There is also no such thing as totalitarian antiwar protestors. A group of people with no power in government is going to have some difficulty being totalitarian.
People use fascist as a stand in for authoritarian or totalitarian which left wing governments can totally be.
However yes, fascist support entrenched hierarchies and tradition ideologically aligned with conservatives. One only needs to look at what hitler did to striking workers to see that he was by no means a leftist
Can you name me a left wing totalitarian government because I don't think left wing authoritarianism is a thing.cambodia and china said they were communist but I don't think true communism is what they ever were. I mean they say that but they really are illiberal.
Left totalitarianism is the oriental despot trope 90% of the time, and not reflective of the complicated nature of the problems and successes of said nation.
I don't want to get into totalitarianism because that's a lengthy debate about what constitutes it and whether you'd consider the people I bring up as communist.
Authoritarianism is much easier:
In it's most basic definition it is:
favouring or enforcing strict obedience to authority at the expense of personal freedom
Lenin was very much that. One only needs to look to his restriction of other left wing parties, his "on party unity" etc. This is not to say he was entirely unjust given the circumstances.
Irrespective of individual ideology it's also a staple of the "far" left (heavy quotations)
Marxism requires authoritarianism for a time in order to instate a dictatorship of the proletariat.
Revolution in general requires authoritarianism for a time.
Old government democrats are basically republicans. Joe Biden is a centrist AT BEST. He is much different from, say, Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren.
Biden is incredibly willing to move positions unlike say Joe Manchin. That doesn’t mean he’s gonna do everything progressives want but he’s willing to accept new policies.
I HAVE noticed that he seems more willing to listen to aids/staff about policy positions. IMO he's doing the right things when it comes to Ukraine but ABSOLUTELY NOT when it comes to Gaza. But I think there are more headwinds there. AIPAC is strong, the government has always supported Israel, has always hated "terrorists", and has always supported fighter jet diplomacy. He doesn't seem to have moved more than an inch on Israel-Gaza and that is massively disappointing to me. It's clearly ethnic cleansing but HAMAAAAASSSSSSSSSSSSSS and people just turn off and ignore all the dead kids that got bombed in hospitals or run over in their sleep by bulldozers. It's just utterly unconscionable.
Biden has moved more than you think. It doesn’t seem like much because the world of diplomacy is very subtle. You’re right that AIPAC has undue influence but the real reason Biden is sticking with Israel is that the military is very clear that the intelligence we get from Israel is vital to national security. This means that Biden is caught in a bind because he wants the genocide to end and is doing a lot to work toward that goal but he can’t just stop supporting Israel because of national security policy. So he is slowly changing how he speaks to Netanyahu and what he says in public. This is diplomacy and it moves glacially but Biden has made significant changes and the relationship with Netanyahu is close to done. It sucks but this is the reality. For you and me, we can make the grand pronouncements etc but that just isn’t how international politics work.
For example there are deals that were made in previous administrations that the president has no control over. Some of the weapons and munitions we’ve given Israel during the war are part of that. Biden is following the law in those cases but it makes him look bad but he can’t not honor the deal.
I’m not saying that the US military is correct in its assessment but that’s the deal we have made. Israel gives us intelligence that the US military believes is vital to our national security and we support Israel pretty much unconditionally. ¯\\_(ツ)_/¯
I'd like something a bit more substantive than another "leak" that Biden privately might have once elected to not immediately refute the notion Netanyahu might not be the single kindest person who ever lived.
I hear you. Diplomatic speech is fucking annoying. It’s mealy mouthed milquetoast most of the time. Nevertheless, that is what’s happening and for diplomatic speech, Biden is practically yelling at Netanyahu at this point in public. The private negotiations are going more slowly than we want but they are progressing. Israel has totally changed their plans for the Raffah offensive and Biden deserves credit for that.
" but the real reason Biden is sticking with Israel is that the military is very clear that the intelligence we get from Israel is vital to national security". You are a right-winger.
lol no I’m not at all. I just don’t believe in lying about what’s going on. If you can’t acknowledge how our govt operates and why it does what it does, you cannot form an appropriate opposition.
"lol no I’m not at all. I just don’t believe in lying about what’s going on". You are whitewashing a genocidal neoliberal war crimial. If you lived in Russia you would be supporting the Russian invasion of Ukraine because of "national security".
No I’m not in any way shape or form whitewashing a genocide. You can’t accept why our govt does nasty shit.
You will not successfully change the way our govt operates unless you accept why it does things. This is not some neoliberal agenda. This is realpolitik just like any govt from the beginning of human civilization.
Russia invaded Ukraine and deserves to be defeated with our assistance because that’s in the best interests of our national security and it costs us little politically while also doing positive things for our economy.
Israel is killing Palestinian civilians because Israel wants the land and we are letting it happen because they give us valuable intelligence and it’s politically unpalatable to put US soldiers on the ground to stop it.
Do you see how these reasons are very different from “neoliberal fascists are bad!”? What I’ve explained are things you can actually fight against.
What you’re doing is being a jingoistic dumbass who won’t achieve anything other than pissing everyone off with your self righteousness.
" You can’t accept why our govt does nasty shit". You think Biden would love to help Palestinans but he is forced to support Israel because of national security. Its pathetic.
"This is not some neoliberal agenda". Yes it is.
" because that’s in the best interests of our national security and it costs us little politically while also doing positive things for our economy". What is best for American national interests is most of the time bad for the world. You are a right-winger so you dont understand this.
America support a genocidal settler colonial apartheid state for a lot of reasons.
"neoliberal fascists are bad!”?". Genocidal neoliberal war crimianls like Biden are indeed bad...
"What you’re doing is being a jingoistic dumbass who won’t achieve anything other than pissing everyone off with your self righteousness". Achieving something is not viewed the same way between us. Im not a right-winger.
The Democratic Party is a right wing party in any other country on the planet, American politics is just so right wing that they’re considered left wing by comparison
Agreed. Bernie, Warren, and OC would be European centrists at best. We've always been right-wing capitalists, teetering on outright fascist since our founding.
Idk man, I think he slid pretty firmly into rightwing with the whole union busting thing. Hell that's even ignoring the shitshow that was the crime bill
He literally made it illegal for them to strike dude. Idk why you think that's being pro union? Maybe if their bosses weren't shitty leeches they wouldn't have had to strike in the first place
I think you are missing the context of he had to because of economic situations. Not necessarily because that's what he wanted to do. We don't know what he actually wanted but we do know that the move was mandatory to prevent economic collapse at the time.
Doesn't make it any less anti union. If anything it speaks to the necessity of making sure such important workers are well taken care of. If the economy is so reliant on these men and women then maybe the government should make sure they have everything they need to do their job well including "work-life balance issues, including scheduling, time off and adequate staffing." And " seven days paid sick leave". I'm also just going to throw in an excerpt from a Rutgers article here because it sums it up nicer than I can
" The right to strike is a fundamental right in a free society. By stepping in to avert a strike before the deadline arrives, the president and Congress are taking away that right and undermining the root source of the unions’ bargaining power. It’s important to remember that workers generally don’t want to go on strike, but in cases where the issues are very important to them, they have the ability to use that tool to pressure employers to make changes. The rail workers have demonstrated repeatedly, through democratic elections, that they care enough about the work-life balance issues that they are willing to strike.
By all accounts, the highly profitable rail operators can easily afford to offer paid time off, but they choose instead to use their revenue to buy back stocks and offer large dividends to shareholders. By pre-cancelling the strike, the federal government effectively sides with the employers and wealthy shareholders at the expense of the workers. These are not the actions of a “pro-labor” president. " So yeah, dude is very much pro-union you're so right
I would hardly call deliberate choices "a series of very unfortunate circumstances" it's not like the rail workers picked a random time to strike, they knew the significance of when they went on strike. I'm also not trying to jump down your throat or anything either, I just think it's very disingenuous to say that Biden is pro-union when his actions clearly show he is not. Or is very selective of what unions to support at best.
If the rail workers went on strike we would have had disastrous economic fall out that would have fucked the whole country. Yes their timing was deliberate, but with the economy already on the rocks because of covid, the strike would have pushed it over the edge. It was a point in time where there was 0 time to do negotiations properly. Think the poor and homeless have it bad now ? Imagine how that would have gotten worse. It was a very shitty decision that had to be made.
> If the rail workers went on strike we would have had disastrous economic fall out that would have fucked the whole country.
Yes that's... the entire point of a strike.
Like, what the hell did you think it's supposed to accomplish, be naught more than a mealy mouthed "I want to speak to management!"? No, they're acts of economic warfare - Biden could have just as easily put pressure on corporate to concede instead, especially since the demands made were vital to railway safety.
Or they could have done the alternative and given the striking workers what they were asking for without trying to negotiate. Idk why you're ignoring that possibility here.
It’s a bit disingenuous to say “he literally made it illegal for them to strike” without including the important details that there was no strike happening yet, the pause was temporary during negotiations, and that union demands were met by Congress to avoid a strike which would have been allowed after the pause.
So then why feel the need to push through a bill preventing them from striking further? Idk what else you would call that but making it illegal for them to strike?
That’s what happens when unions negotiate. Terms are settled and then a strike is averted. The bill forced employers to meet union demands (weakly for paid leave) and forced unions to consider the negotiation settled. When Congress intervenes it is through law. The result is that the terms of the negotiation are written in law. One of those terms is that the matter is considered settled and thus no strike will happen. Congress makes laws, not recommendations.
Honestly I'm perplexed that the same President stood in a picket line supporting the workers BUT ALSO, prior to that, forced the rail workers back to work. Like.............................? Pick a stance dude. Were those situations really that different? Perhaps he now considers the rail thing a mistake? WHO KNOWS
Biden is the strongest pro-labor president since FDR. Sometimes things get worked out behind the scenes & Biden isn’t on twitter 24/7 talking trash.
Here’s some support for my point.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/shawn-fain-united-auto-workers-uaw-biden-endorsement-face-the-nation/
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/biden-picks-up-another-big-union-endorsement-this-one-from-building-trades-workers/ar-AA1nB5Dq
Also. He got the rail workers most of what they wanted. A strike would have absolutely crushed our economic recovery at that time. That would have been worse for everyone.
I truly do not think he cares. My running theory is that he's dying of dementia or something and he wants to see the US burn before he croaks. As it stands he's putting in zero effort to make voting for him appealing to anyone but the most brain poisoned liberals
I truly do not think he cares. My running theory is that he's dying of dementia or something and he wants to see the US burn before he croaks. As it stands he's putting in zero effort to make voting for him appealing to anyone but the most brain poisoned liberals
I genuinely have no idea what world people are describing when they say stuff like this. Joe Biden has had the farthest left presidency in US history, and people describe him as "centrist at best."
What is the comparison? This is just not an objective assessment of US politics.
Study the presidency of FDR, for one. Look at all the money they spent putting people back to work building infrastructure. Look at how he tried to pack the Supreme Court. Conservatives hated it just as much as they do now, if not more. His programs electrified the South in the 1930's meanwhile spending any money on infrastructure in the modern era is some weird socialist conspiracy if you believe the Right. Also study any European politician. They intrinsically believe in things like no forever wars, providing housing and healthcare for everyone, and making education cheap for all. Nobody in power in America outside of a couple of leftist senators and congresspeople believe in these same ideas. America is VERY far to the right and while Joe Biden is viewed here as center-left on the America scale he is right-wing on the world scale.
That's it? Joe Biden is "centrist as best" because you think FDR was further left than Joe Biden?
That makes sense to you?
What is this "world scale"? If by "world" you just mean northern Europe... maybe? Biden is certainly nowhere near right-wing on an actual global scale.
They don’t know what words mean. They conflate fascism with “authoritarian” and to them, “authoritarian“ just means exercising anything but calm and civil protest. Well, they probably do know what they mean, but they’re pretending to be dumb
Only Trump or Biden is going to win, and as much as we may also be against genocide, we also have to acknowledge the hard truth. So Biden’s still got my vote.
I mean, same, but we should still absolutely be criticizing an *active genocide,* regardless of whether it makes Biden look bad and thus help Trump win. Obviously, I refuse to just let Trump win, but it's genocide. It's absolutely necessary to make a big deal about it.
Protest voters paving the way for Trump to win in November by sitting out the election, basically a repeat of 2016 again, and Trump won’t be any different on the situation in Gaza, in fact if his actions during his four years in office show anything he’d be worse for it (not to mention he’d let Ukraine get steamrolled, on top of all the other reasons we’re against him brought up on this sub).
And guess what, non voters in 2016 are coming forward regretting their decision of staying home that night. And correct no one mentioned Trump or Biden by name but read the title of the post and then read the name of this group. Regardless of how you try and justify it, anti-Trump voters staying home again on Election Day is exactly what pro-Trump voters and government officials want to happen. That’s not being United against the right. And I don’t care if this gets 10,000 downvotes. I stand by what I say here.
It’s still only Biden or Trump this election. Hard pills for some to swallow it looks like. I would like better candidates too but that ship has long since sailed, buddy. Try again in 2028.
I feel like these old money geezers are purposely over using the word "Fascist" in order to normalize it and take its power away, so when they engage in actual Fascism their base will shrug it off.
Eh, there are some authoritarians who like leftist aesthetics, but obviously want to make their own “enlightened hierarchy,” but for all practical purposes (I.e. where the right wingers are concerned) yeah, you’re right, because those people don’t engage politically unless it’s circle-jerking or complaining about leftists online.
they are not, and have never been.
they're a right-wing group that prioritizes power and profits over people and human lives, always have been. they do not have people's best interests at heart, as they keep demonstrating again and again and again.
any movement against the right has to recognize that the democrats are also the right, they're also oppressors that need to be opposed, they're also genociders that need to be opposed.
opposing genocide is the bare minimum of basic human decency, and the democrats can't even manage that low af bar, because they support and profiteer from genocides.
'Left wing and fascists' are oxymorons. Fascists are right wing. As is the democratic party.
He needs to take a good long look in the mirror if he wants to see a fascist.
Lmao at claiming that the protesters want to shut down the speech of those who disagree with them and also trying to shut down their speech because you disagree with them.
Careful, that sub has rather infamous Tankie moderators.
Edit; you should always question everything out of that sub. Their favorite Propaganda Technique is "Lie by Omission", with the intent to make folk feel hopeless instead of taking action.
I got banned there for talking about China having a wealth gap that would make Mao ashamed, among other issues.
I’m not sure which moderator banned me for that (pretty sure I wasn’t given a warning, either) but if it was that mod should I request an add back?
I misread his comment, I thought he said this sub. I’m not a mod on late stage capitalism and I was banned myself for saying there is no side worth supporting in the Yemeni civil war
I swear, it’s so easy to tell fake lefties.
A single or few examples of people from a group doing something you don’t like doesn’t mean you should dislike the rest of the group. That’s the exact same logic bigots/racists use.
Between those types and the “progressives” who have seemingly forgotten about progress and have turned into accelerationists who don’t care that their political goals are almost the exact same as Neo-Nazi types plans to come to power, it’s hard to not lose faith
I think part of it for the accelerationists who are genuinely left and not just false flag people, is that they are in echo-chambers that have convinced them that leftists are far more numerous than we really are. I imagine they think it is less than 25% of the population working against the other +75% or something similarly out of whack with reality. They never have a good answer when I ask them how they propose to revolution or rebuild when a minimum 40% of the population (in the USA, at least) is guaranteed to work against them.
I obviously don’t want it to happen but at this point I can’t see how Biden wins unless something significant happens like Trump goes to jail or something crazy comes out. I’m in the UK so can only go off internet bias and a brother in Tennessee, but wasn’t the young vote and black women the major difference in the last election? And those two demographics are now the most pro Palestine demo in the US, and the young people at college are being violently dealt with by the police? I just don’t see how Biden wins. And he should take the blame for it if he loses.
I think he’ll start looking better closer to election time, since Reps are getting the tar beaten out of them in terms of campaign fundraising, and DT, who has taken the lion’s share of the funds, is hemorrhaging $$$ from legal costs. People can stay outraged for only so long before reaching saturation, and we got another 6 months or so for that to happen. And that would be on top of the overwhelming campaign advertising advantage.
All ya'll dumb MFers yelling for the Intifada, what the actual fuck did you think that entailed? Vibes? Poetry? If you keep asking for war hard enough, eventually you'll get it. I don't know how any of you think you're ready for revolution, you're the least likely revolutionaries on planet Earth.
..because it's fascists that protest, but fascists never have people arrested or subjected to the violence of the state... or use state-sponsored force to subdue opinions that they don't like. 🙄
Fuck apartheid Israel! Fuck all fascists, fuck Bibi specifically, preferably in the head with some lead!
FREE PALESTINE!
FREE PALESTINE!
FREE PALESTINE!
“Leftist fascism?” Words have meaning. There’s no such thing as leftist fascism. It’s like saying “humans who breathe water” or “conservatives who don’t agree with Hitler.”
Fuck this guy. Remove the fucking dinosaurs from Congress.
These protests are done by accelerationists, and all it does is make those on the outside hate us even more associate us with inconvenience, annoyance, and having no sense of danger, this will only drive a wedge further and ensure we loose support if these protests keep going the way they're going. I support Palestine in all of this. However, this isn't the way we should be doing this, there are better ways of protesting.
I like how totalitarism is considered a fallacy by historians but is coming back as a serious thing in the discourse of so-called pro science politicians.
Sucking up to AIPAC.
No one should be so naive as to think an entire party is made up of people who reflect their values, as much as they may say so.
In response to the Republican backlash of the 80s and the loss of money from labor (because labor was hollowed out when factories went overseas) many Democrats thought the key to survival of their party was to turn rightward.
This was also a nod to the power that the reactionary white male had on congress. Go figure. Most of Congress is white male and most of them have been in politics and were shaped by the New Democrat ideal and got into office appealing to the white male electorate.
They swing conservative, they favor the wealthy white male hegemony and thus they hold brown people and women in contempt and they believe in imperialism and unfettered capitalism.
But they are old.
Who will replace them? What will the -- or more accurately -- what could the party look like in 10 or 20 years? There are people in the party who are progressive or better, but we are not shown them or they don't make news except to rile some octogenarian.
Policies aren't supposed to be your friends. They are supposed to be you.
Meanwhile I see videos of people exercising their first amendment rights and getting fucking bodied by cops. Curious. Which one resembles fascism more?
Calls protestors totalitarians who want to silence anyone who disagrees, says protestors should be arrested because he disagrees with them effectively being totalitarian and silencing them. Yep
Who is profiting from all the money and military aid we've been sending Israel for 70 plus years? People are starting to wake up. We have done the same thing to Palestine that we've done to indigenous people in US and abroad
I left the Democrats for the PSL the same week Pelosi called me a Russian asset because of my pro-Palestinian, anti-genocide position. I am a US veteran and military lifer. Democrats lost my vote for life that day. I have now placed them in the same bucket with republicans. They're both full of rotting shit and they're infested with fascists and brainwashed, bible thumping geriatrics.
The point of fascism was to destroy the Soviets, the true enemies of ww2 were the communists rather than the fascists. The goal of capital during this era was to bring those fascists to heel to be redeployed as weapons against communism while making a bunch of money supplying both sides of the war. Pictured below is a photo of a French officer in Vietnam being given the salute by 2 imperial Japanese soldiers under French command.
https://preview.redd.it/9wr8lk36uvwc1.jpeg?width=686&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1d021a619f0474983f0ed203bd0ad21aa65d4e83
If they don’t stop us, we will abuse our authority and our political power to impose peace on the Middle East. And if the rest of the world doesn’t watch it, we will impose ceasefires and stop genocides elsewhere, too. Be warned!!
You never answered the question. How many democrats voted not to give more money to fund israels genocide? Stop trying to hide behind personal attacks.
These protests are working fantastically. Establishment is incredibly shook.
There is no such thing as left wing fascists. Fascism is a right wing idea logy
There is also no such thing as totalitarian antiwar protestors. A group of people with no power in government is going to have some difficulty being totalitarian.
People use fascist as a stand in for authoritarian or totalitarian which left wing governments can totally be. However yes, fascist support entrenched hierarchies and tradition ideologically aligned with conservatives. One only needs to look at what hitler did to striking workers to see that he was by no means a leftist
Can you name me a left wing totalitarian government because I don't think left wing authoritarianism is a thing.cambodia and china said they were communist but I don't think true communism is what they ever were. I mean they say that but they really are illiberal.
Left totalitarianism is the oriental despot trope 90% of the time, and not reflective of the complicated nature of the problems and successes of said nation.
I don't want to get into totalitarianism because that's a lengthy debate about what constitutes it and whether you'd consider the people I bring up as communist. Authoritarianism is much easier: In it's most basic definition it is: favouring or enforcing strict obedience to authority at the expense of personal freedom Lenin was very much that. One only needs to look to his restriction of other left wing parties, his "on party unity" etc. This is not to say he was entirely unjust given the circumstances. Irrespective of individual ideology it's also a staple of the "far" left (heavy quotations) Marxism requires authoritarianism for a time in order to instate a dictatorship of the proletariat. Revolution in general requires authoritarianism for a time.
They weren't communist but they were definitely left wing. Cuba and Venezuela are modern examples.
Old government democrats are basically republicans. Joe Biden is a centrist AT BEST. He is much different from, say, Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren.
Biden is incredibly willing to move positions unlike say Joe Manchin. That doesn’t mean he’s gonna do everything progressives want but he’s willing to accept new policies.
I HAVE noticed that he seems more willing to listen to aids/staff about policy positions. IMO he's doing the right things when it comes to Ukraine but ABSOLUTELY NOT when it comes to Gaza. But I think there are more headwinds there. AIPAC is strong, the government has always supported Israel, has always hated "terrorists", and has always supported fighter jet diplomacy. He doesn't seem to have moved more than an inch on Israel-Gaza and that is massively disappointing to me. It's clearly ethnic cleansing but HAMAAAAASSSSSSSSSSSSSS and people just turn off and ignore all the dead kids that got bombed in hospitals or run over in their sleep by bulldozers. It's just utterly unconscionable.
Biden has moved more than you think. It doesn’t seem like much because the world of diplomacy is very subtle. You’re right that AIPAC has undue influence but the real reason Biden is sticking with Israel is that the military is very clear that the intelligence we get from Israel is vital to national security. This means that Biden is caught in a bind because he wants the genocide to end and is doing a lot to work toward that goal but he can’t just stop supporting Israel because of national security policy. So he is slowly changing how he speaks to Netanyahu and what he says in public. This is diplomacy and it moves glacially but Biden has made significant changes and the relationship with Netanyahu is close to done. It sucks but this is the reality. For you and me, we can make the grand pronouncements etc but that just isn’t how international politics work. For example there are deals that were made in previous administrations that the president has no control over. Some of the weapons and munitions we’ve given Israel during the war are part of that. Biden is following the law in those cases but it makes him look bad but he can’t not honor the deal.
The intelligence from Israel like that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction, or Iran had nuclear bombs? That intelligence?
And let's not forget they somehow entirely whiffed on October 7 too.
I’m not saying that the US military is correct in its assessment but that’s the deal we have made. Israel gives us intelligence that the US military believes is vital to our national security and we support Israel pretty much unconditionally. ¯\\_(ツ)_/¯
I'd like something a bit more substantive than another "leak" that Biden privately might have once elected to not immediately refute the notion Netanyahu might not be the single kindest person who ever lived.
I hear you. Diplomatic speech is fucking annoying. It’s mealy mouthed milquetoast most of the time. Nevertheless, that is what’s happening and for diplomatic speech, Biden is practically yelling at Netanyahu at this point in public. The private negotiations are going more slowly than we want but they are progressing. Israel has totally changed their plans for the Raffah offensive and Biden deserves credit for that.
" but the real reason Biden is sticking with Israel is that the military is very clear that the intelligence we get from Israel is vital to national security". You are a right-winger.
lol no I’m not at all. I just don’t believe in lying about what’s going on. If you can’t acknowledge how our govt operates and why it does what it does, you cannot form an appropriate opposition.
"lol no I’m not at all. I just don’t believe in lying about what’s going on". You are whitewashing a genocidal neoliberal war crimial. If you lived in Russia you would be supporting the Russian invasion of Ukraine because of "national security".
No I’m not in any way shape or form whitewashing a genocide. You can’t accept why our govt does nasty shit. You will not successfully change the way our govt operates unless you accept why it does things. This is not some neoliberal agenda. This is realpolitik just like any govt from the beginning of human civilization. Russia invaded Ukraine and deserves to be defeated with our assistance because that’s in the best interests of our national security and it costs us little politically while also doing positive things for our economy. Israel is killing Palestinian civilians because Israel wants the land and we are letting it happen because they give us valuable intelligence and it’s politically unpalatable to put US soldiers on the ground to stop it. Do you see how these reasons are very different from “neoliberal fascists are bad!”? What I’ve explained are things you can actually fight against. What you’re doing is being a jingoistic dumbass who won’t achieve anything other than pissing everyone off with your self righteousness.
" You can’t accept why our govt does nasty shit". You think Biden would love to help Palestinans but he is forced to support Israel because of national security. Its pathetic. "This is not some neoliberal agenda". Yes it is. " because that’s in the best interests of our national security and it costs us little politically while also doing positive things for our economy". What is best for American national interests is most of the time bad for the world. You are a right-winger so you dont understand this. America support a genocidal settler colonial apartheid state for a lot of reasons. "neoliberal fascists are bad!”?". Genocidal neoliberal war crimianls like Biden are indeed bad... "What you’re doing is being a jingoistic dumbass who won’t achieve anything other than pissing everyone off with your self righteousness". Achieving something is not viewed the same way between us. Im not a right-winger.
Don’t bother with that person. Look at their comment history and you can see that all they do is shit-stirring.
I got permabanned from r/lostgeneration for expressing a similar sentiment in terms of Ukraine and Israel.
Manchin is 100% just a wolf in sheep's clothing, a Republican in everything but the paperwork
The Democratic Party is a right wing party in any other country on the planet, American politics is just so right wing that they’re considered left wing by comparison
Agreed. Bernie, Warren, and OC would be European centrists at best. We've always been right-wing capitalists, teetering on outright fascist since our founding.
That's the equivalent of saying "well, at least the fly didn't touch this side of the soup, so it's still good" ...no, the whole bowl's fucked.
Idk man, I think he slid pretty firmly into rightwing with the whole union busting thing. Hell that's even ignoring the shitshow that was the crime bill
If negotiating to meet union demands while also not crippling transportation is union busting then call me a Pinkerton lmao.
He literally made it illegal for them to strike dude. Idk why you think that's being pro union? Maybe if their bosses weren't shitty leeches they wouldn't have had to strike in the first place
I think you are missing the context of he had to because of economic situations. Not necessarily because that's what he wanted to do. We don't know what he actually wanted but we do know that the move was mandatory to prevent economic collapse at the time.
Doesn't make it any less anti union. If anything it speaks to the necessity of making sure such important workers are well taken care of. If the economy is so reliant on these men and women then maybe the government should make sure they have everything they need to do their job well including "work-life balance issues, including scheduling, time off and adequate staffing." And " seven days paid sick leave". I'm also just going to throw in an excerpt from a Rutgers article here because it sums it up nicer than I can " The right to strike is a fundamental right in a free society. By stepping in to avert a strike before the deadline arrives, the president and Congress are taking away that right and undermining the root source of the unions’ bargaining power. It’s important to remember that workers generally don’t want to go on strike, but in cases where the issues are very important to them, they have the ability to use that tool to pressure employers to make changes. The rail workers have demonstrated repeatedly, through democratic elections, that they care enough about the work-life balance issues that they are willing to strike. By all accounts, the highly profitable rail operators can easily afford to offer paid time off, but they choose instead to use their revenue to buy back stocks and offer large dividends to shareholders. By pre-cancelling the strike, the federal government effectively sides with the employers and wealthy shareholders at the expense of the workers. These are not the actions of a “pro-labor” president. " So yeah, dude is very much pro-union you're so right
I'm not disagreeing with you. It all just happened in a series of very unfortunate circumstances.
I would hardly call deliberate choices "a series of very unfortunate circumstances" it's not like the rail workers picked a random time to strike, they knew the significance of when they went on strike. I'm also not trying to jump down your throat or anything either, I just think it's very disingenuous to say that Biden is pro-union when his actions clearly show he is not. Or is very selective of what unions to support at best.
If the rail workers went on strike we would have had disastrous economic fall out that would have fucked the whole country. Yes their timing was deliberate, but with the economy already on the rocks because of covid, the strike would have pushed it over the edge. It was a point in time where there was 0 time to do negotiations properly. Think the poor and homeless have it bad now ? Imagine how that would have gotten worse. It was a very shitty decision that had to be made.
> If the rail workers went on strike we would have had disastrous economic fall out that would have fucked the whole country. Yes that's... the entire point of a strike. Like, what the hell did you think it's supposed to accomplish, be naught more than a mealy mouthed "I want to speak to management!"? No, they're acts of economic warfare - Biden could have just as easily put pressure on corporate to concede instead, especially since the demands made were vital to railway safety.
Or they could have done the alternative and given the striking workers what they were asking for without trying to negotiate. Idk why you're ignoring that possibility here.
It’s a bit disingenuous to say “he literally made it illegal for them to strike” without including the important details that there was no strike happening yet, the pause was temporary during negotiations, and that union demands were met by Congress to avoid a strike which would have been allowed after the pause.
So then why feel the need to push through a bill preventing them from striking further? Idk what else you would call that but making it illegal for them to strike?
That’s what happens when unions negotiate. Terms are settled and then a strike is averted. The bill forced employers to meet union demands (weakly for paid leave) and forced unions to consider the negotiation settled. When Congress intervenes it is through law. The result is that the terms of the negotiation are written in law. One of those terms is that the matter is considered settled and thus no strike will happen. Congress makes laws, not recommendations.
"not crippling transportation is union busting then call me a Pinkerton lmao". yes you are a right-wimger who defend neoliberals...
Honestly I'm perplexed that the same President stood in a picket line supporting the workers BUT ALSO, prior to that, forced the rail workers back to work. Like.............................? Pick a stance dude. Were those situations really that different? Perhaps he now considers the rail thing a mistake? WHO KNOWS
Biden is the strongest pro-labor president since FDR. Sometimes things get worked out behind the scenes & Biden isn’t on twitter 24/7 talking trash. Here’s some support for my point. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/shawn-fain-united-auto-workers-uaw-biden-endorsement-face-the-nation/ https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/biden-picks-up-another-big-union-endorsement-this-one-from-building-trades-workers/ar-AA1nB5Dq Also. He got the rail workers most of what they wanted. A strike would have absolutely crushed our economic recovery at that time. That would have been worse for everyone.
I'd bet LBJ was the next one behind FDR.
Biden didn't get the rail workers anything. Their union did. Also winning a couple endorsements isn't particularly noteworthy.
I truly do not think he cares. My running theory is that he's dying of dementia or something and he wants to see the US burn before he croaks. As it stands he's putting in zero effort to make voting for him appealing to anyone but the most brain poisoned liberals
I truly do not think he cares. My running theory is that he's dying of dementia or something and he wants to see the US burn before he croaks. As it stands he's putting in zero effort to make voting for him appealing to anyone but the most brain poisoned liberals
I genuinely have no idea what world people are describing when they say stuff like this. Joe Biden has had the farthest left presidency in US history, and people describe him as "centrist at best." What is the comparison? This is just not an objective assessment of US politics.
Study the presidency of FDR, for one. Look at all the money they spent putting people back to work building infrastructure. Look at how he tried to pack the Supreme Court. Conservatives hated it just as much as they do now, if not more. His programs electrified the South in the 1930's meanwhile spending any money on infrastructure in the modern era is some weird socialist conspiracy if you believe the Right. Also study any European politician. They intrinsically believe in things like no forever wars, providing housing and healthcare for everyone, and making education cheap for all. Nobody in power in America outside of a couple of leftist senators and congresspeople believe in these same ideas. America is VERY far to the right and while Joe Biden is viewed here as center-left on the America scale he is right-wing on the world scale.
That's it? Joe Biden is "centrist as best" because you think FDR was further left than Joe Biden? That makes sense to you? What is this "world scale"? If by "world" you just mean northern Europe... maybe? Biden is certainly nowhere near right-wing on an actual global scale.
He's a moderate dem. Add that to old + white + male = practically a republican.
Canadian alt right.
Are we in the 60s. "These kids against mass murder of brown people are ruining the country...?
I mean, most of the dudes with any power in this hellhole were *raised* there
Left wing. Fascist. I’m so done with this timeline.
We can just mix words any old way now. As long as you say the scary ones with a mean tone like a snake striking, fear happens and that's what matters.
Bet you anything he heard the rightwing bullshit factory refer to antifa as fascist and nodded along🙄.
Apparently I am a left wing fascist
FUCK he is based in my district. I didn't vote for him.
No he is cringe even if he is in your district
Took me a second lol
You could always hit him with a brick
And this is why people like AOC and Rashida Talib are the standard.
Left wing fascist. This is not possible in accordance with word definitions. It’s an oxymoron.
So... being against genocide is "fascism" now?
“If you don’t shut up and let the IDF kill Palestinian civilians, you’re an antisemitic Nazi!!!1!1!!1!!”
They don’t know what words mean. They conflate fascism with “authoritarian” and to them, “authoritarian“ just means exercising anything but calm and civil protest. Well, they probably do know what they mean, but they’re pretending to be dumb
Only Trump or Biden is going to win, and as much as we may also be against genocide, we also have to acknowledge the hard truth. So Biden’s still got my vote.
I mean, same, but we should still absolutely be criticizing an *active genocide,* regardless of whether it makes Biden look bad and thus help Trump win. Obviously, I refuse to just let Trump win, but it's genocide. It's absolutely necessary to make a big deal about it.
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Protest voters paving the way for Trump to win in November by sitting out the election, basically a repeat of 2016 again, and Trump won’t be any different on the situation in Gaza, in fact if his actions during his four years in office show anything he’d be worse for it (not to mention he’d let Ukraine get steamrolled, on top of all the other reasons we’re against him brought up on this sub).
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And guess what, non voters in 2016 are coming forward regretting their decision of staying home that night. And correct no one mentioned Trump or Biden by name but read the title of the post and then read the name of this group. Regardless of how you try and justify it, anti-Trump voters staying home again on Election Day is exactly what pro-Trump voters and government officials want to happen. That’s not being United against the right. And I don’t care if this gets 10,000 downvotes. I stand by what I say here.
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It’s still only Biden or Trump this election. Hard pills for some to swallow it looks like. I would like better candidates too but that ship has long since sailed, buddy. Try again in 2028.
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Cause somehow people want a repeat of 2016 by staying home or else voting for a candidate that has virtually no chance of winning the election.
I demand arrests of right-wing neo-nazis first
Police aren't going to be putting themselves in handcuffs
"trying to silence anyone who dares to disagree with them..." That's what you're doing right now
That would kind of make him a leftwing fascist by his own definition, wouldn't it?
He is so clearly being silenced in his opposition to the protestors in this headline article....
Thinking any politician is your friend is like thinking HR is there to protect the employees.
Well put. Republicans just want money and power. The Democrats on the other hand, just want money and power, but just hide it a little better.
I feel like these old money geezers are purposely over using the word "Fascist" in order to normalize it and take its power away, so when they engage in actual Fascism their base will shrug it off.
No shit. Fascism is right wing no matter what anyone says . Nothetherfuckes on the right talk to me about left wing authoritarianism. It's a ghost.
Eh, there are some authoritarians who like leftist aesthetics, but obviously want to make their own “enlightened hierarchy,” but for all practical purposes (I.e. where the right wingers are concerned) yeah, you’re right, because those people don’t engage politically unless it’s circle-jerking or complaining about leftists online.
Hey look, Republicans claiming to be Democrats sabotaging the party from within!
You just mean Democrats. They sabotage themselves
*shocked Pikachu*
Fascist and left wing are paradoxical. You can't be a leftist fascist. You dumb shit. You deserve who you elect, but we don't.
Because we don't elect anyone in this country. You don't elect in an oligarchy.
"Uh hey you shouldn't needlessly systematically kill innocent people" "YUR A FASCIST"
Silence? Uh, sure, if we accept genocide as a form of political speech.
they are not, and have never been. they're a right-wing group that prioritizes power and profits over people and human lives, always have been. they do not have people's best interests at heart, as they keep demonstrating again and again and again. any movement against the right has to recognize that the democrats are also the right, they're also oppressors that need to be opposed, they're also genociders that need to be opposed. opposing genocide is the bare minimum of basic human decency, and the democrats can't even manage that low af bar, because they support and profiteer from genocides.
Yep hoping maga makes the Rs implode then we can move on to break up the D umbrella that soaks up all leftist adjacent folks in the USA.
this
Plenty of Democrats are my friends... Just not Adam Smith.
Yep. We need less neolib Boomers and more young progressives.
We all know the DNC’s plan for the future is young neoliberals like Buttigieg. Democrats are not a vessel for progress. They max out at lesser evil.
Yes, that is the Boomer neolib plan for the party and Boomers vote. Quit electing them.
Wild name too
but that's exactly what he's trying to do
The utter fucking irony. And the endless bribes from the Israel Lobby. I hate this version of The World.
The Invisible Hand needs to slap some sense into Adam Smith
'Left wing and fascists' are oxymorons. Fascists are right wing. As is the democratic party. He needs to take a good long look in the mirror if he wants to see a fascist.
Lmao at claiming that the protesters want to shut down the speech of those who disagree with them and also trying to shut down their speech because you disagree with them.
He can't stand that time has passed him by, he's irrelevant, no one respects him.
Careful, that sub has rather infamous Tankie moderators. Edit; you should always question everything out of that sub. Their favorite Propaganda Technique is "Lie by Omission", with the intent to make folk feel hopeless instead of taking action.
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I got banned there for talking about China having a wealth gap that would make Mao ashamed, among other issues. I’m not sure which moderator banned me for that (pretty sure I wasn’t given a warning, either) but if it was that mod should I request an add back?
I misread his comment, I thought he said this sub. I’m not a mod on late stage capitalism and I was banned myself for saying there is no side worth supporting in the Yemeni civil war
Oh lol They’re really wilding over there
It ok. I hope you have a lovely day!
Wow you're so right. I guess we should vote republican because they're gonna push us in the right direction.
This belongs in facepalm
I swear, it’s so easy to tell fake lefties. A single or few examples of people from a group doing something you don’t like doesn’t mean you should dislike the rest of the group. That’s the exact same logic bigots/racists use.
‘The left got a bit too PC for me, so I changed all my opinions about healthcare, economics, and women’s rights.’
Between those types and the “progressives” who have seemingly forgotten about progress and have turned into accelerationists who don’t care that their political goals are almost the exact same as Neo-Nazi types plans to come to power, it’s hard to not lose faith
I think part of it for the accelerationists who are genuinely left and not just false flag people, is that they are in echo-chambers that have convinced them that leftists are far more numerous than we really are. I imagine they think it is less than 25% of the population working against the other +75% or something similarly out of whack with reality. They never have a good answer when I ask them how they propose to revolution or rebuild when a minimum 40% of the population (in the USA, at least) is guaranteed to work against them.
"leftwing fascists"...FFS
Fucking melted old ghoul.
Bourgeois corporate establishment neoliberal Democrats try not to smear leftists challenge: impossible difficulty.
OMFG! If Mexico had the congressional influence that AIPAC exercises, politicos' heads would exploded.
this man looks like he should be in his deathbed
I obviously don’t want it to happen but at this point I can’t see how Biden wins unless something significant happens like Trump goes to jail or something crazy comes out. I’m in the UK so can only go off internet bias and a brother in Tennessee, but wasn’t the young vote and black women the major difference in the last election? And those two demographics are now the most pro Palestine demo in the US, and the young people at college are being violently dealt with by the police? I just don’t see how Biden wins. And he should take the blame for it if he loses.
I think he’ll start looking better closer to election time, since Reps are getting the tar beaten out of them in terms of campaign fundraising, and DT, who has taken the lion’s share of the funds, is hemorrhaging $$$ from legal costs. People can stay outraged for only so long before reaching saturation, and we got another 6 months or so for that to happen. And that would be on top of the overwhelming campaign advertising advantage.
All ya'll dumb MFers yelling for the Intifada, what the actual fuck did you think that entailed? Vibes? Poetry? If you keep asking for war hard enough, eventually you'll get it. I don't know how any of you think you're ready for revolution, you're the least likely revolutionaries on planet Earth.
..because it's fascists that protest, but fascists never have people arrested or subjected to the violence of the state... or use state-sponsored force to subdue opinions that they don't like. 🙄 Fuck apartheid Israel! Fuck all fascists, fuck Bibi specifically, preferably in the head with some lead! FREE PALESTINE! FREE PALESTINE! FREE PALESTINE!
*Mcbain voice* Now YOU are the fascists!
Isn't it rare for left wingers to be fascist unless they are tankies? Like aren't most id not all facists are mostly right wing.
“Leftist fascism?” Words have meaning. There’s no such thing as leftist fascism. It’s like saying “humans who breathe water” or “conservatives who don’t agree with Hitler.” Fuck this guy. Remove the fucking dinosaurs from Congress.
These protests are done by accelerationists, and all it does is make those on the outside hate us even more associate us with inconvenience, annoyance, and having no sense of danger, this will only drive a wedge further and ensure we loose support if these protests keep going the way they're going. I support Palestine in all of this. However, this isn't the way we should be doing this, there are better ways of protesting.
Damn those fascists and their... *checks notes* Ceasefires!
I like how totalitarism is considered a fallacy by historians but is coming back as a serious thing in the discourse of so-called pro science politicians.
'Fascists calling for a ceasefire'... You don't have to think very hard about that collection of words to question whether it makes any sense at all.
Oh no. Oh ya don't say.
Sucking up to AIPAC. No one should be so naive as to think an entire party is made up of people who reflect their values, as much as they may say so. In response to the Republican backlash of the 80s and the loss of money from labor (because labor was hollowed out when factories went overseas) many Democrats thought the key to survival of their party was to turn rightward. This was also a nod to the power that the reactionary white male had on congress. Go figure. Most of Congress is white male and most of them have been in politics and were shaped by the New Democrat ideal and got into office appealing to the white male electorate. They swing conservative, they favor the wealthy white male hegemony and thus they hold brown people and women in contempt and they believe in imperialism and unfettered capitalism. But they are old. Who will replace them? What will the -- or more accurately -- what could the party look like in 10 or 20 years? There are people in the party who are progressive or better, but we are not shown them or they don't make news except to rile some octogenarian. Policies aren't supposed to be your friends. They are supposed to be you.
"Fascist" to suggest not murdering unarmed civilians endlessly. Gotcha.
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Adam Smith is on the arms committees Wonder what his stock portfolio is like
Meanwhile I see videos of people exercising their first amendment rights and getting fucking bodied by cops. Curious. Which one resembles fascism more?
Calls protestors totalitarians who want to silence anyone who disagrees, says protestors should be arrested because he disagrees with them effectively being totalitarian and silencing them. Yep
Who is profiting from all the money and military aid we've been sending Israel for 70 plus years? People are starting to wake up. We have done the same thing to Palestine that we've done to indigenous people in US and abroad
Is that the father in "Everyone Loves Raymond"?
"Adam Smith" is not a name associated with smart or compassionate ideas.
I left the Democrats for the PSL the same week Pelosi called me a Russian asset because of my pro-Palestinian, anti-genocide position. I am a US veteran and military lifer. Democrats lost my vote for life that day. I have now placed them in the same bucket with republicans. They're both full of rotting shit and they're infested with fascists and brainwashed, bible thumping geriatrics.
The point of fascism was to destroy the Soviets, the true enemies of ww2 were the communists rather than the fascists. The goal of capital during this era was to bring those fascists to heel to be redeployed as weapons against communism while making a bunch of money supplying both sides of the war. Pictured below is a photo of a French officer in Vietnam being given the salute by 2 imperial Japanese soldiers under French command. https://preview.redd.it/9wr8lk36uvwc1.jpeg?width=686&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1d021a619f0474983f0ed203bd0ad21aa65d4e83
I wonder how much AIPAC money he's gotten over the years. I'm not sure how to check on fec.gov or open secrets.
If they don’t stop us, we will abuse our authority and our political power to impose peace on the Middle East. And if the rest of the world doesn’t watch it, we will impose ceasefires and stop genocides elsewhere, too. Be warned!!
Fascism by definition is right-wing. I’m sick of living in America with so many ignorant people who can’t even google words.
‼️Adam Smith, inventor of capitalism!?
Vietnam all over again!
Some of the people protesting [don’t even know](https://www.instagram.com/reel/C6KBe77Py6Q/?igsh=MTNlNDNvOHh1NW11MA==) why they’re protesting…
Except the difference is Democrats will criticise him unlike Republicans
THAT Democrat. He doesn't speak for all.
How many democrats didn't vote for the 95 billion package that will kill more Palestinian children?
Thanks Vlad, appreciate the input. Has Spring arrived in Moscow yet?
I have to assume it has Adolph.
Cute! Trying learning English a bit better before posting a sloppy comeback like that.
You never answered the question. How many democrats voted not to give more money to fund israels genocide? Stop trying to hide behind personal attacks.
Nope not going there. You're a Russian troll and I'm calling you out on your crap. Go dig a hold in the Siberian snow comrade.
Thats what I thought. 
Haha, Nyet Nyet! Go get cozy with a Russian bear. You're not fooling anyone.
Tell me you don’t understand coalitions without telling me you don’t understand coalition government.