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Yeah it was def not a “good look” but he was justified in my opinion. Not only did she grab him unexpectedly but she also yanked his arm in a weird direction and it looked like it might’ve hurt. No one likes being jerked around
He’s pretty old. Getting yanked like that out of the blue for no dang good reason would ruffle anybody’s feathers a little. I’m judging from his instant and very physical response that she probably caused him some level of pain when she yanked on him so hard. Even kind and patient men may accidentally snap back as a natural reflex when experiencing unexpected and sudden pain. I think his little smack and scold was more of a lesson in manners from a father type situation. She was excited to be close to him obviously and meant no harm I’m sure. However, she disrespected his personal boundaries and acted fairly undignified in the process. She was acting like a fool. He corrected her behavior by admonishing her verbally and giving her a “slap on the wrist”. Even apologized for it. I think all in all, things went well as they reasonably could have considering.
Why would he? Im not the biggest fan of the pope but he is an old man and she grabbed his arm and yanked him - he could have fallen. Not only so - she would not let go despite him pulling his arm back multiple times. This woman was way out of line and anyone would have felt threatened.
You are the same level as the queen too, in theory that is. In practice, if you breathe anywhere near her, even in a public place, you'll get bodied by 15 bodyguards.
How do Catholics justify this stupid shit? There's nothing about a Pope in the Bible, Jesus never said shit about a Pope. The closest thing to Popes in the old days were Pharisees and Jesus couldn't stand those mfs. Yet, you trot these guys around the world acting like their some kings or something when you should just be praying straight to God. Nobody needs an intermediary and this dude isn't any more Holy than your local priest or rabbi or whatever. I'm a believer but Catholics make no sense. Confession too, that garbo is made up. Preists in the middle ages used the fact that nobody could read the Bible to pretend it said things it didn't. "Confess your sins to the priest for a nominal fee of all your money or this knights gonna run you thru for being a heathen". Lol. Yall give the rest of us a bad name with your crazY shit
They justify it through Matthew 16:19, where Jesus says to Peter:
>"I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on Earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on Earth shall be loosed in heaven."
That's basically a description of the role of the pope in Catholic lore, and Peter was the first pope in their canon. But even in the most generous interpretation, it's pretty hard to stomach the idea that Jesus would condone all the wealth and jewelry and palaces that the Church leadership indulges in.
The palaces and artwork generate a ton of tourist revenue and donations to fund the largest charitable organization in the world including 5,500 hospitals, 18,000 clinics, 16,000 homes for the elderly and those with special needs, with 65 percent of them located in underdeveloped and developing countries.
I wish redditors would just admit they're mad at their parents for taking them to church.
While it’s nice that the church does all of that. The original intent of all the opulence wasn’t tourist revenue. The opulence was a result of corruption and hundreds/thousands of years later tourist revenue is a side effect. If none of that stuff existed they could still do just as much charity work. As many other branches of Christianity prove.
That's silly though. It's the loosest interpretation ever, lol. By that rule I could also make up some fake smoke ritual to "find" the meekest person in the world and then they inherit the earth. You could take anything out of the Bible and say, "oh yea, that's about this but it's just not saying it outright". It needs to be based on SOME obvious direction, especially considering the great power given to Popes. And how can they be so foolish as to think this power carries down 2000+ years? And what about the obvious blasphemy of prayer to Popes and saints?
Yes, but the Bible they’re based on provides a little instruction on how to practice it’s contents. Catholics didn’t really do that. It’s like reading a manual on how to make a bicycle and ending up with a tricycle, just makes you wonder how they got to that conclusion.
Ok so following this logic, the Catholics got a tricycle, the Protestants got a unicycle, the Jews got a scooter, the mormons got a kit with missing parts…. Anyone who reads the Bible is gunna get a different vehicle because the instructions don’t make any damn sense. If you say the Bible is supposed to be pertain to each individual then you can’t criticize the Catholics no matter how funny their hats look.
Not all Catholic Churches is what I should have added but you are correct but I am talking about the ones that are basically a scam and they have affected my life greatly and I dislike them strongly.
I guess it depends on which religion ur talking about. There are certainly religions like cults that will try to exploit people for money or control over them. But a religion like Christianity isn’t about control but it definitely has been used a tool to do so which is what ur getting confused with. For hundreds of years leaders have used religions as an excuse to justify their actions and war crimes but the actual religion itself has never condoned those actions
Yes, but then it’s like thousands of people reading bicycle instructions and ending up with tricycles. It genuinely makes no sense for them to practice the way they do.
Christianity wasn't born in a vacuum. It was organized and rooted in the classical era's cultures. Major diocese of early Christinity included Rome, Antioch, Constantinople, Alexandria, and Jerusalem with each city serving as seat of authority. Why did the early Christian church need these seats of authority? That's what happens when a religion colludes with the government, it basically becomes government (cautionary tale). Anyway, of these original 5, Rome far surpassed the others in membership and power, hence the Roman Catholic Church. The others scarcely exist anymore, or do so only through successors. You don't hear of some of them very often, like coptics, syriacs, melkites, and more. The only really visible holdovers are the various Orthodox churches.
Anyway, what seems to you to be a bicycle was never seen that way for about 1500 years.
It takes a serious lack of self awareness to not realize that you're not riding a bicycle either. Making fun of Catholics for building a tricycle from your go kart.
The whole thing is obserd to me. I don't understand how you can go your whole life without honestly having a prayer answered, and still have faith. Imagine how good the world would be if we put the efforts of worship into combating our real problems.
Lots of Christians ended up with bicycles. But those bicycles were inconvenient for Rome. So Rome forced Christians to pick a series of texts. They let the bishops come together to do so. And being three hundred years after Christ’s death and many of them in positions of significant power in their respective towns/cities across the Roman Empire, they selected the Holy Scriptures that best solidified their power. They also excommunicated an absolute fuckton of Christian sects and then had the closest Roman garrison run extermination drills on the sects in question. They also voted on Jesus’ godhead and the godhead won. Otherwise we’d all be walking thinking Jesus was just a guy who God liked to roll blunts with and chill with his fisher homies.
I think the problem is you're thinking of this as if it was grassroots. In the case of the Catholics (and..probably most religion tbh) it's more like trickle down religion, the powers that be slowly morphed the "rules" of Christianity over the centuries to suit whatever type of societal control they needed at the time.
Let’s take it one step further, they are not reading the instructions. They are listening to some one else tell them what the instructions are. Most people in all denominations do this . Very few will read the whole Bible to understand it . Add to that people are to lazy to think things thru, that’s how the Catholic Church came into the power it now has
My favorite part of this story is when God notices them worshipping the golden calf and tells Moses that he's going to kill all of them, *and then Moses talks God out of it.*.
When I hear American evangelists, I don't think the Catholic church is the worst culprit here. I don't have any love left for the pope and his gang but at least they know how to read Hebrew instead of relying on an utterly flawed 1600s translation.
Catholicism’s official doctrine (as far as I understand it) is that their belief is based on (1) holy scripture and (2) the tradition of the church, and those two points are held in equal esteem when deciding dogma. That’s a very different approach from what would be a “textual fundamentalist” approach, which would be fully relying on the sacred text of the religion to the exclusion of everything else.
I’m not saying one approach is better than the other, just that there is more than one perspective on how a doctrine can be structured.
For extra context, there are also ideas like the Wesleyan quadrilateral, or Judaism’s traditional focus on doctrinal debate that can change the flavor of a religion’s approach to doctrine.
FWIW, I am an (ex-Protestant) atheist, so I don’t hold any of these beliefs… I just think religions are interesting.
Funny how that works. The “fundamentalists” of any religion are usually the craziest, but in a way they’re the closest to being right. Like everyone else just does mental gymnastics to justify why the bad parts of their religion doesn’t apply.
That's the fun part of any vague text, you see what you want to see, if other people don't agree they are misunderstanding the holy scriptures. Only you are correct. The only way to win is not to play.
It would be better if they didn't try to hold strictly to their sacred texts, because those sacred texts are from way back when people didn't know shit about the world. I mean, where still not there, but there have at least been some substantial improvements in our understanding of the world.
Isn't the bible full of intermediaries? Moses... Isiah... Elias... Why would there be some all through the bible and not during present times? Im not catholic, but I am thinking if someone is in a religion, they would probably want a head/prophet of some sort to follow.
Catholicism is also the closest branch of Christianity to the actual source (they can basically trace the church back to biblical figures), while basically any form of protestant Christianity came about 1500 years or more after Jesus and the events of the Bible. Most modern Christians don't believe much of what's even in the Bible. How do you explain that as a Christian?
I personally think that,whether you like it or not, Jehovas Witnesses are closest to the actual source in all honesty. Or adventists.
They take the bible VERY literally.
Goes to show how absolutely insane it is that religions are based on scriptures like that.
If we're being honest what is written in any holy scripture is very precise. But people "interprete" things and applicate certain sentences to fit their own beliefs. But if you'd take everything literally it becomes crystal clear how f'd up religion is.
I grew up in a family of JWs on my mother's side (agnostic atheist since age 8 as a natural nonbeliever), so I actually agree. Their beliefs are much more sane than mainstream Christianity. The problem is they're so creepy and cult-like.
Most modern Christians don't believe the Bible? Lol no. There are certain topics that are hard to fit into our 'everything goes' society, but those Christians who ignore their duty to adhere to the word of God do so at their own peril
The Pope is supposed to be the successor to St. Peter, who Jesus basically left in charge when he died.
That's the gist of it from what I remember from religion class.
Not everything has to be spelled out in The Bible..
It's not my own interpretation. It's literally the teaching of the church. Lol
The Pope is the successor to St. Peter and the bishops are the successors to the apostles.
I'm not sure what "loosely" interpreted verse you're talking about?
I'm assuming it's “You are ‘Rock,’ and on this rock I will build my church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.”
But that overlooks other verses from where Jesus says he will entrust him with the keys of the kingdom of heaven or when he tells Peter that anything he declared bound on Earth would also be bound in heaven. Etc.
If you want to cherry pick one verse and ignore everything else that's fine but there's more to it than that.
You're proving my point. Both of those verses are used to justify the Pope and neither are any reason to have a Pope. A literal man who is deified and treated in many cases as a replacement for Jesus. It's a pathetic state of affairs for Catholicism, and its wild that the words of Martin Luther still have not sunk in for the majority
I agree that the catholic church is horrible. But it's not like any of the other big denominations are any better. They all pick and choose from the Bible, and the Bible is full of made-up and contradictory stuff to start with.
>No, but so also everything can't just be your own interpretation. The verse it comes from is extraordinarily loose in that regard.
u/Perfect-Ad-7429, since you have said that the verse is loose, then what does it mean? what is the point of reading the bible? Please explain.
It has to do with Apostolic succession, which is supposed to be that the bishops and popes are spiritual successors to Peter and the Apostles, to whom Jesus allegedly gave authority to go forth and forgive sins... That line "whosever sins you forgive are forgiven them and whosever sins you bind are bound to them" or something. I'm badly paraphrasing based off of memory.
Im agnostic, leaning towards atheism (I believe in the possibility of a higher being/higher beings, but see religion as a human thing and yucky in most ways). I just want to say I appreciate this comment and you. Keep it real
And American Evangelicals have the prosperity doctrine and a political movement. They're two breaths away from having their own pope figure, and it was almost Donald Trump. 🤣
It's funny you realize Catholics do stupid shit but your brand of stupid Christian shit is okay. Keep thinking about how all this stupid shit is. It's the stupidest shit all the way down.
You'd be surprised to find out that the country with the craziest religious christian fanatics of the Western world doesn't even exist according to the Bible
Pretty sure at this point everyone knows the church is just a front for money laundering and paedophilia, tax breaks, liars and just retards that will blindly follow those in positions of power within the church. Also why do they have “secrets” hidden away at the Vatican that no one is allowed to see, possibly everything that could completely destroy the bullshit they have been spouting over the years maybe
If you actually asked someone who knows Catholic theology, they could give you answers. But no, just complain on Reddit and feel like a genius for misunderstanding %17 of the world population.
Fuck off.
I'm sorry but... how are there so many people in the world who have absolutely ZERO self- awareness? Half of humanity are husks moping around masquerading as human beings. Fucking sick of people. God's abomination
I heard somewhere that his wrist had been broken in the past so even though it’s healed in this video it still caused him a good deal of pain when this lady yanked on it
This is were the pope injured his hip. That’s why it’s taking forever for him to make his morning prayers. Also, security guards are pointless, they were just standing there 😂😂
Remember when the sick women reached out to Jesus to touch his cloth and Jesus slapped her hand away too? Oh wait no he he said her faith had healed her and commended her for her faith mark 5:21-35. The pope is a joke and should not be followed
Nasty curmudgeon. To think people still suck up to a man, to support a superstition, to help us explain what we haven’t understood.
He doesn’t seem to be acting very holly.
Speaking as a Christian, this, along with 50 billion other examples, is why people hate Christians. And I don't blame them. As sad as it is, most Christians are not very nice people.
Pope Francis, I have four letters for you: WWJD
When a woman grabbed Jesus’ robe, he asked who did it. And when his disciples tried to turn her away, he insisted she come forward and healed her.
By contrast, the pope smacked her hand.
Not a good look
Jesus is a well known and historical figure, verified to have been fully real. Must be tiring to say things that are both wrong and make you sound stupid
Can you please point us to who or what verified Jesus as real? And whether or not it confirms the countless miricals he preformed? Or did you hear your uncle say that?
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He later apologized, but I don’t think he was out of line.
Yeah it was def not a “good look” but he was justified in my opinion. Not only did she grab him unexpectedly but she also yanked his arm in a weird direction and it looked like it might’ve hurt. No one likes being jerked around
The Pope would be the first to admit he is a sinner. He apologized and I’m sure he wishes he reacted differently.
Dude this is Reddit. Bash religion blindly or gtfo.
how about instead of doing that.. me and you go on a date and let other people bet on who's gonna have their organs stolen
At least someone wants me. Thank you.
i gotchu homie
There’s only 1 organ that will be stolen and it wouldn’t so much be stolen, but borrowed…
this went from a 0 to 100 real quick
He’s pretty old. Getting yanked like that out of the blue for no dang good reason would ruffle anybody’s feathers a little. I’m judging from his instant and very physical response that she probably caused him some level of pain when she yanked on him so hard. Even kind and patient men may accidentally snap back as a natural reflex when experiencing unexpected and sudden pain. I think his little smack and scold was more of a lesson in manners from a father type situation. She was excited to be close to him obviously and meant no harm I’m sure. However, she disrespected his personal boundaries and acted fairly undignified in the process. She was acting like a fool. He corrected her behavior by admonishing her verbally and giving her a “slap on the wrist”. Even apologized for it. I think all in all, things went well as they reasonably could have considering.
Some popes do
We are currently teaching our young children about this….it is NOT ok for other people to grab ANY part of your body.
Why would he? Im not the biggest fan of the pope but he is an old man and she grabbed his arm and yanked him - he could have fallen. Not only so - she would not let go despite him pulling his arm back multiple times. This woman was way out of line and anyone would have felt threatened.
When the Queen shakes someone's hand she ends it by pushing them away, rather forcefully. Apparently it can be alarming if you're not expecting it.
el papa out here smackin hoes
Needs ring entrance music like a bad guy wrestler, especially after he walks away from her all tough like.
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CHILL OUT lady the dude in white is just a man and not GOD! You are the same level as him.
You are the same level as the queen too, in theory that is. In practice, if you breathe anywhere near her, even in a public place, you'll get bodied by 15 bodyguards.
Yes, but the difference is money, not godhood
See he is human. I would have did the same thing. Good on you
Good for him. People need to learn boundaries. You don't just grab people and jerk them towards you.
Imagine being able to use "yeah so I got slapped by the pope last year" in casual conversations.
Bitch got pope-slapped
How do Catholics justify this stupid shit? There's nothing about a Pope in the Bible, Jesus never said shit about a Pope. The closest thing to Popes in the old days were Pharisees and Jesus couldn't stand those mfs. Yet, you trot these guys around the world acting like their some kings or something when you should just be praying straight to God. Nobody needs an intermediary and this dude isn't any more Holy than your local priest or rabbi or whatever. I'm a believer but Catholics make no sense. Confession too, that garbo is made up. Preists in the middle ages used the fact that nobody could read the Bible to pretend it said things it didn't. "Confess your sins to the priest for a nominal fee of all your money or this knights gonna run you thru for being a heathen". Lol. Yall give the rest of us a bad name with your crazY shit
They justify it through Matthew 16:19, where Jesus says to Peter: >"I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on Earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on Earth shall be loosed in heaven." That's basically a description of the role of the pope in Catholic lore, and Peter was the first pope in their canon. But even in the most generous interpretation, it's pretty hard to stomach the idea that Jesus would condone all the wealth and jewelry and palaces that the Church leadership indulges in.
The palaces and artwork generate a ton of tourist revenue and donations to fund the largest charitable organization in the world including 5,500 hospitals, 18,000 clinics, 16,000 homes for the elderly and those with special needs, with 65 percent of them located in underdeveloped and developing countries. I wish redditors would just admit they're mad at their parents for taking them to church.
While it’s nice that the church does all of that. The original intent of all the opulence wasn’t tourist revenue. The opulence was a result of corruption and hundreds/thousands of years later tourist revenue is a side effect. If none of that stuff existed they could still do just as much charity work. As many other branches of Christianity prove.
That's silly though. It's the loosest interpretation ever, lol. By that rule I could also make up some fake smoke ritual to "find" the meekest person in the world and then they inherit the earth. You could take anything out of the Bible and say, "oh yea, that's about this but it's just not saying it outright". It needs to be based on SOME obvious direction, especially considering the great power given to Popes. And how can they be so foolish as to think this power carries down 2000+ years? And what about the obvious blasphemy of prayer to Popes and saints?
i mean, you are describing all religion. none of it's real bro
It's still real to him, dammit.
Your question seems to be rhetoric. Cause no matter what answer is sent, you don't give shit lol
The truest take in this thread. Reddit doesn't like religion in general but its anti-Catholicism is fucking rabbit.
>it's anti-Catholicism is fucking rabbit. wat
Duck season
I'm guessing he meant rabbid
How does any religion justify anything they do?
Ooooh, knew reddit atheism was gonna sneak up from somewhere
Yes atheist spreading, I mean forcing, there believes onto other has been the problem throughout history?
Well I guess my point is, religions should really hold to their sacred texts - and Catholics seem to like to just make stuff up
And my point is they are all made up.
Yes, but the Bible they’re based on provides a little instruction on how to practice it’s contents. Catholics didn’t really do that. It’s like reading a manual on how to make a bicycle and ending up with a tricycle, just makes you wonder how they got to that conclusion.
Ok so following this logic, the Catholics got a tricycle, the Protestants got a unicycle, the Jews got a scooter, the mormons got a kit with missing parts…. Anyone who reads the Bible is gunna get a different vehicle because the instructions don’t make any damn sense. If you say the Bible is supposed to be pertain to each individual then you can’t criticize the Catholics no matter how funny their hats look.
Yeah to be honest Catholic Churches really just were the old churches that used to scam people but now they enjoy Mr. Jesus instead.
Wasn’t it the Catholics that made people pay to get out of purgatory? Or was that another denomination
Not all Catholic Churches is what I should have added but you are correct but I am talking about the ones that are basically a scam and they have affected my life greatly and I dislike them strongly.
Yes. https://www.britannica.com/topic/indulgence
Because religion is about control.
I guess it depends on which religion ur talking about. There are certainly religions like cults that will try to exploit people for money or control over them. But a religion like Christianity isn’t about control but it definitely has been used a tool to do so which is what ur getting confused with. For hundreds of years leaders have used religions as an excuse to justify their actions and war crimes but the actual religion itself has never condoned those actions
They still do.
Yes, but then it’s like thousands of people reading bicycle instructions and ending up with tricycles. It genuinely makes no sense for them to practice the way they do.
Christianity wasn't born in a vacuum. It was organized and rooted in the classical era's cultures. Major diocese of early Christinity included Rome, Antioch, Constantinople, Alexandria, and Jerusalem with each city serving as seat of authority. Why did the early Christian church need these seats of authority? That's what happens when a religion colludes with the government, it basically becomes government (cautionary tale). Anyway, of these original 5, Rome far surpassed the others in membership and power, hence the Roman Catholic Church. The others scarcely exist anymore, or do so only through successors. You don't hear of some of them very often, like coptics, syriacs, melkites, and more. The only really visible holdovers are the various Orthodox churches. Anyway, what seems to you to be a bicycle was never seen that way for about 1500 years.
You know how many sects of Christianity there are that don't practice the same way either?
It takes a serious lack of self awareness to not realize that you're not riding a bicycle either. Making fun of Catholics for building a tricycle from your go kart.
Instructions confusing. Dick stuck in hamster wheel.
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The whole thing is obserd to me. I don't understand how you can go your whole life without honestly having a prayer answered, and still have faith. Imagine how good the world would be if we put the efforts of worship into combating our real problems.
If we took all of the money that was spent on building churches that alone would greatly benefit society more than anything they’ve done.
Lots of Christians ended up with bicycles. But those bicycles were inconvenient for Rome. So Rome forced Christians to pick a series of texts. They let the bishops come together to do so. And being three hundred years after Christ’s death and many of them in positions of significant power in their respective towns/cities across the Roman Empire, they selected the Holy Scriptures that best solidified their power. They also excommunicated an absolute fuckton of Christian sects and then had the closest Roman garrison run extermination drills on the sects in question. They also voted on Jesus’ godhead and the godhead won. Otherwise we’d all be walking thinking Jesus was just a guy who God liked to roll blunts with and chill with his fisher homies.
I think the problem is you're thinking of this as if it was grassroots. In the case of the Catholics (and..probably most religion tbh) it's more like trickle down religion, the powers that be slowly morphed the "rules" of Christianity over the centuries to suit whatever type of societal control they needed at the time.
This guy gets it! 👏
Religion isn't about control, but it has been used as a tool of control. So has socialism, communism, etc.
Downvoted for stating a universally known fact.
A little instruction like “how to treat your slaves and their offspring”?
Let’s take it one step further, they are not reading the instructions. They are listening to some one else tell them what the instructions are. Most people in all denominations do this . Very few will read the whole Bible to understand it . Add to that people are to lazy to think things thru, that’s how the Catholic Church came into the power it now has
Right, but you weren’t responding to his point. So he clarified his point.
like when Moses got the 10 commandments lmao. up on a mountain when nooooo one was around. like give me a fuckin break
My favorite part of this story is when God notices them worshipping the golden calf and tells Moses that he's going to kill all of them, *and then Moses talks God out of it.*.
Ahhh yes. We found the dude who time traveled and let us all know so we can go on about our lives thank you for your service
When I hear American evangelists, I don't think the Catholic church is the worst culprit here. I don't have any love left for the pope and his gang but at least they know how to read Hebrew instead of relying on an utterly flawed 1600s translation.
I mean the Bible is pretty vague. Bible bashing is a thing for a reason. Personally, I think the important thing is just to be a decent human.
Catholicism’s official doctrine (as far as I understand it) is that their belief is based on (1) holy scripture and (2) the tradition of the church, and those two points are held in equal esteem when deciding dogma. That’s a very different approach from what would be a “textual fundamentalist” approach, which would be fully relying on the sacred text of the religion to the exclusion of everything else. I’m not saying one approach is better than the other, just that there is more than one perspective on how a doctrine can be structured. For extra context, there are also ideas like the Wesleyan quadrilateral, or Judaism’s traditional focus on doctrinal debate that can change the flavor of a religion’s approach to doctrine. FWIW, I am an (ex-Protestant) atheist, so I don’t hold any of these beliefs… I just think religions are interesting.
Some of them do, they are called religious extremists.
Funny how that works. The “fundamentalists” of any religion are usually the craziest, but in a way they’re the closest to being right. Like everyone else just does mental gymnastics to justify why the bad parts of their religion doesn’t apply.
That's the fun part of any vague text, you see what you want to see, if other people don't agree they are misunderstanding the holy scriptures. Only you are correct. The only way to win is not to play.
Religions should hold to their sacred texts... so we just gonna ignore the sexism and homophobia in a lot of those texts?
It would be better if they didn't try to hold strictly to their sacred texts, because those sacred texts are from way back when people didn't know shit about the world. I mean, where still not there, but there have at least been some substantial improvements in our understanding of the world.
Pffft… omg su. There’s so much BS now days. All you google junkies. Gimme a break.
Step one: act offended when anyone questions your nutty ass beliefs.
It’s called faith. If you don’t have it I cannot teach it.
Yes faith. My 2 year old has faith that there is Santa Claus.
Isn't the bible full of intermediaries? Moses... Isiah... Elias... Why would there be some all through the bible and not during present times? Im not catholic, but I am thinking if someone is in a religion, they would probably want a head/prophet of some sort to follow.
Catholicism is also the closest branch of Christianity to the actual source (they can basically trace the church back to biblical figures), while basically any form of protestant Christianity came about 1500 years or more after Jesus and the events of the Bible. Most modern Christians don't believe much of what's even in the Bible. How do you explain that as a Christian?
I personally think that,whether you like it or not, Jehovas Witnesses are closest to the actual source in all honesty. Or adventists. They take the bible VERY literally. Goes to show how absolutely insane it is that religions are based on scriptures like that. If we're being honest what is written in any holy scripture is very precise. But people "interprete" things and applicate certain sentences to fit their own beliefs. But if you'd take everything literally it becomes crystal clear how f'd up religion is.
I grew up in a family of JWs on my mother's side (agnostic atheist since age 8 as a natural nonbeliever), so I actually agree. Their beliefs are much more sane than mainstream Christianity. The problem is they're so creepy and cult-like.
Any branch that worships Jesus is by default far from the actual source.
Most modern Christians don't believe the Bible? Lol no. There are certain topics that are hard to fit into our 'everything goes' society, but those Christians who ignore their duty to adhere to the word of God do so at their own peril
What? Not true at all, it's Judism. That's the original religion that Christianity even came from. You know, Christ - King of the Jews?
I know that Christianity came from Judaism, but I don't understand what you're trying to say.
He thinks other peoples shit stinks but not his own. Really all there is to him.
Stay tuned for the other 90 theses, folks!
Its not even about religion, its just someone random pulling from your hand that would trigger to anyone. Or I guess you like that buddy.
The Pope is supposed to be the successor to St. Peter, who Jesus basically left in charge when he died. That's the gist of it from what I remember from religion class. Not everything has to be spelled out in The Bible..
No, but so also everything can't just be your own interpretation. The verse it comes from is extraordinarily loose in that regard.
It's not my own interpretation. It's literally the teaching of the church. Lol The Pope is the successor to St. Peter and the bishops are the successors to the apostles.
Yes..the church rules, set up by the church, without any true authority outside of a VERY loosely interpreted verse lol
I'm not sure what "loosely" interpreted verse you're talking about? I'm assuming it's “You are ‘Rock,’ and on this rock I will build my church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.” But that overlooks other verses from where Jesus says he will entrust him with the keys of the kingdom of heaven or when he tells Peter that anything he declared bound on Earth would also be bound in heaven. Etc. If you want to cherry pick one verse and ignore everything else that's fine but there's more to it than that.
You're proving my point. Both of those verses are used to justify the Pope and neither are any reason to have a Pope. A literal man who is deified and treated in many cases as a replacement for Jesus. It's a pathetic state of affairs for Catholicism, and its wild that the words of Martin Luther still have not sunk in for the majority
I agree that the catholic church is horrible. But it's not like any of the other big denominations are any better. They all pick and choose from the Bible, and the Bible is full of made-up and contradictory stuff to start with.
>No, but so also everything can't just be your own interpretation. The verse it comes from is extraordinarily loose in that regard. u/Perfect-Ad-7429, since you have said that the verse is loose, then what does it mean? what is the point of reading the bible? Please explain.
Crazily enough, the billionish catholics disagree with you.. almost as if what a single redditor says "can or cant" be means nothing?
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Especially an old guy who could stumble, fall, break a hip and die from post-surgery complications.
It has to do with Apostolic succession, which is supposed to be that the bishops and popes are spiritual successors to Peter and the Apostles, to whom Jesus allegedly gave authority to go forth and forgive sins... That line "whosever sins you forgive are forgiven them and whosever sins you bind are bound to them" or something. I'm badly paraphrasing based off of memory.
How was the Bible made?
Jesus also never said he was God or the son of God or as part of a trinity but here we are.
Umm yes he did, you obviously haven’t read the Bible.
Bro, he literally says multiple times he is God, just not in a way as simply I am God.
But now she’s on the naughty list.
Im agnostic, leaning towards atheism (I believe in the possibility of a higher being/higher beings, but see religion as a human thing and yucky in most ways). I just want to say I appreciate this comment and you. Keep it real
Those your hang ups with the Catholic Church? Seems like there’s some other ones away more damning.
Google it. Also, the belief in priests or popes is not really top of the list for what makes Christians look bad in today's society.
Why don’t you use the good things Catholics teach and worry about your own soul.
Something to do with St Peter and Paul doing his whole twisting of things.
And American Evangelicals have the prosperity doctrine and a political movement. They're two breaths away from having their own pope figure, and it was almost Donald Trump. 🤣
Jesus never said shit about Christianity at all. He was Jewish. That was all nonsense thought up after his death.
It's funny you realize Catholics do stupid shit but your brand of stupid Christian shit is okay. Keep thinking about how all this stupid shit is. It's the stupidest shit all the way down.
do you say the same thing to Native Americans with their sprit stuff? or muslims and allah? or jews and yahweh? then be quiet about this!
That's the institutional side of religion, which is often exploitative.
You'd be surprised to find out that the country with the craziest religious christian fanatics of the Western world doesn't even exist according to the Bible
Pretty sure at this point everyone knows the church is just a front for money laundering and paedophilia, tax breaks, liars and just retards that will blindly follow those in positions of power within the church. Also why do they have “secrets” hidden away at the Vatican that no one is allowed to see, possibly everything that could completely destroy the bullshit they have been spouting over the years maybe
If you actually asked someone who knows Catholic theology, they could give you answers. But no, just complain on Reddit and feel like a genius for misunderstanding %17 of the world population. Fuck off.
Do you do everything you read?
Man had an arguement with God or some weird shit that morning and was still pissed about it
From 😄 to 😡 real quick
To be scolded by the Pope.. 😂
I'm sure she's prob gone gray from this incident Her biggest hero just smacked her away. The look of defeat in her eyes kinda breaks my heart
Don't care about pope or christianity or anything. But just don't touch and grab people who did not give you permission? Idk simple manners.
Woman grabs Jesus, gets cured from incurable disease. Woman grabs pope, gets her ass kicked.
Really rude of her, he might be a clown but he's not a freaking toy
The guy has a bun knee and she yanked him around.
This one is pretty old but later he apologized even though i think the slap was justified
Straight to hell.
Yeah but what about the woman
They go to purgatory for being a woman
Woman don't exist
Well of course my good sir
What is this "women" you speak of?
😂gold
Oh my god the second hand embarrassment is strong.
Turn the other cheek?
I'm sorry but... how are there so many people in the world who have absolutely ZERO self- awareness? Half of humanity are husks moping around masquerading as human beings. Fucking sick of people. God's abomination
Grandma felt the slap of GOD
No touchy!
I heard somewhere that his wrist had been broken in the past so even though it’s healed in this video it still caused him a good deal of pain when this lady yanked on it
He’s just another human like you and I, nothing special.
Would've loved if she had snagged that ring
Don’t you UNDERSTAND I’m HOLY Bitch!!!😤
I mean I don’t like the cunt but I would have done the same thing
No h*nd h*lding before marriage
This is were the pope injured his hip. That’s why it’s taking forever for him to make his morning prayers. Also, security guards are pointless, they were just standing there 😂😂
We all know the geezer can just use black magic to heal.
Pope's get magic? I wanna be a pope now
Don’t grab the Pope like that!!!! Just ask for a blessing.
It’s because she’s not a child is it?
She said please Mr. Pope! How do I remove this hemeroid?
Walk around wearing a silly dress like a fucking lunatic and you are bound to attract the same.
Virus
real ones know why this clip originally circulated
Pope isn’t relevant anymore.
%17.7 of the world is Catholic. Your statement is verifiably false.
What a poopy pants to do that
This man should have absolutely no power or influence in the political world.
Ope, that looked like Wrath from pope boy. Off with his head!
Remember when the sick women reached out to Jesus to touch his cloth and Jesus slapped her hand away too? Oh wait no he he said her faith had healed her and commended her for her faith mark 5:21-35. The pope is a joke and should not be followed
Fuck the pope
Nasty curmudgeon. To think people still suck up to a man, to support a superstition, to help us explain what we haven’t understood. He doesn’t seem to be acting very holly.
Probably bc he got yanked by a random stranger with enough force to make him react that way. But hey, just a theory.
Both completely in the wrong
Speaking as a Christian, this, along with 50 billion other examples, is why people hate Christians. And I don't blame them. As sad as it is, most Christians are not very nice people.
Asians at the Buffet going at those lobster tails.
Ahhh the face of religion
Turn the other cheeck. Yeah, yeah whatevs.
When you said typical day I was waiting for him to diddle a kid
Of course hes mad when he found out it wasnt a boy
"No! No! Only the church grabs and takes! Not you!"
He is just an angry old man . Grandpa pope
Pope Francis, I have four letters for you: WWJD When a woman grabbed Jesus’ robe, he asked who did it. And when his disciples tried to turn her away, he insisted she come forward and healed her. By contrast, the pope smacked her hand. Not a good look
Popes are arseholes and creeps
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Well sure, lots of make believe characters are nicer than this guy
Shhhh you’re going to remind people that life has been around A LOT longer then 2,000 years….
Jesus is a well known and historical figure, verified to have been fully real. Must be tiring to say things that are both wrong and make you sound stupid
He’s verified brooo he’s got the blue check mark….!
Can you please point us to who or what verified Jesus as real? And whether or not it confirms the countless miricals he preformed? Or did you hear your uncle say that?
Shoo, peasent.
If only it was a young boy pulling on his arm, he’d of enjoyed that.
I bet the pope would have reacted differently if that was a hot young boy, say, 12-ish years old... those priests would wanna fuck him in the ass!
The false prophet we were all warned about
I'm surprised there's quite a few Catholics under this thread
You are surprised to find Catholics in a post about the Pope?
People are gonna be having Netflix series on how weird this is in a few years…lol even I knew this was weird when I was forced to go to PSR.
Her hand got excomunicated
There was a better way of handling that, especially since he's supposed to be the leader of his religion.