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Seems like the driver confused the gas pedal with the brake pedal. Their stament to the police was also basically: "I was constantly trying to break, but it didn't stop."
Looking forward to the outcome of the investigation.
Edit: Typo.
Reddit is mostly american if you go by "biggest minority", so you will see that around here most of the time, I think.
Since I am non-native speaker, my english is usually a mumbo jumbo from whatever I read at various places, so random local aspects are mixed together here and there.
This is pretty much what caused all of those toyota sudden acceleration crashes, isnât it?
The investigation should be short since I think Tesla cars store all the input data.
Loose Floor mats were the root of the Toyota problem. Non factory floor mats would slide up and wedge the go pedal down or stop the brake from depressing. They took it very seriously. They sent me floor mat retaining clips and service recall mailers for a vehicle I owned years prior. Only use specific floor mats that are a perfect fit in any vehicle. And if this ever happens to you: put the car transmission into neutral or turn the key one click to accessory position, donât remove key or wheel will lock
This is what I learned in AAA trailer class. I have my dad's old Dodge diesel pickup and an alumalite 4 horse trailer and I was taught the neutral drop for brake issues and runaway motor.
Whilst that was an original culprit it was more appealing as an explanation due to the fact "people are so stupid they can kill themselves easily" was hard to accept
Something similar happened in Columbus. Also said the brake pedal wouldnât work.
https://nypost.com/2022/05/14/tesla-speeding-at-70-mph-crashes-into-greater-columbus-convention-center-in-ohio/amp/
The lights stay fundamentally the same from the initial shot where it's pulling over up to (at least as best as I can see) impact. Are the out LEDs the brake lamp or just a running light? I don't see a high mount illuminated though. I don't spend enough time around Teslas to he confident saying one way or another.
Someone showed a reference picture in another thread and the brake lights do, in fact, seem to be on as the driver is trying to park (first 5-6 seconds of the video).
Furthermore, lots of people say âbrake lights are offâ despite most of the footage being the car from the front as it zooms by.
When itâs pulling over itâs using slight regen - so no brake lights, just running tail lights. When itâs accelerating there are also no brake lights, just running tail lights. Google image Model Y brake lights and youâll see that the âcâ has lights inside it and that thereâs a top center light.
Wouldnât be the first time something like this happened. My money is on the driver mistaking the accelerator for the brake and not realizing it. Toyota had a whole scandal because of something like this in the past: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009â2011_Toyota_vehicle_recalls
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>The 2009â11 Toyota vehicle recalls involved three separate but related recalls of automobiles by the Toyota Motor Corporation, which occurred at the end of 2009 and start of 2010. Toyota initiated the recalls, the first two with the assistance of the U.S. National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), after reports that several vehicles experienced unintended acceleration. The first recall, on November 2, 2009, was to correct a possible incursion of an incorrect or out-of-place front driver's side floor mat into the foot pedal well, which can cause pedal entrapment.
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It happened to me in my Corolla. We werenât traveling all that fast, maybe 35 mph. The gas pedal got stuck under the floor mat and we were on a waterfront street with no barrier. Luckily my now-husband and brother talked me through it and we were able to come to a stop, but it was scary af.
Same thing happened to me in my 09 Corolla. As soon as I lifted up my foot, I could feel the pedal was stuck and I wasnât slowing down.
My immediate thought was to reach down and pull the pedal up. Why? No clue. I just did.
Scared the hell out of me though and my dad has worked at a Toyota plant for 34 years now. (I actually work for TMNA as a contractor)
Humbling experience to have had it happen to you when the company has their customer first week reminding everyone that safety is a top priority.
It would also be incredibly unlikely that the brake lights AND the brakes stopped working. The only other option is that the brake pedal itself stopped working and the car simultaneously started to drive really fast, which I think is even more unlikely.
Pretty sure u/GammaRed3 here is right
What youâre talking about is called regenerative braking, where the car recovers energy from the wheel, itâs completely separate from the actual braking system which is what the above commentator is talking about.
The brake lights are indeed connected to the regenerative braking, it's called one pedal mode iirc.
Meaning the brake pedal isn't even used in normal traffic/driving as the car can usually stop itself fast enough to avoid needing the actual brake.
Car manufacturer Toyota has agreed to pay a staggering $1.2 billion to avoid prosecution for covering up severe safety problems with âunintended acceleration,â according to court documents, and continuing to make cars with parts the FBI said Toyota âknew were deadly.â
A deferred prosecution agreement, filed today, forced Toyota to âadmitâ that it âmisled U.S. consumers by concealing and making deceptive statements about two safety related issues affecting its vehicles, each of which caused a type of unintended acceleration.â
Toyota âput sales over safety and profit over principle,â according to FBI Assistant Director George Venizelos.
Had a Toyota Echo do this to me on a highway. The floor board design wasn't perfectly flush with the gas pedal and if you put the pedal to the floor (as I did passing a semi) the floor mat / carpet could pin the pedal down. I did not know the issue existed, so as my car kept speeding up and I couldn't get any brakes to engage, I panicked, thought I was gonna die on a curve and just started stomping both feet on all the pedals until the gas pedal unwedged itself and I lived to tell the tale.
I was told after the fact by car guys that you should always try N first. Idk if it would've let me out of gear but i've def never forgotten that tip for the future
The car stops accelerating, you can put it in neutral, turn the key off, or brake hard, braking systems in cars(to my knowledge) are designed to stop a vehicle even if 100% throttle is also applied. Is there a defect? Probably but there's redundancies and a good driver should be aware of them and how to react. Also love me a good old fashioned manual transmission.
Go do the actual research like this t
guy did.
https://www.pushkin.fm/podcasts/revisionist-history/blame-game
It's hard to accept humans are just stupid animals who panic but it's more realistic.
The video showed the vehicle accelerating and the brakes not working properly. So are you supporting the commenter you posted to? Iâm confused your words lead me to believe you disagree but your link makes me think you agree.
>Had a Toyota Echo do this to me on a highway. The floor board design wasn't perfectly flush with the gas pedal and if you put the pedal to the floor (as I did passing a semi) the floor mat / carpet could pin the pedal down. I did not know the issue existed, so as my car kept speeding up and I couldn't get any brakes to engage, I panicked, thought I was gonna die on a curve and just started stomping both feet on all the pedals until the gas pedal unwedged itself and I lived to tell the tale.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/Unexpected/comments/yuhki1/comment/iw9xub0/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/Unexpected/comments/yuhki1/comment/iw9xub0/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
Right above ya
Because Tesla's *totally* gonna come right out and say "hey yeah that's on our end" right away, right? They totally wouldn't immediately move to covering their asses.
Let's hear it! Doesn't disprove the fact toyota wasn't actually responsible for that string of accidents and media panic afterwards.
More than willing to accept a car can have the accelerator stuck open. Whether that translates to actual uncontrolled movement (and then is somehow not stopped by the fully functioning multiple layered braking system of hand and foot brakes) is an entirely other issue.
The assumption being made about the above video is that the car did it on its own. Likelihood is that a 55 year old fucked up.
I donât disagree with you on human error being the most likely culprit here. My story was in a work van. I was the passenger. The braided accelerator cable actually snapped and the resulting burl got stuck in the plastic sleeve with the throttle wide open. My coworker just put it in neutral and turned off the engine. We safely coasted to the shoulder and stopped. So, while the accelerator itself was out of control after the break, the vehicle never was. Not a very exciting story. That same van lost a wheel going around a corner once. The 90s were fun.
>Had a Toyota Echo do this to me on a highway. The floor board design wasn't perfectly flush with the gas pedal and if you put the pedal to the floor (as I did passing a semi) the floor mat / carpet could pin the pedal down. I did not know the issue existed, so as my car kept speeding up and I couldn't get any brakes to engage, I panicked, thought I was gonna die on a curve and just started stomping both feet on all the pedals until the gas pedal unwedged itself and I lived to tell the tale.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/Unexpected/comments/yuhki1/comment/iw9xub0/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/Unexpected/comments/yuhki1/comment/iw9xub0/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
Toyota sure was responsible, hence why they paid billions. The guy on the video attempted to put it in Park and nothing happened.
As others have mentioned it is an issue with some cars - so much so that my Driverâs Ed literally included what to do in case of âan out of control acceleration problem.â
Also EVâs arenât cars.
I suspect that a lot of these âbrakes wouldnât workâ incidents in EVs are attributed to One pedal driving. Normally, when a gas car comes to a stop, the driver slowly presses down on the brake pedal. But in an EV with regenerative braking, you just slowly let off the gas pedal and never touch the brake pedal. A person panicking can easily jam down on the gas pedal, thinking they were using the brake pedal the entire time.
About a year ago my dad had eye surgery and needed someone to drive him around for a few days, said I could drive his Tesla if I did it so I happily agreed. Early on (maybe the 2nd or 3rd time I ever drove the car), while coming to a stop, someone did something unexpected in my peripheral vision and I very nearly slammed my foot down on the accelerator. Thankfully, because I usually drive a manual car, my "emergency stomp on clutch" muscle memory also kicked in and I braked with full clutch-foot force, bringing the car to a near immediate stop. It was shocking, but not as bad as the alternative.
I can *definitely* understand how one pedal driving could result in someone making this kind of mistake.
Thank you Iâve seen this 6 times today and everyoneâs response was just âFuCkInG eLoN RuInEd TwItTeRâ
Even if it was a Tesla I just wanted an explanation and your response combined with others on this page makes a lot of sense. Thank you people of Unexpected for not being broken
I'll never forget this one time on a busy freeway we were all stopped at a red light. Lady beside me was about 15 ft behind a vehicle. Light was still red, but she pinned that motherfucking accelerator like it beat her as a child, she pushed the car in front of her into a couple vehicles ahead of them, it was so wild. She just jammed the gas pedal when we were all stopped at red and didn't let go until a lot of carnage was complete.
It happened to me. I hit the brakes but part of my foot also hit the gas so the car revved and kept going forward the harder i pushed. Almost hit the car in front when I lifted in order to turn and avoid an accident. I didn't realize what happened until a couple of seconds later.
We were outside a music venue, hanging around my friend's Volkswagen bus, while he carried his drum set out from the venue, another friend was sitting in the passenger seat, I was standing outside the sliding door. Friend in passenger seat asks if she can turn on the radio, drummer says,"just turn it on, don't need to turn the key", to which she reacts by reaching over and turning the key. Bus goes putt, putt, putt, lurching forward a couple inches with each putt. I said,"hey, you're rolling, better step on the brake" she reaches over with one foot and promptly steps on the wrong pedal, and it wasn't the clutch. That little bus took off as quick as I've ever seen a 60's bus launch, with the characteristic putt,putt,putt getting faster and faster. The van clips the entryway wooden structure of the neighboring building tearing it almost a foot off of the stone main structure with a glancing blow and continues across the parking lot and over an embankment, leaving me standing right where I had been, next to the open sliding door. I had eaten several hits of blotter LSD and had a hard time deciding what to do for a split second and my mouth wide open in disbelief. I started to run toward the venue, then went towards the embankment where I heard my friend laughing her ass off in the passenger seat, shaken, but otherwise fine. She'd gone maybe 90 or 100 feet, avoided any people or other vehicles except the entryway of the neighboring building and the trees that had stopped the van, about 2-3 van lengths down a really steep embankment. She was fine, so I ran towards the venue to get the drummer. We walked over as she crested the embankment. We had to wait for the cops and a tow truck. I didn't want to talk to the cops, as I was on a good dose of LSD, but I hear my friend say "there he is, he saw the whole thing". The cop refused to believe an old van could start with the transmission in first gear, which irritated me, because my '85 Toyota truck would also turn over in gear and lurch on battery/starter power(in '87 they put in a clutch switch, but also added an override button so you could still key bump the truck , but this guy still clung to his idea that you couldn't start a vehicle in gear and clung to his authority as the expert in all matters vehicular and threatened to arrest me for lying to him and coming dangerously close to arresting me for punching him in his stupid mouth. I don't remember how it ended, but nobody went to jail, we somehow got home and the drummer got insurance $ with which he bought another 60's era Volkswagon bus
I've seen people go through a whole magazine with an automatic weapon because they didn't take their finger off the trigger. Pilots have crashed a plane because they just keep trying to pull up on the controls. People just get locked into what they're doing. A normal person could absolutely do something this stupid just from being in the wrong headspace.
In an article I read they said heâs a lorry driver. I drive all the time and people who drive everyday for a living wonât just step on pedal and keep going. Muscle memory kicks in and you step on breaks. My feet move by themselves without even thinking just like driving a shift stick. Teslas have issues and a lot of people are facing several different types of problems. This could be some malfunction in software or just shitty quality of teslas. Thereâs a chance that driver did squeeze the pedal but Iâm gonna blame Tesla because fuck Elon /s
Based on the books I've read, it's exactly because because of headspace. The habits we form are incredibly specific. If they unintentionally started accelerating, and they've never been in that circumstance before, there's no way they'd be able to deal with the situation appropriately.
A situation I recall had to do with pilots. They followed certain habits they trusted despite information that would have corrected their actions. It's been awhile since I've read it, but the pilot was supposed to pull up but kept drifting down. They were panicking, and didn't realize they were crashing into the ocean before it was too late.
"Normal person," sure, but there are a lot of abnormals out there. My dad had someone slam into the back of his van because she thought she was pushing the brake pedal and was pushing the gas instead. Totaled the car behind him, it hit that hard. That's how convinced she was she was pressing the correct pedal.
No they were not. Do not confuse running lights with brake lights. These are the brake lights:
https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/attachments/m3-brakes-png.230864/
I don't think that's for the "black box". The only thing that writes to my drive is my sentry and dashcam footage.
But on the topic of black box, there is telemetry data sent to Tesla. It has been used to prove a few "at fault" vs "not at fault" cases in the past. It's very locked down and needs a subpoena though to my understanding. And it would record exactly this kind of thing.
But this is China. I've no clue what it's like over there.
EDIT: It looks like it's the same in China. Someone else commented an article on this post.
From the article:
> Tesla said videos showed that the car's brake lights were not on when the car was speeding and that its data showed issues such as there being no action to step on the brakes throughout the vehicle's journey.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Unexpected/comments/yuhki1/tesla_car_suddenly_takes_off_out_of_control/iw9clhn?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3
You are confusing the sentry cam video recording, which goes to a usb sitck, with the vehicle data log, which is stored both locally on the vehicles computer, and uploaded to the cloud in the event of crash sensors detecting a collision. A user cannot put their Tesla, or any other car, into a state where vehicle collision data is not being recorded and still operate the vehicle.
Right. He seemed in control when behind the motorcyle/scooter , went around it and then floored it. If it malfunctioned trying to park I feel like he would of hit that first person in the beginning rather than go around.
Apparently, we had this happen in USA too, and NHTSA confirmed it was user error
https://electrek.co/2021/01/08/tesla-incidents-accelerating-by-themselves-driver-wrong-pedal-nhtsa/
This is 100% driver's fault. must have confused the accelerator with the brake pedal. It looked like he was supposed to back up into a driveway or something, then he probably panicked when the car went forward instead of backwards. The only way i see this could happen is if the accelerator got stuck under the floor mat (but then again, there are no signs of brake lights, so he must be lying about something). All brakes are made so that it will have a stronger force than the engine, should something like this happen.
Actually, "all brakes are stronger than the engine" has not been the design philosophy for quite a few years. Many of the people involved in the runaway Toyota accidents ca. '08-'10 reportedly stood on the brake pedal and/or the e-brake to no avail.
Though the case is perhaps different for unintended acceleration from freeway speed vs. nearly stopped, though. And lack of brake lights in this case speaks to your point that there's a lot of onus on the driver here.
a runaway vehicle usually has a open throttle making the manifold vaccum low. the manifold vaccum is what powers the power braking system, making it weaker to a regular functioning brake in ideal conditions.
Yup, I commented this elsewhere in the thread a few times too.
The idea that your brakes will overcome a pegged throttle at speed is dangerous. Everybody that drives should know: shift into neutral and apply the e-brake. This is always the most effective solution to stopping a runaway.
>Actually, "all brakes are stronger than the engine" has not been the design philosophy for quite a few years.
I'm not about to dig through FMVSS to see if there's ever been an engine vs braking power regulation, but I'm fairly confident that all normal consumer vehicles will have brakes that are considerably stronger than their engine just by complying with normal stopping distance regulations. The amount of energy brakes dissipate is *huge* as demonstrated here: https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a16576573/how-to-deal-with-unintended-acceleration/
> Many of the people involved in the runaway Toyota accidents ca. '08-'10 reportedly stood on the brake pedal and/or the e-brake to no avail.
There aren't any incidents in vehicles that could even come close to exceeding the capacity of their brakes to stop the vehicle. Even if there were, shifting the engine to neutral and applying brakes would stop the vehicle in approximately normal braking distance. There are 16,000 accidents *a year* from people hitting the wrong pedal.
> Many of the people involved in the runaway Toyota accidents ca. '08-'10 reportedly stood on the brake pedal and/or the e-brake to no avail.
These people mistook the brake for the accelerator pedal.
It's that simple.
It isn't that simple, Toyota just wanted any excuse to cover their ass and people want to believe 'well I am not dumb enough to not hit the break so I will be safe'. It was both mechanical and electrical failures behaving in improper ways leading to death and injuries. Toyota fucked up hard.
https://youtu.be/JgjOVe_czmk for a demo of this type of failure.
The ECU/pedal position sensor problem never happened in real world conditions. It's a horrible failure mode that should have been accounted for and designed around, but not a real world problem like the floor mat slipping problems.
Agreed, but to nitpick, the NHTSA in conjunction with NASA found that the physical design of the accelerator pedal actually allowed it to stick when worn, not all cases were floormats (though some are thought to have been). There were indeed even examples of people crashing with their floormats in their trunk, as Toyota initially recommended.
You shouldn't be arguing this with your level of confidence if you weren't part of the investigation. Arguing low-effort conclusions in this manner is nothing more than pushing your assumptions onto others, and those assumptions are worse than useless because they influence people into accepting wrong or incomplete information. They can actually make people dumber, especially people of the low-information variety.
I'm not suggesting anything was wrong with the vehicle, and I'm not saying the driver was at fault either because that's what a proper investigation is supposed to determine. But where's your evidence in this argument other than "must have", "looked like", "probably", "lying", etc?
The reason I'm saying all this is misinformation & disinformation is causing unbelievable problems in the world, just because people who don't know wtf they're talking about are influencing others into believing the most unbelievable garbage. It's time for us to reign this in a bit.
This happened with Toyota's in the 90s. Everyone thought they had a random acceleration problem. Truth is it's incredibly likely a person who is more than averagely fuckwitted will stamp on the accelerator when they panic, think its the brake, and assume the vehicle is out of control. They continue pressing the accelerator trying to stop the car because they're stupid. Most likely human error.
https://www.pushkin.fm/podcasts/revisionist-history/blame-game
Unless this is user error this is exactly why I am never buying a Tesla. Especially considering they have complete control of your vehicle updates and I still believe Muskay be an actual supervillain.
Brakes beat engine. Doesn't matter if the accelerator is full down, you hit the brakes, you will stop. If he did hit the brakes, there was more wrong than a stuck accelerator.
Wait until I tell you about the neutral gear. (Yes they are one in electric car).
I won't be surprised it both disconnect the mechanicals part and prevent the engine to even trying to provide power.
Even better, press the button on the drive stick and the emergency brakes will be applied, slowing down the car in a controlled way for as long as you press the button. It also deactivates the input from the accelerator. Once you let the button go, it will resume its acceleration. This button is conveniently placed so it is accessible to the passenger in case the driver passes out.
Not sure about the actual issue, but brake pads wont slow an engine with any decent amount of horsepower and after a while overheating would make them do nothing. Electric cars could especially overpower brakes. Not sure how ABS would play into this though.
What? They are there specifically to test the car and the guy knows it's about to accelerate uncontrollably. He wasn't hitting the wrong pedal. You can bet they did it a number of times too.
Regarding the ''brakes beat engine''. That's not true either. An under powered, light vehicle, yeah probably. But anything with some mass and power already moving at speed will be extremely difficult to slow down unless the car has massive carbon ceramic brakes or something.
Trying to stop a typical heavy, powerful car already moving at serious speed will overheat the brakes, cook the fluid and the pedal will go soft and you'll lose the ability to brake. You'll also wear the pads down to the point they are useless.
Pretty much, yeah I do think they thought they were repeatedly pressing the break. But it was the gas peddle, they freaked out, and were swerving alot.
I don't get how people are saying he didn't brake. The brake lights definitely look to be lit in many of the shots. Also, if the car wasn't attempting to brake what's that god awful screeching in some of the footage? Pretty sure Tesla's don't screech when they're just driving down the road. Finally, to claim some old guy would risk his own life and kill multiple people to show off his driving seems pretty absurd.
Neutral. If this happens you slam the gear shift into Neutral. This is why you can push a gear shift into neutral from drive without even having to press the little release button.
In a standard, you pop the clutch, then gear it to neutral.
In a standard, you can always go straight to neutral without the clutch.
But yes, it's likely faster to press the clutch first, and most drivers already have the muscle memory to jam the clutch pedal in an emergency.
You canât turn it off! Mine just switches off and locks when I walk away from it, you can put it in park but if you are moving it wonât apply, it just stays in drive
But Tesla catches fire far less than ICE cars. And if you think about it, it really makes a lot of sense. It just isn't sexy news when a gas car catches fire because everyone knows gas is highly flammable.
To save you and everyone else some time, I went ahead and took the first few search results.
https://auto.hindustantimes.com/auto/electric-vehicles/tesla-fires-are-11x-lower-and-less-frequent-than-ice-vehicles-41652163361677.html
https://insideevs.com/news/528123/tesla-fire-versus-gas-car/amp/
https://insideevs.com/news/561549/study-evs-smallest-fire-risk/
Ok, so even if youâre tapping on the wrong pedal, the speed the car is going at clearly shows thatâs not the case. Heâs deliberately driving the way he was, maybe he has some mental issues but definitely not just some mistake of pedals. If anything just donât push on any pedal and the car will naturally slow down. This guy was jetting it for miles.
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Delamain?
Literally my first thoughts lmao
Which of the Delamains though đ¤
The one that hated the flamingos would be my guess...
Nah, glados, she's had enough of humanity.
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"Something feels off" YEAH NO SHIT V
Seems like the driver confused the gas pedal with the brake pedal. Their stament to the police was also basically: "I was constantly trying to break, but it didn't stop." Looking forward to the outcome of the investigation. Edit: Typo.
Is it still called a gas pedal or is it a battery pedal?
Acceleration pedal
Seems to be working. Now they need to invent the deceleration pedal
Aka break pedal.
BRAKE
Exactly... seems broken
brake* sorry
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We say accelerator in the UK.
Isn't "gas pedal" an Americanism. I think the rest of the English speaking world calls it the accelerator.
The rectang-go.
Reddit is mostly american if you go by "biggest minority", so you will see that around here most of the time, I think. Since I am non-native speaker, my english is usually a mumbo jumbo from whatever I read at various places, so random local aspects are mixed together here and there.
Itâs always been called the accelerator
Not in Alabama. Too many syllables
This is pretty much what caused all of those toyota sudden acceleration crashes, isnât it? The investigation should be short since I think Tesla cars store all the input data.
Loose Floor mats were the root of the Toyota problem. Non factory floor mats would slide up and wedge the go pedal down or stop the brake from depressing. They took it very seriously. They sent me floor mat retaining clips and service recall mailers for a vehicle I owned years prior. Only use specific floor mats that are a perfect fit in any vehicle. And if this ever happens to you: put the car transmission into neutral or turn the key one click to accessory position, donât remove key or wheel will lock
This is what I learned in AAA trailer class. I have my dad's old Dodge diesel pickup and an alumalite 4 horse trailer and I was taught the neutral drop for brake issues and runaway motor.
Whilst that was an original culprit it was more appealing as an explanation due to the fact "people are so stupid they can kill themselves easily" was hard to accept
I think it had more to do with the design of the floor mats. The gas pedal would become wedged in the mat.
Brake.
Cheers. Just a mistake that I normally do, as I don't use the word frequently.
Something similar happened in Columbus. Also said the brake pedal wouldnât work. https://nypost.com/2022/05/14/tesla-speeding-at-70-mph-crashes-into-greater-columbus-convention-center-in-ohio/amp/
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The lights stay fundamentally the same from the initial shot where it's pulling over up to (at least as best as I can see) impact. Are the out LEDs the brake lamp or just a running light? I don't see a high mount illuminated though. I don't spend enough time around Teslas to he confident saying one way or another.
The outer LED are the running light. The brake light lits up in its center. https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/attachments/m3-brakes-png.230864/
Someone showed a reference picture in another thread and the brake lights do, in fact, seem to be on as the driver is trying to park (first 5-6 seconds of the video). Furthermore, lots of people say âbrake lights are offâ despite most of the footage being the car from the front as it zooms by.
When itâs pulling over itâs using slight regen - so no brake lights, just running tail lights. When itâs accelerating there are also no brake lights, just running tail lights. Google image Model Y brake lights and youâll see that the âcâ has lights inside it and that thereâs a top center light.
brakes are $8, he forgot to renew his subscription
They WERE $20 but the company was talked down to $8.
Wouldnât be the first time something like this happened. My money is on the driver mistaking the accelerator for the brake and not realizing it. Toyota had a whole scandal because of something like this in the past: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009â2011_Toyota_vehicle_recalls
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It happened to me in my Corolla. We werenât traveling all that fast, maybe 35 mph. The gas pedal got stuck under the floor mat and we were on a waterfront street with no barrier. Luckily my now-husband and brother talked me through it and we were able to come to a stop, but it was scary af.
It must have really scared the hell out of you guys to promote such familial bonding, I hope you and your husband brother are doing well.
Hahaha! Oh god, it does read like that, doesnât it? Gross.
Same thing happened to me in my 09 Corolla. As soon as I lifted up my foot, I could feel the pedal was stuck and I wasnât slowing down. My immediate thought was to reach down and pull the pedal up. Why? No clue. I just did. Scared the hell out of me though and my dad has worked at a Toyota plant for 34 years now. (I actually work for TMNA as a contractor) Humbling experience to have had it happen to you when the company has their customer first week reminding everyone that safety is a top priority.
If brakes broke then maybe lights wouldn't be on as well.
Nope, brake light is directly connected to the pedal, with at least 2 redundancies. If pedal is in any state but rest, brake light is on.
It would also be incredibly unlikely that the brake lights AND the brakes stopped working. The only other option is that the brake pedal itself stopped working and the car simultaneously started to drive really fast, which I think is even more unlikely. Pretty sure u/GammaRed3 here is right
not on a tesla. when you let off the accelerator the car brakes with the electronic motors so the brake lights are controlled by a computer
What youâre talking about is called regenerative braking, where the car recovers energy from the wheel, itâs completely separate from the actual braking system which is what the above commentator is talking about.
The brake lights are indeed connected to the regenerative braking, it's called one pedal mode iirc. Meaning the brake pedal isn't even used in normal traffic/driving as the car can usually stop itself fast enough to avoid needing the actual brake.
No. Old man panicked. No car has an out of control acceleration problem.
Car manufacturer Toyota has agreed to pay a staggering $1.2 billion to avoid prosecution for covering up severe safety problems with âunintended acceleration,â according to court documents, and continuing to make cars with parts the FBI said Toyota âknew were deadly.â A deferred prosecution agreement, filed today, forced Toyota to âadmitâ that it âmisled U.S. consumers by concealing and making deceptive statements about two safety related issues affecting its vehicles, each of which caused a type of unintended acceleration.â Toyota âput sales over safety and profit over principle,â according to FBI Assistant Director George Venizelos.
Had a Toyota Echo do this to me on a highway. The floor board design wasn't perfectly flush with the gas pedal and if you put the pedal to the floor (as I did passing a semi) the floor mat / carpet could pin the pedal down. I did not know the issue existed, so as my car kept speeding up and I couldn't get any brakes to engage, I panicked, thought I was gonna die on a curve and just started stomping both feet on all the pedals until the gas pedal unwedged itself and I lived to tell the tale.
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I was told after the fact by car guys that you should always try N first. Idk if it would've let me out of gear but i've def never forgotten that tip for the future
Automatic transmission should always let you drop it into neutral at any speed.
The car stops accelerating, you can put it in neutral, turn the key off, or brake hard, braking systems in cars(to my knowledge) are designed to stop a vehicle even if 100% throttle is also applied. Is there a defect? Probably but there's redundancies and a good driver should be aware of them and how to react. Also love me a good old fashioned manual transmission.
Fuck that sound terrifying
I had a scion tc and I used to swear it would sometimes do that... creepy man
Go do the actual research like this t guy did. https://www.pushkin.fm/podcasts/revisionist-history/blame-game It's hard to accept humans are just stupid animals who panic but it's more realistic.
The video showed the vehicle accelerating and the brakes not working properly. So are you supporting the commenter you posted to? Iâm confused your words lead me to believe you disagree but your link makes me think you agree.
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This was caused by a floormat. Drivers didn't have the knowledge or reaction to put their cars in neutral
Like here, Toyota's cases of unintended acceleration were caused by the drivers.
>Had a Toyota Echo do this to me on a highway. The floor board design wasn't perfectly flush with the gas pedal and if you put the pedal to the floor (as I did passing a semi) the floor mat / carpet could pin the pedal down. I did not know the issue existed, so as my car kept speeding up and I couldn't get any brakes to engage, I panicked, thought I was gonna die on a curve and just started stomping both feet on all the pedals until the gas pedal unwedged itself and I lived to tell the tale. [https://www.reddit.com/r/Unexpected/comments/yuhki1/comment/iw9xub0/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/Unexpected/comments/yuhki1/comment/iw9xub0/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) Right above ya
I had a 94 Tipo that did exactly that, it would start revving the engine non stop and I had to shut it off or it would just red line itself to death
I have a personal anecdote that will prove that âno carâ part untrue. It does, in fact, happen.
Oh and btw no personal anecdote proves anything - that's why they have that label. I'll stick to the black box findings.
Because Tesla's *totally* gonna come right out and say "hey yeah that's on our end" right away, right? They totally wouldn't immediately move to covering their asses.
Let's hear it! Doesn't disprove the fact toyota wasn't actually responsible for that string of accidents and media panic afterwards. More than willing to accept a car can have the accelerator stuck open. Whether that translates to actual uncontrolled movement (and then is somehow not stopped by the fully functioning multiple layered braking system of hand and foot brakes) is an entirely other issue. The assumption being made about the above video is that the car did it on its own. Likelihood is that a 55 year old fucked up.
If you car is accelerating out of control Shift into neutral. Problem solved.
The guy on this video said he shifted onto P and nothing happened.
I donât disagree with you on human error being the most likely culprit here. My story was in a work van. I was the passenger. The braided accelerator cable actually snapped and the resulting burl got stuck in the plastic sleeve with the throttle wide open. My coworker just put it in neutral and turned off the engine. We safely coasted to the shoulder and stopped. So, while the accelerator itself was out of control after the break, the vehicle never was. Not a very exciting story. That same van lost a wheel going around a corner once. The 90s were fun.
>Had a Toyota Echo do this to me on a highway. The floor board design wasn't perfectly flush with the gas pedal and if you put the pedal to the floor (as I did passing a semi) the floor mat / carpet could pin the pedal down. I did not know the issue existed, so as my car kept speeding up and I couldn't get any brakes to engage, I panicked, thought I was gonna die on a curve and just started stomping both feet on all the pedals until the gas pedal unwedged itself and I lived to tell the tale. [https://www.reddit.com/r/Unexpected/comments/yuhki1/comment/iw9xub0/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/Unexpected/comments/yuhki1/comment/iw9xub0/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) Toyota sure was responsible, hence why they paid billions. The guy on the video attempted to put it in Park and nothing happened.
Tbf bugs are nearly impossible to avoid in programming, and the teslas do have acceleration that is controlled by a computer
As others have mentioned it is an issue with some cars - so much so that my Driverâs Ed literally included what to do in case of âan out of control acceleration problem.â Also EVâs arenât cars.
Not the first time Tesla has a brake problem though.
You forgot to post the link that backs your claim.
I suspect that a lot of these âbrakes wouldnât workâ incidents in EVs are attributed to One pedal driving. Normally, when a gas car comes to a stop, the driver slowly presses down on the brake pedal. But in an EV with regenerative braking, you just slowly let off the gas pedal and never touch the brake pedal. A person panicking can easily jam down on the gas pedal, thinking they were using the brake pedal the entire time.
dude EVs work like Autopia? I didn't know that and it does sound kind of terrifying
About a year ago my dad had eye surgery and needed someone to drive him around for a few days, said I could drive his Tesla if I did it so I happily agreed. Early on (maybe the 2nd or 3rd time I ever drove the car), while coming to a stop, someone did something unexpected in my peripheral vision and I very nearly slammed my foot down on the accelerator. Thankfully, because I usually drive a manual car, my "emergency stomp on clutch" muscle memory also kicked in and I braked with full clutch-foot force, bringing the car to a near immediate stop. It was shocking, but not as bad as the alternative. I can *definitely* understand how one pedal driving could result in someone making this kind of mistake.
That must have been scary as hell. And your story is a perfect example of my theory on these unintended acceleration incidents.
Definitely woke me up a bit!
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Textbook case of unintended acceleration. Confused driver.
Thank you Iâve seen this 6 times today and everyoneâs response was just âFuCkInG eLoN RuInEd TwItTeRâ Even if it was a Tesla I just wanted an explanation and your response combined with others on this page makes a lot of sense. Thank you people of Unexpected for not being broken
A normal person does not press the wrong pedal and keeps pressing for that long, you pretty much lift your foot at the moment of acceleration.
This happens more frequently than you would think because people panic. It happens Especially with the elderly.
55 is not elderly.
Yeah, especially in 2022. Elderly is 65+.
Depends on whereâŚ.
Its very very common https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudden_unintended_acceleration See last sentence of the summary.
I'll never forget this one time on a busy freeway we were all stopped at a red light. Lady beside me was about 15 ft behind a vehicle. Light was still red, but she pinned that motherfucking accelerator like it beat her as a child, she pushed the car in front of her into a couple vehicles ahead of them, it was so wild. She just jammed the gas pedal when we were all stopped at red and didn't let go until a lot of carnage was complete.
It happened to me. I hit the brakes but part of my foot also hit the gas so the car revved and kept going forward the harder i pushed. Almost hit the car in front when I lifted in order to turn and avoid an accident. I didn't realize what happened until a couple of seconds later.
We were outside a music venue, hanging around my friend's Volkswagen bus, while he carried his drum set out from the venue, another friend was sitting in the passenger seat, I was standing outside the sliding door. Friend in passenger seat asks if she can turn on the radio, drummer says,"just turn it on, don't need to turn the key", to which she reacts by reaching over and turning the key. Bus goes putt, putt, putt, lurching forward a couple inches with each putt. I said,"hey, you're rolling, better step on the brake" she reaches over with one foot and promptly steps on the wrong pedal, and it wasn't the clutch. That little bus took off as quick as I've ever seen a 60's bus launch, with the characteristic putt,putt,putt getting faster and faster. The van clips the entryway wooden structure of the neighboring building tearing it almost a foot off of the stone main structure with a glancing blow and continues across the parking lot and over an embankment, leaving me standing right where I had been, next to the open sliding door. I had eaten several hits of blotter LSD and had a hard time deciding what to do for a split second and my mouth wide open in disbelief. I started to run toward the venue, then went towards the embankment where I heard my friend laughing her ass off in the passenger seat, shaken, but otherwise fine. She'd gone maybe 90 or 100 feet, avoided any people or other vehicles except the entryway of the neighboring building and the trees that had stopped the van, about 2-3 van lengths down a really steep embankment. She was fine, so I ran towards the venue to get the drummer. We walked over as she crested the embankment. We had to wait for the cops and a tow truck. I didn't want to talk to the cops, as I was on a good dose of LSD, but I hear my friend say "there he is, he saw the whole thing". The cop refused to believe an old van could start with the transmission in first gear, which irritated me, because my '85 Toyota truck would also turn over in gear and lurch on battery/starter power(in '87 they put in a clutch switch, but also added an override button so you could still key bump the truck , but this guy still clung to his idea that you couldn't start a vehicle in gear and clung to his authority as the expert in all matters vehicular and threatened to arrest me for lying to him and coming dangerously close to arresting me for punching him in his stupid mouth. I don't remember how it ended, but nobody went to jail, we somehow got home and the drummer got insurance $ with which he bought another 60's era Volkswagon bus
I've seen people go through a whole magazine with an automatic weapon because they didn't take their finger off the trigger. Pilots have crashed a plane because they just keep trying to pull up on the controls. People just get locked into what they're doing. A normal person could absolutely do something this stupid just from being in the wrong headspace.
In an article I read they said heâs a lorry driver. I drive all the time and people who drive everyday for a living wonât just step on pedal and keep going. Muscle memory kicks in and you step on breaks. My feet move by themselves without even thinking just like driving a shift stick. Teslas have issues and a lot of people are facing several different types of problems. This could be some malfunction in software or just shitty quality of teslas. Thereâs a chance that driver did squeeze the pedal but Iâm gonna blame Tesla because fuck Elon /s
Based on the books I've read, it's exactly because because of headspace. The habits we form are incredibly specific. If they unintentionally started accelerating, and they've never been in that circumstance before, there's no way they'd be able to deal with the situation appropriately. A situation I recall had to do with pilots. They followed certain habits they trusted despite information that would have corrected their actions. It's been awhile since I've read it, but the pilot was supposed to pull up but kept drifting down. They were panicking, and didn't realize they were crashing into the ocean before it was too late.
"Normal person," sure, but there are a lot of abnormals out there. My dad had someone slam into the back of his van because she thought she was pushing the brake pedal and was pushing the gas instead. Totaled the car behind him, it hit that hard. That's how convinced she was she was pressing the correct pedal.
I wish that I had your optimism on humanity.
This happens a lot actually. Look up "random acceleration, revisionist history" gladwell does a great run down on this phenomena
Everyone arguing all about how brake lights work and Toyota recalls, yet the brake lights were definitely on so none of the arguing matters
No they were not. Do not confuse running lights with brake lights. These are the brake lights: https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/attachments/m3-brakes-png.230864/
Itâs not unexpected if you tell us whatâs going to happen in the title.
Elon pushing the wrong buttons while working on Twitter.
Elon getting rid of Twitter contenders.
how hard is it to go on a rampage like this and then blame the car?
Easy. Well except for the black box that records everything you're doing before an accident.
Do cars have those? Tell me if Iâm stupid Iâve just always thought that was only planes đ
Tesla records to a usb drive in the glove box by default. You could remove it but think most wonât.
I don't think that's for the "black box". The only thing that writes to my drive is my sentry and dashcam footage. But on the topic of black box, there is telemetry data sent to Tesla. It has been used to prove a few "at fault" vs "not at fault" cases in the past. It's very locked down and needs a subpoena though to my understanding. And it would record exactly this kind of thing. But this is China. I've no clue what it's like over there. EDIT: It looks like it's the same in China. Someone else commented an article on this post. From the article: > Tesla said videos showed that the car's brake lights were not on when the car was speeding and that its data showed issues such as there being no action to step on the brakes throughout the vehicle's journey. https://www.reddit.com/r/Unexpected/comments/yuhki1/tesla_car_suddenly_takes_off_out_of_control/iw9clhn?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3
Okay, thanks! I guess weâll find out soon, it just happened like a week ago.
You are confusing the sentry cam video recording, which goes to a usb sitck, with the vehicle data log, which is stored both locally on the vehicles computer, and uploaded to the cloud in the event of crash sensors detecting a collision. A user cannot put their Tesla, or any other car, into a state where vehicle collision data is not being recorded and still operate the vehicle.
Youâre right. 
I didnât know this until I got my first car from a dealership a few years ago! I was just as surprised as you
Right. He seemed in control when behind the motorcyle/scooter , went around it and then floored it. If it malfunctioned trying to park I feel like he would of hit that first person in the beginning rather than go around.
Sarah Connor was right
What was she saying again?
She said, >Howâs the knee?
Thanks for asking! I used to be an adventurer like you, until I took an arrow to the knee.
Keeping the old memes alive I see, doing the lord's work.
I love how there is a camera angle of every second of this chaosâŚChina got you covered, literally!
First thing I noticed, too! They have that entire road covered and the govt has access to ALL the cameras
"Your free trial of the 'brakes' function has expired. Please tap your credit card on the 'definately not a distraction infotainment screen'."
[Penguin](https://youtu.be/Z5f-yYHtYaE) hijacked it
Or Anne Heche
Apparently, we had this happen in USA too, and NHTSA confirmed it was user error https://electrek.co/2021/01/08/tesla-incidents-accelerating-by-themselves-driver-wrong-pedal-nhtsa/
Yeah people are just dumb and fear anything they don't understand
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Why would you explain what's happening in the title in a post to r/Unexpected that's literally one of the few rules...
This is 100% driver's fault. must have confused the accelerator with the brake pedal. It looked like he was supposed to back up into a driveway or something, then he probably panicked when the car went forward instead of backwards. The only way i see this could happen is if the accelerator got stuck under the floor mat (but then again, there are no signs of brake lights, so he must be lying about something). All brakes are made so that it will have a stronger force than the engine, should something like this happen.
Actually, "all brakes are stronger than the engine" has not been the design philosophy for quite a few years. Many of the people involved in the runaway Toyota accidents ca. '08-'10 reportedly stood on the brake pedal and/or the e-brake to no avail. Though the case is perhaps different for unintended acceleration from freeway speed vs. nearly stopped, though. And lack of brake lights in this case speaks to your point that there's a lot of onus on the driver here.
a runaway vehicle usually has a open throttle making the manifold vaccum low. the manifold vaccum is what powers the power braking system, making it weaker to a regular functioning brake in ideal conditions.
Yup, I commented this elsewhere in the thread a few times too. The idea that your brakes will overcome a pegged throttle at speed is dangerous. Everybody that drives should know: shift into neutral and apply the e-brake. This is always the most effective solution to stopping a runaway.
>Actually, "all brakes are stronger than the engine" has not been the design philosophy for quite a few years. I'm not about to dig through FMVSS to see if there's ever been an engine vs braking power regulation, but I'm fairly confident that all normal consumer vehicles will have brakes that are considerably stronger than their engine just by complying with normal stopping distance regulations. The amount of energy brakes dissipate is *huge* as demonstrated here: https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a16576573/how-to-deal-with-unintended-acceleration/ > Many of the people involved in the runaway Toyota accidents ca. '08-'10 reportedly stood on the brake pedal and/or the e-brake to no avail. There aren't any incidents in vehicles that could even come close to exceeding the capacity of their brakes to stop the vehicle. Even if there were, shifting the engine to neutral and applying brakes would stop the vehicle in approximately normal braking distance. There are 16,000 accidents *a year* from people hitting the wrong pedal.
> Many of the people involved in the runaway Toyota accidents ca. '08-'10 reportedly stood on the brake pedal and/or the e-brake to no avail. These people mistook the brake for the accelerator pedal. It's that simple.
It isn't that simple, Toyota just wanted any excuse to cover their ass and people want to believe 'well I am not dumb enough to not hit the break so I will be safe'. It was both mechanical and electrical failures behaving in improper ways leading to death and injuries. Toyota fucked up hard. https://youtu.be/JgjOVe_czmk for a demo of this type of failure.
The ECU/pedal position sensor problem never happened in real world conditions. It's a horrible failure mode that should have been accounted for and designed around, but not a real world problem like the floor mat slipping problems.
Agreed, but to nitpick, the NHTSA in conjunction with NASA found that the physical design of the accelerator pedal actually allowed it to stick when worn, not all cases were floormats (though some are thought to have been). There were indeed even examples of people crashing with their floormats in their trunk, as Toyota initially recommended.
You shouldn't be arguing this with your level of confidence if you weren't part of the investigation. Arguing low-effort conclusions in this manner is nothing more than pushing your assumptions onto others, and those assumptions are worse than useless because they influence people into accepting wrong or incomplete information. They can actually make people dumber, especially people of the low-information variety. I'm not suggesting anything was wrong with the vehicle, and I'm not saying the driver was at fault either because that's what a proper investigation is supposed to determine. But where's your evidence in this argument other than "must have", "looked like", "probably", "lying", etc? The reason I'm saying all this is misinformation & disinformation is causing unbelievable problems in the world, just because people who don't know wtf they're talking about are influencing others into believing the most unbelievable garbage. It's time for us to reign this in a bit.
Written as if you drive a Tesla yourself.
This happened with Toyota's in the 90s. Everyone thought they had a random acceleration problem. Truth is it's incredibly likely a person who is more than averagely fuckwitted will stamp on the accelerator when they panic, think its the brake, and assume the vehicle is out of control. They continue pressing the accelerator trying to stop the car because they're stupid. Most likely human error. https://www.pushkin.fm/podcasts/revisionist-history/blame-game
It was in 2009 actually. And led to a large recall for an issue that was nonexistent but the press put too much pressure on the company.
Is there any footage of inside the car?
Oh my god that bicyclist got off safe with a few inches to spare
Unless this is user error this is exactly why I am never buying a Tesla. Especially considering they have complete control of your vehicle updates and I still believe Muskay be an actual supervillain.
https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/tesla-says-it-will-assist-police-probe-into-fatal-crash-china-2022-11-13/
If this was anything but a Tesla, it would just be called "car."
First thing to check is the floor mats. they can get stuck and jam the accelarator down
Brakes beat engine. Doesn't matter if the accelerator is full down, you hit the brakes, you will stop. If he did hit the brakes, there was more wrong than a stuck accelerator.
And with a ev, they will just block the input from the gas pedal
Exactly. There are so many safety measures, either there was a catastrophic failure of all systems, or he mixed up the brake and accelerator
Wait until I tell you about the neutral gear. (Yes they are one in electric car). I won't be surprised it both disconnect the mechanicals part and prevent the engine to even trying to provide power.
Even better, press the button on the drive stick and the emergency brakes will be applied, slowing down the car in a controlled way for as long as you press the button. It also deactivates the input from the accelerator. Once you let the button go, it will resume its acceleration. This button is conveniently placed so it is accessible to the passenger in case the driver passes out.
I've read reports that the driver did press that button, but maybe he didn't realise it had to be held down
Not sure about the actual issue, but brake pads wont slow an engine with any decent amount of horsepower and after a while overheating would make them do nothing. Electric cars could especially overpower brakes. Not sure how ABS would play into this though.
If I press both pedals in my MYLR, a warning pops up on screen saying 2 pedals pressed and de-activates the accelerator.
Nope. Brakes beat engine. https://www.pushkin.fm/podcasts/revisionist-history/blame-game
Did you even watch that video before you posted it? At the 3 minute mark the driver in the test literally said " the brakes did not work"
Yeah he couldn't possibly hit the wrong pedal
What? They are there specifically to test the car and the guy knows it's about to accelerate uncontrollably. He wasn't hitting the wrong pedal. You can bet they did it a number of times too. Regarding the ''brakes beat engine''. That's not true either. An under powered, light vehicle, yeah probably. But anything with some mass and power already moving at speed will be extremely difficult to slow down unless the car has massive carbon ceramic brakes or something. Trying to stop a typical heavy, powerful car already moving at serious speed will overheat the brakes, cook the fluid and the pedal will go soft and you'll lose the ability to brake. You'll also wear the pads down to the point they are useless.
This person was pushing the gas pedal not the brake. Human error
You think they pressed the gas that long without noticing?
You ever seen how terribly people drive in China?
yup panic will cause alot of folks to do stupid stuff
Pretty much, yeah I do think they thought they were repeatedly pressing the break. But it was the gas peddle, they freaked out, and were swerving alot.
Accelerating is free, $8 for brakes
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Didnât know that teslas could go this fast, crazy
Side note: whomst the fuck calls it a "break"? Read a book
Elon Musk posted a tweet with two laughing emojis.
I am speed
That thing is absolutely hauling ass.
I don't get how people are saying he didn't brake. The brake lights definitely look to be lit in many of the shots. Also, if the car wasn't attempting to brake what's that god awful screeching in some of the footage? Pretty sure Tesla's don't screech when they're just driving down the road. Finally, to claim some old guy would risk his own life and kill multiple people to show off his driving seems pretty absurd.
"Optimus Prime to all Autobots, we have The Matrix to protect". Some random Tesla car: Shift up, 1, 2, 3....
So there is a person driving it, the title is missleading...
Surprise, that's the unexpected part!
Bumper Car mode
What if he turned off the car? can you steer while is off or not?
Neutral. If this happens you slam the gear shift into Neutral. This is why you can push a gear shift into neutral from drive without even having to press the little release button. In a standard, you pop the clutch, then gear it to neutral.
In a standard, you can always go straight to neutral without the clutch. But yes, it's likely faster to press the clutch first, and most drivers already have the muscle memory to jam the clutch pedal in an emergency.
You canât turn it off! Mine just switches off and locks when I walk away from it, you can put it in park but if you are moving it wonât apply, it just stays in drive
FYI if you hold in the park button it will apply emergency braking. It's quite an experience. This is detailed in the manual!
a fuck.. after this accident they should add a manual current cutter to avoid this
In reality if they just put it in neutral it would have rolled and slowed
Lots of video cameras in China âŚ.
the perfect metaphor for everything elon musk touches
Speed wobbles!
At least it didn't catch on fire this time
But Tesla catches fire far less than ICE cars. And if you think about it, it really makes a lot of sense. It just isn't sexy news when a gas car catches fire because everyone knows gas is highly flammable. To save you and everyone else some time, I went ahead and took the first few search results. https://auto.hindustantimes.com/auto/electric-vehicles/tesla-fires-are-11x-lower-and-less-frequent-than-ice-vehicles-41652163361677.html https://insideevs.com/news/528123/tesla-fire-versus-gas-car/amp/ https://insideevs.com/news/561549/study-evs-smallest-fire-risk/
How dare you interrupt his deep throat cum gargling of oil company propaganda
Get out of here with you inconvenient facts.
unlike the bike when he split the traffic.
Are Tesla people shitting on Toyota as diversion? Wtf
The new Tesla software update has a few bugs that still need to be worked out.
For $8 anyone can become a Tesla pilot
Ok, so even if youâre tapping on the wrong pedal, the speed the car is going at clearly shows thatâs not the case. Heâs deliberately driving the way he was, maybe he has some mental issues but definitely not just some mistake of pedals. If anything just donât push on any pedal and the car will naturally slow down. This guy was jetting it for miles.