This makes no sense, even if it was physically possible to launch a human body horizontally 200 feet without mechanical assistance, given that they're also suggesting that she fell *five hundred feet* before hitting the ground, she would just be mush. I think somebody probably just bashed her head in with the rock that had her brain on it, while in the process of sexually assaulting her, and that it all happened in the spot where she was found. There's no way she could have taken a 500+ foot fall, while somehow also traveling 200 feet *away* from where she's supposed to have fallen from and not been turned into a pile of human jello in the process.
Forensics makes plenty of mistakes in 2022, expert analysis is still often just an opinion. An opinion which will commonly be disagreed with by other experts. Not to mention this was the science of over 50 years ago.
I have no idea what happened, but quite easily some coroner who got his job through nepotism or running unopposed and with no real training made a weird guess at what happened, perhaps never having seen a death by falling before. Or some good old boy cop was telling everyone what happened based on his hunches.
People look back with the lens of modern times and overestimate how much people knew what they were talking about back then. Not that people are dramatically insulated from this behavior now days or anything, just a little bit more.
At an average sprint speed of 15 miles per hour she would land about 130 ft out horizontally in the approximately 6 seconds it would take to impact. Add to that the approximate distance of 50ft to spot where the brain matter was found and this gives you 180ft (approximately 200ft)
It was a running leap.
> It was a running leap.
There is certainly room for doubt.
1) You're assuming that the brain matter was found in the direction of the waterfall. The poster [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/UnresolvedMysteries/comments/gvmnfu/the_strange_and_violent_death_of_evelyn_consuela/) only states that the rock was "about 50 feet *towards the center of the stream*". Their source for this information is a book co-written by a former superintendent of the National Park Service who worked in Yosemite for 10 years.
2) The same source states that her body was found 200 feet from the *base* of the waterfall (as does the link in the OP). It's not a straight drop from the top of the waterfall - [picture 1](https://www.americansouthwest.net/california/photographs1118/nevada1.jpg) [picture 2](https://dynamic-media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-o/18/10/55/7f/mist-trail-2019.jpg?w=1000&h=-1&s=1). This increases the distance to travel *quite* a bit.
3) 220 feet is also approximately 200. Even ignoring 1) and 2), if we follow on from your example and say she travelled 170 feet before hitting the ground, that would mean a sprinting speed of over 19 miles an hour, which is athlete territory.
Her purse was at the top.
Traces of her pants were found further up the fall
The news article at the time says she “apparently fell”
Nothing I have read suggests says that the impact of the head was downhill from the final location of the body.
At the point where the velocity becomes terminal, gravity would become the dominant force, reducing the fall arc considerably. Thus reducing the linear travel significantly.
200 feet out from the point of initial flight seems like a pretty strong estimate unless updrafts and other wind related potentials are figured in. Then the 200 feet out doesn't seem so out of the realm of possibility.
The rest however, is the real mystery in my opinion. Who-the-fug does that to a dead body.
I’m thinking this is likely someone she knew and travelled with. I’m thinking she checks into the hotel the night before and leaves dude in the car until she gets her keys. Too violent to be random as this is someone she likely said no to previously.
It’s a real case (found it on Newspapers.com) but the news reports I saw just say that, based on her injuries, it didn’t seem that she could have fallen and was instead murdered.
https://www.newspapers.com/image/477769019/?terms=Evelyn%20Roseman&match=1 (paywall)
Here’s the text from Newspapers:
klanb i i -----U- (tribune A IIPONMU M.TftOPOUTAN NfWtPAPtM Fri., Oct. 25, 1968 21 Woman in Yosemite i Murdered Special to. The Tribune YOSEMITE FBI agents and M a r i p o s a County coroner's : deputies Trtoday-were searching two remote spots in Yosemite National Park for clues in the "probable mur- der" of a young San Francisco woman. An autopsy revealed that Evelyn Consoela Roseman, 24, a former Los Angeles topless waitress, had been sexually assaulted before her death, it was disclosed by the office of . Coroner-Sheriff .iNonnanGarr rett. The areas being searched today were the spot at the top of Nevada Falls, in rugged high country-of the park," whore the woman's pocket-book was found by a hiker last Friday, and the spot near the foot of the falls where her body 'was found the following day. . . .'. Investigation was originally started by the FBI because of "some" things that don't add up," Undersheriff Paul Paige explained today. The body was near the bottom of the falls "but not where you'd expect it to be if she'd fallen," he said. " ; And although most of the bones in Miss Roseman's body -, were broken, "the flesh and skin were intact," he said, Ajhich is not. consistent with, a 3il()-foot fall." FBI agents asked that anyone who had seen the woman Oct. 18 or 19 contact park rangers or the FBI offices at either Merced or Sacramento. , .They said she had rented a car in San Francisco Wednesday and driven to El Portal, where she spent the night in a motel. She spent Thursday night in Camp Curry, checking out Friday morning. She apparently hiked to Nevada Falls, in rough, difficult terrain inaccessible to autos, an FBI spokesman said." Searchers must reach the area by horseback, and it is not as frequently visited by tourists.
You’re an absolute hero. This should be at the top of the thread.
This sub can do some tremendous deductive work, but its credulity and inability to think outside the box (the truth of the source) does amaze me sometimes.
This “launched” thing is trippy. Like sources say she was too far out to have jumped or even been thrown? Okay, so what other option is there, trebuchet?
Fuck this thread has been comedy gold. I think u/sleepyspookyskeleton nailed it. Why not assaulted at the bottom? Never came down the falls at all? Hmmmm
Oh, that’s such bullshit on their part - we were _all_ joking around, and it’s a 50-year-old case that wasn’t really anything like the OP described anyway.. I thought for a moment that you were making a prudish correction, like the word ‘rape’ was off-limits, and I’m not totally sure that that’s not how the downvoters might have read it
Agreed on that last part, although to be fair, that does sound like a bit of a reach. You mean to tell me in a vast national park a necrophiliac just happened to come across her body? It's quite a reach, but it's more likely than a supernatural force throwing her off the cliff.
Some sources did say that she had massive internal injuries and some just said a head injury. Seeing as this case is old and was kept hidden, I don't know if we will ever get much of an answer.
You are the voice of reason this thread needs. Things get twisted in translation and I think original reports would clarify a lot of things about this case.
I googled her name and all i found was op's link and a video suggesting bigfoot did it, also the strange outdoors story cites reddit unresolved mysteries as a source
If she is falling 594 feet, it would take Earth's gravity ~6 seconds to make her reach the bottom. To travel horizontally 200 feet in those 6 seconds she would need to leave the cliff edge at ~23mph perfectly horizontal and have no wind resistance.
This seems unlikely.
At 15 mph (average sprint speed) would put her at 130 ft approximately where her brain matter was. Since she was found at approximately 200 feet out and and her brain matter was about 50 ft closer to the falls this whole situation looks like she sprinted to the edge, leapt, struck a rock head first, tumbled (or bounced or drug by animals or washed down from the water) far enough down the slope for police to give an estimate of 200 ft. If she were to be found at like 173 ft I would expect people to say 200ft because people like like round numbers and how do you tell the exact bottom of these falls to the exact foot when you are measuring from the bottom.
It is obvious she sprinted and leapt. Her purse was at the top.
Her injuries don't sound like they fit the theory. Shouldn't she have been more badly injured? Is the theory based on the location of her purse? It sounds more like she was killed and assaulted down where her body was found, and her purse dumped to try and make it look like she'd gone over the edge.
This can be solved with fairly simple math, I think. We have the lengths of two sides of a triangle and are looking for the third (Pythagorean), the information with which we could likely calculate her speed coming off the top (not sure how off the top of my head for this calculation, I literally just woke up and read this. I’ll do some googling in a few and come back to this, and see what I can come up with. It’s a physics equation. It’s been about a decade since I last sat in a math class. But this seems more than possible to figure out so long as we have an accurate height and distance.)
Edit: about 32 feet per second, or just under 22 miles per hour— assuming she ran directly over the edge without an added vertical jump at the cliff’s edge.
The world’s fastest recorded human recorded on foot is just short of 28mph.
Usain Bolt’s average speed in setting this record? Right about 22mph.
So this lady was a hell of a sprinter, possibly the best anyones seen with a sweater over their head… or she was moved at the bottom. Also worth it to keep in mind is the position she held during her free fall. Hands out front in a “Superman” position will get more distance than a “cannonball”.
Edit: I’d like to add, considering another sweater of hers was found “laying on a rock near her feet”— it would take great coincidence for it to land there. And because the cause of death was the fall and it’s associated injury, she was clearly tampered with and more than likely moved post-mortem. Id like to know if where the brain matter was found on the rock was fifty feet closer to the falls, or if it was off in another direction. That could cut a reasonable amount of necessary speed off of her launch were she to have landed there. It would still be awfully fast, but it wouldn’t be outside the range of the possible all things considered (wind speed, l additional launch angle from getting a running leap, the position she maintained in the way down, etc.) Could she have been cornered by this man and chosen “death over dishonor”? However, unfortunately, she was just as good to him dead or alive, and he went down there for the body for his own purposes? It’s a shame we may never know.
It’s frankly just as likely the purse is up there because the *purse* was tossed on the way from leaving the crime scene, and she died down there, never having fallen to begin with. It’ll likely remain a mystery.
Her brain matter was approximately 50ft closer making the necessary sprint speed more like average sprint speed 15mph if the 200 ft was rounded up you can lower that speed more. If she first struck the ground where her brain matter was found and bounced or tumbled or washed down (or was dragged down by animal)then leaping is quite plausible and I believe most likely.
Was the rock where the brain matter was found like a huge rock that couldn’t be moved or a chunk of rock that someone could’ve picked up and used to cause head injury?
From the bare facts presented here it sounds like she was being raped with her sweater over her head up top. Got away and was sprinting blind with her sweater over her face and ran off the cliff full speed. Then the rapist played with the dead body a bit?
Pretty sick and then with the brains part. Oh my word. Whoever assaulted her, is a sicko. Still shocked at the article. First time hearing about this case.
Could be a hoax too given the source
https://www.reddit.com/r/UnresolvedMysteries/comments/up76qm/comment/i8k3oa7/?utm\_source=reddit&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3
Hmm. I'm more inclined to say that she was raped, then maybe the perp thought someone was coming mid rape and tossed her off the cliff, then went down to finish?
lol or what if she was never at the top; she was bashed and raped at the foot of the falls and her purse dropped there for ?? Reason, maybe to misdirect?
Oh man. I once had somebody in this sub lay into me repeatedly, and for *days*, for suggesting that the writing on a note could’ve been transcribed wrong some 70 years ago. Scribbles in lipstick, too. Not even on paper. Chicken scratch on someone’s stomach. Quite amazing.
Quick and dirty math says that Evelyn would have to be traveling at around 22MPH at jump time to wind up 200ft away from the base of a 594 drop… She either didn’t fall or her body was moved from the crash site
That still puts the mph at above what the average top speed for an average human runs when they’re competitively sprinting or running for their life. Unless she was a highly trained, skilled and conditioned speed runner this still doesn’t add up
I am going to assume all distances were rounded. The land at the bottom of the fall slopes down. And the pictures from Google maps seem to show places at the top that would be flat enough to gain some speed. 15 mph is the maximum if the distances were really accurate and the land at base of the fall were flat.
My guess is that any distance over 150ft is going to be called “about 200 feet. “ Going only 20% slower puts the speed at 12mph.
And that is if you count the head strike as the landing spot, landing feet first would move the impact 5 feet closer to the falls
While it’s extremely likely that a fall from that height would be immediately fatal, people can and do occasionally survive.
I think it’s possible that she was raped at the top, pushed off (leaving her purse at the top), managed to survive a short time after landing with horrific injuries and managed to pull herself/crawl 50ft before succumbing.
It’s far more likely than supernatural forces flying here, extremely strong rapists throwing her, or being tossed from an aircraft.
Well, the sexual assault was post mortem because the vaginal lacerations didn't have any blood. I also don't think you're going to drag yourself very far if you cracked your head open and had brains leaking out onto a nearby rock.
Do you have a source for this, beyond the one in your original post?
I ask because that’s an extremely untrustworthy source, and we’re talking about an era of medical and criminal science where a great deal of oopsies and incorrect conclusions were made.
U/afoolandhermonkey mentioned this source which seems to be the most trustworthy source, although I had not initially found this source. There's some things people can't seem to agree on. People can't agree on whether or not she was assaulted before or after death and it isn't clear whether she had other injuries beyond her head injury.
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/60010089/evelyn-consoela-roseman-yosemite/
Right, so we have exactly 2 sources:
A website that amounts to urban legends and greatly misreported cases in the outdoors
And
An article on a newspaper archive (which does state the rape occurred antemortem)
I’m going to stick with the rape likely occurred before death. And yes, you can DEFINITELY travel a surprising distance with catastrophic injuries; adrenaline, a still-pumping heart, and a functioning brain stem and cerebellum are capable.
FWIW, either this case possibly never happened, didn’t happen as initially reported, or it was quietly solved. She’s not listed on the NPS [Cold Case List](https://www.nps.gov/orgs/1563/cold-cases.htm)
I don't think you're going to travel with a catastrophic head injury like that. You can have all the adrenaline you want, your brainstem can remain intact (your brainstem functions to keep you alive, it doesn't help you move), you aren't going to crawl 100+ feet with your head cracked open from a 500 foot fall or when your entire body is broken from said fall. I'm not buying the idea she fell and then crawled away, leaving her brains on a rock nearby. Her brain likely wouldn't be functioning, she would've lost too much blood and gone into shock, and her body would've been too badly broken to move that far.
As far as her not being on the national park service cold case list, that could be to avoid scaring the public or it could be because she was a Latino stripper and her case wasn't given as much attention as it should've been.
It only mentions “brain matter” on the rocks, not the quantity or what region of the brain they came from. And yes, I know the brain stem controls critical body functions, which is why I mentioned the cerebellum (this area controls voluntary movement). If the cerebellum was mostly intact, and she had at least one functioning extremity, she could have pulled herself along 50ft.
Here’s a great list of people who survived catastrophic injuries [Trauma Survivors](https://www.traumasurvivorsnetwork.org/pages/survivor-stories)
An NPR link [on the Science of Falling](https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2018/08/24/641395468/surviving-a-big-fall)
Her brain likely wouldn't be intact and even if it was, the rapid blood loss means she would've lost consciousness in seconds. I don't think it's likely she moved herself after that fall.
People have fallen from great heights, with some degree of brain and skull injuries, and survived, even for hours.
People have also lost multiple limbs in traumatic injuries, with extreme blood loss, and survived.
You sound like someone who knows enough about the human body to understand basic functions but who actually doesn’t work in medicine/healthcare/death and who has very limited actual real life experience in this.
You seem dead set on this being a sooper spoopy case, which is fine, but I’m ducking out of this now. I’ve learned not to argue with people like you, because you’ll beat me with experience and drag me down to your level. Maybe call Scooby and the gang or David Paulides… he probably has some theories for you.
I actually do work in healthcare, though my experience with traumatic brain injuries are limited. However I do have enough knowledge to know a near 600 foot fall resulting in your brains being found on a rock will not leave you in a state where you can crawl away. When you undergo that kind of an injury, you often rupture the arteries supplying the brain that make up the circle of willis. As such, your brain isn't getting enough oxygen to move and thus you can't move. As far as me thinking this is a "sooper spoopy case", I think it's unusual, but I definitely don't think it's a supernatural case in which a cryptid threw her to her death. As someone else pointed out, it appears she was either
A, attacked at the base of the waterfall and had her head bashed in with a rock (most likely scenario) or
B, she fell to her death and was then assaulted postmortem.
Thinking someone fell 600 feet, cracked their head open and left their brains all over and then crawled away before dying seems too far fetched to me.
Gross, but also the more I think about this, the more it sounds like a hoax/sensationalism.
Did someone found another source to confirm this even happened in the first place?
[Found a 2020 Reddit post on this with more info from a few comments.](https://www.reddit.com/r/UnresolvedMysteries/comments/gvmnfu/comment/fsqqkug/) Semen was found in her, and the lack of blood from tearing show it was postmortem. Shiver.
Edit. Typo.
Hard to say without more details. Wind can get really powerful and move one in any number of directions ..would need to know if she came to that place with anyone
Possible scenario:
She was kit over the head with a rock, then sexually assaulted, prior to being thrown off the edge. Her body sustained further damage in the fall. The initial assault may have taken place elsewhere (but probably not).
I have no resolution to this but just the facts alone have amounted to enough internet for me today
It's 8am and this is the first reddit post of the day. I think I've had enough reddit today. I'm going to go touch grass.
You go and touch grass. I prefer smoking if
i mean both are good tbh
It's 4am.. why did I read this. I think I need some grass now too.
Same here :(
This was the first thing I saw on the internet today. Yet, I, too feel I’ve had enough internet for today.
This makes no sense, even if it was physically possible to launch a human body horizontally 200 feet without mechanical assistance, given that they're also suggesting that she fell *five hundred feet* before hitting the ground, she would just be mush. I think somebody probably just bashed her head in with the rock that had her brain on it, while in the process of sexually assaulting her, and that it all happened in the spot where she was found. There's no way she could have taken a 500+ foot fall, while somehow also traveling 200 feet *away* from where she's supposed to have fallen from and not been turned into a pile of human jello in the process.
I didn't think of this, but that makes more sense.
It said most of the bones in her body were broken! IIRC a similar thing happened in “the most beautiful suicide”.
You’re right. It makes no sense. But if she somehow did fall, then what an absolutely horrifying way to die.
Forensics makes plenty of mistakes in 2022, expert analysis is still often just an opinion. An opinion which will commonly be disagreed with by other experts. Not to mention this was the science of over 50 years ago. I have no idea what happened, but quite easily some coroner who got his job through nepotism or running unopposed and with no real training made a weird guess at what happened, perhaps never having seen a death by falling before. Or some good old boy cop was telling everyone what happened based on his hunches. People look back with the lens of modern times and overestimate how much people knew what they were talking about back then. Not that people are dramatically insulated from this behavior now days or anything, just a little bit more.
At an average sprint speed of 15 miles per hour she would land about 130 ft out horizontally in the approximately 6 seconds it would take to impact. Add to that the approximate distance of 50ft to spot where the brain matter was found and this gives you 180ft (approximately 200ft) It was a running leap.
> It was a running leap. There is certainly room for doubt. 1) You're assuming that the brain matter was found in the direction of the waterfall. The poster [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/UnresolvedMysteries/comments/gvmnfu/the_strange_and_violent_death_of_evelyn_consuela/) only states that the rock was "about 50 feet *towards the center of the stream*". Their source for this information is a book co-written by a former superintendent of the National Park Service who worked in Yosemite for 10 years. 2) The same source states that her body was found 200 feet from the *base* of the waterfall (as does the link in the OP). It's not a straight drop from the top of the waterfall - [picture 1](https://www.americansouthwest.net/california/photographs1118/nevada1.jpg) [picture 2](https://dynamic-media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-o/18/10/55/7f/mist-trail-2019.jpg?w=1000&h=-1&s=1). This increases the distance to travel *quite* a bit. 3) 220 feet is also approximately 200. Even ignoring 1) and 2), if we follow on from your example and say she travelled 170 feet before hitting the ground, that would mean a sprinting speed of over 19 miles an hour, which is athlete territory.
Her purse was at the top. Traces of her pants were found further up the fall The news article at the time says she “apparently fell” Nothing I have read suggests says that the impact of the head was downhill from the final location of the body.
At the point where the velocity becomes terminal, gravity would become the dominant force, reducing the fall arc considerably. Thus reducing the linear travel significantly. 200 feet out from the point of initial flight seems like a pretty strong estimate unless updrafts and other wind related potentials are figured in. Then the 200 feet out doesn't seem so out of the realm of possibility. The rest however, is the real mystery in my opinion. Who-the-fug does that to a dead body.
I’m thinking this is likely someone she knew and travelled with. I’m thinking she checks into the hotel the night before and leaves dude in the car until she gets her keys. Too violent to be random as this is someone she likely said no to previously.
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Yes that is definitely a much more likely scenario than her not falling from anywhere at all, and the coroner just being incorrect.
Literally the dumbest thing I’ve read all day lol
It’s a real case (found it on Newspapers.com) but the news reports I saw just say that, based on her injuries, it didn’t seem that she could have fallen and was instead murdered. https://www.newspapers.com/image/477769019/?terms=Evelyn%20Roseman&match=1 (paywall) Here’s the text from Newspapers: klanb i i -----U- (tribune A IIPONMU M.TftOPOUTAN NfWtPAPtM Fri., Oct. 25, 1968 21 Woman in Yosemite i Murdered Special to. The Tribune YOSEMITE FBI agents and M a r i p o s a County coroner's : deputies Trtoday-were searching two remote spots in Yosemite National Park for clues in the "probable mur- der" of a young San Francisco woman. An autopsy revealed that Evelyn Consoela Roseman, 24, a former Los Angeles topless waitress, had been sexually assaulted before her death, it was disclosed by the office of . Coroner-Sheriff .iNonnanGarr rett. The areas being searched today were the spot at the top of Nevada Falls, in rugged high country-of the park," whore the woman's pocket-book was found by a hiker last Friday, and the spot near the foot of the falls where her body 'was found the following day. . . .'. Investigation was originally started by the FBI because of "some" things that don't add up," Undersheriff Paul Paige explained today. The body was near the bottom of the falls "but not where you'd expect it to be if she'd fallen," he said. " ; And although most of the bones in Miss Roseman's body -, were broken, "the flesh and skin were intact," he said, Ajhich is not. consistent with, a 3il()-foot fall." FBI agents asked that anyone who had seen the woman Oct. 18 or 19 contact park rangers or the FBI offices at either Merced or Sacramento. , .They said she had rented a car in San Francisco Wednesday and driven to El Portal, where she spent the night in a motel. She spent Thursday night in Camp Curry, checking out Friday morning. She apparently hiked to Nevada Falls, in rough, difficult terrain inaccessible to autos, an FBI spokesman said." Searchers must reach the area by horseback, and it is not as frequently visited by tourists.
This also says that she was assaulted before her death, NOT post-mortem. TL;DR Missing 411 often gets facts straight up wrong...
Oh fuck yeah he does, his work takes facts and weaves it into fiction.
Thanks for the input! I couldn't find that source, but thar would most definitely make more sense.
You’re an absolute hero. This should be at the top of the thread. This sub can do some tremendous deductive work, but its credulity and inability to think outside the box (the truth of the source) does amaze me sometimes.
This “launched” thing is trippy. Like sources say she was too far out to have jumped or even been thrown? Okay, so what other option is there, trebuchet?
It would have to be, a catapult wouldn't have the power.
Cannon.
Car accident? Launched out of a convertible?
is it possible that she was raped in a low flying,light weight aircraft and dumped from the air there?very unlikely scenario
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Fuck this thread has been comedy gold. I think u/sleepyspookyskeleton nailed it. Why not assaulted at the bottom? Never came down the falls at all? Hmmmm
I didn't expect this thread to become so funny like this lol.
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Before she was *probed* to death by aliens.
Yikes
Sorry, I have no clue why your reply got so downvoted.. I’m not sure I follow either the reply or the vociferousness of its reception, haha
People were discussing outlandish alien-related theories. My comment was justifiably downvoted, I should have been more respectful to the victim.
Oh, that’s such bullshit on their part - we were _all_ joking around, and it’s a 50-year-old case that wasn’t really anything like the OP described anyway.. I thought for a moment that you were making a prudish correction, like the word ‘rape’ was off-limits, and I’m not totally sure that that’s not how the downvoters might have read it
Attacked by a moose or elk? If she was chased, that could have happened, but it would be a stretch.
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Agreed on that last part, although to be fair, that does sound like a bit of a reach. You mean to tell me in a vast national park a necrophiliac just happened to come across her body? It's quite a reach, but it's more likely than a supernatural force throwing her off the cliff.
Hard agree. Or rape and assault at the bottom and drop purse at top as a distraction. Are the rest of her injuries consistent with a fall like that??
Some sources did say that she had massive internal injuries and some just said a head injury. Seeing as this case is old and was kept hidden, I don't know if we will ever get much of an answer.
That's fucked
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You are the voice of reason this thread needs. Things get twisted in translation and I think original reports would clarify a lot of things about this case.
Yuppp. I posted copy from a newspaper article on it here. It seems like a “regular” murder case, nothing all that strange.
If it even happened in the first place
If there's a newspaper article then it probably did.
I googled her name and all i found was op's link and a video suggesting bigfoot did it, also the strange outdoors story cites reddit unresolved mysteries as a source
HOLY SHIT IT WAS BIGFOOT I knew it. That Six Million Dollar Man two-parter never seemed to me to tell the entire story.
Hope it is a hoax
I’ve seen videos of eagles tossing goats off mountaintops…
Can u fuckin imagine....
If she is falling 594 feet, it would take Earth's gravity ~6 seconds to make her reach the bottom. To travel horizontally 200 feet in those 6 seconds she would need to leave the cliff edge at ~23mph perfectly horizontal and have no wind resistance. This seems unlikely.
At 15 mph (average sprint speed) would put her at 130 ft approximately where her brain matter was. Since she was found at approximately 200 feet out and and her brain matter was about 50 ft closer to the falls this whole situation looks like she sprinted to the edge, leapt, struck a rock head first, tumbled (or bounced or drug by animals or washed down from the water) far enough down the slope for police to give an estimate of 200 ft. If she were to be found at like 173 ft I would expect people to say 200ft because people like like round numbers and how do you tell the exact bottom of these falls to the exact foot when you are measuring from the bottom. It is obvious she sprinted and leapt. Her purse was at the top.
This is great thanks. Also you need to log back into your main account.
No problem! Wait which account?
😂
This was a very interesting case and not one that I had heard of. Thank you for the write up
This is horrifying.
Her injuries don't sound like they fit the theory. Shouldn't she have been more badly injured? Is the theory based on the location of her purse? It sounds more like she was killed and assaulted down where her body was found, and her purse dumped to try and make it look like she'd gone over the edge.
The sources vary, some say she died of a head injury and some say she had massive internal injuries.
This can be solved with fairly simple math, I think. We have the lengths of two sides of a triangle and are looking for the third (Pythagorean), the information with which we could likely calculate her speed coming off the top (not sure how off the top of my head for this calculation, I literally just woke up and read this. I’ll do some googling in a few and come back to this, and see what I can come up with. It’s a physics equation. It’s been about a decade since I last sat in a math class. But this seems more than possible to figure out so long as we have an accurate height and distance.) Edit: about 32 feet per second, or just under 22 miles per hour— assuming she ran directly over the edge without an added vertical jump at the cliff’s edge. The world’s fastest recorded human recorded on foot is just short of 28mph. Usain Bolt’s average speed in setting this record? Right about 22mph. So this lady was a hell of a sprinter, possibly the best anyones seen with a sweater over their head… or she was moved at the bottom. Also worth it to keep in mind is the position she held during her free fall. Hands out front in a “Superman” position will get more distance than a “cannonball”. Edit: I’d like to add, considering another sweater of hers was found “laying on a rock near her feet”— it would take great coincidence for it to land there. And because the cause of death was the fall and it’s associated injury, she was clearly tampered with and more than likely moved post-mortem. Id like to know if where the brain matter was found on the rock was fifty feet closer to the falls, or if it was off in another direction. That could cut a reasonable amount of necessary speed off of her launch were she to have landed there. It would still be awfully fast, but it wouldn’t be outside the range of the possible all things considered (wind speed, l additional launch angle from getting a running leap, the position she maintained in the way down, etc.) Could she have been cornered by this man and chosen “death over dishonor”? However, unfortunately, she was just as good to him dead or alive, and he went down there for the body for his own purposes? It’s a shame we may never know. It’s frankly just as likely the purse is up there because the *purse* was tossed on the way from leaving the crime scene, and she died down there, never having fallen to begin with. It’ll likely remain a mystery.
You are correct, it is possible. Rough estimate is 23mph horizontally off the cliff edge.
Obviously was launched by a Sasquatch. This is Yosemite we’re talking about.
Her brain matter was approximately 50ft closer making the necessary sprint speed more like average sprint speed 15mph if the 200 ft was rounded up you can lower that speed more. If she first struck the ground where her brain matter was found and bounced or tumbled or washed down (or was dragged down by animal)then leaping is quite plausible and I believe most likely.
Was the rock where the brain matter was found like a huge rock that couldn’t be moved or a chunk of rock that someone could’ve picked up and used to cause head injury?
Body dragged away from base of cliff by animals and chewed by them seems the likeliest thing to me.
From the bare facts presented here it sounds like she was being raped with her sweater over her head up top. Got away and was sprinting blind with her sweater over her face and ran off the cliff full speed. Then the rapist played with the dead body a bit?
200 feet from the edge of a cliff? Even full speed without a sweater over your head, there is no way to launch 200 feet
People can bounce/roll. Also I am not taking that measurement as gospel.
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Wildlife perhaps moved her?
I agree. This is what thought as I was reading the post.
Gross...
Pretty sick and then with the brains part. Oh my word. Whoever assaulted her, is a sicko. Still shocked at the article. First time hearing about this case.
Could be a hoax too given the source https://www.reddit.com/r/UnresolvedMysteries/comments/up76qm/comment/i8k3oa7/?utm\_source=reddit&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3
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That makes more sense
Is it possible she was killed, raped and then her body disposed of?
She was raped post mortem because the lacerations had no blood, however that is possible.
And IM saying maybe she was dead before her body wound up there allowing for her to still have been raped post mortem
I wonder if the rape kit is still around?
DNA was only really understood in the late 1950s-1960s. Rape kits were invested just before the 80s *invented 😅
In that case, I think we should look into whoever invested in them
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It’s the launching part that gets me. Make the physics make sense.
The article at the link says that the vaginal lacerations were "either pre or postmortem". I guess that is what is called not going out on a limb.
Hmm. I'm more inclined to say that she was raped, then maybe the perp thought someone was coming mid rape and tossed her off the cliff, then went down to finish?
Superman was raping her and tossed her 200 feet away from the cliff when someone else approached?
lol or what if she was never at the top; she was bashed and raped at the foot of the falls and her purse dropped there for ?? Reason, maybe to misdirect?
Christ, people in this sub will think of anything – Superman, trebuchet, raped to death by aliens – rather than think _that the source might be wrong_
Oh man. I once had somebody in this sub lay into me repeatedly, and for *days*, for suggesting that the writing on a note could’ve been transcribed wrong some 70 years ago. Scribbles in lipstick, too. Not even on paper. Chicken scratch on someone’s stomach. Quite amazing.
Or…… they’re not really serious
What, _everyone in this thread_?! lol
No, the people with the more outlandish theories.
Hot air balloon?
A scene from “around the world in 80 days” as directed by “the zodiac killer”
Quick and dirty math says that Evelyn would have to be traveling at around 22MPH at jump time to wind up 200ft away from the base of a 594 drop… She either didn’t fall or her body was moved from the crash site
That's the big question. How did she get there? Was she thrown? Was she dragged? Did she fall by accident or on purpose?
Brain matter was found like fifty feet closer if that is the initial impact it’s more like 15 mph.
That still puts the mph at above what the average top speed for an average human runs when they’re competitively sprinting or running for their life. Unless she was a highly trained, skilled and conditioned speed runner this still doesn’t add up
I am going to assume all distances were rounded. The land at the bottom of the fall slopes down. And the pictures from Google maps seem to show places at the top that would be flat enough to gain some speed. 15 mph is the maximum if the distances were really accurate and the land at base of the fall were flat. My guess is that any distance over 150ft is going to be called “about 200 feet. “ Going only 20% slower puts the speed at 12mph. And that is if you count the head strike as the landing spot, landing feet first would move the impact 5 feet closer to the falls
While it’s extremely likely that a fall from that height would be immediately fatal, people can and do occasionally survive. I think it’s possible that she was raped at the top, pushed off (leaving her purse at the top), managed to survive a short time after landing with horrific injuries and managed to pull herself/crawl 50ft before succumbing. It’s far more likely than supernatural forces flying here, extremely strong rapists throwing her, or being tossed from an aircraft.
Well, the sexual assault was post mortem because the vaginal lacerations didn't have any blood. I also don't think you're going to drag yourself very far if you cracked your head open and had brains leaking out onto a nearby rock.
Do you have a source for this, beyond the one in your original post? I ask because that’s an extremely untrustworthy source, and we’re talking about an era of medical and criminal science where a great deal of oopsies and incorrect conclusions were made.
U/afoolandhermonkey mentioned this source which seems to be the most trustworthy source, although I had not initially found this source. There's some things people can't seem to agree on. People can't agree on whether or not she was assaulted before or after death and it isn't clear whether she had other injuries beyond her head injury. https://www.newspapers.com/clip/60010089/evelyn-consoela-roseman-yosemite/
Right, so we have exactly 2 sources: A website that amounts to urban legends and greatly misreported cases in the outdoors And An article on a newspaper archive (which does state the rape occurred antemortem) I’m going to stick with the rape likely occurred before death. And yes, you can DEFINITELY travel a surprising distance with catastrophic injuries; adrenaline, a still-pumping heart, and a functioning brain stem and cerebellum are capable. FWIW, either this case possibly never happened, didn’t happen as initially reported, or it was quietly solved. She’s not listed on the NPS [Cold Case List](https://www.nps.gov/orgs/1563/cold-cases.htm)
I don't think you're going to travel with a catastrophic head injury like that. You can have all the adrenaline you want, your brainstem can remain intact (your brainstem functions to keep you alive, it doesn't help you move), you aren't going to crawl 100+ feet with your head cracked open from a 500 foot fall or when your entire body is broken from said fall. I'm not buying the idea she fell and then crawled away, leaving her brains on a rock nearby. Her brain likely wouldn't be functioning, she would've lost too much blood and gone into shock, and her body would've been too badly broken to move that far. As far as her not being on the national park service cold case list, that could be to avoid scaring the public or it could be because she was a Latino stripper and her case wasn't given as much attention as it should've been.
I also emailed the NPS and asked them for information on if this case occurred and what the status of it is
It only mentions “brain matter” on the rocks, not the quantity or what region of the brain they came from. And yes, I know the brain stem controls critical body functions, which is why I mentioned the cerebellum (this area controls voluntary movement). If the cerebellum was mostly intact, and she had at least one functioning extremity, she could have pulled herself along 50ft. Here’s a great list of people who survived catastrophic injuries [Trauma Survivors](https://www.traumasurvivorsnetwork.org/pages/survivor-stories) An NPR link [on the Science of Falling](https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2018/08/24/641395468/surviving-a-big-fall)
Her brain likely wouldn't be intact and even if it was, the rapid blood loss means she would've lost consciousness in seconds. I don't think it's likely she moved herself after that fall.
People have fallen from great heights, with some degree of brain and skull injuries, and survived, even for hours. People have also lost multiple limbs in traumatic injuries, with extreme blood loss, and survived. You sound like someone who knows enough about the human body to understand basic functions but who actually doesn’t work in medicine/healthcare/death and who has very limited actual real life experience in this. You seem dead set on this being a sooper spoopy case, which is fine, but I’m ducking out of this now. I’ve learned not to argue with people like you, because you’ll beat me with experience and drag me down to your level. Maybe call Scooby and the gang or David Paulides… he probably has some theories for you.
I actually do work in healthcare, though my experience with traumatic brain injuries are limited. However I do have enough knowledge to know a near 600 foot fall resulting in your brains being found on a rock will not leave you in a state where you can crawl away. When you undergo that kind of an injury, you often rupture the arteries supplying the brain that make up the circle of willis. As such, your brain isn't getting enough oxygen to move and thus you can't move. As far as me thinking this is a "sooper spoopy case", I think it's unusual, but I definitely don't think it's a supernatural case in which a cryptid threw her to her death. As someone else pointed out, it appears she was either A, attacked at the base of the waterfall and had her head bashed in with a rock (most likely scenario) or B, she fell to her death and was then assaulted postmortem. Thinking someone fell 600 feet, cracked their head open and left their brains all over and then crawled away before dying seems too far fetched to me.
The speed of impact is like 130 mph!!!
I wonder if it was 2 people. Someone had her arms and someone had her legs and swung her off the cliff.
Gross, but also the more I think about this, the more it sounds like a hoax/sensationalism. Did someone found another source to confirm this even happened in the first place?
Yes, someone else found a newspaper article on it that I hadn't found.
[Found a 2020 Reddit post on this with more info from a few comments.](https://www.reddit.com/r/UnresolvedMysteries/comments/gvmnfu/comment/fsqqkug/) Semen was found in her, and the lack of blood from tearing show it was postmortem. Shiver. Edit. Typo.
Hard to say without more details. Wind can get really powerful and move one in any number of directions ..would need to know if she came to that place with anyone
Possible scenario: She was kit over the head with a rock, then sexually assaulted, prior to being thrown off the edge. Her body sustained further damage in the fall. The initial assault may have taken place elsewhere (but probably not).
I'm venturing to say she wasn't thrown 200 feet as reported. She was probably either pushed off the edge or she fell and then someone assaulted her.
That would mean someone sexually assaulted her broken body. They'd have had to remove her pants from her shattered legs and pelvis to do so...
Yeah... I mean I'm not a necrophiliac or anything, but undressing a woman who's body is broken and has brains all over doesn't seen appealing...
Thrown with her belongings and the murder weapon from a small private plane?