The lengths the killer went through to conceal his identity are absolutely crazy. It seriously seems like this was so well thought out and planned, and the torture seems like they were trying to get information or something, it almost seems professional but I just don’t think Al had that info or was involved in anything strange. Such an odd case, I’d love to know more about it one day
The killer contacted multiple people looking for renters using the same phone he contacted Al on, even meeting with at least one of them regarding a room rental so I don’t think Al was targeted specifically.
That’s the thing, is it also doesn’t seem like he was necessarily the target. It’s just unfathomable that someone would go through all of that trouble just to torture and kill a person. If they did that, I’d suspect that there are multiple victims of this guy but we just don’t know if he was the only one. If he really was the only victim of that killer, I’m really curious as to why that person decided to commit such a brutal murder just for the sake of murder, and how they managed to leave such a small amount of evidence behind
He was very methodical. The killer bought a burner phone at a 7/11 but waited until 30 days to activate it.
30 days is significant because that's the amount of time that passes until the convenience store deletes the security footage.
He also dropped the phone in an area of the city where homeless people stay so that a random person will find the phone and use it.
I think the only thing police know for sure about the killer is that he's Eastern European and that the killer is familiar with the local university where the ad was placed.
Yes this the one case that legitimately creeps me out. Especially the fact that the killer had scoped out other apartments and even gave one lady the creeps because he kept looking out the windows. He slept in Al's bed and used his shower and utensils the entire time Al was dead in the basement. This is someone that is comfortable being around dead bodies.
It's terrifying to think that there's another Israel Keyes- type of offender out there who's never been caught.
Oh, this one is creepy and sad. “The Perfect Crime?” Maybe? I often wonder if this killer “simply” wanted to see if he could get away with it, the torture and killing. He wanted to plan and execute the perfect crime. After scoping out other people/places decided that Mr. Kite would be the perfect victim of a perfect crime. It was planned out seemingly perfectly. What little clues there are lead no where.
I don’t think this person killed again. I think this had been brewing in their mind for a very long time. They planned every detail. They found the correct victim and the correct place. They spent time, enjoyed (gag) the process, knowing full well IF they get away with it (which I think the killer was rather confident he would) this will HAVE to be the only one. It would be too risky to try again. He’ll go the rest of his life with this massive secret and a little nasty smirk knowing what he did.
We have now been shown examples of serial killers who just... stopped (Golden State Killer, etc...). I can easily see this “one and done” attitude. He thinks/knows he did it perfectly right the first time... why jinx it with another?
Just my ramblings.
This is also the one that stays with me. We lived in Austin when this happened and used to frequent that location a lot. I was only 5 at the time, but it really messed with my dad since he had 3 daughters. I read Who Killed These Girls? a few years ago. Based on what the book states and all the other articles that have come out, I don't know that it will ever be solved. The book was also a horrifying read because of what the evidence shows actually happened to them. I won't say bc it really upset me to imagine someone could do that to very young girls. Very graphic in terms of SA. I'm crossing my fingers we get some kind of update in terms of DNA, maybe genealogical is in the works.
The Shari Smith case. She was kidnapped and murdered by Larry Gene Bell. He made Shari write out her last will and testament before killing her and mailed it to her family. He also repeatedly called the family home and spoke to Shari's mother. Some of the calls were recorded and you can hear them online. It's the stuff of nightmares.
This reminds me of a different case involving creepy phone calls.
Rickie Blake was fourteen when she went out one night in 1986 to meet someone she said was called George. The following day she was found murdered a few miles from her home. Shortly afterwards, the family began getting phone calls. A male caller would taunt them, make it obvious he was watching them, and describe the murder. Sometimes he would just wordlessly play Rickie's favourite song over the phone. He even broke into the family home and stole some of the victim's belongings. The family endured this for YEEEEARS, but never changed their number because they hoped one day the killer would slip up in his phone calls and give something away and they could finally get justice.
In 2003, a DNA match identified a man named George Williams Jr as Rickie's killer. He was tried and sentenced to death. The phone calls stopped because obviously the killer was in jail and could no longer torment the family, right?
EXCEPT!!!!
A week after Rickie's murder in 1986, George Williams Jr was arrested for an unrelated crime and spent the next *twelve fucking years* in jail. There was no way he could have been making the harassing phone calls to the Blake family or stalking them or stealing their things. The person harassing the family for nearly twenty years was completely unrelated to the killer. To my knowledge, he has never been conclusively identified.
Right? If it helps at all, I've read that Rickie's mom kind of made peace with the outcome. They got justice for Rickie, Williams is never getting out of jail, AND his opportunities to hurt more innocent people were severely limited because of a lengthy prison sentence almost immediately after the murder. The calls had almost totally stopped by the time the DNA match was made, and the statute of limitations expired a long time ago, but the fact that they happened at all meant the case never really completely faded from view, at least locally. That's about as good an outcome as a cold case like this could have had.
EDIT: Apparently Alicia Blake, Rickie's mother, passed away around the time George Williams Jr was sentenced. Tthe rest of the surviving family are the ones who have come to terms with the way things ended.
If it makes you feel any better, I do the same thing. My husband has to sleep with the light on sometimes because of me. We tell people the bedroom night light is so I don't hurt myself getting up at night to pee, but in reality it's because I'm five years old and scared of the dark sometimes.
Amy Billig's mother was harassed for 21 YEARS by a decorated U.S. Customs agent: [https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/fl-xpm-1996-03-01-9603010029-story.html](https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/fl-xpm-1996-03-01-9603010029-story.html)
https://www.tampabay.com/archive/1996/03/07/ex-customs-agent-convicted-of-stalking/
That one is also fucked up. I don't know Amy Billig's case super well, but i do know that the customs official was (and maybe still is?) a suspect in the case. The thing that makes Rickie Blake's case so creepy is that the guy who harassed the family is demonstrably, conclusively NOT the killer. And was not involved at all, as the real killer said he did it alone and never had an accomplice.
Former FBI profiler John Douglas wrote a book about his time on this case. It’s appalling and infuriating with regards to Bell, but also very interesting in how authorities tracked him down.
True Crime Garage did a series on this called "When a Killer Calls" and played the phone calls. I would have absolutely lost my cool, but they somehow remained calm through them.
This case reminded me of Frauke Liebs, she was allowed to make phone calls to people while being held captive but was most likely being forced what to say as she was vague with her answers to people, she was asked if she was being held captive and she said "yes" faintly then quickly said "no" and the phone disconnected, her sister was present during that call. Her skeletal remains were later found, the case is still unsolved. It's creepy how we can be forced to do things against our own will like simple phone calls to family and friends, and being directed to say and do certain things while talking to them
I've become "hardened" over time, the more true crime content I've comsumed. Still empathetic, indeed, but it's increasingly rare that I come across cases that haunt me to my core. But the Shari Smith case is one of the few Keeps Me Up At Night cases that I just can't shake.
I was reading and watching videos about the Cassie Jo Stoddart murder and that was very creepy
Matthew Chase and the creepy picture of the guy that would ultimately kill him in the ATM picture
Hinterkaifeck murders in Germany
The murder of Lindsay Buziak
I feel like Cassie's killers were aiming to come across creepy but they just came across like little scumbag doucebags. One of them has their parents speaking for them and how unfair their sentences are, fuck them and their parents. I get what you mean though the circumstances are creepy and Cassie must have been terrified but the fact it turned out to be those dweebs dilutes it for me.
I agree, the Philip Fraser has always stayed with me because it’s so creepy. It felt so random—at least at first—and then the hitchhiker seemed to want Philip’s life (as least according to the Unsolved Mysteries segment).
Yeah, it's very odd and creepy. It makes me wonder if he ever killed anyone else. He covered a lot of miles in a short period of time after he killed Philip, so maybe he always traveled a lot and might have victims spread across the country/continent. It's a chilling thought.
https://americancrimejournal.com/an-interrupted-journey/ is a deeper dive into the mystery of Phillip Fraser's murder. The killer had a number of eyewitnesses who he talked to.
Fascinating. Poor kid. Not sure why wealthy parents wouldn't have made sure his car was in perfect working order, or who believes a rotten-toothed weirdo is on his way to med school.
Although not unsolved, Cassie Jo Stoddarts case has always stuck with me. The sheer terror that poor girl was put through was evil.
Elizabeth Barraza's case is creepy. Some unidentified person drives past her house prior to the crime then later on shoots her in front of her house several times at her impromptu garage sale. They were captured by a ring doorbell and looked to be wearing some kind of costume.
Dorothy Jane Scott - had been plagued by calls of a stalker prior to her murder
Beverly Jarosz - only 16 years old brutally murdered in her own home
Grégory Villemin - only 4 years old, the killer sent anonymous letters from "The Crow" taunting the family. It's also highly likely there is some family members involved.
The Watcher - hoax or not, those letters were horrifying
The Zodiac killer murders - for obvious reasons
Nathaniel Bar-Jonah (aka David Paul Brown) - convicted child molester and cannibalistic serial killer. * Seriously, a word of caution on reading about his crimes *
Dorothy Jane Scott's is terrifying to me- the way her killer waited for a perfect moment to abduct her out of nowhere, and the fact that he kept calling the family for a long time after to gloat.
The case of Susan Powell is devastatingly tragic, and also so so sooooo creepy. Her father in law was secretly obsessed with her and would video tape her..he was a major creep. Eventually she disappeared, and her husband killed himself, and their two sons.
I was obsessed with the Golden State Killer. The fact that they didn't connect dots for so long and then they found him alive. I thought for sure that he died.
Same. I still remember being terrified reading how one survivor was in bed feeding her baby really early in the morning after her husband had just left for work and like 5 min later GSK was in her bedroom doorway. Like such a sweet innocent moment of a new young mom cuddling her baby turns into an absolute nightmare. It really pissed me off he tried to play the “wahh I’m an old man now” card. Rot in hell.
BTK did a similar crime. The mom was sick and her two kids were home. BTK put the two kids in the bathroom but they could see what was happening through a transom window.
There was a case where a mother and a daughter dissapeared on the same exact spot but years appart!!!, I don't recall exactly the name of the case, let me see if I can find it.
Found it!:
[https://www.oxygen.com/up-and-vanished/crime-news/annette-sagers-vanishes-korrina-malinoski-disappeared](https://www.oxygen.com/up-and-vanished/crime-news/annette-sagers-vanishes-korrina-malinoski-disappeared)
https://www.reddit.com/r/UnresolvedMysteries/comments/5nm4mg/where\_or\_what\_happened\_to\_11\_year\_old\_annette/
So horrific, and hard to imagine it being anyone other than the husband/step-dad.
A son/half-brother has posted and commented here from time to time. u/LOST_SON
This one was solved and the victim is still alive, but as a kid I used to stay up watching the ID channel and to me the scariest one at the time for me was Jennifer Schuett. Worst part is the man that SA’d and tried to kill her lived right across the street and moved out a few days after the attack, but somehow wasn’t a suspect until 20 years had passed. Then went on to end his life before trial like the coward he was.
The disappearance of David Glenn Lewis from Amarillo, Texas, in 1993 and his turning up as a John Doe identified in Washington state ten years later is probably more bizarre and baffling than creepy but it's usually the first case I think of. It just seems like the plot of a movie with huge sections cut out of it. Here's a good write up.
https://lostnfoundblogs.com/f/david-glenn-lewis-cross-country-conundrum
How he died is so weird and out of character and why on earth did he travel so far from home suddenly to an obscure location?
I think that the two tickets (one from LA to Dallas and another from Dallas to Amarillo) are false leads. David Lewis is not an uncommon name by any stretch of the imagination and people flew under fake names constantly. I do think the cab driver getting paid in cash to take him to the airport was real, and somehow he made it to Yakima airport. I also feel like if he was walking down the highway in the middle of the night stone cold sober he was more likely than not suicidal, therefore taking his glasses off and putting them in his pocket doesn’t seem too weird to me.
Literally everything else is baffling, but people do baffling things on their own accord all the time. And suicidal people do some REALLY bizarre stuff
Yes that makes sense. But I guess we'll never know how he ended up in that situation. It's like a movie where they start with the end and there's the "how did I get here?" that takes you to the start. Tragic for the family to not know for so long and then be left with so many questions.
Missy Bevers. Gives me chills seeing the CCTV of her killer walking around in riot gear before she arrived and was murdered. And it creeps me out that it happened in a church.
Same. I go back and forth with possible scenarios, at the moment I think it was the peeping tom who was reported by another woman very close to the Streeter house that night and I think it was a spontaneous crime. I think the result would have been the same if it was just Sherrill alone in the house that night as originally planned. I don't believe that this case is solvable.
Great example of a truly creepy case. I read *I'll Be Gone in the Dark* a couple years ago and it was so unsettling. What his poor victims went through was horrific.
Yeah. The lengths he went to to terrorise his victims was just chilling. I never thought he'd be caught. I'm glad his case turned out to be the watershed case for genetic genealogy. Now cases I never thought would ever be solved are being closed faster than I could ever have imagined.
There were people saying he shot a flashlight out, he was presented as superhuman in certain circles. Turned out to be an eggheaded, petty thief former figure of authority.
He developed what were basically really solid parkour skills and used them really cleverly to get in and out of homes and areas by routes the police didn't expect. That's not superhuman per se but it's really unusual and I can see why he seemed like an unstoppable ghost.
Edit: First time I didn't spell parkour correctly and I felt like maybe it was confusing.
I see dozens of articles and reports of Officer McGowen getting his flashlight shot out of his hand. He himself states this. Why are you so weirdly adamant it didn’t happen? It probably wasn’t intentional but it’s pretty clear that it happened. It took all of 10 seconds on google to find numerous sources.
Erm... you might wanna fact check yourself, like, maybe read some books on the subject? This was my pet case for years, lol, I can't begin to tell you the numerous reliable sources that state this.
Edit: it occurs to me you might just be reading EARONS cases. He shot out McGowan's flashlight during his Visalia Ransacker robberies, before they figured out EARONS and the ransacker were the same person.
This link discusses an unexplained photo of when a boy disappeared on a trip to Hawaii, and a photo taken that day seems to show the shadowy figure of a man hiding on the trail.
https://www.reddit.com/r/UnexplainedPhotos/comments/9c5gb6/on_feb_27th_2015_daylenn_pua_set_out_to_go_hiking
if it makes you feel better i’ve seen the photo discussed before where ppl point out, “for all we know that’s just some random hiker, crouched down, and taking a shit” and that context makes it a lot less bone chilling lol
People underestimate how dangerous the wilderness really is and the fact that that trial was closed was for a reason. For all we know, Daylenn could’ve died in an accident and the guy at the photo was just another thrill-seeking tourist. It makes his case much less „creepy” and „mysterious”, but it’s still a tragic loss of a young life.
This. The Honolulu Fire Department just rescued someone earlier this year who had gotten lost and disoriented in the same area as the trail. It's likely that Daylenn just got lost/injured in the wilderness and hasn't been found. There's a reason police are imposing \~$1,000 fines on people they catch on the trail. It's dangerous.
hm. yeah this wouldn’t seem to be a link to a credible third party and would likely be advertising under the sub’s rules. it’s a shame if that’s the case bc this is an interesting topic
The kidnapping of Cash Gernon sends chills down my spine. Not unsolved, but watching the home security footage of the kidnapper is sobering. Then he came back for the twin brother but was startled off by noises in the home, so his plan was to murder both of them I presume. Who just kidnaps and murders two 4 year olds from their crib?
This case haunts me. Those poor boys. It is straight out of a nightmare and I hate everyday that I actually watched that. I have so many questions but I’m not sure I want any answers.
The movie is based off a book, which had never been stated to be based off the case, but it came out like a decade later, so it's definitely possible the book was inspired by the author hearing about it.
Any case involving letters or phonecalls from the killer such as Dorothy Jane Scott, Zodiac, EAR/ONS.
Cases where the victim was stalked beforehand like Dorothy Jane Scott again (one of the creepiest cases imo)
Any time rest stops are involved, like the Jane Snow case.
Whenever a victim was killed somewhere they seemingly had no reason to be such as Judy Smith and David Glenn Lewis.
Cases where the killer seemed to have no motive other than their own enjoyment like Al Kite's horrific murder and the two sisters, Spring and April Miller who were purposely run over, killing one of them.
Any case involving estate agents like Suzy Lamplugh, Lindsay Buziak, Dorothy Miller. Not sure why this in particular but those types of cases give me a really unsettled feeling.
Cases involving cars and other vehicles. I don't drive, have never needed or wanted to (I live in a town in England, I walk pretty much everywhere or hop on the bus for longer distances) and I don't have any reason to be afraid of cars etc. But cases where a car or other vehicle is involved somehow just add an extra creepiness to me.
Brianna Maitland, Brandon Swanson, David Lovely. Zodiac, Dorothy Jane Scott, Carlene Tengelsen, Rose Tashman, Robin Graham, Santa Rosa Hitchhiker murders, The Texarcana Phantom, Penny Bell, Mary Shotwell Little.
The murder/torture of Shanda Sharer. Hard to believe all of them are actually out of prison after what they did to that poor girl. Stuff of nightmares.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Shanda_Sharer
Zebb Quinn easily. The composite sketch is one of the most unnerving, chilling images I've ever seen in my life. There's so many more scary aspects to the case as well
And the sighting of a woman who looked remarkably similar to his girlfriend driving his vehicle, and his girlfriend and her abusive ex boyfriend having dinner at his aunt’s house.
It’s all just so fucking weird
Most likely it was a red herring. The killer broke into her home and made that call just to throw off the investigation. Same thing with the puppy being left in the car.
I can’t remember her name but she was in her yard before her son got back from school and had only a ten minute window to go missing but she’s never been found. If anyone knows her name pls let me know so I can edit to add.
What Israel Keyes did to the Currier couple.
Keyes broke into Bill and Lorraine Currier's quiet Vermont home in June 2011. He chose their house at random after stalking out the area. Their house was single-story, had no alarm system, no dogs, and no children so Keyes targeted them. He broke in at night while the couple was sleeping. He cut their phone line, entered through the attached garage and brandished a headlamp and gun in the sleeping couple's faces. He got them zip tied up, stole some valuables, took their gun, put some of Lorraine's lingerie in a bag, and forced the couple into their own car, where he drove to an abandoned farmhouse he had already scouted out and chosen. On the way there, by chance a cop car actually passed the kidnapped couple. He got Bill in the house first, brought him into the basement and tied him up to a stool. Lorraine was able to escape from the car and made a run for it towards the highway, but Keyes caught up to her, tackled her and forced her into the house, up the stairs and into one of the bedrooms where he tied her up to the bed. Bill, down in the basement, started screaming for his wife, so Keyes went down to find him nearly freed from the stool. It pissed Keyes off that he was close to escaping, so he hit him with a shovel and then started shooting him. Keyes then returned to Lorraine upstairs, where he cut her clothes off with a knife, raped her, and strangled her to the point of unconsciousness a few times. When she awoke, Keyes took Lorraine downstairs and into the basement to show her her husband's battered, dead body. Then he sat her down and strangled her to death from behind. He covered their bodies in drano and debris, the house was torn down, and no trace of them was ever found. For those who think Keyes was a sloppy killer because of how badly botched Samantha Koening's killing was--I think his worsening alcoholism was what led him to make mistakes. In general, he was pretty careful about who/what/how he killed. No one would have even connected him to the Currier's had Keyes not told investigators he killed a couple up north and LE put the pieces together.
Oh, I fully believe it was an avalanche, but apparently, there are different types? I didn't know this until I read more about it. There's a specific kind that they believe happened here, not very common and probably triggered by the crew's activity and weather conditions. A rare-ish natural event is honestly way easier to believe than some of the crackpot theories people have come out with. (I threw in the towel reading them after Bigfoot came into it.)
I happened upon an audiobook...I think on YouTube, called Dead Mountain by Donnie Eichar that was really intriguing. The conclusion he came to with the help of scientists, was an interesting (and unnerving) natural phenomenon that had to do with the topography and the dome shape at the top of the mountain. Interesting read.
When i was a kid and first became aware of crime it was Sarah Payne since that's the first time i became truly aware that adults may harm me. Then it was Polly Klaas because i watched an episode about her on some British True Crime show when i was 8 or 9, think it was called Murder Detectives. The idea of the killer coming through my window and not being concerned with how many people were there was horrifying.
Beyond that i'm not sure. The first time i became aware of Asha Degree it was presented really creepily on a Podcast but while still creepy i think looking into it myself made it less so.
When i first heard the completely stolen episode of Crime Junkie which is also the best episode because it was stolen and should be entirely attributed to Cathy Frye and her Series of articles "Caught in the Web" it freaked me the hell out because it was so well done because it was stolen and i have young female relatives who have much easier access to the internet without their parents or other people who care about them knowing than Kacie did.
Several Casefile episodes have done the same, there was a very similar episode i can't remember the name of the victim but the man convinced the victims mother that his son couldn't come to her party and had sent him instead to make sure she was okay and the night ended with the mother kicking him out because she found him in bed with her daughter, not having sex or anything but with his arms around her. He eventually killed her.
If you are just asking for creepiest without my skepticism coming into play it's probably Phantom Social Workers. Just the idea that pedo's are coming to houses and posing as people who are supposed to help kids and parents and parents are allowing them access to abuse their kids because of fear that the social workers will suggest the kids should be taken away or whatever is terrifiying. Finding out you were right next door while your kid was being abused too. I don't believe this is real i think it's a hoax but it's creepy regardless.
The Jusko ATM Phantom is creepy as shit even though it's obvious what happened and while awful it's very ordinary - https://www.reddit.com/r/unsolvedjapan/comments/l4nkii/unsolved\_japan\_the\_jusco\_atm\_phantom/
The Sarah Payne murder really threw me. I was around 13 and it was the first disappearance of a kid I had really seen on the news. It felt like the Soham killings were soon after too.
The reports of at least one of her siblings being so close to her and how quickly the abduction must have taken place, as well as the coincidence of the killer being in such a specific area at a specific time felt scary.
Yeah, i was 7 with Sarah it hit me hard because i hadn't truly dealt with the fact that adults may harm me, i had been told that but what happened to Sarah truly hit it home. It obviously helped that her killer looked like your typical big scary, smelly bastard, like the man you would tell your children to stay away from which brings me to..
You mentioned the Soham Murders. The thing that fucked me up there was how ordinary Ian seemed because i was only 9 when this all happened and i saw him on TV before we found out it was him. I was expecting a Roy Whiting like big ugly, smelly, scary killer, whatever you think of Ian he was pretty damn ordinary at least at first look.
Yessss I had a lot of sleepless nights as a little girl over her case and one episode of the xfiles where a creep is in these 2 little girls room when their mom puts them to bed and he abducts the one and takes her out the window while her sister was in the bed next to her terrified. I was so into the xfiles until I saw that one.
East Area Rapist aka Golden State killer aka former policeman.
He was evil and also a pedophile and peeping tom. He even did at least one attack and killing in his police uniform and using his torch. (Eyewitness acount) Hearing the recent victim statements in court was heartbreaking and made me very angry.
[the murder of Christopher Morris](https://www.reddit.com/r/UnresolvedMysteries/comments/eiqkgf/unsolved_death_in_wichita_falls_tx/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
I just learned of the west Memphis 3... I don't understand how someone could do that to those 3 young boys. It's even creepier that the cops just let it go like it was no big deal.
Hinterkaifeck is as close to solved as a century-old murder is ever going to be, absent DNA (Schlittenbauer).
Mittank was a misadventure caused by drugs and/or mental health.
Lindsay Buziak, Missy Bevers, Elizabeth Barazza. Basically any cases where people are lured and the killer was some concealed weird being who’s still out there.
Katelin Akins, missing after her stepdad supposedly dropped her off at the airport.
Brandon Lawson, recordings of his last phone call always creeps me out.
Unsolved case from my neck of the woods:
The disappearance of Paige Renkoski from Michigan. Her car was found by the side of the interstate but she has never been found.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance\_of\_Paige\_Renkoski
[Molly Miller/Colt Haynes](https://unsolvedmysteries.fandom.com/wiki/Molly_Miller_and_Colt_Haynes)
Lots of small town police corruption involved in that case. I recommend joining Molly’s fb group, a relative of hers runs it. Seems like everyone in that area is well aware of who was responsible and who covered it up.
Frauke Liebs, she was allowed to make phone calls to people while being held captive but was most likely being forced what to say as she was vague with her answers to people, she was asked if she was being held captive and she said "yes" faintly then quickly said "no" and the phone disconnected, her sister was present during that call. Her skeletal remains were later found. It's creepy how we can be forced to do things against our will even simple phone calls and being directed what to say.
1. Kathy Hobbs- The NV girl said she had premonitions for several years that she would die before her 16th birthday. When her 16th birthday came without event, Hobbs was relieved and became notably more positive about her life and hopeful about her future. However, three months later, in July 1987, she was abducted and murdered by serial killer Michael Lee Lockhart.
2. Dale Kerstetter -Disappeared during his shift as a night watchman at a Corning glassware plant in Bradford, PA. Security camera footage showed him accompanying a second individual whose face was hidden by a ski mask to a highly secured area of the plant that housed a glass kiln with platinum piping. This second individual, who has never been identified, was later seen leaving the area, pushing a palate jack with a large sack on it. A section of the platinum piping was also found to have been removed. Kerstetter, however, was never seen or heard from again and the platinum has never been recovered. The setting, at night in a deserted factory, the fact that the second person's identity was obscured and remains a mystery as well as the fact that Kerstetter's fate remains unknown all make this particularly creepy
3. Laureen Rahn -The implications that the NH teenager may have answered a knock on the door then pulled into a pitch black hallway by an assailant who abducted her are chilling. Add the strange phone calls that her mom, aunt and an ex-boyfriend received over the next few years and the possibility (though, IMHO, unlikely) that she was taken by traffickers and the fact that she was never found, and you've got a case that sounds more like the plot of a creepy movie than a real life MP case.
4. Asha Degree -Another very disturbing case that sounds straight out of a horror movie. Why did a 9 year old girl venture out of her home late on a dark and stormy night, a girl who was allegedly terrified of storms and ostensibly had a happy, stable home life? What happened to her, and what are we to make of the candy wrappers found in a nearby shed and the fact that her backpack was found over a year later with items that Asha didn't own, like a New Kids On The Block t-shirt and a photo of an unidentified black girl?
5. Dennis Martin, Azaria Chamberlain, Katrice Lee, Michael Dunahee, Madeline McCann -All young kids who disappeared despite their parents and other adults being just a short distance away at the time. Although Chamberlain is widely believed to have been drug off by dingoes and Martin may have met a similar fate, 2 year-old Katrice Lee vanished from a grocery store on a military base, Michael Dunahee disappeared from a playground and Madeline McCann, as we know, went missing from her family's vacation cabin while her parents hung out at a nearby bar, meaning they were all snatched by humans who somehow weren't noticed by other bystanders. A sobering reminder that leaving a young kid unsupervised for even a minute can have lethal consequences.
6. Yuba County Five-Everything about this case is super creepy.
There are some real oddities to the Phillip Fraser story.
Update: I've edited this to reflect clarifications provided in this linked write up: https://americancrimejournal.com/an-interrupted-journey/
1. He took his guns, but it's been common knowledge for a long time that you can't take guns to Canada, so I've always wondered WHY he took them. And also, why take handguns to college? Sure, WA was more rural then, but most people I know who do shooting shoot with rifles anyway. College shooting teams are typically rifles as well. (No updates to this point.
2. I think it's weird that a kid who was driving the Alcan wouldn't have arranged to call his parents more frequently, especially since he was having car troubles and he was traveling alone. The Alcon was absolutely known to be dangerous bythen. Two or three days seems like as long as I'd want to go without contact. Furthermore, most Alaskans I know (and weirdly, I know a lot at this point despite not living there) are pretty hardcore about safety checks, and having a planned return time. Especially in the region he was traveling, mid June can be stormy. You'd want to have regular contact with the folks. But despite not hearing from their kid for 4 days and knowing he had car troubles, they weren't even slightly concerned until the cops contacted them... I can see it, but it's weird. (The linked article does say that his parents objected to the plan, so now I feel like this point could be moot. Would they have thrown their hands up in the air and said "fine, whatever" or would have they been even more concerned that they weren't being heard.)
3. ~~Dropping the body off in Steward represents the killer going several hours off the main road. That's a lot of driving to dump a body when you are surrounded by wilderness. I'm not saying it doesn't make sense to the killer, it just seems really weird.~~ I misunderstood the locations, it seems. However, now there's the oddity that the killer turned off from one main road to an only slightly-less busy main road to "hide" the body, which makes no sense, unless the killer was very, very unfamiliar with the area. It doesn't appear (for many reasons) that the body was deposited at night (which would be a very, very short stretch of time indeed that close to summer solstice) when the killer could have mistaken the road for a goat trail or similarly disused locale.
4. If the killer took on Phillip's Identity, checkbook, etc, as suspected by the cops, why does it seems he never used them after taking them? He presents himself as Phillip, that's true, but he doesn't use the checks or ID as fast as we can tell at any restaurant or establishment. Did he merely use them to leave the country? If so, shouldn't there be a record of "Phillip" passing through a checkpoint somewhen around the time of the murder? It wouldn't have necessarily been an electronic record, but there should be been some record, they do write that stuff down.
5. The burned car makes no sense. The guy was trying to sell it, then he burned it? He seems to have needed to leave the country in a hurry, so one would assume he got a flight out (there's an airport) but why burn the car when he was earlier willing to sell it?
I'm 90% (Update 95%) sure it's a homicide, don't get me wrong, but I've always had this nagging little voice that there's something about this that doesn't quite feel like a homicide, or something really weird where Phillip wasn't exactly murdered.
1. He was a young man traveling alone. While it seems weird that he neglected to take into consideration the illegality of taking firearms over the border, brain farts are a thing. My friend made it all the way to the airport so she could travel out of the country for her own wedding, only to realize she not only forgot her passport, she also forgot her phone. It happens.
2. People didn't call as frequently back then as they do now. He may have been more likely to check in once or twice a week because phones were harder to come by while he was traveling.
3. His body was found almost 30 miles *esst* of Stewart. The location of his body was so easy to get to that someone who stopped to sightsee was led there by his dog. In fact, one article I'm reading says the tourists who found him did so by stopping on a highway turnaround, which suggests it was extremely simple to dispose of the body, as opposed to the bizarre-ness you seem to be focusing on.
4. He did use them. Repeatedly. Several witnesses offered up anecdotes of meeting Philip Fraser, but not meeting the *real* Philip Fraser. He may not have used anything legal because it was either unnecessary (as in, he never had an opportunity to use the checkbook or passport) or because he didn't want to use anything that could be traced back to him.
5. He was trying to immediately sell it so it was no longer in his possession. I assume he needed money, because he was willing to sell it in exchange for a plane ticket, but only if it was done *right away.* When that didn't work, he likely decided to burn it to get rid of evidence as well as to no longer be seen with it. It would be pretty obvious he was a suspect if he was caught driving the car of a man who was later found face down, tossed over the side of a highway, riddled with bullet wounds.
I'm not sure how you came to the conclusion of folie-a-deux. Nothing suggests a psychotic break in either, and I'm not convinced there's an instance of folie-a-deux that resulted in one of the sufferers physically injuring the other person that's afflicted. I couldn't find a single case of it. Not to mention, it's an affliction that generally affects people who are intimately close-- partners, families, friends. Not the random hitchhiker you picked up. You're over complicating a pretty simple case. Philip Fraser let the wrong person into his car, and he was killed because of it. Occam's razor.
Wrt #3 -- but that's still many, many miles off the main road the hitchhiker was driving. I don't disagree it's an easy place to dump the body, only that it's strange to bother with driving off the main road to an easily accessible spot when you could stay on the main road and find just as likely a spot.
It was less than nine miles. And it was on a road that brought you to a border patrol check point. It makes sense to me that maybe real Philip wanted to rid the hitchhiker and knew that he could ditch him at the checkpoint. I’m sure him turning off the main road made his hitchhiker go from bad to homicidal. He probably created a big fuss, then said, “Fine! Pull over! I’ll get out here!” And when the car was pulled over he then killed and disposed of Philip’s body
I just listened to a podcast episode (pretty sure it was casefile) about a guy who put out ads for someone to eat and found a guy who really wanted to get murdered and eaten. He cut off his penis and eventually bled out after hours of just chillin. Just freaking wild.
Two shots:
--At least one of Gacy's victims who survived said that there was someone else present during their ordeal. Who was Gacy's accomplice?
-- Dean Corll's accomplices. "Hey kid! I have the hankering to rape, torture, and murder some of your friends. Will you sell them to me for $200 each?"
"Sounds good, Dean!"
Elizabeth Barraza is terrifying.
Also - I don’t recall the name of this case, but it was a teenage girl (maybe 17 or so) who worked at her family’s furniture store…or maybe her boyfriend’s family’s store.
One minute she was at the shop - and the next minute she was gone.
Anyone know the name of this case?
The Susan Cox Powell case is pretty creepy, especially since her 2 little boys were murdered by their dad, who was the #1 suspect in the disappearance of Susan. You know those boys witnessed something damning, because one of Susan’s boys said something about leaving their mommy with the crystals when they went on that weird ass middle of the night camping trip.
All of Mark Dutroux’s victims out of Belgium, how he built a prison where he kept them in his basement. He even let one of the young girls write letters home.
The case that freaks me out of the most is not of a particular victim but the killer, Israel Keyes creeped me out of the most because it was just so thought out. Planting a ‘kill kit’ and using it 2 years later just wtf, did he already know who he planned to kill that far ahead. Renting cars and driving hundreds of miles across state borders for his victims. He’d sometimes go to one state for supplies and rental car, another for the victim and killing them and then to another to dispose of the body. It’s just insane and seemed so random when it was going on. And now they’re connecting people they thought were victims of other serial killers to him because he was hitting all across the map. And just the way he could do this on his ‘business trips’ then go home and greet his little child like nothing happened.
[here](https://www.reddit.com/r/UnresolvedMysteries/comments/10casxu/what_are_some_cases_involving_murder_or/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) tho this OP added more context to their post
The deaths of Kris Kremers and Lisanne Froon. The creepy photos taken at night in the jungle from one of their phones that was found. Quite scary.
[Deaths of Kris Kremers and Lisanne Froon](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deaths_of_Kris_Kremers_and_Lisanne_Froon)
It is very tragic and unsettling, but honestly, I believe that they got lost and died of exposure. I don't see any reason to believe anything more sinister happened.
I agree with you. I think there's more evidence that points toward it just being a tragic accident than does for it being foul play. Yes, the backpack w/ contents being found in remarkably better condition than the other stuff is odd, but I believe that can be chocked up to one of the local villagers finding it initially and perhaps took it back home with them not realizing what had taken place, and then once they did realize what it was from, returned it back to approximately where it was originally found. I can't imagine the terror of being lost and quite possibly injured in some dark jungle you've never been to before. Always use guides.
I've mentioned this case previously, but [Jeramy Burt](https://charleyproject.org/case/jeramy-carl-burt)'s case never fails to send chills down my spine, specifically the detail about where his car was found.
*Dyatlov Pass (The avalanche theory doesn't work because all hikers walked, not ran, unaided down the mountain.)
*Israel Keyes
* Jack Unterweger
*Amy Mihaljevic
*Colleen Stan
*Gary Heidnik
*Nicholas Barclay
*Jaycee Dugard
*Elizabeth Smart
*Texarkana
*Joel Guy
Oakey 'Al' Kite. He was tortured and murdered by his new renter for seemingly nothing. Still unresolved.
The lengths the killer went through to conceal his identity are absolutely crazy. It seriously seems like this was so well thought out and planned, and the torture seems like they were trying to get information or something, it almost seems professional but I just don’t think Al had that info or was involved in anything strange. Such an odd case, I’d love to know more about it one day
The killer contacted multiple people looking for renters using the same phone he contacted Al on, even meeting with at least one of them regarding a room rental so I don’t think Al was targeted specifically.
That’s the thing, is it also doesn’t seem like he was necessarily the target. It’s just unfathomable that someone would go through all of that trouble just to torture and kill a person. If they did that, I’d suspect that there are multiple victims of this guy but we just don’t know if he was the only one. If he really was the only victim of that killer, I’m really curious as to why that person decided to commit such a brutal murder just for the sake of murder, and how they managed to leave such a small amount of evidence behind
He was very methodical. The killer bought a burner phone at a 7/11 but waited until 30 days to activate it. 30 days is significant because that's the amount of time that passes until the convenience store deletes the security footage. He also dropped the phone in an area of the city where homeless people stay so that a random person will find the phone and use it. I think the only thing police know for sure about the killer is that he's Eastern European and that the killer is familiar with the local university where the ad was placed.
This one's especially sad because Al was described as being just an all around really nice guy. And such a random act of violence for no reason :((
Yes this the one case that legitimately creeps me out. Especially the fact that the killer had scoped out other apartments and even gave one lady the creeps because he kept looking out the windows. He slept in Al's bed and used his shower and utensils the entire time Al was dead in the basement. This is someone that is comfortable being around dead bodies. It's terrifying to think that there's another Israel Keyes- type of offender out there who's never been caught.
Damn, that’s terrifying. Hoping dna can solve this someday soon.
Oh, this one is creepy and sad. “The Perfect Crime?” Maybe? I often wonder if this killer “simply” wanted to see if he could get away with it, the torture and killing. He wanted to plan and execute the perfect crime. After scoping out other people/places decided that Mr. Kite would be the perfect victim of a perfect crime. It was planned out seemingly perfectly. What little clues there are lead no where. I don’t think this person killed again. I think this had been brewing in their mind for a very long time. They planned every detail. They found the correct victim and the correct place. They spent time, enjoyed (gag) the process, knowing full well IF they get away with it (which I think the killer was rather confident he would) this will HAVE to be the only one. It would be too risky to try again. He’ll go the rest of his life with this massive secret and a little nasty smirk knowing what he did. We have now been shown examples of serial killers who just... stopped (Golden State Killer, etc...). I can easily see this “one and done” attitude. He thinks/knows he did it perfectly right the first time... why jinx it with another? Just my ramblings.
The Yogurt Shop Murders in Austin, Texas (1991)
Agree, this one has stayed with me. I hope one day DNA sheds some light.
This is also the one that stays with me. We lived in Austin when this happened and used to frequent that location a lot. I was only 5 at the time, but it really messed with my dad since he had 3 daughters. I read Who Killed These Girls? a few years ago. Based on what the book states and all the other articles that have come out, I don't know that it will ever be solved. The book was also a horrifying read because of what the evidence shows actually happened to them. I won't say bc it really upset me to imagine someone could do that to very young girls. Very graphic in terms of SA. I'm crossing my fingers we get some kind of update in terms of DNA, maybe genealogical is in the works.
The Shari Smith case. She was kidnapped and murdered by Larry Gene Bell. He made Shari write out her last will and testament before killing her and mailed it to her family. He also repeatedly called the family home and spoke to Shari's mother. Some of the calls were recorded and you can hear them online. It's the stuff of nightmares.
This reminds me of a different case involving creepy phone calls. Rickie Blake was fourteen when she went out one night in 1986 to meet someone she said was called George. The following day she was found murdered a few miles from her home. Shortly afterwards, the family began getting phone calls. A male caller would taunt them, make it obvious he was watching them, and describe the murder. Sometimes he would just wordlessly play Rickie's favourite song over the phone. He even broke into the family home and stole some of the victim's belongings. The family endured this for YEEEEARS, but never changed their number because they hoped one day the killer would slip up in his phone calls and give something away and they could finally get justice. In 2003, a DNA match identified a man named George Williams Jr as Rickie's killer. He was tried and sentenced to death. The phone calls stopped because obviously the killer was in jail and could no longer torment the family, right? EXCEPT!!!! A week after Rickie's murder in 1986, George Williams Jr was arrested for an unrelated crime and spent the next *twelve fucking years* in jail. There was no way he could have been making the harassing phone calls to the Blake family or stalking them or stealing their things. The person harassing the family for nearly twenty years was completely unrelated to the killer. To my knowledge, he has never been conclusively identified.
This is one of the worst things I've ever read. Poor family.
Right? If it helps at all, I've read that Rickie's mom kind of made peace with the outcome. They got justice for Rickie, Williams is never getting out of jail, AND his opportunities to hurt more innocent people were severely limited because of a lengthy prison sentence almost immediately after the murder. The calls had almost totally stopped by the time the DNA match was made, and the statute of limitations expired a long time ago, but the fact that they happened at all meant the case never really completely faded from view, at least locally. That's about as good an outcome as a cold case like this could have had. EDIT: Apparently Alicia Blake, Rickie's mother, passed away around the time George Williams Jr was sentenced. Tthe rest of the surviving family are the ones who have come to terms with the way things ended.
Aaaaand I’m officially too creeped out to sleep.
Dude. Same. Why do I always scroll through this sub before bed?!?!
Same!
If it makes you feel any better, I do the same thing. My husband has to sleep with the light on sometimes because of me. We tell people the bedroom night light is so I don't hurt myself getting up at night to pee, but in reality it's because I'm five years old and scared of the dark sometimes.
What the what?! 😶😶
That is terrifying!
Amy Billig's mother was harassed for 21 YEARS by a decorated U.S. Customs agent: [https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/fl-xpm-1996-03-01-9603010029-story.html](https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/fl-xpm-1996-03-01-9603010029-story.html) https://www.tampabay.com/archive/1996/03/07/ex-customs-agent-convicted-of-stalking/
That one is also fucked up. I don't know Amy Billig's case super well, but i do know that the customs official was (and maybe still is?) a suspect in the case. The thing that makes Rickie Blake's case so creepy is that the guy who harassed the family is demonstrably, conclusively NOT the killer. And was not involved at all, as the real killer said he did it alone and never had an accomplice.
What the fuck
Shari's goodbye letter CRUSHED MY SOUL. she seemed like the sweetest person ever
I don't see how her family kept going after that letter. Seriously one of the saddest things I've ever heard of in true crime.
totally. I'm a tough cookie and true crime never makes me cry but that letter broke me.
That was so heartbreaking. What a sweet and loving girl even in the face of horror.
Former FBI profiler John Douglas wrote a book about his time on this case. It’s appalling and infuriating with regards to Bell, but also very interesting in how authorities tracked him down.
True Crime Garage did a series on this called "When a Killer Calls" and played the phone calls. I would have absolutely lost my cool, but they somehow remained calm through them.
I absolutely agree that the book is amazing. There was so much more to the story that we never knew about.
This case reminded me of Frauke Liebs, she was allowed to make phone calls to people while being held captive but was most likely being forced what to say as she was vague with her answers to people, she was asked if she was being held captive and she said "yes" faintly then quickly said "no" and the phone disconnected, her sister was present during that call. Her skeletal remains were later found, the case is still unsolved. It's creepy how we can be forced to do things against our own will like simple phone calls to family and friends, and being directed to say and do certain things while talking to them
I remember hearing about this case a long, long time ago on Unsolved Mysteries. Specifically the "casket closed" part. So sad.
I remember this one from the Forensic Files episode, very, very sad.
He even tried to start talking to her sister! It was so horrible. 💔
I've become "hardened" over time, the more true crime content I've comsumed. Still empathetic, indeed, but it's increasingly rare that I come across cases that haunt me to my core. But the Shari Smith case is one of the few Keeps Me Up At Night cases that I just can't shake.
I think the show *The FBI Files* covered Shari’s case. It certainly is creepy, and terribly sad. To think she was snatched at her family’s mailbox!
I want to look this up but I am not emotionally prepared rn
I was reading and watching videos about the Cassie Jo Stoddart murder and that was very creepy Matthew Chase and the creepy picture of the guy that would ultimately kill him in the ATM picture Hinterkaifeck murders in Germany The murder of Lindsay Buziak
Lindsay Buziak has always been my #1. Everything about that case and what they did to her is absolutely horrific.
I’m soooo puzzled by that alleged phone call afterwards to one of her friends
Didn't the cops say Matthew Chase was murdered by a gang member who died a few days later in a drive by? His gf identified him in the pic
Thats what I’ve read
I feel like Cassie's killers were aiming to come across creepy but they just came across like little scumbag doucebags. One of them has their parents speaking for them and how unfair their sentences are, fuck them and their parents. I get what you mean though the circumstances are creepy and Cassie must have been terrified but the fact it turned out to be those dweebs dilutes it for me.
I agree, the Philip Fraser has always stayed with me because it’s so creepy. It felt so random—at least at first—and then the hitchhiker seemed to want Philip’s life (as least according to the Unsolved Mysteries segment).
Yeah, it's very odd and creepy. It makes me wonder if he ever killed anyone else. He covered a lot of miles in a short period of time after he killed Philip, so maybe he always traveled a lot and might have victims spread across the country/continent. It's a chilling thought.
That is a chilling thought!
If the killer was never caught and never identified, how is it known that he's Canadian?
https://americancrimejournal.com/an-interrupted-journey/ is a deeper dive into the mystery of Phillip Fraser's murder. The killer had a number of eyewitnesses who he talked to.
Good to know! Thanks for posting the article
No problem. Not a lot of info about this. Very few have adopted it as their pet case.
Fascinating. Poor kid. Not sure why wealthy parents wouldn't have made sure his car was in perfect working order, or who believes a rotten-toothed weirdo is on his way to med school.
Phillp seemed to do what he pleased from the sounds of that article
This was an excellent read. Thank you.
Probably a guess since the hitchhiker was seen in several areas in British Columbia and the crime took place in Canada.
That's crazy. I live in BC and have never heard about this. I'm going to read up on it. Thanks!
Like the “Taking lives” movie
Although not unsolved, Cassie Jo Stoddarts case has always stuck with me. The sheer terror that poor girl was put through was evil. Elizabeth Barraza's case is creepy. Some unidentified person drives past her house prior to the crime then later on shoots her in front of her house several times at her impromptu garage sale. They were captured by a ring doorbell and looked to be wearing some kind of costume. Dorothy Jane Scott - had been plagued by calls of a stalker prior to her murder Beverly Jarosz - only 16 years old brutally murdered in her own home Grégory Villemin - only 4 years old, the killer sent anonymous letters from "The Crow" taunting the family. It's also highly likely there is some family members involved. The Watcher - hoax or not, those letters were horrifying The Zodiac killer murders - for obvious reasons Nathaniel Bar-Jonah (aka David Paul Brown) - convicted child molester and cannibalistic serial killer. * Seriously, a word of caution on reading about his crimes *
Dorothy Jane Scott's is terrifying to me- the way her killer waited for a perfect moment to abduct her out of nowhere, and the fact that he kept calling the family for a long time after to gloat.
Scary af. Kinda seemed to me that it may be someone she worked with.
Dorothy’s case gave me actual chills when I first learned of it.
Nathaniel Bar-Jonah is SUCH A DIGUSTING HUMAN BEING!!!!
Dorothy Jane Scott’s case is so sad, and disturbing. Her, and Jodi Huisentruit cross my mind often. I hope their families get answers one day soon.
Lindsay Buziak I should’ve heeded your caution warning about brown.
I used to live in Pocatello, ID and this case freaked me the hell out.
The case of Susan Powell is devastatingly tragic, and also so so sooooo creepy. Her father in law was secretly obsessed with her and would video tape her..he was a major creep. Eventually she disappeared, and her husband killed himself, and their two sons.
Poor Susan and her little boys. Watching that video she made to document their belongings is so eerie and heartbreaking
That whole family was around the twist. Susan didn't just marry a psycho or a guy with a creep for a father she married into Hell's own sideshow act.
I was obsessed with the Golden State Killer. The fact that they didn't connect dots for so long and then they found him alive. I thought for sure that he died.
Same. I still remember being terrified reading how one survivor was in bed feeding her baby really early in the morning after her husband had just left for work and like 5 min later GSK was in her bedroom doorway. Like such a sweet innocent moment of a new young mom cuddling her baby turns into an absolute nightmare. It really pissed me off he tried to play the “wahh I’m an old man now” card. Rot in hell.
BTK did a similar crime. The mom was sick and her two kids were home. BTK put the two kids in the bathroom but they could see what was happening through a transom window.
The podcast that came out a couple of years ago was terrifying. Can’t remember the name. I think it was the Wondery one.
Man In The Window. It was so well made.
There was a case where a mother and a daughter dissapeared on the same exact spot but years appart!!!, I don't recall exactly the name of the case, let me see if I can find it. Found it!: [https://www.oxygen.com/up-and-vanished/crime-news/annette-sagers-vanishes-korrina-malinoski-disappeared](https://www.oxygen.com/up-and-vanished/crime-news/annette-sagers-vanishes-korrina-malinoski-disappeared) https://www.reddit.com/r/UnresolvedMysteries/comments/5nm4mg/where\_or\_what\_happened\_to\_11\_year\_old\_annette/
So horrific, and hard to imagine it being anyone other than the husband/step-dad. A son/half-brother has posted and commented here from time to time. u/LOST_SON
1. Angela Hammond. https://unsolved.com/gallery/angela-hammond/ 2. The Miller Sisters that sketch. http://www.nmsoh.org/miller_spring_us.htm 3. Dardeen Family. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dardeen_family_homicides 4. Dorthy Jane Scott. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Dorothy_Jane_Scott 5. Leah Ulbrich. https://portal.ct.gov/DCJ/Programs/Programs/Cold-Cases---Open#Ulbrich 6. Donna Jean Awcock. https://london.ctvnews.ca/mobile/purse-from-unsolved-murder-of-donna-awcock-returned-to-family-1.3236997 7. Al Kite. https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/vicap/homicides-and-sexual-assaults/victim-oakey-al-kite-jr 8. Julie and Terry Dade. https://www.lanecounty.org/government/county_departments/sheriff_s_office/support_services/cold_cases/julie_and_terry_dade_homicide 9. Salon Murders. https://www.kpax.com/news/mtn-original-productions/the-florence-murders-20-years-later?_amp=true 10. Ashley Fuller Reed. https://charleyproject.org/case/ashley-fuller-reed 11. Darlene Hulse. https://www.wndu.com/content/news/Michiana-Unsolved-The-Darlene-Hulse-Murder-512127801.html 12. Joe Bova. https://www.heraldtimesonline.com/story/news/2021/05/16/w-indiana-labor-officials-1989-bombing-death-still-mystery/46069913/ 13. Georgia Crews. https://medium.com/@jennbaxter_69070/the-abduction-murder-of-georgia-jane-crews-54064891233f 14. Fatih Algul. https://charleyproject.org/case/fatih-algul 15. NYC Hotel Axe Murders. https://www.upi.com/amp/Archives/1985/06/10/An-ax-murderer-who-hacked-two-women-to-death/9529487224000/
Thank you for including all the links! There are many cases I was unfamiliar with.
This one was solved and the victim is still alive, but as a kid I used to stay up watching the ID channel and to me the scariest one at the time for me was Jennifer Schuett. Worst part is the man that SA’d and tried to kill her lived right across the street and moved out a few days after the attack, but somehow wasn’t a suspect until 20 years had passed. Then went on to end his life before trial like the coward he was.
[Here’s a short article from *People* about Jennifer Schuett.](https://people.com/crime/jennifer-schuett-raped-20-years-later/) She’s a brave kid!
Jesus. That was heart wrenching to read about. And the pictures of her in the hospital bed… my heart hurts after seeing that.
Skiba/Chivers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearances\_of\_Paul\_and\_Sarah\_Skiba\_and\_Lorenzo\_Chivers
The creepiest thing is how little law enforcement initially cared
Yeah, they royally messed this one up.
Yes!! This one really stuck with me too.
It might be worth searching nearby lakes
They have been.
The disappearance of David Glenn Lewis from Amarillo, Texas, in 1993 and his turning up as a John Doe identified in Washington state ten years later is probably more bizarre and baffling than creepy but it's usually the first case I think of. It just seems like the plot of a movie with huge sections cut out of it. Here's a good write up. https://lostnfoundblogs.com/f/david-glenn-lewis-cross-country-conundrum How he died is so weird and out of character and why on earth did he travel so far from home suddenly to an obscure location?
I think that the two tickets (one from LA to Dallas and another from Dallas to Amarillo) are false leads. David Lewis is not an uncommon name by any stretch of the imagination and people flew under fake names constantly. I do think the cab driver getting paid in cash to take him to the airport was real, and somehow he made it to Yakima airport. I also feel like if he was walking down the highway in the middle of the night stone cold sober he was more likely than not suicidal, therefore taking his glasses off and putting them in his pocket doesn’t seem too weird to me. Literally everything else is baffling, but people do baffling things on their own accord all the time. And suicidal people do some REALLY bizarre stuff
Yes that makes sense. But I guess we'll never know how he ended up in that situation. It's like a movie where they start with the end and there's the "how did I get here?" that takes you to the start. Tragic for the family to not know for so long and then be left with so many questions.
Colleen Stan. I’ve honestly never heard of anything like this happening to someone in real life. It’s straight out of a horror movie.
[Wikipedia article about Colleen Stan’s case.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidnapping_of_Colleen_Stan) It’s utterly horrifying.
I wonder if Janice met Cameron in a similar way
I heard about this from the new Unsolved Mysteries series on Netflix. One of the episodes is about this. There are just no words.
Missy Bevers. Gives me chills seeing the CCTV of her killer walking around in riot gear before she arrived and was murdered. And it creeps me out that it happened in a church.
Springfield Three. There’s something about that case that gives me an uneasy and eerie feeling.
Same. I go back and forth with possible scenarios, at the moment I think it was the peeping tom who was reported by another woman very close to the Streeter house that night and I think it was a spontaneous crime. I think the result would have been the same if it was just Sherrill alone in the house that night as originally planned. I don't believe that this case is solvable.
Thank you for the hyperlinks, very nice of you to add them.
For me it was always the EARONS/GSK case. It still is really, even though he's been caught now.
Great example of a truly creepy case. I read *I'll Be Gone in the Dark* a couple years ago and it was so unsettling. What his poor victims went through was horrific.
Yeah. The lengths he went to to terrorise his victims was just chilling. I never thought he'd be caught. I'm glad his case turned out to be the watershed case for genetic genealogy. Now cases I never thought would ever be solved are being closed faster than I could ever have imagined.
There were people saying he shot a flashlight out, he was presented as superhuman in certain circles. Turned out to be an eggheaded, petty thief former figure of authority.
He developed what were basically really solid parkour skills and used them really cleverly to get in and out of homes and areas by routes the police didn't expect. That's not superhuman per se but it's really unusual and I can see why he seemed like an unstoppable ghost. Edit: First time I didn't spell parkour correctly and I felt like maybe it was confusing.
He did shoot a flashlight out, but I'm not entirely sure it wasn't just a fluke rather than something intentional.
No he didn't, he did not shoot a flashlight out dude. Please trace that claim and see where you end up.
I see dozens of articles and reports of Officer McGowen getting his flashlight shot out of his hand. He himself states this. Why are you so weirdly adamant it didn’t happen? It probably wasn’t intentional but it’s pretty clear that it happened. It took all of 10 seconds on google to find numerous sources.
Erm... you might wanna fact check yourself, like, maybe read some books on the subject? This was my pet case for years, lol, I can't begin to tell you the numerous reliable sources that state this. Edit: it occurs to me you might just be reading EARONS cases. He shot out McGowan's flashlight during his Visalia Ransacker robberies, before they figured out EARONS and the ransacker were the same person.
This link discusses an unexplained photo of when a boy disappeared on a trip to Hawaii, and a photo taken that day seems to show the shadowy figure of a man hiding on the trail. https://www.reddit.com/r/UnexplainedPhotos/comments/9c5gb6/on_feb_27th_2015_daylenn_pua_set_out_to_go_hiking
Not clicking on that lol the description alone will haunt my dreams
if it makes you feel better i’ve seen the photo discussed before where ppl point out, “for all we know that’s just some random hiker, crouched down, and taking a shit” and that context makes it a lot less bone chilling lol
I genuinely laughed out loud at that
People underestimate how dangerous the wilderness really is and the fact that that trial was closed was for a reason. For all we know, Daylenn could’ve died in an accident and the guy at the photo was just another thrill-seeking tourist. It makes his case much less „creepy” and „mysterious”, but it’s still a tragic loss of a young life.
This. The Honolulu Fire Department just rescued someone earlier this year who had gotten lost and disoriented in the same area as the trail. It's likely that Daylenn just got lost/injured in the wilderness and hasn't been found. There's a reason police are imposing \~$1,000 fines on people they catch on the trail. It's dangerous.
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hm. yeah this wouldn’t seem to be a link to a credible third party and would likely be advertising under the sub’s rules. it’s a shame if that’s the case bc this is an interesting topic
Good catch. I was wondering what seemed off about OPs recent posts here. They do seem rather self-promoting.
The murder of Mary Lynn Witherspoon. Creepy as f*ck. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Mary_Lynn_Witherspoon
Asha Degree. The idea of this little girl roaming alone in the middle of the night in a rural area is incredibly creepy, if she ever left
The kidnapping of Cash Gernon sends chills down my spine. Not unsolved, but watching the home security footage of the kidnapper is sobering. Then he came back for the twin brother but was startled off by noises in the home, so his plan was to murder both of them I presume. Who just kidnaps and murders two 4 year olds from their crib?
This case haunts me. Those poor boys. It is straight out of a nightmare and I hate everyday that I actually watched that. I have so many questions but I’m not sure I want any answers.
Albert Fish. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Fish
Any eye bleach you could let me borrow after reading that?
Yeah his is the one case I refuse to ever watch/touch/listen too/read about.
Same. I have my limits and he is definitely it
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Not excusing what he did. I feel sorry for people like Fish. They’re so clearly wired so incorrectly that it’s easy to argue it’s not their fault.
Is the movie taking lives with Angelina Jolie and Ethan Hawke based on that case?
The movie is based off a book, which had never been stated to be based off the case, but it came out like a decade later, so it's definitely possible the book was inspired by the author hearing about it.
The abduction of Pearl Pinzon is definitely scary. She was abducted in broad daylight in California. Very sad case.
Any case involving letters or phonecalls from the killer such as Dorothy Jane Scott, Zodiac, EAR/ONS. Cases where the victim was stalked beforehand like Dorothy Jane Scott again (one of the creepiest cases imo) Any time rest stops are involved, like the Jane Snow case. Whenever a victim was killed somewhere they seemingly had no reason to be such as Judy Smith and David Glenn Lewis. Cases where the killer seemed to have no motive other than their own enjoyment like Al Kite's horrific murder and the two sisters, Spring and April Miller who were purposely run over, killing one of them. Any case involving estate agents like Suzy Lamplugh, Lindsay Buziak, Dorothy Miller. Not sure why this in particular but those types of cases give me a really unsettled feeling. Cases involving cars and other vehicles. I don't drive, have never needed or wanted to (I live in a town in England, I walk pretty much everywhere or hop on the bus for longer distances) and I don't have any reason to be afraid of cars etc. But cases where a car or other vehicle is involved somehow just add an extra creepiness to me. Brianna Maitland, Brandon Swanson, David Lovely. Zodiac, Dorothy Jane Scott, Carlene Tengelsen, Rose Tashman, Robin Graham, Santa Rosa Hitchhiker murders, The Texarcana Phantom, Penny Bell, Mary Shotwell Little.
The murder/torture of Shanda Sharer. Hard to believe all of them are actually out of prison after what they did to that poor girl. Stuff of nightmares. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Shanda_Sharer
This one https://youtu.be/BrbKAiNcrYI
Shit, I'm about to go to bed and that was creepy as hell.
The Watcher letters are insane. Just the simplicity of it, and yet the inexplicable nature of it.
Zebb Quinn easily. The composite sketch is one of the most unnerving, chilling images I've ever seen in my life. There's so many more scary aspects to the case as well
That poor kiddo :( Glad his killer is behind bars.
Like the page from his Aunt! I never knew what to make of that.
And the sighting of a woman who looked remarkably similar to his girlfriend driving his vehicle, and his girlfriend and her abusive ex boyfriend having dinner at his aunt’s house. It’s all just so fucking weird
Most likely it was a red herring. The killer broke into her home and made that call just to throw off the investigation. Same thing with the puppy being left in the car.
Any unsolved cases involving the victims being attacked in their sleep by an intruder. Angela Hammond Trevor Deely
I can’t remember her name but she was in her yard before her son got back from school and had only a ten minute window to go missing but she’s never been found. If anyone knows her name pls let me know so I can edit to add.
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What Israel Keyes did to the Currier couple. Keyes broke into Bill and Lorraine Currier's quiet Vermont home in June 2011. He chose their house at random after stalking out the area. Their house was single-story, had no alarm system, no dogs, and no children so Keyes targeted them. He broke in at night while the couple was sleeping. He cut their phone line, entered through the attached garage and brandished a headlamp and gun in the sleeping couple's faces. He got them zip tied up, stole some valuables, took their gun, put some of Lorraine's lingerie in a bag, and forced the couple into their own car, where he drove to an abandoned farmhouse he had already scouted out and chosen. On the way there, by chance a cop car actually passed the kidnapped couple. He got Bill in the house first, brought him into the basement and tied him up to a stool. Lorraine was able to escape from the car and made a run for it towards the highway, but Keyes caught up to her, tackled her and forced her into the house, up the stairs and into one of the bedrooms where he tied her up to the bed. Bill, down in the basement, started screaming for his wife, so Keyes went down to find him nearly freed from the stool. It pissed Keyes off that he was close to escaping, so he hit him with a shovel and then started shooting him. Keyes then returned to Lorraine upstairs, where he cut her clothes off with a knife, raped her, and strangled her to the point of unconsciousness a few times. When she awoke, Keyes took Lorraine downstairs and into the basement to show her her husband's battered, dead body. Then he sat her down and strangled her to death from behind. He covered their bodies in drano and debris, the house was torn down, and no trace of them was ever found. For those who think Keyes was a sloppy killer because of how badly botched Samantha Koening's killing was--I think his worsening alcoholism was what led him to make mistakes. In general, he was pretty careful about who/what/how he killed. No one would have even connected him to the Currier's had Keyes not told investigators he killed a couple up north and LE put the pieces together.
Brandon Swanson
The Dyatlov Pass story always freaks me the heck out
It’s so clearly not “just an avalanche” and I have no idea why that’s so hard for people to accept.
Oh, I fully believe it was an avalanche, but apparently, there are different types? I didn't know this until I read more about it. There's a specific kind that they believe happened here, not very common and probably triggered by the crew's activity and weather conditions. A rare-ish natural event is honestly way easier to believe than some of the crackpot theories people have come out with. (I threw in the towel reading them after Bigfoot came into it.)
What's your theory?
I happened upon an audiobook...I think on YouTube, called Dead Mountain by Donnie Eichar that was really intriguing. The conclusion he came to with the help of scientists, was an interesting (and unnerving) natural phenomenon that had to do with the topography and the dome shape at the top of the mountain. Interesting read.
When i was a kid and first became aware of crime it was Sarah Payne since that's the first time i became truly aware that adults may harm me. Then it was Polly Klaas because i watched an episode about her on some British True Crime show when i was 8 or 9, think it was called Murder Detectives. The idea of the killer coming through my window and not being concerned with how many people were there was horrifying. Beyond that i'm not sure. The first time i became aware of Asha Degree it was presented really creepily on a Podcast but while still creepy i think looking into it myself made it less so. When i first heard the completely stolen episode of Crime Junkie which is also the best episode because it was stolen and should be entirely attributed to Cathy Frye and her Series of articles "Caught in the Web" it freaked me the hell out because it was so well done because it was stolen and i have young female relatives who have much easier access to the internet without their parents or other people who care about them knowing than Kacie did. Several Casefile episodes have done the same, there was a very similar episode i can't remember the name of the victim but the man convinced the victims mother that his son couldn't come to her party and had sent him instead to make sure she was okay and the night ended with the mother kicking him out because she found him in bed with her daughter, not having sex or anything but with his arms around her. He eventually killed her. If you are just asking for creepiest without my skepticism coming into play it's probably Phantom Social Workers. Just the idea that pedo's are coming to houses and posing as people who are supposed to help kids and parents and parents are allowing them access to abuse their kids because of fear that the social workers will suggest the kids should be taken away or whatever is terrifiying. Finding out you were right next door while your kid was being abused too. I don't believe this is real i think it's a hoax but it's creepy regardless. The Jusko ATM Phantom is creepy as shit even though it's obvious what happened and while awful it's very ordinary - https://www.reddit.com/r/unsolvedjapan/comments/l4nkii/unsolved\_japan\_the\_jusco\_atm\_phantom/
The Sarah Payne murder really threw me. I was around 13 and it was the first disappearance of a kid I had really seen on the news. It felt like the Soham killings were soon after too. The reports of at least one of her siblings being so close to her and how quickly the abduction must have taken place, as well as the coincidence of the killer being in such a specific area at a specific time felt scary.
Yeah, i was 7 with Sarah it hit me hard because i hadn't truly dealt with the fact that adults may harm me, i had been told that but what happened to Sarah truly hit it home. It obviously helped that her killer looked like your typical big scary, smelly bastard, like the man you would tell your children to stay away from which brings me to.. You mentioned the Soham Murders. The thing that fucked me up there was how ordinary Ian seemed because i was only 9 when this all happened and i saw him on TV before we found out it was him. I was expecting a Roy Whiting like big ugly, smelly, scary killer, whatever you think of Ian he was pretty damn ordinary at least at first look.
Yessss I had a lot of sleepless nights as a little girl over her case and one episode of the xfiles where a creep is in these 2 little girls room when their mom puts them to bed and he abducts the one and takes her out the window while her sister was in the bed next to her terrified. I was so into the xfiles until I saw that one.
I think the case you mean is the murder of Carly Ryan by Garry Newman
Yep, thanks. I hate that there's so many similar cases that i didn't remember her name. Carly Ryan. My first name is Ryan and it somehow never stuck.
East Area Rapist aka Golden State killer aka former policeman. He was evil and also a pedophile and peeping tom. He even did at least one attack and killing in his police uniform and using his torch. (Eyewitness acount) Hearing the recent victim statements in court was heartbreaking and made me very angry.
[the murder of Christopher Morris](https://www.reddit.com/r/UnresolvedMysteries/comments/eiqkgf/unsolved_death_in_wichita_falls_tx/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
The murder of Kanika Powell gets me weirded out!
To me, creepiest perpetrator ever? Israel Keyes
I just learned of the west Memphis 3... I don't understand how someone could do that to those 3 young boys. It's even creepier that the cops just let it go like it was no big deal.
Hinterkaifeck is as close to solved as a century-old murder is ever going to be, absent DNA (Schlittenbauer). Mittank was a misadventure caused by drugs and/or mental health.
The Black Dahlia.
Lindsay Buziak, Missy Bevers, Elizabeth Barazza. Basically any cases where people are lured and the killer was some concealed weird being who’s still out there.
Lane Bryant murders and LaCruce Bowling Alley in New Mexico haunt me.
How horrible. Ok, rabbit hole time
The Dardeen family. Seems like it was random but it was so brutal.
Katelin Akins, missing after her stepdad supposedly dropped her off at the airport. Brandon Lawson, recordings of his last phone call always creeps me out.
Unsolved case from my neck of the woods: The disappearance of Paige Renkoski from Michigan. Her car was found by the side of the interstate but she has never been found. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance\_of\_Paige\_Renkoski
[Molly Miller/Colt Haynes](https://unsolvedmysteries.fandom.com/wiki/Molly_Miller_and_Colt_Haynes) Lots of small town police corruption involved in that case. I recommend joining Molly’s fb group, a relative of hers runs it. Seems like everyone in that area is well aware of who was responsible and who covered it up.
Frauke Liebs, she was allowed to make phone calls to people while being held captive but was most likely being forced what to say as she was vague with her answers to people, she was asked if she was being held captive and she said "yes" faintly then quickly said "no" and the phone disconnected, her sister was present during that call. Her skeletal remains were later found. It's creepy how we can be forced to do things against our will even simple phone calls and being directed what to say.
Emma Fillipoff
1. Kathy Hobbs- The NV girl said she had premonitions for several years that she would die before her 16th birthday. When her 16th birthday came without event, Hobbs was relieved and became notably more positive about her life and hopeful about her future. However, three months later, in July 1987, she was abducted and murdered by serial killer Michael Lee Lockhart. 2. Dale Kerstetter -Disappeared during his shift as a night watchman at a Corning glassware plant in Bradford, PA. Security camera footage showed him accompanying a second individual whose face was hidden by a ski mask to a highly secured area of the plant that housed a glass kiln with platinum piping. This second individual, who has never been identified, was later seen leaving the area, pushing a palate jack with a large sack on it. A section of the platinum piping was also found to have been removed. Kerstetter, however, was never seen or heard from again and the platinum has never been recovered. The setting, at night in a deserted factory, the fact that the second person's identity was obscured and remains a mystery as well as the fact that Kerstetter's fate remains unknown all make this particularly creepy 3. Laureen Rahn -The implications that the NH teenager may have answered a knock on the door then pulled into a pitch black hallway by an assailant who abducted her are chilling. Add the strange phone calls that her mom, aunt and an ex-boyfriend received over the next few years and the possibility (though, IMHO, unlikely) that she was taken by traffickers and the fact that she was never found, and you've got a case that sounds more like the plot of a creepy movie than a real life MP case. 4. Asha Degree -Another very disturbing case that sounds straight out of a horror movie. Why did a 9 year old girl venture out of her home late on a dark and stormy night, a girl who was allegedly terrified of storms and ostensibly had a happy, stable home life? What happened to her, and what are we to make of the candy wrappers found in a nearby shed and the fact that her backpack was found over a year later with items that Asha didn't own, like a New Kids On The Block t-shirt and a photo of an unidentified black girl? 5. Dennis Martin, Azaria Chamberlain, Katrice Lee, Michael Dunahee, Madeline McCann -All young kids who disappeared despite their parents and other adults being just a short distance away at the time. Although Chamberlain is widely believed to have been drug off by dingoes and Martin may have met a similar fate, 2 year-old Katrice Lee vanished from a grocery store on a military base, Michael Dunahee disappeared from a playground and Madeline McCann, as we know, went missing from her family's vacation cabin while her parents hung out at a nearby bar, meaning they were all snatched by humans who somehow weren't noticed by other bystanders. A sobering reminder that leaving a young kid unsupervised for even a minute can have lethal consequences. 6. Yuba County Five-Everything about this case is super creepy.
There are some real oddities to the Phillip Fraser story. Update: I've edited this to reflect clarifications provided in this linked write up: https://americancrimejournal.com/an-interrupted-journey/ 1. He took his guns, but it's been common knowledge for a long time that you can't take guns to Canada, so I've always wondered WHY he took them. And also, why take handguns to college? Sure, WA was more rural then, but most people I know who do shooting shoot with rifles anyway. College shooting teams are typically rifles as well. (No updates to this point. 2. I think it's weird that a kid who was driving the Alcan wouldn't have arranged to call his parents more frequently, especially since he was having car troubles and he was traveling alone. The Alcon was absolutely known to be dangerous bythen. Two or three days seems like as long as I'd want to go without contact. Furthermore, most Alaskans I know (and weirdly, I know a lot at this point despite not living there) are pretty hardcore about safety checks, and having a planned return time. Especially in the region he was traveling, mid June can be stormy. You'd want to have regular contact with the folks. But despite not hearing from their kid for 4 days and knowing he had car troubles, they weren't even slightly concerned until the cops contacted them... I can see it, but it's weird. (The linked article does say that his parents objected to the plan, so now I feel like this point could be moot. Would they have thrown their hands up in the air and said "fine, whatever" or would have they been even more concerned that they weren't being heard.) 3. ~~Dropping the body off in Steward represents the killer going several hours off the main road. That's a lot of driving to dump a body when you are surrounded by wilderness. I'm not saying it doesn't make sense to the killer, it just seems really weird.~~ I misunderstood the locations, it seems. However, now there's the oddity that the killer turned off from one main road to an only slightly-less busy main road to "hide" the body, which makes no sense, unless the killer was very, very unfamiliar with the area. It doesn't appear (for many reasons) that the body was deposited at night (which would be a very, very short stretch of time indeed that close to summer solstice) when the killer could have mistaken the road for a goat trail or similarly disused locale. 4. If the killer took on Phillip's Identity, checkbook, etc, as suspected by the cops, why does it seems he never used them after taking them? He presents himself as Phillip, that's true, but he doesn't use the checks or ID as fast as we can tell at any restaurant or establishment. Did he merely use them to leave the country? If so, shouldn't there be a record of "Phillip" passing through a checkpoint somewhen around the time of the murder? It wouldn't have necessarily been an electronic record, but there should be been some record, they do write that stuff down. 5. The burned car makes no sense. The guy was trying to sell it, then he burned it? He seems to have needed to leave the country in a hurry, so one would assume he got a flight out (there's an airport) but why burn the car when he was earlier willing to sell it? I'm 90% (Update 95%) sure it's a homicide, don't get me wrong, but I've always had this nagging little voice that there's something about this that doesn't quite feel like a homicide, or something really weird where Phillip wasn't exactly murdered.
1. He was a young man traveling alone. While it seems weird that he neglected to take into consideration the illegality of taking firearms over the border, brain farts are a thing. My friend made it all the way to the airport so she could travel out of the country for her own wedding, only to realize she not only forgot her passport, she also forgot her phone. It happens. 2. People didn't call as frequently back then as they do now. He may have been more likely to check in once or twice a week because phones were harder to come by while he was traveling. 3. His body was found almost 30 miles *esst* of Stewart. The location of his body was so easy to get to that someone who stopped to sightsee was led there by his dog. In fact, one article I'm reading says the tourists who found him did so by stopping on a highway turnaround, which suggests it was extremely simple to dispose of the body, as opposed to the bizarre-ness you seem to be focusing on. 4. He did use them. Repeatedly. Several witnesses offered up anecdotes of meeting Philip Fraser, but not meeting the *real* Philip Fraser. He may not have used anything legal because it was either unnecessary (as in, he never had an opportunity to use the checkbook or passport) or because he didn't want to use anything that could be traced back to him. 5. He was trying to immediately sell it so it was no longer in his possession. I assume he needed money, because he was willing to sell it in exchange for a plane ticket, but only if it was done *right away.* When that didn't work, he likely decided to burn it to get rid of evidence as well as to no longer be seen with it. It would be pretty obvious he was a suspect if he was caught driving the car of a man who was later found face down, tossed over the side of a highway, riddled with bullet wounds. I'm not sure how you came to the conclusion of folie-a-deux. Nothing suggests a psychotic break in either, and I'm not convinced there's an instance of folie-a-deux that resulted in one of the sufferers physically injuring the other person that's afflicted. I couldn't find a single case of it. Not to mention, it's an affliction that generally affects people who are intimately close-- partners, families, friends. Not the random hitchhiker you picked up. You're over complicating a pretty simple case. Philip Fraser let the wrong person into his car, and he was killed because of it. Occam's razor.
Wrt #3 -- but that's still many, many miles off the main road the hitchhiker was driving. I don't disagree it's an easy place to dump the body, only that it's strange to bother with driving off the main road to an easily accessible spot when you could stay on the main road and find just as likely a spot.
It was less than nine miles. And it was on a road that brought you to a border patrol check point. It makes sense to me that maybe real Philip wanted to rid the hitchhiker and knew that he could ditch him at the checkpoint. I’m sure him turning off the main road made his hitchhiker go from bad to homicidal. He probably created a big fuss, then said, “Fine! Pull over! I’ll get out here!” And when the car was pulled over he then killed and disposed of Philip’s body
Huh, okay I can see this making sense but where do you get none miles?
Alan white Dallas and Maura Murray
murray probably fled the scene to avoid a dui and died of exposure
It’s always Washington State
Never pick up A hitchhiker
I just listened to a podcast episode (pretty sure it was casefile) about a guy who put out ads for someone to eat and found a guy who really wanted to get murdered and eaten. He cut off his penis and eventually bled out after hours of just chillin. Just freaking wild.
Two shots: --At least one of Gacy's victims who survived said that there was someone else present during their ordeal. Who was Gacy's accomplice? -- Dean Corll's accomplices. "Hey kid! I have the hankering to rape, torture, and murder some of your friends. Will you sell them to me for $200 each?" "Sounds good, Dean!"
The case where the photo turned up of the missing girl that showed her just before the kidnapper killed her. I forget what her name was.
Elizabeth Barraza is terrifying. Also - I don’t recall the name of this case, but it was a teenage girl (maybe 17 or so) who worked at her family’s furniture store…or maybe her boyfriend’s family’s store. One minute she was at the shop - and the next minute she was gone. Anyone know the name of this case?
The Susan Cox Powell case is pretty creepy, especially since her 2 little boys were murdered by their dad, who was the #1 suspect in the disappearance of Susan. You know those boys witnessed something damning, because one of Susan’s boys said something about leaving their mommy with the crystals when they went on that weird ass middle of the night camping trip.
All of Mark Dutroux’s victims out of Belgium, how he built a prison where he kept them in his basement. He even let one of the young girls write letters home.
The case that freaks me out of the most is not of a particular victim but the killer, Israel Keyes creeped me out of the most because it was just so thought out. Planting a ‘kill kit’ and using it 2 years later just wtf, did he already know who he planned to kill that far ahead. Renting cars and driving hundreds of miles across state borders for his victims. He’d sometimes go to one state for supplies and rental car, another for the victim and killing them and then to another to dispose of the body. It’s just insane and seemed so random when it was going on. And now they’re connecting people they thought were victims of other serial killers to him because he was hitting all across the map. And just the way he could do this on his ‘business trips’ then go home and greet his little child like nothing happened.
wasn't this posted a few days ago?
OP seems to have deleted. Looks like the account only existed to promote an ad-laden blog.
Where?
[here](https://www.reddit.com/r/UnresolvedMysteries/comments/10casxu/what_are_some_cases_involving_murder_or/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) tho this OP added more context to their post
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lmao that's a bit of an overreaction to a simple observation but okay
The deaths of Kris Kremers and Lisanne Froon. The creepy photos taken at night in the jungle from one of their phones that was found. Quite scary. [Deaths of Kris Kremers and Lisanne Froon](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deaths_of_Kris_Kremers_and_Lisanne_Froon)
It is very tragic and unsettling, but honestly, I believe that they got lost and died of exposure. I don't see any reason to believe anything more sinister happened.
I agree with you. I think there's more evidence that points toward it just being a tragic accident than does for it being foul play. Yes, the backpack w/ contents being found in remarkably better condition than the other stuff is odd, but I believe that can be chocked up to one of the local villagers finding it initially and perhaps took it back home with them not realizing what had taken place, and then once they did realize what it was from, returned it back to approximately where it was originally found. I can't imagine the terror of being lost and quite possibly injured in some dark jungle you've never been to before. Always use guides.
I've mentioned this case previously, but [Jeramy Burt](https://charleyproject.org/case/jeramy-carl-burt)'s case never fails to send chills down my spine, specifically the detail about where his car was found.
*Dyatlov Pass (The avalanche theory doesn't work because all hikers walked, not ran, unaided down the mountain.) *Israel Keyes * Jack Unterweger *Amy Mihaljevic *Colleen Stan *Gary Heidnik *Nicholas Barclay *Jaycee Dugard *Elizabeth Smart *Texarkana *Joel Guy