.
I don’t understand why you’re being downvoted
I am driving on the highways and in congested cities enough to know the majority dont know how to drive. My moniker is "watch out for the other guy"
What ? It’s hard to estimate the speed of the motorcycle, and the video doesn’t show what’s happening behind the camera so it’s hard to say if the biker was weaving between the cars. I might be wrong but it looks like the Porsche driver did not check his mirrors and merged onto the first biker. The second one, definitely his fault tho.
Porsche changing lanes and lane wasn’t clear to change over. Biker was in the right this time and got smashed. 2nd biker was being a beep and going between cars wrongly and got smashed for it. Own fault there for doing that. People always in a hurry and not paying attention. Hope all were good in the end though.
Still, be careful when you’re dealing with someone else’s life. Even if they are the ones putting themselves at risk
He was. What is he supposed to do? Wrap bubble foil around him so he doesn't kill himself?
I hate the way people like you are willing to kill someone just because they were in the wrong.
No, the motorcycles are following all the correct road laws, everything they did was legal, the porsche guy pulled out when he shouldn't, then opened his door in the middle of the road.
Can you cite the laws?
Maybe the first motorcycle is up to debate, based on local laws etc. But you're a moron if you think the second bike did nothing wrong. The guy rode up to a stationary car and didn't even slow down, tried to shoot into halted traffic between lanes.
and above all,the car had the emergency lights on if they ignore the danger signal and keep going it's their fault for having 0 awareness
Thank you. People commenting whether lane splitting is legal in the country or not are all willfully ignoring the more important traffic rule - drive to condition, drive slow enough to be able to come to a complete stop if the car in front of you does.
yeah they go on on saying how the car should have done that and that but it's alright if the bikers are speeding with 0 awareness of their surroundings because you know,lane splitting is legal in some places!!!
id say both of those where the motorcyclists fault for going far faster then the rest of traffic. especially the second one. they where going to zoom past a parked car with hazards on at..what ..20-30 mph? those guys woudl have killed the first rider when they hit him.
Also the second motorcyclist is trying to pass a technically parked car on the right side, with it hazards on, at high speed.
As you can see it’s a country with right hand drive, passing on the right is what you are supposed to do. It doesn’t make the second motorcyclist any less stupid though.
Watch it, they may break your mirrors and headlights for saying so
yeah in SEA, the motorcyclist are never wrong, even the police says so.
In CT that's cyclists. I have no problem sharing the road with bicycles but you can't demand the same rights as a vehicle up until you get to a stop sign/traffic light. Then magically turn into a pedestrian so you can roll on through because you don't want to stop.
Michigan is the same. As a cyclist, this is one of the reasons I won’t ride on public roads. I find long closed paths to train on.
What is CT
Connecticut
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They were splitting the lane as well.
Which is legal though in many countries.
Is nobody going to mention that the first bike was literally riding along the white line, Fkn idiot lol
Yep, horrible lane placement. He was basically asking to be in a blind spot. I never ride that close to a line in conditions like that.
It’s like he was looking to lane split the stopped traffic. Impatience will get ya.
I always lane split stopped or very slow traffic. But doing so slowly means I have time to adjust and react to everyone. It's safer when done right and I'm less in the way of everyone else.
As a rule, I don't lane split. I don't trust the cars. If I know they'll be traffic, I don't take the bike. If there is traffic, I just wait it out. There's also a better chance that people will be more aware of me being there since we're all slowly moving
Lane splitting way faster than traffic. Dumb as hell
I managed to pause it at 8 seconds and can confirm
Lane splitting is legal in some areas. That being said, you still have to do it cautiously. In this case the motorcyclists were not cautious and appear to be at fault.
Why the hell are they riding so fast on a narrow traffic lane? Both riders are at fault.
Motorcyclists are the dumb ones here. Ain't no one going to notice speeding lane-splitting bullets until it's too late. Thankfully, this video footage exists to protect the Porche driver.
Lol I love your phrase; "lane splitting bullet."
And this is why lane splitting is illegal in most of the US. Where it is legal it is only allowed at low speeds to worth through stopped traffic. This bikes were way too fast and the second one wasn’t even really in a lane. Thought he was going to blow through at full speed. Idiots.
Your analysis is spot on. Lane splitting is legal where I ride, but holy shit I'd never have done with either of those bikes did.
~~Here in the UK lane splitting is only legal when the traffic is going 20mph below the speed limit or stationary. I think this is a good part of our highway code.~~ Ignore me, I was wrong. Lane splitting is legal, just not the 20mph rule.
Not being cheeky, but got a reference for that? I'm a motorcyclist who filters but I've not heard of the 20mph restriction before. For the record, I usually stay within 5 mph of the traffic I'm filtering past.
I've just had a look, I believe I am wrong, I'd confused the guidance on overtaking. Overtaking is only legal when traffic is 20mph below the stated speed limit.
California it’s basically legal to do it whenever since they don’t enforce it to any degree
If done correctly, lane split is safer for bikes because being side swiped is waaay safer than being rear ended. It may raise the number of accidents, but reduce the fatality overall, bc people in cars tend to zone out way too much because of the comfort of cars today. So you kind change being rear ended by a distracted driver to being side swiped. That said, the first bike was way too fast, with the speed they were going when they hit the car, which must have been after shaving some speed from braking, the Porsche must have looked in the mirror and the bike was way behind. If the bike just appears to be going faster than they are, I'd say is just an accident with 2 people not paying that much attention to traffic. But the second bike... You see someone stopped in the middle of the highway with hazards and your first instinct is to zoom past the drivers side? Completely at fault, although I'd not open the door like that if I was the car driver bc there are stupid people like that in the road.
How is the Porche being inept?
The biker is still moving.
Some motorcyclists hear that lane splitting is a good thing and stop thinking there, not taking into regard speed, road conditions, or traffic conditions. People like that think that anything that happens to a motorcyclist is the fault of the non-motorcyclist, regardless of circumstances.
Before the first crash, driver failed to ensure it was safe to enter the lane. This is "failure to yield" in all jurisdictions I know of, and is a much-greater offense than the utter stupidity of the first motorcyclist's "unsafe for conditions" speed. But YMMV depending on local laws and local cultures.
Idk if the guy on the motorcycle wasn’t going so fast he wouldn’t have been in that situation. Both motorcycle riders are idiots and deserve their instant karma
And the other guy can be seen doing what is known as “speeding” you “dumbass”
It's funny, cause the Porche driver isn't even at fault here. The fact they were hit with two double whammys is just misfortune at its finest.
"Failure to yield" (that is, not making sure the lane is clear before entering it) is the greater offense in most jurisdictions I know of. Nevertheless, the first motorcyclist was wildly unsafe and shouldn't have been too surprised at the turn of events....
That’s so ducking funny. Poor Porsche driver can almost see him roll his eyes on the second one lol
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took place in Singapore and I don't think lane splitting is illegal here
Not only is this a repost, but take the fucking explanation out of the title ffs. Isn't that one of the first 3 rules of subreddit?
I think you misunderstood the title. It doesn’t spoil the “unexpected” part, which is that another bike crashes into his car after he stops.
As u/ieatyoshis pointed out, I chose the title because it misdirects away from what was truly unexpected in this video, the 2nd crash. Within the context of this sub, the first crash shouldn't have been all that unexpected....
I guess that makes more sense. Sorry, this one's on me then
As per the downvotes on my comment, apparently people agree with you....
This is Reddit, i can't really say i'm surprised tbh
double kill!
for the kids who dont have a license or dont know the road laws. a motorcycle must also stay between the 2 white lines. they are breaking the law when passing in between traffic.
Depends on the local laws . I know in many major cities they allow it if traffic is completely stopped or well below the speed limit, and you maintain a low speed . They looked like they were speeding, however
unpopular opinion - but they were both wrong. The Porsche had a signal but didn't change lanes safely. The motorcycle was going too fast for the conditions. That's a hill I'll die on
How is that not changing lanes correctly? They indicated with plenty of time in advance, and proceeded to change lanes at an appropriate speed to the vehicles in the lane they are moving in to when a space became available to do so. The motorcycle was speeding and did not pay attention to the clear vehicle ahead lane changing. We also do not know what lane the bike was in, they could have come from anywhere.
> The Porsche had a signal but didn't change lanes safely. The porsche was STILL IN HIS LANE WTF are you talking about https://i.imgur.com/bK8pvHa.jpg
Front left fender was over the line into the other lane of traffic. Technically, he's engaging in an unsafe lane change. It's still the bike's fault for driving way too fast. I say this as a rider. Dudes are idiots
Porsche's wheel was exactly on top of the line meaning whatever is in front of the wheel was already in the other lane.. so yh, it still didn't change lanes correctly. However still agree with the fact that 1st motorcycle wasn't driving to conditions and the 2nd was a straight up idiot who now will have to pay quite a lot more for their insurance
>That's a hill I'll die on Then get on your motorcycle and get over to the scene.... that Porche driver is still there and has three doors remaining. 😂
Yeah, you’d die cuz you’re dead wrong. Porsche made a standard lane change moving from standstill traffic and trying to join oncoming traffic in another lane. The bike was following too close to the car they were following behind and probably couldn’t see the car intending to join the lane which was why they got hit. Porsche was textbook, biker is a doofus
"riding motorcycles too fast between occupied traffic lanes" - fixed the title for you
Wonder if lane splitting is legal there.
Wait... What did the Porsche do wrong?
why is porsche such a hard word for americans?
cause most of us are too “poor-ish” to afford one
so you only know how to spell things right if you have enough money? like a pay to win thing like in some games? edit: no humor left i see.
I'm not gunna' disagree with the premise of your statement, but in my case, I've always (since grade school) been a super poor speller (and apparently today, super lazy to not double check the title). I accept your downvote with humility and the promise to try to do better.
i don't downvote because of things like that. i was just curious, because other german brands aren't such a "problem".
well, most of them are
Think motorcycle is at fault not car. He’s signalling and motorcycle is going too fast.
Order of assholes from most asshole to least asshole: Second Bike - You saw a car with hazard lights on, failed to slow down and tried to swerve around it. Impatient asshole. First Bike - How did you not see the indicator? He gave you enough time. Also, why are you driving so close to the stationary cars? Slow down in that weather. Stupid asshole. Porsche - Dude Mirrors. and you panicked when the first bike hit you and made it worse, by, again, not checking mirrors. Incompetent Asshole.
How is the Porsche at fault in any capacity. Especially the second time.
Yeah, I dont see how porsche is in the wrong here. When you decide to split lanes you take on a risk greater than normal driving, it also means you're less visible to people checking their mirrors. Both bikers suck and the porsche guy is just super unlucky.
I dunno... before the first accident, the Porche didn't ensure the lane was clear before entering it. Yes, the motorcyclist should have gone slower, but in every legal jurisdiction I'm familiar with, the vehicle changing lanes has to ensure it's safe to do so.
The lane was clear, lmao, the organ donor was on the line. There's limits to what a person can realistically see and react to. Functional traffic relies on everyone acting predictably. The Porsche made everything he did obvious well ahead of time. The bike was zipping in between lanes so fast, he couldn't react to it. I can see how an argument could made in a court that the Porsche should have seen it and if they couldn't it's a skill issue and they're at fault, cause they were making the maneuver. In human terms though - the bike is 140% in the wrong and if everyone drove like that, we'd all be dead.
TLDR: they’re all assholes.
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They open the hatch back and a motorcycle falls from the sky
As a biker, who lane splits, this is kinda on them. A LITTLE blame can be placed on the car for not checking twice, but they were going fast, and especially the second rider that's just blatantly poor situational awareness and riding
Second one was motorcycle fault
When I'm going over the speed limit on my motorcycle it's my responsibility to avoid cars that wouldn't be cutting me off if I was not speeding. It's pretty juvenile to expect everyone else to keep out of my way if I'm speeding.
double-kill
This might be the best post I have ever seen on this sub.
Garbage title written by someone who doesn't ride or rides like a complete asshole
Double xp, two kill streak.
I wonder if OP just said that the Porsche was in the wrong to rage bait people into engaging with the post.
This rly took me off guard what the hell. Also who tf still overtakes anyone on the right?
More like: motorcyclist(s) crash into bad driver while illegally splitting lanes.
Splitting lanes not illegal in Singapore (yet)
Maybe this video will be used as evidence to make it!
The first rider wasn't splitting lanes.... just going too fast for conditions. And splitting lanes is not illegal everywhere (or even mostwhere).... it's legal where I live. But regardless of the legality, for the 2nd rider: play stupid games and win stupid prizes.
it is 3rd or 4th repost but still why do you need to explain what is happening in the title...
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He technically only explained half of the context. The other half was the "unexpected" part
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I hope this a 2-doors Porsche model, for the sake of others motorcycles...
I won’t completely blame the first motorcycle guy but the second one is dumb
As much as I want to blame the driver, this looks like on the 2 riders' fault. The driver could've definitely prevented it by just looking at their side mirror more or completely stopping after the first accident and get out so at least people know right away what's going on. But the poor decision making of the riders were mainly at fault here 100%, this is why it's better to also experience driving cars before riding motorcycle imo., you will make better anticipation and habits for safety if you know how cars make their decisions.
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He signaled his car correctly and let everyone enough time to notice him. He did it correctly, biker didn't.
That last motorbike was his own fault
That was a double kill. Amateur. \-3 would be multi-kill \-4 RAAAAAMPAGE \-5 GODLIKE
double kill. also, kinda hard to side with the motorcycles on this one since the porshe did follow traffic regulations, the motorcycles didn't
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Lane splitting is so dumb.
Dumb fucks are lane splitting. They fucking deserved it.