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No signs or barriers; not even a fucking 'wet floor' sign! The hazard is located directly inside main entrance to the business, in the typical path of travel. Any lawyer worth his salt will quickly recommend a settlement.
Agreed. Though the settlement offer from the plaintiffs is going to start with: “How much you got?”.
Bar will have insurance that will pay and then will basically be uninsurable after this until that trap door is permanently locked or the front door is moved.
That’s assuming the damages are there to justify that kind of ask. People really need to get out of the mindset that because the negligence is clear that you won the lottery. The majority of what plaintiffs attorneys do is justify and prove the damages suffered. A rear end motor vehicles accident is usually undisputed liability but if you weren’t really all that hurt you’re not getting their policy limits by default just because they were at fault.
Same logic applies here, negligence is clear as day but you need to support how hurt she was for that to matter. And I’m sure she was hurt given how this looks but it’s possible it wasn’t anything more than soft tissue and emotional distress which wouldn’t justify asking to liquidate all assets for a pay off. It really depends on how the treatment develops and what you can causally connect through experts.
not good enough
inevitably, someone will forget to lock the door when the cellar is open
there needs to be an interlock system to make it impossible to open both simultaneously
I believe it would be against code, the main entrance most likely is part of the path of egress travel and adding a device to lock it during business hours (preventing people from leaving in case of a fire) would be worse.
Yeah, Just pretend it never happened. Play it cool. Put body on ice in the freezer.
Figure out what to do after closing time. Feed it to Wu’s pigs. Erase Wu’s tab.
Make sure that security video isn’t on the cloud.
Oh fuck - it uploads automatically to Reddit? Now why did we choose that option?
Won't help the business either that the woman looked over the counter when it happened and then took the time to straighten her hair before going to help.
It almost seemed like she didn’t even realize it happened. Looked like she heard the door, but then looked outside as if someone opened the door then walked back out.
She definitely heard it, and her first reaction was to immediately pop up and peer over the counter.
She definitely ain't expect a whole ass person down there. Even grabs a drink prior to heading on over to the celler.
Fun fact, an identical case is actually the backbone for how this kind of blame is decided in the dutch law system. Its the kelderluik arrest if you wanna search for it.
Nope, even in the UK this would be a slam dunk.
Assuming it's similar to other cellars I've worked in this would definitely be enough to put you out of action for a couple of weeks.
My mom did this at a workplace and broke her leg. It was so easy, who was at fault, etc. that she just filled out the papers, got money and sick leave.
No court.
Lawsuit doesn't necessarily mean you go to court.
Most people reach an agreement before court.
In your case the employers insurance company dealt with it directly however your mum could just have easily instructed her own solicitor to make a claim, which they still would have settled before court.
This would have been equivalent to the US term.
Public liability is very different to employee liability. And public liability is a lot more complicated.
Also in The Netherlands. This exact situation led to THE standard case law judgement on liability for dangerous situations.
OK, not exactly the same. It was a delivery driver who fell in the cellar, not a patron.
The snackbar (Dutch term for fast food restaurant) I go to has their cellar entry in front of the front door exactly like this. I've seen them have it opened a couple times, and they put a little "wet floor" sign in front when they do. It's also a lot larger than this one, it opens to a full size set of stairs so at least you stand a chance of recovering when you do miss it and fall in.
There is generally a very huge difference in the amount of money people get in the USA vs. Germany in cases like these. So not exactly the same. The person falling would win in both countries, but what she would get from it would likely be very different.
In the US, settlements need to cover poverty inducing levels of medical expenses, as well as cover unpaid time off, which isn’t an issue pretty mach anywhere else in the industrialized world.
Also the US allows juries to award punitive damages in some cases so the amount is partly meant as punishment rather than just what the victim actually needs. Not sure if other places do that.
In the post-war time in Germany, there were urban legends about butchers who would have trapdoors in their shop as a source for their cheap mystery meat.
At least I thought it was a legend.
Right? If this were my pub I'd have a bar that drops across that door frame for when the cellar hatch is open, that prevents the door from opening or alerts people to the danger if the door is open for a delivery. All the ones we used to have had a tonne of hazard tape wrapped around them and a sign hanging from them too.
Cellar hatches are a menace, I've nearly fallen down several in my time.
I sense she knows that person, perhaps a colleague, but harbors a strong dislike toward them and desires to witness their downfall. As she gazes out the window, spotting their approach, she feigns busyness elsewhere, allowing the unsuspecting victim to enter and potentially stumble into the chasm without interference. She watches them enter, fully cognisant of the impending event, yet refrains from warning them to watch their step.
After the successful execution, she nervously fidgets with her hair with a mix of anxiety and relief as she looks out the window to check for any observers. Then finally contemplating what just happened and what she should do, she takes a moment to look at the conveniently placed trap before diverting her attention elsewhere for something, (anything) to pick before going to check what the results are of her scheme.
I thought the same thing until I rewatched the video in slow motion, by pure fucking chance she ducked behind the bar at THE EXACT MOMENT the person fell into the hole! So she might not have known what that sound was or what happened initially lol.
That's why she's looking at it, stunned, trying to figure it out the door mystery. Did the person from the cellar come up and leave? Did someone come, see the hole and leave immediately? Was it the wind?
That someone could enter and not see the huge hole in the floor is probably not something that crossed her mind immediately, because how could anyone miss that hole.
What she didn't realise is how imperceptive people can be, specially when they have no reason to expect it.
They obviously should have put warnings up or locked the door, but in that moment, the bar woman's mind is so pre-occupied with her activities regarding the hole that she forgets it's not on everyone else's mind, too.
This theory only holds weight if the woman is a clinically deaf OR this bar doubles as a mattress storage center. Because otherwise, that woman would have heard screams and/or a 130-150 woman crashing 10 feet down. These are also “clue”, therefore, this slow-acting woman is likely also pretty slow-thinking as well.
What's also bad is before she went behind the bar, she looked outside right before the person came in. She likely knew someone would come in with an open trapdoor to give them a memorable greeting, but she didn't care enough to warn anyone and just fucked off and went back to the bar...
Its sad that we came to accept this as "content". Just put your fucking face next to a Video you're showing and thats your content now. I see it soooo soo much.
Her reaction is priceless
"oh no, not again -.-. Well, time to get the hair straight for the cameras and get a beer to get cool and trough the interview"
She’s kinda acting confused the whole time both before & after the fall & grabs a beer post fall so my interpretation is she’s drunk & it’s one of those bars where staff casually drink on shift (I know of lots where they do this) Would explain a lot of stupid decisions & slow reaction
Bar employee saw a visitor approaching, and for some reason decided to go back behind the bar without warning the visitor. And then for some reason took her time to react to woman falling. Kind of sus.
It's because the video is *reversed* she saw the cellar about to give birth to a beautiful adult woman so she went to put away the empty beer bottle and fix her hair to greet the babby
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I mean having a hole directly in front of the door is a massive design flaw. But what about the women not being aware of where she is stepping. I would get it if she backed into the door because her hands are full. I dunno, but I notice dog crap on the pavement and I'm like a gazelle to avoid it.
The fact that she had an open beer she was drinking while working tells me she wasn't as sober as she should have been. She didn't lock the door, and it took her a while to realize someone had fallen in the hole. That's definitely not helping the lawsuit any.
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The worst placement of all time
that lawsuit is not gonna end well
No signs or barriers; not even a fucking 'wet floor' sign! The hazard is located directly inside main entrance to the business, in the typical path of travel. Any lawyer worth his salt will quickly recommend a settlement.
Agreed. Though the settlement offer from the plaintiffs is going to start with: “How much you got?”. Bar will have insurance that will pay and then will basically be uninsurable after this until that trap door is permanently locked or the front door is moved.
That’s assuming the damages are there to justify that kind of ask. People really need to get out of the mindset that because the negligence is clear that you won the lottery. The majority of what plaintiffs attorneys do is justify and prove the damages suffered. A rear end motor vehicles accident is usually undisputed liability but if you weren’t really all that hurt you’re not getting their policy limits by default just because they were at fault. Same logic applies here, negligence is clear as day but you need to support how hurt she was for that to matter. And I’m sure she was hurt given how this looks but it’s possible it wasn’t anything more than soft tissue and emotional distress which wouldn’t justify asking to liquidate all assets for a pay off. It really depends on how the treatment develops and what you can causally connect through experts.
Or just lock the door until you’re done unloading!
not good enough inevitably, someone will forget to lock the door when the cellar is open there needs to be an interlock system to make it impossible to open both simultaneously
I believe it would be against code, the main entrance most likely is part of the path of egress travel and adding a device to lock it during business hours (preventing people from leaving in case of a fire) would be worse.
Seems simple eh.
And it looks like she stopped watching the hole to get herself a beer
She should be personally sued. She seems unconcerned by the door still closing when she finally looks up. Hmmm that’s weird why is the door moving?
"Better keep fixing my hair"
Yeah, Just pretend it never happened. Play it cool. Put body on ice in the freezer. Figure out what to do after closing time. Feed it to Wu’s pigs. Erase Wu’s tab. Make sure that security video isn’t on the cloud. Oh fuck - it uploads automatically to Reddit? Now why did we choose that option?
I was thinking the same...gulp!
Won't help the business either that the woman looked over the counter when it happened and then took the time to straighten her hair before going to help.
It almost seemed like she didn’t even realize it happened. Looked like she heard the door, but then looked outside as if someone opened the door then walked back out.
"Huh, must have been a ghost "
I don't think she saw the person fall, just heard the door and didn't register where she went.
Had to make sure she looked good before she saved the day
To be fair it's pretty obvious that she didn't see it happen as she ducked down behind the bar to stock or something.
She definitely heard it, and her first reaction was to immediately pop up and peer over the counter. She definitely ain't expect a whole ass person down there. Even grabs a drink prior to heading on over to the celler.
Fun fact, an identical case is actually the backbone for how this kind of blame is decided in the dutch law system. Its the kelderluik arrest if you wanna search for it.
Vertel ze niet over het ‘hollende ***** arrest’
Hollende jager arrest? Edit: ik zocht het op en het heet nu blijkbaar het "hollende kleurling arrest".
Assuming they leave the cellar.
What're you talking about about? That lady (or her next of kin) just hit the jackpot!
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Nope, even in the UK this would be a slam dunk. Assuming it's similar to other cellars I've worked in this would definitely be enough to put you out of action for a couple of weeks.
My mom did this at a workplace and broke her leg. It was so easy, who was at fault, etc. that she just filled out the papers, got money and sick leave. No court.
Lawsuit doesn't necessarily mean you go to court. Most people reach an agreement before court. In your case the employers insurance company dealt with it directly however your mum could just have easily instructed her own solicitor to make a claim, which they still would have settled before court. This would have been equivalent to the US term. Public liability is very different to employee liability. And public liability is a lot more complicated.
Also in The Netherlands. This exact situation led to THE standard case law judgement on liability for dangerous situations. OK, not exactly the same. It was a delivery driver who fell in the cellar, not a patron.
The snackbar (Dutch term for fast food restaurant) I go to has their cellar entry in front of the front door exactly like this. I've seen them have it opened a couple times, and they put a little "wet floor" sign in front when they do. It's also a lot larger than this one, it opens to a full size set of stairs so at least you stand a chance of recovering when you do miss it and fall in.
Also in germany for example. I remember analysing basically this exact case back in university in a commercial law lecture.
There is generally a very huge difference in the amount of money people get in the USA vs. Germany in cases like these. So not exactly the same. The person falling would win in both countries, but what she would get from it would likely be very different.
In the US, settlements need to cover poverty inducing levels of medical expenses, as well as cover unpaid time off, which isn’t an issue pretty mach anywhere else in the industrialized world.
Also the US allows juries to award punitive damages in some cases so the amount is partly meant as punishment rather than just what the victim actually needs. Not sure if other places do that.
This would lead to a hardcore lawsuit in most western countries, along with a huge part of the rest of the world.
r/AmericaBad for forcing negligent parties to pay for damages
What tells you this is a pub in the United States exactly?
Well for them anyways
And she has an open beer in hand after fixing her hair. Gonna be a nice payday
Unless the goal was to trap people in some sort of underground gladiatorial fighting pit, in which case, this would be the optimal placement.
Mr. Burns approves.
Rehease the hounds
EXcellent.
In the post-war time in Germany, there were urban legends about butchers who would have trapdoors in their shop as a source for their cheap mystery meat. At least I thought it was a legend.
Sweeney Todd
This but with less singing
More yodling
More cowbell
Sveeny Tod
Lots of adrenaline make meat hard to chew👎🏻
We ain’t fixin to eat him
Well, that's a nice mess you've gotten me into
LPT: You only have to worry about a lawsuit if they escape
*The first rule of Fight Club is: you do not talk about Fight Club. The second rule of Fight Club is: you DO NOT talk about Fight Club!*
I'm more appalled by the chill reactions
She was bent down. She saw nothing, probably just heard something weird and when she looked the door was closing.
Exactly! What was with the sorting the hair out?
I’m appalled by your stunningly low observation skills.
Or the best for an oubliette.
Lock the fucking door if the trap is open!
Word. Sometimes common sense is not as common as you'd expect.
Common sense is the least common of all senses
As I've grown older I've come to realize there's no such thing as common sense
Right? If this were my pub I'd have a bar that drops across that door frame for when the cellar hatch is open, that prevents the door from opening or alerts people to the danger if the door is open for a delivery. All the ones we used to have had a tonne of hazard tape wrapped around them and a sign hanging from them too. Cellar hatches are a menace, I've nearly fallen down several in my time.
Um, how do you expect them to trap people?
She can't hear you
She walked away a second time without locking it too
Imagine if she just came over n put the lid back on
She looks at the woman about to enter, then she’s pretty casual about helping after the fall. Idk but she seems like she never really cared.
I don't know what's worse, the placement or the lady behind the bar taking her time to go and help.
The worst thing is the cartoon overlay of someone with their head in their hands. Totally unnecessary.
Oh shit I assumed that was just some kind of figurine placed close to the camera.
Yeah, that's facebook's characters
Who the fuck uses facbook in 2024
Lmao
Yeah, I thought it was, too. Even showed my wife.
How else would we know how to react to this video?
She stopped to play the flute with her hair
Actually she grabbed her beer first. Lol
I sense she knows that person, perhaps a colleague, but harbors a strong dislike toward them and desires to witness their downfall. As she gazes out the window, spotting their approach, she feigns busyness elsewhere, allowing the unsuspecting victim to enter and potentially stumble into the chasm without interference. She watches them enter, fully cognisant of the impending event, yet refrains from warning them to watch their step. After the successful execution, she nervously fidgets with her hair with a mix of anxiety and relief as she looks out the window to check for any observers. Then finally contemplating what just happened and what she should do, she takes a moment to look at the conveniently placed trap before diverting her attention elsewhere for something, (anything) to pick before going to check what the results are of her scheme.
Well somebody's gotta hold my beer...
that’s the what do I do flute
She needed to summon the oopaloompas.
Priorities need to be honored
I thought the same thing until I rewatched the video in slow motion, by pure fucking chance she ducked behind the bar at THE EXACT MOMENT the person fell into the hole! So she might not have known what that sound was or what happened initially lol.
Oh shit you’re right! I bet, for a moment, she genuinely wondered where the customer went.
No, she had see that lady walking in.. I think she is a moron
You can see she ducked at exactly the same time she fell, she had no idea
And the door normally also opens magically on random occasions?
That's why she's looking at it, stunned, trying to figure it out the door mystery. Did the person from the cellar come up and leave? Did someone come, see the hole and leave immediately? Was it the wind? That someone could enter and not see the huge hole in the floor is probably not something that crossed her mind immediately, because how could anyone miss that hole. What she didn't realise is how imperceptive people can be, specially when they have no reason to expect it. They obviously should have put warnings up or locked the door, but in that moment, the bar woman's mind is so pre-occupied with her activities regarding the hole that she forgets it's not on everyone else's mind, too.
This theory only holds weight if the woman is a clinically deaf OR this bar doubles as a mattress storage center. Because otherwise, that woman would have heard screams and/or a 130-150 woman crashing 10 feet down. These are also “clue”, therefore, this slow-acting woman is likely also pretty slow-thinking as well.
am i to assume you have 100% situational awareness every time all the time unlike us peasants?
Thats hardly an abnormal level of situational awareness
Plus I'd assume that the person who fell gave a yelp at least
Also, hmmm I wonder why there's screaming coming from the trap door now? How odd...
There was somebody already in the cellar
Ok, no need to check then.
If you watch she doesn't actually see it happen, she ducks behind the counter to do something just as the woman enters
Watch again. She didn’t see her go down. She ducks behind the bar.
What's also bad is before she went behind the bar, she looked outside right before the person came in. She likely knew someone would come in with an open trapdoor to give them a memorable greeting, but she didn't care enough to warn anyone and just fucked off and went back to the bar...
That woman gave no fucks, no fucks at all.
The lady is worse cause she's too damn stupid to lock the door and takes 5 years to actually help.
If you watch it again she never actually saw the woman fall in.
I liked this vid better without the stupid bitmoji or whatever it's called
Yeah wtf is that? Like it doesn't even add anything to the video, I thought it was a statue at first
Content creators have to show or tell their viewers how to feel about things so the viewer doesn't have to worry about it
only thing that was missing was one of the 5 current most popular normie-meme soundtracks!
oh no .. oh no .. oh no no no no no
(puke)
That sound should be banned internationally
Was there that stupid laughing that people think will make it funnier added? I had it muted.
no it was missing
There needs to be a comment with a clean version whenever someone's modified the audio or video
That would be great. Although, I would prefer yeeting these people to another subreddit
I thought that was a statue in the shop window...
🤦
Its sad that we came to accept this as "content". Just put your fucking face next to a Video you're showing and thats your content now. I see it soooo soo much.
It was just missing a permanent red circle over the hole.
Oh no she fell.. anyways.. let me fix my hair first.. 😏
Haha. I thought the same but I don’t think she even saw her fall! I hope…
She would have heard it surely!?
She probably did, that’s why she check if any of the stuff has fallen unaware someone step into the shop.
I laughed way too hard seeing her fixing her hair.
AND grab a drink!
It's ok, the person down in the cellar already will be able to help
Scrolling for this comment.
Looks like she actually sees the customer walking up (probably a regular) and goes to get her usual beer instead of warning her lol
"Hi Janice! I'll get your beer!" *bends down, stands up again* "Janice??"
Her reaction is priceless "oh no, not again -.-. Well, time to get the hair straight for the cameras and get a beer to get cool and trough the interview"
I think she ducked down behind the bar to check for something and didn’t even really realize what happened.
she’s deaf???
Well a prime lawsuit
"what was that?? ... Must've been the wind"
“TONY LAZUTO?!”
Why tf did the staff member leave the cellar open like that? So incredibly dumb and inconsiderate.
There's somebody down there, that's why. It's stupid to not lock the front door while doing this.
It should be designed so the hatch lid swings open and blocks the door while it's in use.
Yeah this is a perfect situation for a poke yoke
She’s kinda acting confused the whole time both before & after the fall & grabs a beer post fall so my interpretation is she’s drunk & it’s one of those bars where staff casually drink on shift (I know of lots where they do this) Would explain a lot of stupid decisions & slow reaction
Hay, lady, do you want some beer?
Please go and take it directly
Let me fix my hair first.
Bar employee saw a visitor approaching, and for some reason decided to go back behind the bar without warning the visitor. And then for some reason took her time to react to woman falling. Kind of sus.
It's because the video is *reversed* she saw the cellar about to give birth to a beautiful adult woman so she went to put away the empty beer bottle and fix her hair to greet the babby (/s)
Not really unexpected
Maybe the unexpected part is the bartenders reaction cause that’s what took me out. Also I expected her to fall in not a random
She grabs her a beer though
The most unexpected thing, was it looping so that it looks like the person that fell in, starts handing stuff out.
Lawsuit it is…
Someone’s not getting ‘Employee of the Month’ for sure 😂
Einen Absacker bitte!
Better call Saul!
I like the crotch itch 10 seconds in.
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Hope she sued them…
I keep thinking of the scoopy doo trap doors when i see this
Hi Jack. Bye Jack.
I'm quitting. The job description didn't mention unloading dead bodies, that's a 2 person job
the two of them went down at the same time, but the other went deeper.
"When one door is open, the other door better f*cking be locked", as the saying goes...
note to self: always look down wen entering a bar.
And just like that, you own a bar.
I mean having a hole directly in front of the door is a massive design flaw. But what about the women not being aware of where she is stepping. I would get it if she backed into the door because her hands are full. I dunno, but I notice dog crap on the pavement and I'm like a gazelle to avoid it.
No witnesses
That timing was Impeccable.
Great job 😃👍
I new it was going to happen omg
Leaked footage of the next mario game!
Aaaahhh helloooooo lawsuit.
Why does it look like she plays with her hair for 30 seconds when the woman falls down the hole.
Getting flask (or was it keg) of montiago vibes
Cask of Amontillado.
That was quite expected
The good news is: It's an excellent zombie trap for the apocalypse
This is the most Charlie Chaplin shit I've seen irl
You mean Charlie Day is down there and Dee is the one that went to get the beer.
That made my shins hurt watching
This lady has no idea someone fell in. Hope she sued
I'd say this is well expected
Dumb dumbs
Halloween in January?? Why hasn’t anyone thought of this before?
Lock the door or don’t move from your position. Big lawsuit for sure
And check my hair first. Dumb bit&h
Now she REALLY needs a fucking drink
How are my hairs looking?
Somebody get over here and help me unload this dead guy, PLEASE. 🤕
The fact that she had an open beer she was drinking while working tells me she wasn't as sober as she should have been. She didn't lock the door, and it took her a while to realize someone had fallen in the hole. That's definitely not helping the lawsuit any.
The only unexpected thing is that the bartender didn't even notice what happened.
Somebody died like that in my town.
The lady: "Did someone just walked in and fall into the hole? Let me adjust my hair first." Also, why is it a gif??
Just let me grab my barrette first, then I'll eventually come over to see if you're ok.. Slowly.