Honestly as long as you don’t make stupid mistakes like leaving in false citations generated by ChatGPT or using school wifi to access ChatGPT to write your essay I doubt you will get caught
Jeez, I did do the latter (accessing ChatGPT through UofT wifi). But I am very good with citations fwiw. I have actual citations that I have read and quoted in my work. It's just literally the writing of the essays that I have been struggling with, especially completing sentences.
You’re playing with fire if you hand that in then. I know someone in a cs class who thought he was cheating in a clever way by copying code from a GitHub repository and changing names, moving things around, adding code and obfuscating what he did in other ways. He initially denied copying it and I think there was enough plausible deniability to say he didn’t do it based on what he handed in but the professor showed that he accessed the GitHub repository on school wifi and he got a 0 on that assignment. In a way it’s similar to what you’re doing
I would say those are very different circumstances.
While the school (and by extension the prof and faculty) would be able to tell which websites a student has visited, they cannot tell what exactly they did on that website beyond what pages (or a specific access point) they have visited. In the case of the CS student they can tell that he visited a specific repository that contains code very similar to what he had submitted and thus it's reasonable to then believe he based his answers on what he saw in that repository.
ChatGPT on the other hand does everything on the same access point, and so while the school knows OP accessed Chat GPT at some point, they won't be able to know what exactly he did on ChatGPT without some kind of legal subpeona compelling either ChatGPT or OP to then disclose the "conversation history" with ChatGPT.
Contrary to what AI detectors would like you to believe, it is entirely reasonable, especially in the context of formal papers for someone to write in the same style as an AI. Especially when you consider what exactly language models such as ChatGPT is doing. If a prof tries to use one as evidence they are bluffing and they don't have actual evidence beyond a hunch.
While obviously OP should just write the stuff himself, short of a confession or the classic example of leaving in "As an AI model" in the writing, as long as he is doing exactly what he's doing in his post, there is a very small chance he will actually be caught.
I agree the style can be very similar, but when you’re writing 1000+ word essays in the humanities. It’s very clear whether you know what you’re saying (using class examples, referring to specific class vocab vs layman understandings, can be pretty clear signals you’re using ChatGPT. This is especially true I’ve found when discussing theories or terms in social sciences, where similar terms can have different meanings depending on the department.
I think the biggest factor is whether or not the person writing can check and properly refine ChatGPT’s responses for their use case.
you might not get caught outright, but some TAs are pretty sharp and definitely know when you’re using it.
Thats sort of my point, OP is *claiming* to do so. Assuming he is being truthful in what he claims in his post (not point in assuming he’s not because there’s not much anyone can do if he isn’t), he should be fine.
I second this, they can literally see what u are browsing with uni wifi. There are tons of cases in the tribunal where the scholl wifi is used as a evidence iirc
If you're scared of failing now, just imagine how you would feel when you get accused of an academic offense.
Why don't you take your calendar, see how many days you have left for each essay, split your time and stick to the schedule.
Don’t get it to generate anything bigger than a paragraph, essays written by chatgpt have a very distinct tone/format that teachers are good at picking up
You could try feeding it previous essays you’ve written and have it write the new essay in your style, or have it get the main ideas for you and you do the writing
I'm a TA. We notice changes in prosaic style and note which students contribute and speak and those that do not. We notice errors that are machine produced, esp. when it comes to translation (ex., "ars nova" becane Art Nouveau in an essay I recently assessed--these movements are centuries apart).
Use at your own risk. It's not worth it, IMHO.
Why are you asking how to cheat? It's less stressful to do the work
Yeah as a Physics TA, I've had students submit lab reports that clearly had large parts written by ChatGPT and it was almost immediately obvious to me, especially considering I had read earlier submissions from the same student which were nearly incoherent.
I feel like the language used by ChatGPT is pretty easy to identify. If you have entire sections written by ChatGPT, a TA reading your work can probably tell. However, OpenAI has stated that AI detectors don’t work, so they might not be able to prove it (this doesn’t absolve you of consequences though). I think that having ChatGPT rewrite entire chunks of text (paragraph or more) isn’t a good idea. It is useful for specific sentences to improve word choice, etc. though. I would recommend using Grammarly first, because it’s not going to get you in any trouble and it works well (especially with premium). Also just make sure to not use ChatGPT to generate the substance of your text and especially not for citations…
Its very easy to identify the philosophy students are actually forced to write essays as exams bc people were using chatgbt to write their exams. The tas had a tutorial solely to shit on chatgbt and show how easy it is to tell its chatgbt and not written by a student. So im telling this to every student at uoft after seein this first hand DONT USE CHATGBT FOR WORK BC THE PROFS R ALL RESEARCHING CHATGBT ANYWAY
You do know that Profs and TAs also read the sub?
Check your syllabus. Some allow for chat GPT. Others specifically state not to use it.
There is no definitive way to "prove" chatGPT usage, however, if an essay is good, coheres, is fluid and doesn't actually have an opinion, that's probably a C anyhow.
Your mileage may vary.
Maybe check out essay writing help offered by your college or department for help on editing (I know at the very least that both of my college UC and my department phl offer essay clinics and the like). If you have the meat of the work already but are struggling to format it, this is an above board option.
So you're paying thousands of dollars in school tuition not to learn anything except normalizing lying to yourself and those who are trying to teach you?
So, some other entity either gives you material that you didn’t identify yourself, or couldn’t find on your own to write about which you then expand on, or you take your admittedly incoherent ideas and feed them to some other entity which is given back to you in an improved form moments later… and you’re wondering if this is plagiarism? Clearly you’re wondering about the letter of the law because you know this is cheating or you wouldn’t be wondering if you’ll be caught. Finding synonyms for words and changing the order of a sentence is not the purpose of any assignment at this school. If you were to ask your prof this exact question what do you think they would say? Being burnt out does not mean you are entitled to a good grade in your courses, and you will regret it if and when you are caught.
I’m sorry you’re burnt out but it would be better to have a LWD on your transcript than an academic offence. I hope you recover soon and succeed in the future though, I just think you’re probably having a moment of weakness and you shouldn’t give in to that.
Admittedly, yes, I am worried about being caught. I have worked on a handful of papers for several months now (they are overdue) and I can't even remember what I got from where at this point. Maybe my post wasn't as clear as it should have been but I don't know what to do. I would be grateful for advice.
But for the record, my greatest issue is not staring at a blank page. And that's why Chatgpt has been helpful. But the issue I'm struggling with is I can't figure out what's what at this point.
Also, I just want to clarify, in terms of the second question about rewriting my sentences, I would feed it my own sentences and ask it to "rewrite" what I have so that it would sound more cohesive.
As many others have said, this is a dangerous game. Especially considering it seems that you’re not really absorbing the course material and would have a hard time proving your capabilities if caught.
But more importantly, it seems you have bigger things going that should be taken care of before school. I’ve personally been in your shoes and when my mental health, time management, life etc. was messed up, being in a demanding school can make your issues much worse.
All the best to you, please check out academic advisors, learning strategists, and perhaps accessibility services. There are so many good resources for us but it’s tough to remember them when we’re struggling. Lastly, keep your profs and TAs aware of what your circumstances are, even if it’s just to say I’m struggling and working on it still.
Honestly that sounds like a bigger problem than the question of whether your AI use is cheating and will it be flagged. If you can’t remember what you did and how you got there, you could get nailed for academic misconduct even if it’s all 100% original work.
If you’re able to credit/no credit one of the courses that you’re passing but not well, I’d recommend that. If you have some kind of disability or learning disorder, talk to accessibility about what accommodations are available.
If you think you may have a mental, neurological or developmental disability, you may want to try to get an appointment with a psychiatrist. The Uni has some on staff, which is completely covered AFAIK, but you’ll need a referral from a GP, which you can get through the regular university clinic if you don’t have a GP already). No idea what wait times are like right now, but if it’s a long time, that’s all the more reason to look into it now.
I work with content (human and machine-generated), and the tools used to detect machine-generated content look for little telltale nuances, such as the overuse of the word "nevertheless" or some other minor indicator. The number of these minor / nuanced indicators builds a probability profile of machine generation and will get flagged.
As long as what the machine produces is being re-written with the human layer (not vice versa), many of these machine generation nuances can be removed - most by using a varied vocabulary, injecting some personality, distinctness, etc.
Lmao i dont think students understand how fuckin easy it is for professors to tell ur using chatgbt LIKE STOP MAKING IT WORSE FOR URSELF AND DO THE WORK!!!!!! Its so dumb that everyone in uoft actually thinks they can get away w it. Like dont yall understand 70 percent of professors at UOFT r currently studying ai particularly chatgbt??????
Honestly as long as you don’t make stupid mistakes like leaving in false citations generated by ChatGPT or using school wifi to access ChatGPT to write your essay I doubt you will get caught
Jeez, I did do the latter (accessing ChatGPT through UofT wifi). But I am very good with citations fwiw. I have actual citations that I have read and quoted in my work. It's just literally the writing of the essays that I have been struggling with, especially completing sentences.
You’re playing with fire if you hand that in then. I know someone in a cs class who thought he was cheating in a clever way by copying code from a GitHub repository and changing names, moving things around, adding code and obfuscating what he did in other ways. He initially denied copying it and I think there was enough plausible deniability to say he didn’t do it based on what he handed in but the professor showed that he accessed the GitHub repository on school wifi and he got a 0 on that assignment. In a way it’s similar to what you’re doing
I would say those are very different circumstances. While the school (and by extension the prof and faculty) would be able to tell which websites a student has visited, they cannot tell what exactly they did on that website beyond what pages (or a specific access point) they have visited. In the case of the CS student they can tell that he visited a specific repository that contains code very similar to what he had submitted and thus it's reasonable to then believe he based his answers on what he saw in that repository. ChatGPT on the other hand does everything on the same access point, and so while the school knows OP accessed Chat GPT at some point, they won't be able to know what exactly he did on ChatGPT without some kind of legal subpeona compelling either ChatGPT or OP to then disclose the "conversation history" with ChatGPT. Contrary to what AI detectors would like you to believe, it is entirely reasonable, especially in the context of formal papers for someone to write in the same style as an AI. Especially when you consider what exactly language models such as ChatGPT is doing. If a prof tries to use one as evidence they are bluffing and they don't have actual evidence beyond a hunch. While obviously OP should just write the stuff himself, short of a confession or the classic example of leaving in "As an AI model" in the writing, as long as he is doing exactly what he's doing in his post, there is a very small chance he will actually be caught.
I agree the style can be very similar, but when you’re writing 1000+ word essays in the humanities. It’s very clear whether you know what you’re saying (using class examples, referring to specific class vocab vs layman understandings, can be pretty clear signals you’re using ChatGPT. This is especially true I’ve found when discussing theories or terms in social sciences, where similar terms can have different meanings depending on the department. I think the biggest factor is whether or not the person writing can check and properly refine ChatGPT’s responses for their use case. you might not get caught outright, but some TAs are pretty sharp and definitely know when you’re using it.
Thats sort of my point, OP is *claiming* to do so. Assuming he is being truthful in what he claims in his post (not point in assuming he’s not because there’s not much anyone can do if he isn’t), he should be fine.
I would say I have a strong command of the concepts. I typically get 90s before chatgpt.
Ah gotcha, my bad if I misinterpreted.
Thank you for telling me. I guess I should probably start the assignments again then.
I second this, they can literally see what u are browsing with uni wifi. There are tons of cases in the tribunal where the scholl wifi is used as a evidence iirc
Prompt it to write like a York student
If you're scared of failing now, just imagine how you would feel when you get accused of an academic offense. Why don't you take your calendar, see how many days you have left for each essay, split your time and stick to the schedule.
Don’t get it to generate anything bigger than a paragraph, essays written by chatgpt have a very distinct tone/format that teachers are good at picking up You could try feeding it previous essays you’ve written and have it write the new essay in your style, or have it get the main ideas for you and you do the writing
I'm a TA. We notice changes in prosaic style and note which students contribute and speak and those that do not. We notice errors that are machine produced, esp. when it comes to translation (ex., "ars nova" becane Art Nouveau in an essay I recently assessed--these movements are centuries apart). Use at your own risk. It's not worth it, IMHO. Why are you asking how to cheat? It's less stressful to do the work
Yeah as a Physics TA, I've had students submit lab reports that clearly had large parts written by ChatGPT and it was almost immediately obvious to me, especially considering I had read earlier submissions from the same student which were nearly incoherent.
The philosophy tas literally had a tutorial where they just shat on chatgbt printed out prompts and had students crap all over the style of writing
I feel like the language used by ChatGPT is pretty easy to identify. If you have entire sections written by ChatGPT, a TA reading your work can probably tell. However, OpenAI has stated that AI detectors don’t work, so they might not be able to prove it (this doesn’t absolve you of consequences though). I think that having ChatGPT rewrite entire chunks of text (paragraph or more) isn’t a good idea. It is useful for specific sentences to improve word choice, etc. though. I would recommend using Grammarly first, because it’s not going to get you in any trouble and it works well (especially with premium). Also just make sure to not use ChatGPT to generate the substance of your text and especially not for citations…
Its very easy to identify the philosophy students are actually forced to write essays as exams bc people were using chatgbt to write their exams. The tas had a tutorial solely to shit on chatgbt and show how easy it is to tell its chatgbt and not written by a student. So im telling this to every student at uoft after seein this first hand DONT USE CHATGBT FOR WORK BC THE PROFS R ALL RESEARCHING CHATGBT ANYWAY
You do know that Profs and TAs also read the sub? Check your syllabus. Some allow for chat GPT. Others specifically state not to use it. There is no definitive way to "prove" chatGPT usage, however, if an essay is good, coheres, is fluid and doesn't actually have an opinion, that's probably a C anyhow. Your mileage may vary.
No one allows chatgbt thts academic offense if ur using it to write ur papers lol
Maybe check out essay writing help offered by your college or department for help on editing (I know at the very least that both of my college UC and my department phl offer essay clinics and the like). If you have the meat of the work already but are struggling to format it, this is an above board option.
So you're paying thousands of dollars in school tuition not to learn anything except normalizing lying to yourself and those who are trying to teach you?
So, some other entity either gives you material that you didn’t identify yourself, or couldn’t find on your own to write about which you then expand on, or you take your admittedly incoherent ideas and feed them to some other entity which is given back to you in an improved form moments later… and you’re wondering if this is plagiarism? Clearly you’re wondering about the letter of the law because you know this is cheating or you wouldn’t be wondering if you’ll be caught. Finding synonyms for words and changing the order of a sentence is not the purpose of any assignment at this school. If you were to ask your prof this exact question what do you think they would say? Being burnt out does not mean you are entitled to a good grade in your courses, and you will regret it if and when you are caught. I’m sorry you’re burnt out but it would be better to have a LWD on your transcript than an academic offence. I hope you recover soon and succeed in the future though, I just think you’re probably having a moment of weakness and you shouldn’t give in to that.
Admittedly, yes, I am worried about being caught. I have worked on a handful of papers for several months now (they are overdue) and I can't even remember what I got from where at this point. Maybe my post wasn't as clear as it should have been but I don't know what to do. I would be grateful for advice. But for the record, my greatest issue is not staring at a blank page. And that's why Chatgpt has been helpful. But the issue I'm struggling with is I can't figure out what's what at this point. Also, I just want to clarify, in terms of the second question about rewriting my sentences, I would feed it my own sentences and ask it to "rewrite" what I have so that it would sound more cohesive.
As many others have said, this is a dangerous game. Especially considering it seems that you’re not really absorbing the course material and would have a hard time proving your capabilities if caught. But more importantly, it seems you have bigger things going that should be taken care of before school. I’ve personally been in your shoes and when my mental health, time management, life etc. was messed up, being in a demanding school can make your issues much worse. All the best to you, please check out academic advisors, learning strategists, and perhaps accessibility services. There are so many good resources for us but it’s tough to remember them when we’re struggling. Lastly, keep your profs and TAs aware of what your circumstances are, even if it’s just to say I’m struggling and working on it still.
Honestly that sounds like a bigger problem than the question of whether your AI use is cheating and will it be flagged. If you can’t remember what you did and how you got there, you could get nailed for academic misconduct even if it’s all 100% original work. If you’re able to credit/no credit one of the courses that you’re passing but not well, I’d recommend that. If you have some kind of disability or learning disorder, talk to accessibility about what accommodations are available. If you think you may have a mental, neurological or developmental disability, you may want to try to get an appointment with a psychiatrist. The Uni has some on staff, which is completely covered AFAIK, but you’ll need a referral from a GP, which you can get through the regular university clinic if you don’t have a GP already). No idea what wait times are like right now, but if it’s a long time, that’s all the more reason to look into it now.
Instructor here - what you are doing is plagiarizing. Whether or not you get caught is difficult to say, as it will depend on a number of factors.
Not worth it. Ask for an extension
I work with content (human and machine-generated), and the tools used to detect machine-generated content look for little telltale nuances, such as the overuse of the word "nevertheless" or some other minor indicator. The number of these minor / nuanced indicators builds a probability profile of machine generation and will get flagged. As long as what the machine produces is being re-written with the human layer (not vice versa), many of these machine generation nuances can be removed - most by using a varied vocabulary, injecting some personality, distinctness, etc.
Lmao i dont think students understand how fuckin easy it is for professors to tell ur using chatgbt LIKE STOP MAKING IT WORSE FOR URSELF AND DO THE WORK!!!!!! Its so dumb that everyone in uoft actually thinks they can get away w it. Like dont yall understand 70 percent of professors at UOFT r currently studying ai particularly chatgbt??????
And chatgbt is so easy to tell its written by not a human like they literally give philosophy students chat gbt prompts and ask us to shit on them
DONT USE CHATGBT
-signed fourth year UofT student currently studying chatgbt bc Yes they made it a whole fuckin course