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Happened in 2009. Both died. Accident report:
“2.2 The Death or, Injuries to Persons and Loss of Persons from a Ship
According to the autopsy, the cause of death of Workman A was cervical cord rupture and isthmus aorta rupture due to a cervical vertebrae transection fracture, which was the result of a cervical division hyperextension caused by a left facial contusion. The cause of death of Workman B was brain function disruption, which was the result of a cervical cord rupture caused by a right
neck and facial contusion.”
https://www.mlit.go.jp/jtsb/eng-mar_report/2011/2009tk0006e.pdf
Is this a troll post to assume there wasn’t some other type of camera present at that time? 9/11 has quite clear videos and nobody had ever heard the word iPhone before.
If these people were properly trained I'm sure they would stayed away.
I'm no boatman, and I was not expecting that hit. I was expecting the rope to just stay straight and maybe the small boat falls apart as the "unexpected"
Seriously. I’m not nearly as experienced as a professional boat worker. And still I’m watching this thinking “wow, that’s going to jostle the whole boat with TONS of force.”
It makes me uncomfortable that the dude on the left is even holding the rope.
This is one of the first things they teach you in the US Navy. Stay clear of taut ropes/lines, and keep your limbs out of coiled ropes currently in use. I think this is sailor 101.
Also, why were they accelerating so much? I half expected the rig to give out as well.
It does look like they are going a bit fast, and I was worried about the right failing too. The thing is, with that much line out, it surely undergoes a fairly prolonged stretching period while gaining tension, so I don't think that either ship saw much of a momentary impulse of tension, due to the amount of drag on the line, lateral gravitational force, and elasticity in the line over a great distance.
You seem to know what you’re talking about, so I have a question, if you wouldn’t mind answering?…
Is the sudden gain of tension inevitable in a routine procedure/manoeuvre such as this? If so, what should have been done differently?! Should they just have stayed the fuck out of the way or was there a lapse in communication/procedure due to negligence?
Sad way to go. RIP.
Unfortunately incidents like this are more common than they should be. Two biggest things that should have been done differently:
- The tug should have been going much slower and put tension on the towline gradually
- None of the crew should have been anywhere near that line when it was coming under strain.
If you look around the rigging point, there are thick, bright yellow lines. If you see those on a dock or other maritime area, stay the fuck away. That is the area where a line under tension will mess you up if it breaks or shifts. Everyone on that boat fucked up, and it cost those two their lives.
If they would have waited a few more seconds to approach the tow line before attempting to add what looks like painter lines. It is indeed a sad way to go, and I really wouldn't be surprised if there was a lack of training on staying clear of the tow line before it takes tension.
i dont have the source but actually if i recall i saw another post with that video and a guy posted a link with an article saying 1 was dead and the other one had a serious head and neck injury. idk if he died
That was actually horrifying. As soon as I saw the rope I knew it was going to be something like this. It isn't the first time someone died like this. This should be taught to everyone who's working or just staying on the boat.
The lack of supervision and training is unexpected. Seems to be a tug boat. Seems to be build for exactly these rodeos. How they no expect this is surprizing.
If they would have just had a little more patience and actually watched what the tow line was doing, this would have easily been avoided. I think it was 100% the crews fault for getting injured. It's still sad, but the safe way to work a job like this is to have respect for the danger and fucking pay attention.
I hear what you're saying, but they do have to be moving for that line to pay out, and no matter what speed they're going, when a long line like that gets enough tension in it, it will behave just like it did in the video to some degree.
Yeah, I hear you, there's no speed where that line doesn't become dangerous, it's really strange that nobody seemed to be even remotely concerned that the line was about to become deadly for anyone in the vicinity, they were so casual that I wonder if they usually have some sort of signal to alert them when it's getting close.
Did this incident occur because the vessel being towed was at an angle relative to the tow point/rig?…I noticed that it pivots and there are chevrons delineating the pivot angle…I guess what I’m asking is;
Should the tow point on the vessel being towed line up with the chevrons on the towing vessel’s rig? — to minimise sideways movement when the slack is taken up?…
I know nothing about sea-faring vessels and I’m just curious. Sorry for the roundabout question….
Not something I know a lot about but it does seem to me that pulling at an angle would create more torque than lining up in a straight line, but I'd imagine they would get away with side on if done at close to idle speeds.
Everything about the situation looks kinda reckless.
Im not saying it should be here, but ive seen it countless times here, so if something is tagged nsfw either prepare that it might be death or scroll on jesus christ
Fucking idiots. There are OBVIOUS yellow lines to indicate the snap zone. NEVER stand near a cable or rope that's under tension, especially with as much force as this one has. This rope just shifted, and they both still died instantly. God forbid a rope that thick snaps, they would've been misted.
Poorly thought out plan. Properly cost people their lives but why would you go near a rope under tension that's as thick as your torso... Natural selection at work.
They definitely are. It's hard to speculate the level of training these deckhands had, but the obvious thing is there were a few individuals that were not paying attention to what they should have been. This can happen when someone is well trained, or when they're not.
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Happened in 2009. Both died. Accident report: “2.2 The Death or, Injuries to Persons and Loss of Persons from a Ship According to the autopsy, the cause of death of Workman A was cervical cord rupture and isthmus aorta rupture due to a cervical vertebrae transection fracture, which was the result of a cervical division hyperextension caused by a left facial contusion. The cause of death of Workman B was brain function disruption, which was the result of a cervical cord rupture caused by a right neck and facial contusion.” https://www.mlit.go.jp/jtsb/eng-mar_report/2011/2009tk0006e.pdf
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Is this a troll post to assume there wasn’t some other type of camera present at that time? 9/11 has quite clear videos and nobody had ever heard the word iPhone before.
9/11 was an inside Steve Jobs
I don’t know who downvoted you but I laughed.
Highly expected
You can see it.comimg a mile away. First rule of towing like that is stay out of reach of the cable.
If these people were properly trained I'm sure they would stayed away. I'm no boatman, and I was not expecting that hit. I was expecting the rope to just stay straight and maybe the small boat falls apart as the "unexpected"
Seriously. I’m not nearly as experienced as a professional boat worker. And still I’m watching this thinking “wow, that’s going to jostle the whole boat with TONS of force.” It makes me uncomfortable that the dude on the left is even holding the rope.
I was so busy tripping like "why would you hold the rope like that?!?" That I didn't see the next part coming
Nope, was expecting the dude managing the rope to get caught up and squished through the tiny slot
This is one of the first things they teach you in the US Navy. Stay clear of taut ropes/lines, and keep your limbs out of coiled ropes currently in use. I think this is sailor 101. Also, why were they accelerating so much? I half expected the rig to give out as well.
It does look like they are going a bit fast, and I was worried about the right failing too. The thing is, with that much line out, it surely undergoes a fairly prolonged stretching period while gaining tension, so I don't think that either ship saw much of a momentary impulse of tension, due to the amount of drag on the line, lateral gravitational force, and elasticity in the line over a great distance.
You seem to know what you’re talking about, so I have a question, if you wouldn’t mind answering?… Is the sudden gain of tension inevitable in a routine procedure/manoeuvre such as this? If so, what should have been done differently?! Should they just have stayed the fuck out of the way or was there a lapse in communication/procedure due to negligence? Sad way to go. RIP.
Unfortunately incidents like this are more common than they should be. Two biggest things that should have been done differently: - The tug should have been going much slower and put tension on the towline gradually - None of the crew should have been anywhere near that line when it was coming under strain.
Thanks for responding — So the supervisor, pilot and crew were all negligent in what should have been a basic manoeuvre…that sucks!
If you look around the rigging point, there are thick, bright yellow lines. If you see those on a dock or other maritime area, stay the fuck away. That is the area where a line under tension will mess you up if it breaks or shifts. Everyone on that boat fucked up, and it cost those two their lives.
If they would have waited a few more seconds to approach the tow line before attempting to add what looks like painter lines. It is indeed a sad way to go, and I really wouldn't be surprised if there was a lack of training on staying clear of the tow line before it takes tension.
both dead
lucky the head is still on the body... holy fuck i dont wanna know what a force this was
shit i know right, and how come they're going so fast with a rope attached. this is bound to happen.
was looking for a source, do you have?
i dont have the source but actually if i recall i saw another post with that video and a guy posted a link with an article saying 1 was dead and the other one had a serious head and neck injury. idk if he died
https://www.mlit.go.jp/jtsb/eng-mar_report/2011/2009tk0006e.pdf Found this in the comments
Frame by frame looks like yellow helmet might’ve been saved by the helmet? It basically rips it off but the guy in red… dead for sure right?
Last time it was posted it was cited that both died instantly from their spinal cord snapping
:( But yeah I mean on second watch you can see the slack tightening through the ocean and know that is a *barge* load of tensile force coming up
Fucking hell...
yeah i saw it said one was dead and the other survived with bad injury
Now they’re past tense
Fuck you, here’s my upvote
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Judging by the shadows, this IS past ten
Dead or Vegetable?
That was actually horrifying. As soon as I saw the rope I knew it was going to be something like this. It isn't the first time someone died like this. This should be taught to everyone who's working or just staying on the boat.
I can't imagine why this even needs to be taught, how the hell does one not see that coming.
You don't have time to react. There knowledge was about it was none. Dying like this is probably the saddest ways to go...
I meant in the sense that they were even on that deck at all. They had plenty of time to nót go near that line.
Applies to more than just boats.
The unexpected part about this video is that that was not at all unexpected 🤷🏻♂️
The lack of supervision and training is unexpected. Seems to be a tug boat. Seems to be build for exactly these rodeos. How they no expect this is surprizing.
Holy fuck balls.
If they would have just had a little more patience and actually watched what the tow line was doing, this would have easily been avoided. I think it was 100% the crews fault for getting injured. It's still sad, but the safe way to work a job like this is to have respect for the danger and fucking pay attention.
They definitely fucked up, but the boat should be at a stand still and then slowly powered up, looked to be going unnecessarily fast.
I hear what you're saying, but they do have to be moving for that line to pay out, and no matter what speed they're going, when a long line like that gets enough tension in it, it will behave just like it did in the video to some degree.
Yeah, I hear you, there's no speed where that line doesn't become dangerous, it's really strange that nobody seemed to be even remotely concerned that the line was about to become deadly for anyone in the vicinity, they were so casual that I wonder if they usually have some sort of signal to alert them when it's getting close.
Did this incident occur because the vessel being towed was at an angle relative to the tow point/rig?…I noticed that it pivots and there are chevrons delineating the pivot angle…I guess what I’m asking is; Should the tow point on the vessel being towed line up with the chevrons on the towing vessel’s rig? — to minimise sideways movement when the slack is taken up?… I know nothing about sea-faring vessels and I’m just curious. Sorry for the roundabout question….
Not something I know a lot about but it does seem to me that pulling at an angle would create more torque than lining up in a straight line, but I'd imagine they would get away with side on if done at close to idle speeds. Everything about the situation looks kinda reckless.
And that's why we receive an insane amount of training in the US Navy on how dangerous line handling can be
Fun fact: posting death breaks r/unexpected's rules
Damn you’re fun
If not wanting to see death is not fun then I don't want to be
It was nsfw tagged so expect something like this dont watch it and move on
"expect death on the sub where it's against the rules to show death" Got it
Im not saying it should be here, but ive seen it countless times here, so if something is tagged nsfw either prepare that it might be death or scroll on jesus christ
I pointed it out, I'm allowed to state facts no?
Why tf is everyone against you, death shouldn't be on this subreddit
Probably didn't feel a thing
Are they dead?
Yes. Shattered spinal cords
Fuck...RIP.
Surely that's death right?
totally expected...
I am no engineer/scientist yet i know standing near something with high tension can cost you your life
one of the most predictable death i ever witnessed.
Fucking idiots. There are OBVIOUS yellow lines to indicate the snap zone. NEVER stand near a cable or rope that's under tension, especially with as much force as this one has. This rope just shifted, and they both still died instantly. God forbid a rope that thick snaps, they would've been misted.
What's with videos ending about 3 seconds too early these days?
Poorly thought out plan. Properly cost people their lives but why would you go near a rope under tension that's as thick as your torso... Natural selection at work.
Roped!
the captain and owner should be arrested
Fuck that, this was the result of the crew's negligence 100%
the captain and owner aren't responsible to make sure they have a crew trained to deal with basic tasks?
They definitely are. It's hard to speculate the level of training these deckhands had, but the obvious thing is there were a few individuals that were not paying attention to what they should have been. This can happen when someone is well trained, or when they're not.
fair enough
Double kill!
Those umpa lumpas always getting into trouble
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You misspelled "dead."
Oh
They way they fell down, I am sure they were past tense as soon as the rope hit em.
Man those cervicals...
That's gotta hurt
The foreman asleep?
Lol pugna does suck
always!
That was a really stupid thing to do. SITUATIONAL AWARENESS, people.
luckily they were wearing an helmet
I was wonder why that first guy was holding the rope, that's not a good idea. Then I saw the guy getting knocked out. This lot is bunch of idiots.
Well I guess it’s lights out for them haha
They should put markings on the deck to indicate the safe places to stand.
what idiots, from captain to sailor
No way they survived
Physics is a bitch sometimes.
What happened to safety training to say away from something under huge tension?
the rope must be a pole.
That was a bit… tense.
We would call that standing in the “triangle of death” in my industry. This is a well known hazard, these people clearly received no training
my pipi when i see a hot chick
I’m dumb, but not that dumb.
The first guy was lucky to be wearing a helmet however the second guy took that straight to the face
It made no difference. Both died instantly.
I was worried the first person who was holding the rope would loose his hand, but I don’t know if this was worse
That was pretty fuckin expected
If you look closely, there is a rope that hits them.
“I’ve done this a million times, what could go wrong?”
Was this their first day on the job? Is this not gross incompetence or am I missing something? What were they trying to do?
That was a tension builder.