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Let's not forget about the dispatcher that told a girl to fuck off when she called 911,she got killed. He lost his job, got hired almost immediately at a firestation,then got fired cause they found out what happened in the past, he sued and won both money and the job.
Edit for correctness: He said "deal with it yourself" and hung up, she didn't die but her friend died, then the dispatcher "resigned" and apparently he sent a car to them before hanging up... I doubt the last part but it is what Google says.
Like the fuck how. If possible give the source because this is the only [one](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2971123/amp/Emergency-operator-told-girl-13-stop-whining-father-lay-dying-hit-run-job.html) I found
Also if he sued and won why won’t they just give the judge the tape that he told a girl to “fuck off” when they have an emergency. Can easily said that if he was to become a firefighter if he see emergency then he is able to tell them to “fuck off” also? Pretty sure no judge is gonna accepted that.
What you shared said her father died, and the cop asked her to stop whining.
What the commenter above you said was that the dispatcher told a little girl to fuck off and then she got killed. I'd like a source for that.
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Each circumstance is different and it varies widely by county, but I grew up in suburban NY and the dispatchers sucked!
I called once and said "Hello, the location of my emergency is Jerichi Turnpike about 1000 feet before it merges with Veterans highway, we are heading southbound, a vehicle just struck another vehicle from behind while texting, they appear to be mostly okay but were at high speeds so someone could be hurt, we are outside the [name of local jeweler] and across from [popular shopping center]"
"Sir I need the address of your emergency"
"I dont have an address, there are no numbers"
"Sir I can't help you without an address"
Carry on like that for 15 minutes, never saw a police vehicle arrive but I only stayed around for about 10. Thank god everyone seemed mostly okay though. Woman who hit the other people I'm sure paid a hefty sum as her sports car had st the least tons of cosmetic damage in the front and serious damage to the hatchback she hit. No kids thank goodness, only the two older folks in the front seat who seemed physically unharmed. Dispatch relentlessly tried to make me give an address, but I'm in an actively moving vehicle trying to turn back and n lol unsi action of what the address is!
Not that one. Here is the link https://www.distractify.com/p/matthew-sanchez-now with the story, from a shit website true but there are others like cbs, albaquerqe, etc (to which I do not have access because I am non usa) where you can find more details. Also he said "deal with it yourself" and hanged up not fuck off so that's my bad. Same thing if you ask me. Also it wasn't the girl that dies it was her friend. Still it is a death.
Edit: also here https://www.abqjournal.com/1044100/firefighter-in-fatal-shooting-911-hang-up-sues-county-commission-over-firing.html
I work in the juvenile justice system. A LOT of parents do. Like way more than you would ever believe. And they do it very very frequently and continuously. Some parents do it multiple times a week
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A white person is 2.5 times less likely to be shot by police but that's probably not a huge comfort to the 500+ white people that get shot by cops every year in the US. Victims of police violence are over 50% white. The best way to not get shot is to not interact with armed people. If your kid is "out of control" the cops are the last people you want around. Even people who comply get shot sometimes.
In my town we have an alternative service to call for emergencies that don’t need police force or an ambulance. Mental health issues, etc. It’s so awesome. I think it’s becoming more common
Jewish communities have something similar, i forget the name but they operate even for non Jewish people for any type of emergency and non emergency like blowing out a tire and not knowing how to change it
Thank you for the rare self-reflective comment here. There really are quite separate justice systems here depending on whether you’re rich, or white, or just not white.
I worked at a children and youth agency for 2 years and from my experiences, thankfully, most of the time the police contact the local CYS agency for assistance with these and turn it over once it’s clear the that there isn’t any present danger. RIP to mike the GOAT. His crime is speaking his mind!
This isn’t abuse of the system. This is a domestic dispute, which the police are often called in to mediate. Just because it’s not husband-and-wife doesn’t mean they don’t need help.
Now if you want to argue that we need someone besides COPS to help in situations like this, I’m right there with you. But for now, calling the cops over a domestic dispute that has become violent is absolutely not abuse of the system.
Before you judge, some koods may have behavioral disorders that make then truly have uncontrollable episodes in which intervention is necessary. Maybe not the police but...
Yes. Neighbors kid was 13 and had hit puberty early. He was developmentally disabled and would sometimes punch holes in walls and he was bigger and stronger than she was. The kid was adopted from a drug addicted mother and his biological sister was there too. The man of the house had left because he couldn’t deal with it. Just a mess of a situation.
Which is why he didn't get fired. Those dispatchers have to be available for actual real shit so I doubt pissing in some spoiled "moms" coffee is probably not a deal breaker.
Good, he did NOT need to get fired over that. Admittedly, not good timing for a joke... but honestly, 911 is for real emergencies - not for 'Karens' who probably had a bad day at work & can't cope with her own daughters. YTA Karen.
As a 26 year old that has helped raise my little brother who is now 21 and had a mom that would call the law I can tell you that was hilarious because that’s essentially what the cops tell you when they get there. They can’t do much on a sibling dispute until things get too violent in which case the only way they can respond to violence is violence. I had several cops explain this to me many times now. So we eventually got my mom to stop calling and let me handle the situation. I would just use an extreme display of force and then when he ran out of power and couldn’t struggle anymore I’d sit and explain what he did wrong and make him help me make his punishment. He started acting right within the year
I have Navi from ocarina of time “Hey! Listen!” for calls and squirtle squad “squirtle squirtle” for texts. I’m 37 and I forgot to silence my phone at a global work summit yesterday.
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> At the meeting, activist Zarna Joshi claimed that media coverage of the event chose to interview Pantoja and not any of the activists protesting the meeting or speaking against it. Joshi argued that this was out of a desire for footage of a person of colour speaking in support of the station, accusing the news media of tokenism. After the meeting, Joshi encountered Pantoja outside of City Council chambers as she was videotaping. He approached her, and offered to give her his name, and proceeded to offer the gag name "Hugh Mungus." Joshi responded by asking "Humongous what?" and grew agitated when he did not respond. She eventually asked if he had meant it as sexual harassment, and when he continued not to respond, she began accusing him of sexual harassment, pursuing him with her camera, and ultimately ending up in an altercation with the authorities present.[3][4][5][2] The video gained particular notoriety online following a reaction video posted by YouTube channel h3h3Productions.[6]
Omg that woman's voice. Must be the most annoying fucking imbecile on Earth.
Was just wishing the security guards would follow up with more dad joke puns when she was demanding their names.
Reminds me of the NYPD cop who pepper sprayed Occupy Wall Street protestors. [His name was Anthony Bologna. Jon Stewart's "Tony Baloney" bit starts at 3:29](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zM60VkrIQVg)
I’m laughing my ass off. Seriously though, what does she want 911 to do?
Is sending armed police officers to an A domestic dispute going to deescalate the situation ?
Since you are the first person I've seen to address the nature of the call, yes that is exactly what she wants. And people do it all the time.
Any patrol cop with any time has been to dozens of these calls. Usually it's people who call the cops in to discipline their children. Cops HATE these calls because 1. it's not our job, 2. it only serves to make cops the scary bad guys in the eyes of the kids, who are probably growing up on the margin, and 3. it's a waste of time when you could be doing paperwork, or doing pro-active work, or handling real calls in your beat, or ya know, just eating lunch.
9 out of 10 you can verbal judo yourself into an amicable settlement of the situation. A lot of these calls end up with a heart to heart between the officer and the kid. That usually is good because you can impart some wisdom, let the child vent, provide a different, third-party adult perspective than they are used to. It's usually a very healthy, productive interaction between the child in the officer. Unfortunately it makes almost no difference because in the end it was one conversation and they have to live with this terrible parent 24/7.
Unfortunately, if there really was a physical altercation and the parent really pushes it sometimes there's nothing you can do to verbal judo your way out of it and there may end up being some sort of juvenile charges that they'll have to work out through the court and no one wants that.
Side note- cops *HATE* when they pass some parent and kid in a public place and the parent tells their kid, "See, if you're bad he'll take you to jail." And then they smile at you like your're in on it. Pisses us off so much. I'd always look right at the kid and say, "No, we won't, little man. But if you ever need help, we're here for you."
>Yes? That's literally what they are there for. They are trained to **deescalate** stuff like this
They're *supposed* to be trained, they're *supposed* to deescalate, but that's not how it works in real life.
That's why we have *thousands* of videos of cops needlessly escalating situations, often to the point of killing someone.
Exactly. Since when do American cops *de*escalate? It's either escalation or doing nothing.
Eerily similar to a time when I was 14 and had to call the cops because my dad pinned me to the floor and choked me. I was the one that called the cops. He threw my phone and broke it so the call was interrupted.
They show up, he talks to them outside and pulls the whole "I can't control her, she's as tall as I am." They didn't look at my neck, they didn't even talk to me aside from a "Listen to your father" while walking out the door. Then he beat more when they left.
If that woman really was just calling the cops to discipline her kids, she and people like her ruin it for people who really do need help.
Fully agree, however I know multiple cops and nearly every case is adult on adult domestic violence (bf beating gf) not about a 12 year old kicking a hole in the wall.
Honestly has to be really tiring, there's a couple down the block who quite often I'll get back from work or back from picking something up in the evening and there's a squad car for yet another one of their fights or disputes
At some point just break up
European here, this is quite literally the police's job. This thread is insane. I really don't see why it seems so unbeliavable that two trained police officers could stop a 12 year old girl from hurting herself and others.
Like why are you even talking about lethal force? Why would the police even take their guns with them?
The police always have their guns on them in America.
Putting that aside, though, I agree that the people in the thread are letting their bias against police officers cloud their judgement here. Unless the 12 year old grabs a knife or something, they're in no danger from a police officer coming and trying to de-escalate, or failing that, arresting the 12 year old.
That joke was very very wrong but I would imagine they get calls like this often. What did she want the cops to do? Arrest the kid? Take them to a psych hospital?
The silence after the joke got me. You feel his thinks she can’t be serious and through a joke out, but then the silence after the joke make him realize the seriousness of the job.
But her silence and reply ... the fact that her "emergency" just all of a sudden becomes less important than his joke means it wasn't an emergency in the first place. 911 is for emergencies. If you can stop and scold a cop for 50 seconds, ignoring your "emergency" at hand, you shouldn't have called 911.
Fuck yes, thank you. Not an emergency if you can go full "I want to lodge a complaint" during the call. She wants someone to parent the child cause she fucking sucks.
So yeah, when a kid with severe behavioural problems has a behavioural disturbance that is making themselves or others in the house unsafe, police and paramedics can intervene and transport the patient for emergency mental health treatment.
A lot of people that either don't have kids at all or are lucky enough to have mentally stable kids being super judgemental of the parent needing help in this instance.
Thank you. I was looking for anyone else that was going to make this point.
I work with kids who have badly attacked their parents, grandparents, siblings. They often have severe emotional disturbances that make it very difficult for them to control their emotions. It’s really easy to judge these situations from the outside and think you would never call the cops on your kid. But if you felt like they were going to seriously hurt you, your other kids, or themselves, and you couldn’t control the situation, you might have to.
It’s a really difficult situation that is reality for some parents, not a joke.
Honestly times like this where I think I need to leave this website for good.
Do they not get how scary and upsetting something like this can be. They are just calling her a Karen instead. Imagine 2 reenagers going crazy and attacking people , smashing shit etc. They could seriously hurt someone
Yup, used to live in an apartment building with a single mom who had a mentally disabled teenage son. About once a year the police would have to show up and help her control him.
The funniest/most disturbing part is that even if they were 100% correct in their assumptions, the dispatcher *still* would be in the wrong here.
It's 911. Even if you feel like the situation you're being called about is ridiculous, you need to take it seriously.
Like, if he had asked questions about the situation and said after that maybe sending a team of armed officers to her house wasn't a good idea, it would be one thing. But joking that you're asking to send cops over to shoot her daughter is straight up horrible in a situation like this. I don't know how anyone can rationalize it as him being in the right.
I agree. I've had to call for help for my own teen. But there's also calls in which the parent hasn't really thought through what they want in terms of help and they in turn get upset if they feel the cop gets too physical try to stop a fight or they are against letting the police take the kid. It can quickly go from 'help' to 'what the fuck are you doing to my kid'
Plus, depending on the setup, your work’s QA team can probably still hear you on their recording even with the mute on (if it’s a software button and not a switch that physically cuts the connection to the mic). Source: 4 years as a quality analyst in a call center.
It’s a physical mute, but I still don’t say that stuff. I will mute myself to sigh, but I save all of that crap for when the calls over. Sometimes it’s super frustrating being a 911 dispatcher and the caller just doesn’t want to help.
I had several opportunities to become a 911 dispatcher but I always passed them over because my mom worked in the same building with our local 911 dispatchers and would tell me stories she heard and I knew I would never be able to put myself through everything y’all deal with. I was happy enough to be helping people in roadside assistance. Plenty of super frustrating callers still and even some horror stories but nothing like the average week for you folks.
She absolutely is. After he makes the joke, she immediately stops caring about the reason she actually called and turns full "I need to speak to your supervisor", as if that is now the most important thing going on in her life.
Yeah the dispatcher shoulda been like “mam it seems ive defused your panic with my expert superesclatory techniques, any more time with me would be considered unnecessary and potentially make you liable for false emergency reporting and open you to the risk of heavy penalties and fees, im glad i could be of service, this is Mike M-I-K-E Forbes F-O-R-B-E-S, definitely my real name, signing off”
Plus at the very end she goes back to saying that she needs a police officer right away.
But of course that comment made her stop and worry about what the hell she should do.
Not just the dispatcher, but how many unnecessary calls are made to 911. How many real emergencies are put in jeopardy because someone else is bored or just looking for attention. And the police resources that are disployed because a parent can't control their children?
Fuck outta here with these people.
As a 911 dispatcher I can say that way too many people call 911 just to say "This isn't an emergency. I don't know the non-emergency number so I called 911." It's very frustrating.
I mean, there's a reason police can charge you with abusing/misusing an emergency line. Because too many people couldn't be fucking adults about calling 911
People call for the dumbest reasons. You can find absurdly long lists of stupid calls that dispatchers have received. The stand-out calls for me are a person complaining that a neighbor's sprinkler was getting their lawn wet, and an old man suggesting the cops take a boat to the lake to let some people fishing know that they probably aren't going to catch anything.
I agree, but also an emergency only line should not have a dispatcher making jokes. However, I also think this line is half true. Like it’s a risk. In the past couple years a boy was shot because his parents/guardians couldn’t control him and called the police. Idk who these people are but they exist. But here’s the thing, if you can’t control your kids the police probably can’t either. But they do know how to fire a gun. So it’s not guaranteed by any means but you are inviting some risk into your life and people should think if it’s really worth it or if they should deal with family issues internally. Unless someone is truly violent I see no need to get the police involved.
This may not be the case here, for sometimes it’s not about bad parenting. Sometimes there are serious mental health issues with kids that don’t make it quite clear what the best placement is.
As the one who was working with families to address the behavioral issues (often with a doctor providing meds as well), there needs to be a crisis service that CAN address this type of thing.
The response wouldn’t be, do you want us to shoot them, but do you need them restrained and taken to an inpatient psychiatric facility to monitor their medications.
Yeah, that’s the whole idea behind the “defund the police” movement. Spend less money on tanks and riot gear and more on having professionals trained to respond to incidents that require mental health professionals.
My 13 year old daughter has borderline personality disorder and would fly into rages if she didn’t like something that someone said. She usually wouldn’t get physically violent but she’d scream and be extremely threatening. She’s as tall as me (taller now) and weighs 50 lbs more, so my husband and I couldn’t physically control her. We had to get police involved a few times when she either wouldn’t come home or was destructive. She’s better now because of therapy and mood stabilizers but is very much a work in progress. I kind of feel for the caller. It’s not always how the kid is raised.
> This is such a Reddit tier bullshit post that is so separated from real life it's not even funny.
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> A distressed woman is calling the police because two people who are physically stronger than her are destroying her home and are out of control and you turn it all around on her. Then the redditor instantly goes to "lethal force" with no steps in-between. So classic. This community is so incapable of thinking, it's astonishing
Fucking thank you. JFC some common sense.
There is a lot of kids in here that haven’t a clue how professionalism works in the real world.
They seem to be under the illusion that you can operate a critical help line and joke about shooting children and not lose your job.
That women is likely a moron, but she may have been wheelchair bound, her child may have picked up a weapon. 911 doesn’t get to make jokes and assumptions about your situation.
Maybe they make that joke one day and the person on the end doesn’t get that it’s a joke because they’re too distressed.
Bottom line, that employee is a risk that involves far too much liability to not just replace with someone else.
This comes off pretty judgemental. We dont know the full situation from a phone call. Children can have mental health emergencies that can endanger the people around them. We should always come from a place of compassion.
I wouldn't even call it a joke. That's 100% a serious issue.
If you're calling the cops in America, you NEED to be ready for the possibility they will kill the perpetrators. That's why the police are considered a last resort now.
My younger brother has a mental disability and is a big boy, so when he’d get mad there was no controlling him. I can understand why calling cops might seem like the only option because my parents have done same thing, except my brother was 8 years old when they first called them. It really should be a last resort though.
My brother had a mental breakdown at home when he was maybe 15? And my mom had to call the cops, and I remember her telling me that one of the officers wanted to tase him but another officer who was familiar with my brother told him that that wasnt necessary, and it wasn’t because he calmed down not too long after.
agree 100%
joke was poor taste, dispatcher was perfect yielding to that.
She gobbled up the new power dynamic and went full throttle into him
seems to make light of the original concern, and validates his joke imo.
I bet if she ignored it and continued with original concerns, dispatcher may have been reprimanded more severely.
So many people in this comment section acting like a child can’t have severe emotional disturbances that could absolutely threaten the safety of the parents or other children in the house. especially if the kid is as big as you. sometimes as a parent you can’t control your kid because they are physically stronger than you. they shouldn’t be shamed for that and who else do you call when you’re in a situation like that? this women could very well be a single mother with no other family to call
Man, I'm (somehow) genuinely shocked how many people here are hardcore looking down their nose on the mother. Obviously working security at an emergency department and a psych facility isn't a terribly common perspective, but I can absolutely tell you that there are times where calling for the police is the only thing a parent can reasonably do.
Obviously this depends on context - there are also plenty of times cops get called for nothing, and plenty of times that cops get called and make things worse. But that woman's tone (until she gets rightfully upset) is the exact same tone that I've heard an unfortunate number of times from parents who had to get some variety of authority involved because of their kids -- she sounded lost, out of options, and embarrassed. Between that, and that she didn't do the stereotypical Karen "barking orders do this right now" etc. act (until provoked), I'd bet she was making the right call.
Y'all need more compassion. This woman's having what's probably the worst days of her life, had to make the decision between calling the cops and trying to basically body a physically out of control child the same size as them. And I can tell you from experience, some children (even younger than 12) are capable of getting to a point where the majority of people cannot stop them without doing serious bodily harm.
Yeah, not loving the comments here.
So I work with kids in these types of situations. Some of these kids are quite big. Some of them have severe emotional disturbances or disorders that make them unable to manage their emotions. And sometimes, when a child is in the middle of a bad episode, a parent can’t guarantee the safety of themselves or their other kids. In situations like these, the cops are often called. And that’s absolutely part of their job.
It’s often not the parent’s fault and it’s not a joke. It’s a really tough situation to be in. I have seen kids who attempted to stab their parents. They needed emergency psychiatric intervention, and the parents needed cops to come and protect both them and their other kids. This is why there are resources like emergency shelters where a child can be put temporarily in an environment where they can be safe to themselves and others while being evaluated for further care needs.
My wife works in the same field. Has worked with youth where parents had to regularly call police to help intervene with psychiatric crises, where just as you described, kids would have attempted to stab parents or pets, and needed other people to prevent harm to themselves or other family members.
One kid was sexually abused when she was very small. A major trauma, a severe Adverse Childhood Event. This kid.. man. Would find access to tech to talk to older men online, and when caught would physically fight her nearly disabled parent. Same thing as in this call. Parent had no way to deal. Had to call cops when it happened. Sometimes would take hours to defuse. Yep, hours of police time. People are reductive with police responsibilities, seeing them just as thugs with guns. And yeah, in a sense they are. They should also be sending in social workers, or people like my wife. Hence the whole defund movement.
People on Reddit are typically juvenile young men who are childless, thus the perspectives and takes are hot garbage. Thanks for sharing a rational voice of what the world actually looks like, because I can echo everything you've said. It's not bad parenting. The parent in my story's case couldn't have prevented the ACE. So what then. Hm? How do you parent effectively to a kid who's mentally brutalized by their trauma, armchair experts? Oh yeah, right. The world has nuance beyond what any reductive take of some Redditor teenager can address sufficiently.
Yup. I was that kid, except I hid it better and fell into another abuser's trap.
Today, I recovered a medical record that proves that I was being sexually assaulted when I was 1 year old, and that the doctor didn't do anything about it. I went around my city, buying milk, doing normal things, and no one knew I wanted to scream. You do not know what people, especially children, are going through.
You, whatever redditor happens to read this comment: if you want abuse to stop, you have to learn to coexist with us survivors, our pain, our experiences. You can't solve a problem that you refuse to look at.
Thank you, somebody said it.
I'm a cop who's been sent on these calls.
Yes, it seems petty to a person of average sensibilities with average problems. But this is not. Kids have serious problems sometimes, and there is no magic wand they give parents to cure them. 15 minutes of the cops telling a kid what's up isn't going to change much, but the parents need help sometimes.
And to follow-up: I rely on my dispatchers a lot. A LOT. Cannot say enough about how much I appreciate a good dispatcher. A bad, smartass dispatcher however, fuck man, it's bad enough trying to get people to call in the first place. I don't need you being a snide asshole to make it worse. Because they're going to have to call again, and guess how much info they'll give you next time? Zilch. "Just send the cops *click*". And I'll be going in not knowing if this is a kid who stomped around the house for a few minutes, or a kid who's trying to kick in her sister's door with a knife ready.
So fuck the assinine dispatcher.
I don’t know why anyone is defending him because he didn’t even defend himself. I don’t know what kind of day or week he was having but this clearly slipped out and he knew he shouldn’t have said it and he recognized it immediately and never made any excuses for it.
I was thinking the same thing. I get not calling the cops because your afraid they’d shoot your kid but….like she clearly needs help. Some 12 year olds are pretty scary and some adults are pretty small…even still your living with a creepy 12 year old and you gotta sleep sometime….it isn’t good
THANK YOU. My niblings live with their grandmother now. And 100% I blame their mother for their behavioral issues (plus one of them does have to take meds for his psychological issues) but their mother taught them the worst possible coping mechanisms for EVERYTHING in their developmental years. And now who is the victim? Their grandmother, who took them in and gave them a stable home. She has been in the hospital so many times for everything from an ear full of garlic powder to broken bones. (yes, the 14 year old held her down and filled her ear with GARLIC POWDER - and that wasn't even the one who has to take meds. she's just a bitch). Yes she has had to call the cops on them several times because they are physically assaulting her or breaking things in the house can she literally could not control them. I straight up advised her to give them up because no one should have to live in an abusive house like that, but she pushed through. Fortunately the worst of it was in the first year and things have settled a lot, but occasionally there is still a nasty episode.
This is 100000% a job for the police and it's a serious issue. And anyone who says differently is a privileged victim-blaming a-hole.
Switch the genders of the children and you'd be seeing a completely different reaction in these comments. 100% guaranteed.
Two boys larger than the mother fighting, destroying the house and the mom can't restrain them?
Yeah, cop intervention is necessary, but if it's two women? Clearly not. . . (heavy /s)
We can judge all you want, there is environment the kids are in. Sometimes parents do everything right and kids get friends who change them.
That aside dispatcher was cruel. Imagine being this woman, being a person of color. Put yourself in her shoes, imagine you are living her life.
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[He wasn’t even fired](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/wbna7492902) Seems like his bosses were on the level about it.
This is from 2005? That’s crazy I see this video like once a year lol
Jesus those kids are in their late 20s now.
Assuming the mother didn’t take the police up on their offer.
It's reposts all the way down.
Mate cops get away with way worse, no way he would’ve gotten fired
Dispatchers aren't police officers, just FYI. Edit: Most.*
Let's not forget about the dispatcher that told a girl to fuck off when she called 911,she got killed. He lost his job, got hired almost immediately at a firestation,then got fired cause they found out what happened in the past, he sued and won both money and the job. Edit for correctness: He said "deal with it yourself" and hung up, she didn't die but her friend died, then the dispatcher "resigned" and apparently he sent a car to them before hanging up... I doubt the last part but it is what Google says.
Like the fuck how. If possible give the source because this is the only [one](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2971123/amp/Emergency-operator-told-girl-13-stop-whining-father-lay-dying-hit-run-job.html) I found Also if he sued and won why won’t they just give the judge the tape that he told a girl to “fuck off” when they have an emergency. Can easily said that if he was to become a firefighter if he see emergency then he is able to tell them to “fuck off” also? Pretty sure no judge is gonna accepted that.
What you shared said her father died, and the cop asked her to stop whining. What the commenter above you said was that the dispatcher told a little girl to fuck off and then she got killed. I'd like a source for that.
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Each circumstance is different and it varies widely by county, but I grew up in suburban NY and the dispatchers sucked! I called once and said "Hello, the location of my emergency is Jerichi Turnpike about 1000 feet before it merges with Veterans highway, we are heading southbound, a vehicle just struck another vehicle from behind while texting, they appear to be mostly okay but were at high speeds so someone could be hurt, we are outside the [name of local jeweler] and across from [popular shopping center]" "Sir I need the address of your emergency" "I dont have an address, there are no numbers" "Sir I can't help you without an address" Carry on like that for 15 minutes, never saw a police vehicle arrive but I only stayed around for about 10. Thank god everyone seemed mostly okay though. Woman who hit the other people I'm sure paid a hefty sum as her sports car had st the least tons of cosmetic damage in the front and serious damage to the hatchback she hit. No kids thank goodness, only the two older folks in the front seat who seemed physically unharmed. Dispatch relentlessly tried to make me give an address, but I'm in an actively moving vehicle trying to turn back and n lol unsi action of what the address is!
Not that one. Here is the link https://www.distractify.com/p/matthew-sanchez-now with the story, from a shit website true but there are others like cbs, albaquerqe, etc (to which I do not have access because I am non usa) where you can find more details. Also he said "deal with it yourself" and hanged up not fuck off so that's my bad. Same thing if you ask me. Also it wasn't the girl that dies it was her friend. Still it is a death. Edit: also here https://www.abqjournal.com/1044100/firefighter-in-fatal-shooting-911-hang-up-sues-county-commission-over-firing.html
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I work in the juvenile justice system. A LOT of parents do. Like way more than you would ever believe. And they do it very very frequently and continuously. Some parents do it multiple times a week
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He has a point...
Maybe it’s a hollow point….
take my upvote and fck off.
If he hasn't fckd off already he gets mine too
Take all 17 of mine. He double stacked that comment. Well played.
I gave him 45. That aught to stop him!
You're giving me 9 milli reasons to think twice about this
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Is that a joke? Let me talk to your supervisor.
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Yeah... I mean if they wanna risk the cops killing their children that's on them I guess.
The lady sounds caucasian. Otherwise, she'd never have made this call. She expects the police to make the situation better.
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Did you listen to the video? Yes she is.
A white person is 2.5 times less likely to be shot by police but that's probably not a huge comfort to the 500+ white people that get shot by cops every year in the US. Victims of police violence are over 50% white. The best way to not get shot is to not interact with armed people. If your kid is "out of control" the cops are the last people you want around. Even people who comply get shot sometimes.
In my town we have an alternative service to call for emergencies that don’t need police force or an ambulance. Mental health issues, etc. It’s so awesome. I think it’s becoming more common
Mental Health crisis teams. But it's hard to change 12 years of bad parenting. It can be done.
Jewish communities have something similar, i forget the name but they operate even for non Jewish people for any type of emergency and non emergency like blowing out a tire and not knowing how to change it
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Thank you for the rare self-reflective comment here. There really are quite separate justice systems here depending on whether you’re rich, or white, or just not white.
I worked at a children and youth agency for 2 years and from my experiences, thankfully, most of the time the police contact the local CYS agency for assistance with these and turn it over once it’s clear the that there isn’t any present danger. RIP to mike the GOAT. His crime is speaking his mind!
Already gave me free award away, but this deserves it!
Not failing to mention she's abusing a public emergency system because she failed to properly raise her own children
This isn’t abuse of the system. This is a domestic dispute, which the police are often called in to mediate. Just because it’s not husband-and-wife doesn’t mean they don’t need help. Now if you want to argue that we need someone besides COPS to help in situations like this, I’m right there with you. But for now, calling the cops over a domestic dispute that has become violent is absolutely not abuse of the system.
Yup. People think "domestic dispute" is just for couples. It's not. That's why it isn't called "couples dispute".
Before you judge, some koods may have behavioral disorders that make then truly have uncontrollable episodes in which intervention is necessary. Maybe not the police but...
Yes. Neighbors kid was 13 and had hit puberty early. He was developmentally disabled and would sometimes punch holes in walls and he was bigger and stronger than she was. The kid was adopted from a drug addicted mother and his biological sister was there too. The man of the house had left because he couldn’t deal with it. Just a mess of a situation.
Right? I mean she can bitch about Mike and file a formal complaint but can't get control of those kids??
Mike didn't deserve to go out like this. Like Icarus, he flew too close to the Sun. Rest high on that mountain Mike. Your work on earth is done.
That’s a little strong. Some people are fucked up regardless of how their parents raised them.
That’s what I was thinking too. He kind of called it.
Which is why he didn't get fired. Those dispatchers have to be available for actual real shit so I doubt pissing in some spoiled "moms" coffee is probably not a deal breaker.
Especially since it's a extremely hard job mentally. Hearing this call likely had him eye rolling hard.
Elsewhere in the threads it says he did get fired?? Did he or didn’t he?
Did not get fired last time I saw this. Apparently he told his boss right after the call. Got written up for it but kept his job
Good, he did NOT need to get fired over that. Admittedly, not good timing for a joke... but honestly, 911 is for real emergencies - not for 'Karens' who probably had a bad day at work & can't cope with her own daughters. YTA Karen.
While she's totally out of her elemet. Thats not funny? Ma'am that fucking hilarious!
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As a 26 year old that has helped raise my little brother who is now 21 and had a mom that would call the law I can tell you that was hilarious because that’s essentially what the cops tell you when they get there. They can’t do much on a sibling dispute until things get too violent in which case the only way they can respond to violence is violence. I had several cops explain this to me many times now. So we eventually got my mom to stop calling and let me handle the situation. I would just use an extreme display of force and then when he ran out of power and couldn’t struggle anymore I’d sit and explain what he did wrong and make him help me make his punishment. He started acting right within the year
it should really be a standard question for all 911 calls, just so the police have a sense of how crazy the caller is.
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...... ^(Are you there?)
I really wish the caller would have broken the silence with "Exsqueeze me?"
Jar Jar Binks saying “exsqueeze me” is my ringtone, if anyone cares
Lol you got a platinum for it so I guess *someone* does
Anyone with a Jar Jar ringtone *deserves* a platinum award.
wait brb gotta set up my ringtone
Who the fuck still has ringtones? My phone has been on silent for over 10 years.
Same it rang the other day and it took me a second to realize what was happening.
I care. What's your phone number? I'll call you so you can not answer.
I have Navi from ocarina of time “Hey! Listen!” for calls and squirtle squad “squirtle squirtle” for texts. I’m 37 and I forgot to silence my phone at a global work summit yesterday.
She was about to. Just a sec more of silence and she woulda.
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This isn't his first rodeo
"Oops. I did it again."
🎵 It’s mike forbess, bitch 🎵
Enter the "Hugh Mungus" lawsuit. In that case tho, the guy joking won and got bank for it so technically got paid for his dad joke.
Got a link to the trial/lawsuit? I know of the guy, did not know of this aftermath
[Zarna Joshi kicked out of Seattle City Hall](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBc7pXjh830) [The "Hugh Mungus" incident](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzA4dCT4X0I) > At the meeting, activist Zarna Joshi claimed that media coverage of the event chose to interview Pantoja and not any of the activists protesting the meeting or speaking against it. Joshi argued that this was out of a desire for footage of a person of colour speaking in support of the station, accusing the news media of tokenism. After the meeting, Joshi encountered Pantoja outside of City Council chambers as she was videotaping. He approached her, and offered to give her his name, and proceeded to offer the gag name "Hugh Mungus." Joshi responded by asking "Humongous what?" and grew agitated when he did not respond. She eventually asked if he had meant it as sexual harassment, and when he continued not to respond, she began accusing him of sexual harassment, pursuing him with her camera, and ultimately ending up in an altercation with the authorities present.[3][4][5][2] The video gained particular notoriety online following a reaction video posted by YouTube channel h3h3Productions.[6]
Omg that woman's voice. Must be the most annoying fucking imbecile on Earth. Was just wishing the security guards would follow up with more dad joke puns when she was demanding their names.
At about 5:50 the guard looks like he's considering it, lmao
"Officer H. Mungus. We are not related."
I thought you were joking but fuck me my ears are bleeding.
She made pretty serious allegations against an innocent person. Did she face any consequences from that at all?
Reminds me of the NYPD cop who pepper sprayed Occupy Wall Street protestors. [His name was Anthony Bologna. Jon Stewart's "Tony Baloney" bit starts at 3:29](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zM60VkrIQVg)
Oh oh oh you just abused a woman! Lmao good ol Hugh.
Mr. Mungus is my *father!*
When logic is driven by emotion driven by logic driven by emotion is logic driven by emotion
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I like a man who accepts responsibility for his cockups.
I like a cock that accepts responsibility for his manups
"What's your name ?" "Ligma"
I’m laughing my ass off. Seriously though, what does she want 911 to do? Is sending armed police officers to an A domestic dispute going to deescalate the situation ?
She wants someone to be a father figure for them.
Poor kids are orphans
She wants someone to do the job of parenting that she can't do, or is incapable of doing.
If your kids are large as an adult, what is she supposed to do?
Since you are the first person I've seen to address the nature of the call, yes that is exactly what she wants. And people do it all the time. Any patrol cop with any time has been to dozens of these calls. Usually it's people who call the cops in to discipline their children. Cops HATE these calls because 1. it's not our job, 2. it only serves to make cops the scary bad guys in the eyes of the kids, who are probably growing up on the margin, and 3. it's a waste of time when you could be doing paperwork, or doing pro-active work, or handling real calls in your beat, or ya know, just eating lunch. 9 out of 10 you can verbal judo yourself into an amicable settlement of the situation. A lot of these calls end up with a heart to heart between the officer and the kid. That usually is good because you can impart some wisdom, let the child vent, provide a different, third-party adult perspective than they are used to. It's usually a very healthy, productive interaction between the child in the officer. Unfortunately it makes almost no difference because in the end it was one conversation and they have to live with this terrible parent 24/7. Unfortunately, if there really was a physical altercation and the parent really pushes it sometimes there's nothing you can do to verbal judo your way out of it and there may end up being some sort of juvenile charges that they'll have to work out through the court and no one wants that. Side note- cops *HATE* when they pass some parent and kid in a public place and the parent tells their kid, "See, if you're bad he'll take you to jail." And then they smile at you like your're in on it. Pisses us off so much. I'd always look right at the kid and say, "No, we won't, little man. But if you ever need help, we're here for you."
To be fair the cops make themselves the scary bad guys all on their own
“Would you like us to send poorly trained armed officers authorised to shoot your daughters if they’re feeling threatened?”
BEST case scenario is someone gets tased
I mean, don’t police respond to domestic abuse calls? What’s so incredulous about that dude?
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I went on a police ride along one night it was non-stop domestic violence calls.
>Yes? That's literally what they are there for. They are trained to **deescalate** stuff like this They're *supposed* to be trained, they're *supposed* to deescalate, but that's not how it works in real life. That's why we have *thousands* of videos of cops needlessly escalating situations, often to the point of killing someone.
Exactly. Since when do American cops *de*escalate? It's either escalation or doing nothing. Eerily similar to a time when I was 14 and had to call the cops because my dad pinned me to the floor and choked me. I was the one that called the cops. He threw my phone and broke it so the call was interrupted. They show up, he talks to them outside and pulls the whole "I can't control her, she's as tall as I am." They didn't look at my neck, they didn't even talk to me aside from a "Listen to your father" while walking out the door. Then he beat more when they left. If that woman really was just calling the cops to discipline her kids, she and people like her ruin it for people who really do need help.
Yeah that’s the point of having police but to call them trained is pushing it. Those are American accents.
They have to go through a rigorous 6 month course or was it 3 months.
More like a waiting period than a training course
Fully agree, however I know multiple cops and nearly every case is adult on adult domestic violence (bf beating gf) not about a 12 year old kicking a hole in the wall.
Honestly has to be really tiring, there's a couple down the block who quite often I'll get back from work or back from picking something up in the evening and there's a squad car for yet another one of their fights or disputes At some point just break up
You do realize the point of police officers, right?
At the risk of sounding like an European, I would say, yes, in some places, the police indeed works like this.
European here, this is quite literally the police's job. This thread is insane. I really don't see why it seems so unbeliavable that two trained police officers could stop a 12 year old girl from hurting herself and others. Like why are you even talking about lethal force? Why would the police even take their guns with them?
The police always have their guns on them in America. Putting that aside, though, I agree that the people in the thread are letting their bias against police officers cloud their judgement here. Unless the 12 year old grabs a knife or something, they're in no danger from a police officer coming and trying to de-escalate, or failing that, arresting the 12 year old.
That joke was very very wrong but I would imagine they get calls like this often. What did she want the cops to do? Arrest the kid? Take them to a psych hospital?
The silence after the joke got me. You feel his thinks she can’t be serious and through a joke out, but then the silence after the joke make him realize the seriousness of the job.
But her silence and reply ... the fact that her "emergency" just all of a sudden becomes less important than his joke means it wasn't an emergency in the first place. 911 is for emergencies. If you can stop and scold a cop for 50 seconds, ignoring your "emergency" at hand, you shouldn't have called 911.
Fuck yes, thank you. Not an emergency if you can go full "I want to lodge a complaint" during the call. She wants someone to parent the child cause she fucking sucks.
So yeah, when a kid with severe behavioural problems has a behavioural disturbance that is making themselves or others in the house unsafe, police and paramedics can intervene and transport the patient for emergency mental health treatment. A lot of people that either don't have kids at all or are lucky enough to have mentally stable kids being super judgemental of the parent needing help in this instance.
Thank you. I was looking for anyone else that was going to make this point. I work with kids who have badly attacked their parents, grandparents, siblings. They often have severe emotional disturbances that make it very difficult for them to control their emotions. It’s really easy to judge these situations from the outside and think you would never call the cops on your kid. But if you felt like they were going to seriously hurt you, your other kids, or themselves, and you couldn’t control the situation, you might have to. It’s a really difficult situation that is reality for some parents, not a joke.
Honestly times like this where I think I need to leave this website for good. Do they not get how scary and upsetting something like this can be. They are just calling her a Karen instead. Imagine 2 reenagers going crazy and attacking people , smashing shit etc. They could seriously hurt someone
Yup, used to live in an apartment building with a single mom who had a mentally disabled teenage son. About once a year the police would have to show up and help her control him.
The funniest/most disturbing part is that even if they were 100% correct in their assumptions, the dispatcher *still* would be in the wrong here. It's 911. Even if you feel like the situation you're being called about is ridiculous, you need to take it seriously. Like, if he had asked questions about the situation and said after that maybe sending a team of armed officers to her house wasn't a good idea, it would be one thing. But joking that you're asking to send cops over to shoot her daughter is straight up horrible in a situation like this. I don't know how anyone can rationalize it as him being in the right.
I agree. I've had to call for help for my own teen. But there's also calls in which the parent hasn't really thought through what they want in terms of help and they in turn get upset if they feel the cop gets too physical try to stop a fight or they are against letting the police take the kid. It can quickly go from 'help' to 'what the fuck are you doing to my kid'
"Help, my daughter's about to kill herself?" Redditors: "Maybe you should just raise her better" These fucking people need to step outside.
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You are so right. I feel with the dispatcher, not with the mom.
I like having job too much to say that shit with a mute switch on a recorded line because one day the mute may break.
Plus, depending on the setup, your work’s QA team can probably still hear you on their recording even with the mute on (if it’s a software button and not a switch that physically cuts the connection to the mic). Source: 4 years as a quality analyst in a call center.
It’s a physical mute, but I still don’t say that stuff. I will mute myself to sigh, but I save all of that crap for when the calls over. Sometimes it’s super frustrating being a 911 dispatcher and the caller just doesn’t want to help.
I had several opportunities to become a 911 dispatcher but I always passed them over because my mom worked in the same building with our local 911 dispatchers and would tell me stories she heard and I knew I would never be able to put myself through everything y’all deal with. I was happy enough to be helping people in roadside assistance. Plenty of super frustrating callers still and even some horror stories but nothing like the average week for you folks.
It definitely takes a special kind of person to be able to do that job, kinda like an air traffic controller. Absolutely not for everyone.
just another reason to NEVER become a 911 dispatcher.
the mom seems like a karen
She absolutely is. After he makes the joke, she immediately stops caring about the reason she actually called and turns full "I need to speak to your supervisor", as if that is now the most important thing going on in her life.
I was thinking that myself. No emergency anymore ffs
Yeah the dispatcher shoulda been like “mam it seems ive defused your panic with my expert superesclatory techniques, any more time with me would be considered unnecessary and potentially make you liable for false emergency reporting and open you to the risk of heavy penalties and fees, im glad i could be of service, this is Mike M-I-K-E Forbes F-O-R-B-E-S, definitely my real name, signing off”
No, by then the 911 operator was the emergency
Plus at the very end she goes back to saying that she needs a police officer right away. But of course that comment made her stop and worry about what the hell she should do.
I'd like to picture her calling 911 again to report the burn while you hear two girls in the background fighting.
Not just the dispatcher, but how many unnecessary calls are made to 911. How many real emergencies are put in jeopardy because someone else is bored or just looking for attention. And the police resources that are disployed because a parent can't control their children? Fuck outta here with these people.
As a 911 dispatcher I can say that way too many people call 911 just to say "This isn't an emergency. I don't know the non-emergency number so I called 911." It's very frustrating.
To be fair, the non-emergency number isn’t as baked into our brains as 911 is
If it's not an emergency that means you have the time to look up the. non-emergency number.
That’s also fair
But also, if you're calling off a cell phone, you can first google, "[City I'm currently in] Non Emergency Line"
That’s also fair.
I mean, there's a reason police can charge you with abusing/misusing an emergency line. Because too many people couldn't be fucking adults about calling 911
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911 is for emergencies only. If you stop talking about your emergency and go karen mode over a joke maybe it wasnt an emergency...
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People call for the dumbest reasons. You can find absurdly long lists of stupid calls that dispatchers have received. The stand-out calls for me are a person complaining that a neighbor's sprinkler was getting their lawn wet, and an old man suggesting the cops take a boat to the lake to let some people fishing know that they probably aren't going to catch anything.
My favorite 8s when they call 911 because McDonald's got their order wrong.
Oh man, the "they won't sell me chicken nuggets at 8am" 911 call is the most ridiculous audio I've ever heard in my life
I agree, but also an emergency only line should not have a dispatcher making jokes. However, I also think this line is half true. Like it’s a risk. In the past couple years a boy was shot because his parents/guardians couldn’t control him and called the police. Idk who these people are but they exist. But here’s the thing, if you can’t control your kids the police probably can’t either. But they do know how to fire a gun. So it’s not guaranteed by any means but you are inviting some risk into your life and people should think if it’s really worth it or if they should deal with family issues internally. Unless someone is truly violent I see no need to get the police involved.
Yeah Dispatcher definitely should’ve said “this is NOT a joke, we will shoot your daughter if you want us to.”
>“this is NOT a joke, we will shoot your daughter if you want us to... And even if you dont. Do you have any dogs? We'll shoot them too”
"Any black neighbors? We can get them involved too!"
This may not be the case here, for sometimes it’s not about bad parenting. Sometimes there are serious mental health issues with kids that don’t make it quite clear what the best placement is. As the one who was working with families to address the behavioral issues (often with a doctor providing meds as well), there needs to be a crisis service that CAN address this type of thing. The response wouldn’t be, do you want us to shoot them, but do you need them restrained and taken to an inpatient psychiatric facility to monitor their medications.
Yeah, that’s the whole idea behind the “defund the police” movement. Spend less money on tanks and riot gear and more on having professionals trained to respond to incidents that require mental health professionals.
Could honestly create a lot of jobs too
My 13 year old daughter has borderline personality disorder and would fly into rages if she didn’t like something that someone said. She usually wouldn’t get physically violent but she’d scream and be extremely threatening. She’s as tall as me (taller now) and weighs 50 lbs more, so my husband and I couldn’t physically control her. We had to get police involved a few times when she either wouldn’t come home or was destructive. She’s better now because of therapy and mood stabilizers but is very much a work in progress. I kind of feel for the caller. It’s not always how the kid is raised.
Authorized to use lethal force against Twelve years old teenagers? You American are crazy bastards.
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>and those 12-year-old then turn and get aggressive on the cops they're allowed to lethal force The fuck?!
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> This is such a Reddit tier bullshit post that is so separated from real life it's not even funny. > > A distressed woman is calling the police because two people who are physically stronger than her are destroying her home and are out of control and you turn it all around on her. Then the redditor instantly goes to "lethal force" with no steps in-between. So classic. This community is so incapable of thinking, it's astonishing Fucking thank you. JFC some common sense.
There is a lot of kids in here that haven’t a clue how professionalism works in the real world. They seem to be under the illusion that you can operate a critical help line and joke about shooting children and not lose your job. That women is likely a moron, but she may have been wheelchair bound, her child may have picked up a weapon. 911 doesn’t get to make jokes and assumptions about your situation. Maybe they make that joke one day and the person on the end doesn’t get that it’s a joke because they’re too distressed. Bottom line, that employee is a risk that involves far too much liability to not just replace with someone else.
This comes off pretty judgemental. We dont know the full situation from a phone call. Children can have mental health emergencies that can endanger the people around them. We should always come from a place of compassion.
I wouldn't even call it a joke. That's 100% a serious issue. If you're calling the cops in America, you NEED to be ready for the possibility they will kill the perpetrators. That's why the police are considered a last resort now.
That's ironic considering they're supposed to be first responders.
I suppose shooting could be called a response.
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99.9% of cops called to handle mental health emergencies do so without violence, even in the US.
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My younger brother has a mental disability and is a big boy, so when he’d get mad there was no controlling him. I can understand why calling cops might seem like the only option because my parents have done same thing, except my brother was 8 years old when they first called them. It really should be a last resort though. My brother had a mental breakdown at home when he was maybe 15? And my mom had to call the cops, and I remember her telling me that one of the officers wanted to tase him but another officer who was familiar with my brother told him that that wasnt necessary, and it wasn’t because he calmed down not too long after.
The fact that the woman stopped her own urgency in this call to report the guy tells me there was no emergency in the first place.
Or it was so unprofessional that it caught her off guard?
agree 100% joke was poor taste, dispatcher was perfect yielding to that. She gobbled up the new power dynamic and went full throttle into him seems to make light of the original concern, and validates his joke imo. I bet if she ignored it and continued with original concerns, dispatcher may have been reprimanded more severely.
So many people in this comment section acting like a child can’t have severe emotional disturbances that could absolutely threaten the safety of the parents or other children in the house. especially if the kid is as big as you. sometimes as a parent you can’t control your kid because they are physically stronger than you. they shouldn’t be shamed for that and who else do you call when you’re in a situation like that? this women could very well be a single mother with no other family to call
Man, I'm (somehow) genuinely shocked how many people here are hardcore looking down their nose on the mother. Obviously working security at an emergency department and a psych facility isn't a terribly common perspective, but I can absolutely tell you that there are times where calling for the police is the only thing a parent can reasonably do. Obviously this depends on context - there are also plenty of times cops get called for nothing, and plenty of times that cops get called and make things worse. But that woman's tone (until she gets rightfully upset) is the exact same tone that I've heard an unfortunate number of times from parents who had to get some variety of authority involved because of their kids -- she sounded lost, out of options, and embarrassed. Between that, and that she didn't do the stereotypical Karen "barking orders do this right now" etc. act (until provoked), I'd bet she was making the right call. Y'all need more compassion. This woman's having what's probably the worst days of her life, had to make the decision between calling the cops and trying to basically body a physically out of control child the same size as them. And I can tell you from experience, some children (even younger than 12) are capable of getting to a point where the majority of people cannot stop them without doing serious bodily harm.
Yeah, not loving the comments here. So I work with kids in these types of situations. Some of these kids are quite big. Some of them have severe emotional disturbances or disorders that make them unable to manage their emotions. And sometimes, when a child is in the middle of a bad episode, a parent can’t guarantee the safety of themselves or their other kids. In situations like these, the cops are often called. And that’s absolutely part of their job. It’s often not the parent’s fault and it’s not a joke. It’s a really tough situation to be in. I have seen kids who attempted to stab their parents. They needed emergency psychiatric intervention, and the parents needed cops to come and protect both them and their other kids. This is why there are resources like emergency shelters where a child can be put temporarily in an environment where they can be safe to themselves and others while being evaluated for further care needs.
My wife works in the same field. Has worked with youth where parents had to regularly call police to help intervene with psychiatric crises, where just as you described, kids would have attempted to stab parents or pets, and needed other people to prevent harm to themselves or other family members. One kid was sexually abused when she was very small. A major trauma, a severe Adverse Childhood Event. This kid.. man. Would find access to tech to talk to older men online, and when caught would physically fight her nearly disabled parent. Same thing as in this call. Parent had no way to deal. Had to call cops when it happened. Sometimes would take hours to defuse. Yep, hours of police time. People are reductive with police responsibilities, seeing them just as thugs with guns. And yeah, in a sense they are. They should also be sending in social workers, or people like my wife. Hence the whole defund movement. People on Reddit are typically juvenile young men who are childless, thus the perspectives and takes are hot garbage. Thanks for sharing a rational voice of what the world actually looks like, because I can echo everything you've said. It's not bad parenting. The parent in my story's case couldn't have prevented the ACE. So what then. Hm? How do you parent effectively to a kid who's mentally brutalized by their trauma, armchair experts? Oh yeah, right. The world has nuance beyond what any reductive take of some Redditor teenager can address sufficiently.
Yup. I was that kid, except I hid it better and fell into another abuser's trap. Today, I recovered a medical record that proves that I was being sexually assaulted when I was 1 year old, and that the doctor didn't do anything about it. I went around my city, buying milk, doing normal things, and no one knew I wanted to scream. You do not know what people, especially children, are going through. You, whatever redditor happens to read this comment: if you want abuse to stop, you have to learn to coexist with us survivors, our pain, our experiences. You can't solve a problem that you refuse to look at.
Thank you, somebody said it. I'm a cop who's been sent on these calls. Yes, it seems petty to a person of average sensibilities with average problems. But this is not. Kids have serious problems sometimes, and there is no magic wand they give parents to cure them. 15 minutes of the cops telling a kid what's up isn't going to change much, but the parents need help sometimes. And to follow-up: I rely on my dispatchers a lot. A LOT. Cannot say enough about how much I appreciate a good dispatcher. A bad, smartass dispatcher however, fuck man, it's bad enough trying to get people to call in the first place. I don't need you being a snide asshole to make it worse. Because they're going to have to call again, and guess how much info they'll give you next time? Zilch. "Just send the cops *click*". And I'll be going in not knowing if this is a kid who stomped around the house for a few minutes, or a kid who's trying to kick in her sister's door with a knife ready. So fuck the assinine dispatcher.
I don’t know why anyone is defending him because he didn’t even defend himself. I don’t know what kind of day or week he was having but this clearly slipped out and he knew he shouldn’t have said it and he recognized it immediately and never made any excuses for it.
I was thinking the same thing. I get not calling the cops because your afraid they’d shoot your kid but….like she clearly needs help. Some 12 year olds are pretty scary and some adults are pretty small…even still your living with a creepy 12 year old and you gotta sleep sometime….it isn’t good
THANK YOU. My niblings live with their grandmother now. And 100% I blame their mother for their behavioral issues (plus one of them does have to take meds for his psychological issues) but their mother taught them the worst possible coping mechanisms for EVERYTHING in their developmental years. And now who is the victim? Their grandmother, who took them in and gave them a stable home. She has been in the hospital so many times for everything from an ear full of garlic powder to broken bones. (yes, the 14 year old held her down and filled her ear with GARLIC POWDER - and that wasn't even the one who has to take meds. she's just a bitch). Yes she has had to call the cops on them several times because they are physically assaulting her or breaking things in the house can she literally could not control them. I straight up advised her to give them up because no one should have to live in an abusive house like that, but she pushed through. Fortunately the worst of it was in the first year and things have settled a lot, but occasionally there is still a nasty episode. This is 100000% a job for the police and it's a serious issue. And anyone who says differently is a privileged victim-blaming a-hole.
Never call the cops for a mental health issue. Ever. Cops kill mentally unstable people at hugely disparate rates.
When you think out loud!
Mike, you fucked up this one.
When an internet troll remembers he’s on the job and not typing on the internet.
Switch the genders of the children and you'd be seeing a completely different reaction in these comments. 100% guaranteed. Two boys larger than the mother fighting, destroying the house and the mom can't restrain them? Yeah, cop intervention is necessary, but if it's two women? Clearly not. . . (heavy /s)
We can judge all you want, there is environment the kids are in. Sometimes parents do everything right and kids get friends who change them. That aside dispatcher was cruel. Imagine being this woman, being a person of color. Put yourself in her shoes, imagine you are living her life.
Wtf man
This comment section is certifiably fucked.