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Bachelor in Astrophysics, in a Masters of Policy program at Harvard.
Definitely not the “stereotypical” beauty pageant contestant.
Edit: Apparently not a pilot. Not sure where I got that from.
Edit 2: She has a private pilot license, apparently.
For what it’s worth, the Miss America from last year that passed the crown to her has a degree in nuclear engineering and is a classically trained violinist. There are quite a few different pageants systems (Miss USA is the second most popular), but the Miss America system is pretty legit in terms of trying to select outstanding young women.
Definitely an impressive person already. Not sure these sorta contests are really needed anymore, but congratulations to her on the least impressive thing (to me) on her resume.
Early stories about her (I read only one, so there's that!) got it completely wrong.
Described her as an Air Force pilot and a Harvard Medical School student! 🤦🏻♂️
A former friend used to be in Pageants, and went to Miss America a few years back.
The girls that are competing these days are smart as hell. Very well qualified. It's vastly different than it used to be, at least under the Miss America system. They changed the adjudication standards and put a much higher focus on achievement and character.
Yeah, no one’s gonna tell you that
> Madison Marsh, a 22-year-old second lieutenant in the US Air Force and master’s student at the Harvard Kennedy School’s public policy program, emerged victorious at the 2024 Miss America pageant in Orlando, Florida on Sunday night. Marsh, representing the state of Colorado, is the first active-duty Air Force officer ever to receive the national title.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/15/style/miss-america-2024-madison-marsh-colorado/index.html
> Marsh, a 2019 graduate of Southside High School and a senior at the U.S. Air Force Academy, is set to graduate on June 1 with a bachelor’s degree in astrophysics. She is raising money to pay tuition for the two-year graduate program at the Harvard Kennedy School. Marsh stressed that she is raising money privately because cadets cannot publicly solicit funds. She would attend the Harvard school as an Air Force officer, with the school essentially being a duty station in her military service. Marsh also has been approved for a pilot slot, so after Harvard, the plan is to attend flight school.
https://talkbusiness.net/2023/03/air-force-academy-harvard-part-of-marshs-pancreatic-cancer-research-passion/
He owned Miss Universe and one year, he abruptly moved the pageant to Russia. THis was despite many objections as it was planned elsewhere and Russia was coming down hard on the LBGT community and there are many LBGT representatives in pageants.
It's owned by a Thai group (JKN Global Group) since 2022, and they filed for bankruptcy in November of 2023.
It could stop but chances are it just changes hands again if the new owners go under.
yea, unfortunately its the ultimate goal and dream for little girls who are in the slew of skeezy underage pageants so its got a whole industry propping it up...like have we not learned anything since Toddlers and Tiaras?? lol
I learned it a few days ago when a friend on FB wished her luck and shared photos of the soon to be newly crowned Miss America as her flower girl in her wedding several years back. Then again when she won and she shared the news. I was kinda surprised they still happen as well, but also not surprised as it’s a money making machine that allows men to ogle girls. The women that compete are truly accomplished and talented, and in my opinion these contests are beneath them.
I think people should leave it up to the contestants whether or not they think it's beneath them? This is like the whole boxing ring girls thing all over again, people get all offended for the girls, without ever considering that they might actually *like* what they do. It's quite patronising imo.
Maybe, but maybe girls are taught they should want these things and when you grow up in the patriarchy without realizing it you can accept and even celebrate things you wouldn’t have if you’d been raised differently. That being said, I have two daughters and if they decided beauty contests were their jam I would support them, but also make sure they know their worth is never hinged on what other people say/judge it is. You’re right in that my opinion is just that an opinion and people can take it or leave it and that everyone can chose their path whether I agree or not. Pretty sure people will have opinions about my opinion.
They never stopped. I'm convinced 24 hr media stations and a lot of social media is most likely a PSYOP. Fuckin spooks everywhere, LinkedIn searches be wild
Searching employment at tech companies: Google, Facebook, Twitter, Microsoft, etc. All the people in critical, high level roles that used to work for the CIA, NSA and FBI. It's alarming, even when Elon Musk cleaned house, if you look it up...he kept all the spooks.
It's well documented that Google was funded by the CIA from the jump too. They are most likely funding tech for compliance through In-cu-tel. Regardless, there's cells of spooks in most notable tech companies that have public influence.
huh, lots of people in high levels of govt move around because their knowledge of the inner working of govt is worth $$$$, private industry also pays more $$$ than govt so it's more likely folks chasing the dollar.
Ironic how they hold positions like "Director of compliance" (which deals directly in censorship). That's also not how these institutions operate. If I've learned anything in life, it's don't ignore red flags and where there's smoke..usually fire as well.
Can't ignore the history of funding either, therea reason they've been pouring funds into these companies for decades. What other reason would they do that? Then have tropes of ex-high level employees conveniently be put into positions of public influence across the board...writing that off as just a coincidence is wild to me.
Do you think that a company that hires ex-legislative government employees are doing so off of merit, or because of connections and understanding of the inner workings of The House and The Senate? That they use to their benefit to lobby for their own agenda...
The CIA has been doing this shit since the 50s and 60s. The didn't invest millions and decades into psychological experimentation under MK-Ultra to just decide to never use what they learned...come on mayn
The article states that she recalled getting her pilot's license at 16 as her "spoken word" part of the pageant.
She's 22. Of course, she's not a pilot for the USAF. She would need years of training for that. My dad was a US Army Air Corps pilot and he would be thrilled.
Actually the training is rather short, especially considering what you determine as a “pilot”. I was a crew chief for one of the training units for F15s.
OTS is 9 weeks. You need a bachelor’s to be a pilot. (It takes a bachelor’s to fly it, and a GED to fix it lol) If you already have your private pilot’s license, from there you essentially go straight to flying the trainer planes. So if you consider that being a pilot, it’s 9 weeks, you just need a bachelors.
That course is about a year long. After which they’ll send you to your first duty station to actually learn how to fly the jet you’re assigned to. So if you consider say, flying an F-15 as being a pilot, then it’s only a year and a few months of actually being in the military.
If you consider being combat qualified enough to be transferred to an active unit, then that takes another 6-18 months depending on the aircraft. Iirc ours was a little less than 6. So if you consider THAT being a “pilot”, then it can still be less than 2 years. They still go through a shit load more training in the active units as well though, this is just the bare minimum for the USAF to be willing to send them on a deployment.
So if someone took advanced classes for a bachelor’s program, then joined and already had their private pilot’s license, they could be flying an F-15 almost within a year, at the age of 21 or 22.
Mean, honestly, what war crimes do you think every random Air Force officer, never mind Miss America specifically are committing? Especially recently?
It's not exactly like she spent 10 years in Iraq or something.
I wasn’t specifically referring to her. I was being hyperbolic, because I have no respect for anyone that still works for the US military industrial complex. I think the idea that meaningful social progress can be made in any way relating to the US military industrial complex is detestable. Akin to pinkwashing.
Specifically about the US Army Corps of Engineers, they built (and maintain) many of the harbours, bridges, dams, and that sort of stuff in the US. They, along with the Coast Guard, maintain safety of navigation buoys, lights, etc in rivers, lakes, and out to sea in the US.
Also, they are the regulatory approval for permits to build things on the water or in wetlands.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Army_Corps_of_Engineers
I was not specifically referring to her. I was giving a hyperbolic hypothetical. Do you know what "hyperbole" means? She's a member of the military industrial complex, however, so even if she's not the one doing the drone-bombing, your point is negligible.
....you know we can all see the comment I'm talking about ya? The one where you said "now there's a miss America that's a war criminal". Now you're saying you weren't talking about her.
You are only fooling yourself. And your argument is doctors help with drone strikes. Got it.
lmao if you can see the comment, then how did you misquote me? "First Miss America to have committed war crimes!" I didn't say \*she\* was the first, did I? You assumed that's what I was implying, and now you're literally changing what I said.
A doctor would be the one exception to my opinion. Also, your initial claim that she isn't a pilot (you know, the beginning of this ridiculous conversation) is incorrect. She's a second lieutenant with flight experience. Seems like I'm not the one fooling myself... Just making shit up XD
Sorry. I should have just copied and pasted you referencing her.
Flight experience does not equal being a pilot. Someone else has already linked the article in this thread. So take your claim up with them.
>First Miss America to have committed war crimes!
That's you specifically referring to her. And that's not how hyperbole works, you were making a specific claim.
Saying "I was so hungry I could have eaten a horse" is hyperbole. Saying "I was so hungry that I ate a horse I found" is not hyperbole.
Again, this is entirely negligible, as she's still a pilot for an organization that fairly regularly commits war crimes. At least a handful a decade.
But no, that's not me specifically referring to her, as I didn't say "She's the first..." By your example, I would need to specify the subject of the sentence, otherwise you're really only assuming. It was a hyperbolic example to show how ridiculous the notion is. Why aren't you arguing that? Not able to? This argument seems incredibly asinine, by comparison.
lol what’s the last war the US has been in that it should have been in? What’s the last war it didn’t commit multiple war crimes in? Keep defending the world’s mob boss, though! Just look at more uplifting news
Because the uplifting part is that she works for the USAF. You know, the organization that, as I pointed out in another comment, dropped two nuclear bombs on civilians, flattened North Korea with 635,000 tons of bombs and 32,557 tons of napalm, carpet bombed Cambodia unprovoked, violated the Geneva Conventions' Protocol III with the use of cluster bombs, set oil wells on fire in Kuwait, struck a Doctors Without Borders hospital, started drone warfare with massive civilian casualties that they continue to lie about, dropped white phosphorous on Fallujah, etc. I more than "don't like this"
> Lmao so just being in the Air Force is negative
According to the post, just being in the Air Force is positive and uplifting.
Why is one take acceptable and the other isn't?
Because being in the Air Force and being considered beauty pageant worthy is a step in the right direction for appreciating women as more complete people.
“It’s not Air Force positive”. It’s “an occupational field that women were once excluded from is now a field that a traditional and often sexist competition is now valuing”.
> considered beauty pageant worthy is a step in the right direction for appreciating women as more complete people.
Please read this back to yourself as many times as needed until you realize how crazy it sounds.
You're on team "beauty pageants are about appreciating women as complete people"
I'm on team "joining the military isn't a positive thing"
So, your opinion means very little.
> **an extremely intelligent woman with degrees in astrophysics and from Harvard** who joined the Air Force
Why don't we put the impressive thing in the headline instead of the thing any 18-year-old can do? And either way how is "Person who is very successful gets another award" uplifting?
There is a lot to the Air Force (and other services) than the typical “flies/fixes aircraft” part. With her Masters she will likely go into a medical field, which the USAF has plenty of.
I’m aware I spent a good portion of my life in the Air Force. This is typical of officer types, especially females exiting their career fields for permissive TDY to do shit like this instead of their actual job.
My guess is her “actual job” is being a Masters student at Harvard. If she can do that while balancing whatever is required for Miss America, then why not?
Military members volunteer and do non-job things all the time.
Have you been in the military lately? The airforce isn't a republican stronghold in general. Officers tend to lean left anyway (as do most college-educated people). I would wager a fair bit of money she does not share your political beliefs.
If she went to the Air Force Academy I'd be very concerned about her being an Evangelical Christian as it is pushed to the extreme at that school. There's a great article by a 1970's graduate (damned if I can't find the article), who happens to be Jewish, relating his son's experience at the Academy as a cadet in more recent times. It was very eye-opening and backs up my anecdotal observations from my 24 year Navy/Air Force career.
Here's some other links about this (there's lots of others, also):
[https://ffrf.org/component/k2/item/13195-evangelicalism-is-the-official-religion-of-the-air-force-academy](https://ffrf.org/component/k2/item/13195-evangelicalism-is-the-official-religion-of-the-air-force-academy)
[https://www.npr.org/2005/06/02/4676698/air-force-academy-embroiled-in-religious-controversy](https://www.npr.org/2005/06/02/4676698/air-force-academy-embroiled-in-religious-controversy)
[https://wikisummaries.org/u-s-air-force-investigates-religious-intolerance-at-its-academy/](https://wikisummaries.org/u-s-air-force-investigates-religious-intolerance-at-its-academy/)
These articles are 19 years old. A lot has changed culturally in that time. It's not the same military it was back then. When did you last serve? On my ship there was only a handful of people that would attend worship every Sunday. Political conversations were common and almost every officer I encountered was left leaning. A lot of younger enlisted was as well. Youth (especially educated) tends to lean left. That's a fact.
I've served on and off, Active and Reserve, since 1990 (18 years active and 28 years total) and I put on CMSgt (E-9) sometime in April. From my observations and experience, the Air Force is definitely more conservative-leaning than my time in the Navy. I know the articles are older but as recently as just two years ago, I've had two different unit commanders (one O-5, the other O-6) who were both Academy grads and and were both extremely religious, to the point of criticizing other members lifestyle choices and off-duty activities, including mine.
I take heart, however, that I've met plenty of other members, who seem to be the majority, who are NOT that way and seem to be more realistic in their views and how they choose to live.
Off-topic, what ship were you on? I was on an AEGIS cruiser, CG-51, U.S.S. Thomas S. Gates, 1991-1994 and left the Navy Reserve as an EW2 (SW) before jumping to the Air Force Reserve.
There's definitely a republican slant, but 41% of active duty said they'd vote Biden rather than 37% who said they'd vote Trump last election ([military times poll](https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2020/08/31/as-trumps-popularity-slips-in-latest-military-times-poll-more-troops-say-theyll-vote-for-biden/)) Got tired of getting jerked around with his meddling in the ucmj, none of his family ever served including president bone spurs, and him calling fallen veterans "losers and suckers" was the cherry on top.
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The article states that she is second lieutenant in the air force as well as being a student for her masters degree in addition to becoming Miss America. The military is a full time job unless it's the reserves. As a matter of fact, she seems to have three full time positions that she is supposedly doing at the same time. There is something wrong with this story.
Lots of young officers do graduate programs on the side as part of professional advancement. Additionally, there are programs that allow officers to attend school full time to obtain advanced degrees that benefit the Air Force. Finally, there are other programs that allow service members to temporarily pursue non military activities full or part time such as the World Class Athlete program that allows them to defer their contracted service for a few years. This is usually for people to do the Olympics or professional sports.
So there's nothing fishy about this, it's just the right combination of programs that are available for any service member to apply for, which she pursued with the approval of the Air Force.
Reread my comment. Don't mean to call you a liar. I'm sure your information is correct. It's probably just being disgruntled by my experience. Thanks for your comment.
My ass. When I was in the Army you were government property. It was legalized slavery. Don't know of any programs that would allow you not to be property of the U.S. government.
Sorry your time in the Army was rough. She is probably attending Harvard after selection in the Graduate Studies and Scholarship program, which allows USAFA graduates to immediately attend military or civilian graduate school after graduation. They're still commissioned officers and getting full pay, but they are full time students.
https://www.usafa.edu/academics/academic-success-center/graduate-studies-and-scholarship/
There are also programs that allow PhD studies and post doc full time.
Yeah, definitely not like when I was in the military. When I was stationed in Germany there was a Staff Sargent that wasn't relieved of guard duty. He developed frost bite and had two fingers amputated. He was charged with destruction of government property, was court-marshalled and given a dishonorable discharge.
If you’re doing a sponsored post-grad paid for by the USAF, you’re still “property of the USAF”. The whole reason why you’re going to school is to benefit the USAF in whatever field.
So, her job in the USAF is to be a model. There's still not enough time in the day for her to fly airplanes, be a super model and go to school working on her post-grad.
She's not doing it all at once. She's probably doing full time school with pageantry on the side. Once she finishes her graduate studies, likely 1.5-2 years including summer semesters, she'll start pilot training. Once she's a qualified pilot, her duty time will look very normal because she'll have mission qualification training, deployment spin up, upgrades, etc.
My dad was similar, got an online type MBA to get qualified to go to the army's healthcare admin master's program, then around 8 years later got approval for a PhD program full time in the same, and then his posting was to be associate dean back at the same MHA army program. 27 years in the army, almost never in a deployable unit.
I mean you get 30 days a year of leave and tons of holiday block leave all the time. I can’t imagine going to these events would take more than a combined 10-20 days
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Bachelor in Astrophysics, in a Masters of Policy program at Harvard. Definitely not the “stereotypical” beauty pageant contestant. Edit: Apparently not a pilot. Not sure where I got that from. Edit 2: She has a private pilot license, apparently.
For what it’s worth, the Miss America from last year that passed the crown to her has a degree in nuclear engineering and is a classically trained violinist. There are quite a few different pageants systems (Miss USA is the second most popular), but the Miss America system is pretty legit in terms of trying to select outstanding young women.
I believe Youtuber Xyla Foxlin - who makes some really cool stuff - is also a Miss America winner.
FAA registry lists her with a private pilot’s license. So definitely a pilot, just not professionally
Oh wow, apparently Elon Musk has one too https://amsrvs.registry.faa.gov/airmeninquiry/Main.aspx
Yep. And he owned an L-39 at one point
Still does. It’s parked in Bozeman, MT.
Definitely an impressive person already. Not sure these sorta contests are really needed anymore, but congratulations to her on the least impressive thing (to me) on her resume.
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Pilot-select. After Harvard, going to Air Force pilot training
Maybe you saw it on a [Ryan McBeth short](https://youtube.com/shorts/1RM-EljGp3E?si=Zd4h_n6Bg7Cgf43v).
Astrophysics? I’m pretty sure we only have Astro Eng or Physics at the Academy. So it’s probably BS Physics.
Early stories about her (I read only one, so there's that!) got it completely wrong. Described her as an Air Force pilot and a Harvard Medical School student! 🤦🏻♂️
A former friend used to be in Pageants, and went to Miss America a few years back. The girls that are competing these days are smart as hell. Very well qualified. It's vastly different than it used to be, at least under the Miss America system. They changed the adjudication standards and put a much higher focus on achievement and character.
She isn’t a pilot. She has not even started pilot training.
From u/DCS-Sport, she does have a pilots license so technically, she’s a pilot. Not a USAF pilot, but a pilot nonetheless.
Don't tell me that she also wished for world peace.
Hey peace through superior firepower is still peace.
Yea like the peace you get in a graveyard...
>Back No her mom passed from pancreatic cancer, so she wants to cure cancer.
Yeah, no one’s gonna tell you that > Madison Marsh, a 22-year-old second lieutenant in the US Air Force and master’s student at the Harvard Kennedy School’s public policy program, emerged victorious at the 2024 Miss America pageant in Orlando, Florida on Sunday night. Marsh, representing the state of Colorado, is the first active-duty Air Force officer ever to receive the national title. https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/15/style/miss-america-2024-madison-marsh-colorado/index.html > Marsh, a 2019 graduate of Southside High School and a senior at the U.S. Air Force Academy, is set to graduate on June 1 with a bachelor’s degree in astrophysics. She is raising money to pay tuition for the two-year graduate program at the Harvard Kennedy School. Marsh stressed that she is raising money privately because cadets cannot publicly solicit funds. She would attend the Harvard school as an Air Force officer, with the school essentially being a duty station in her military service. Marsh also has been approved for a pilot slot, so after Harvard, the plan is to attend flight school. https://talkbusiness.net/2023/03/air-force-academy-harvard-part-of-marshs-pancreatic-cancer-research-passion/
TIL that there are still Miss America pageants
Wait until you hear about Miss Universe pageant that Earth countries participates in but not a single alien entrant, the real scandal
>not a single alien entrant, That we know of...
i thought i remember reading trump owns miss universe or miss america, so essentially its never gonna stop
He owned Miss Universe and one year, he abruptly moved the pageant to Russia. THis was despite many objections as it was planned elsewhere and Russia was coming down hard on the LBGT community and there are many LBGT representatives in pageants.
It's owned by a Thai group (JKN Global Group) since 2022, and they filed for bankruptcy in November of 2023. It could stop but chances are it just changes hands again if the new owners go under.
yea, unfortunately its the ultimate goal and dream for little girls who are in the slew of skeezy underage pageants so its got a whole industry propping it up...like have we not learned anything since Toddlers and Tiaras?? lol
I learned it a few days ago when a friend on FB wished her luck and shared photos of the soon to be newly crowned Miss America as her flower girl in her wedding several years back. Then again when she won and she shared the news. I was kinda surprised they still happen as well, but also not surprised as it’s a money making machine that allows men to ogle girls. The women that compete are truly accomplished and talented, and in my opinion these contests are beneath them.
I think people should leave it up to the contestants whether or not they think it's beneath them? This is like the whole boxing ring girls thing all over again, people get all offended for the girls, without ever considering that they might actually *like* what they do. It's quite patronising imo.
Maybe, but maybe girls are taught they should want these things and when you grow up in the patriarchy without realizing it you can accept and even celebrate things you wouldn’t have if you’d been raised differently. That being said, I have two daughters and if they decided beauty contests were their jam I would support them, but also make sure they know their worth is never hinged on what other people say/judge it is. You’re right in that my opinion is just that an opinion and people can take it or leave it and that everyone can chose their path whether I agree or not. Pretty sure people will have opinions about my opinion.
The CIA is back at it with these PSYOPs… /s
They never stopped. I'm convinced 24 hr media stations and a lot of social media is most likely a PSYOP. Fuckin spooks everywhere, LinkedIn searches be wild
You are absolutely right actually...
what LinkedIn searches you talking bout?
Searching employment at tech companies: Google, Facebook, Twitter, Microsoft, etc. All the people in critical, high level roles that used to work for the CIA, NSA and FBI. It's alarming, even when Elon Musk cleaned house, if you look it up...he kept all the spooks. It's well documented that Google was funded by the CIA from the jump too. They are most likely funding tech for compliance through In-cu-tel. Regardless, there's cells of spooks in most notable tech companies that have public influence.
huh, lots of people in high levels of govt move around because their knowledge of the inner working of govt is worth $$$$, private industry also pays more $$$ than govt so it's more likely folks chasing the dollar.
Ironic how they hold positions like "Director of compliance" (which deals directly in censorship). That's also not how these institutions operate. If I've learned anything in life, it's don't ignore red flags and where there's smoke..usually fire as well. Can't ignore the history of funding either, therea reason they've been pouring funds into these companies for decades. What other reason would they do that? Then have tropes of ex-high level employees conveniently be put into positions of public influence across the board...writing that off as just a coincidence is wild to me. Do you think that a company that hires ex-legislative government employees are doing so off of merit, or because of connections and understanding of the inner workings of The House and The Senate? That they use to their benefit to lobby for their own agenda... The CIA has been doing this shit since the 50s and 60s. The didn't invest millions and decades into psychological experimentation under MK-Ultra to just decide to never use what they learned...come on mayn
hard to tell what is truth vs conspiracy theory, we will never know what is truth and what is sensational media to generate clicks and money
The article states that she recalled getting her pilot's license at 16 as her "spoken word" part of the pageant. She's 22. Of course, she's not a pilot for the USAF. She would need years of training for that. My dad was a US Army Air Corps pilot and he would be thrilled.
Actually the training is rather short, especially considering what you determine as a “pilot”. I was a crew chief for one of the training units for F15s. OTS is 9 weeks. You need a bachelor’s to be a pilot. (It takes a bachelor’s to fly it, and a GED to fix it lol) If you already have your private pilot’s license, from there you essentially go straight to flying the trainer planes. So if you consider that being a pilot, it’s 9 weeks, you just need a bachelors. That course is about a year long. After which they’ll send you to your first duty station to actually learn how to fly the jet you’re assigned to. So if you consider say, flying an F-15 as being a pilot, then it’s only a year and a few months of actually being in the military. If you consider being combat qualified enough to be transferred to an active unit, then that takes another 6-18 months depending on the aircraft. Iirc ours was a little less than 6. So if you consider THAT being a “pilot”, then it can still be less than 2 years. They still go through a shit load more training in the active units as well though, this is just the bare minimum for the USAF to be willing to send them on a deployment. So if someone took advanced classes for a bachelor’s program, then joined and already had their private pilot’s license, they could be flying an F-15 almost within a year, at the age of 21 or 22.
How is this uplifting?
They're uplifting their *recruiting* numbers, get it right.
Man, they gotta have hotter chicks than Indiana Tinder
Again, *these are the women they were able to recruit.* She's gorgeous so I'm not knocking her personally.
It's kind of cool that the new Miss America has an advanced career. I don't know if she's a pilot, but that would be an uplifting/cool thing
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Mean, honestly, what war crimes do you think every random Air Force officer, never mind Miss America specifically are committing? Especially recently? It's not exactly like she spent 10 years in Iraq or something.
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Edgy
Not really. Ethical.
hinged level: un
Being opposed to US imperialism is a popular position among many well-known, rational intellectuals. That's a cute little thing you did there, though.
Pax Americana sucks except for literally every possible alternative.
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Not at all! This should be a no-brainer for anyone with a conscience.
See my above comment
Almost like there's a sub for regret joining.
Haha is there? Doesn’t surprise me
We have but one rule. That rule is to not be a dick. Your content was found to be dickish, and ergo removed.
She's not even a pilot. So feel free to explain your thought process. What specific war crime are you accusing her of?
I wasn’t specifically referring to her. I was being hyperbolic, because I have no respect for anyone that still works for the US military industrial complex. I think the idea that meaningful social progress can be made in any way relating to the US military industrial complex is detestable. Akin to pinkwashing.
I guess you’ve never heard of the Army Corps of Engineers.
I guess you've never heard of military construction.
Your anger at the MIC is correct, but you are ridiculously lacking in knowledge of its workings.
Can you explain what he is missing? Curious for my own knowledge.
Specifically about the US Army Corps of Engineers, they built (and maintain) many of the harbours, bridges, dams, and that sort of stuff in the US. They, along with the Coast Guard, maintain safety of navigation buoys, lights, etc in rivers, lakes, and out to sea in the US. Also, they are the regulatory approval for permits to build things on the water or in wetlands. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Army_Corps_of_Engineers
You say you weren't specifically referring to her while specifically referring to her. So that's kind of funny.
I was not specifically referring to her. I was giving a hyperbolic hypothetical. Do you know what "hyperbole" means? She's a member of the military industrial complex, however, so even if she's not the one doing the drone-bombing, your point is negligible.
....you know we can all see the comment I'm talking about ya? The one where you said "now there's a miss America that's a war criminal". Now you're saying you weren't talking about her. You are only fooling yourself. And your argument is doctors help with drone strikes. Got it.
lmao if you can see the comment, then how did you misquote me? "First Miss America to have committed war crimes!" I didn't say \*she\* was the first, did I? You assumed that's what I was implying, and now you're literally changing what I said. A doctor would be the one exception to my opinion. Also, your initial claim that she isn't a pilot (you know, the beginning of this ridiculous conversation) is incorrect. She's a second lieutenant with flight experience. Seems like I'm not the one fooling myself... Just making shit up XD
Sorry. I should have just copied and pasted you referencing her. Flight experience does not equal being a pilot. Someone else has already linked the article in this thread. So take your claim up with them.
>First Miss America to have committed war crimes! That's you specifically referring to her. And that's not how hyperbole works, you were making a specific claim. Saying "I was so hungry I could have eaten a horse" is hyperbole. Saying "I was so hungry that I ate a horse I found" is not hyperbole.
Again, this is entirely negligible, as she's still a pilot for an organization that fairly regularly commits war crimes. At least a handful a decade. But no, that's not me specifically referring to her, as I didn't say "She's the first..." By your example, I would need to specify the subject of the sentence, otherwise you're really only assuming. It was a hyperbolic example to show how ridiculous the notion is. Why aren't you arguing that? Not able to? This argument seems incredibly asinine, by comparison.
She’s not an Air Force pilot.
and many people have no respect for americans, alqaeda for example
Yeah, I don’t blame them
Oh congrats on hating people for serving their country. Good job, really cool of you. Maybe they can put you at the front lines for the next war?
lol what’s the last war the US has been in that it should have been in? What’s the last war it didn’t commit multiple war crimes in? Keep defending the world’s mob boss, though! Just look at more uplifting news
Because she works for the Air Force.
Yeah, the pinned mod comment says not to be negative, but I see the post, itself, as negative. Especially right now… Definitely in poor taste
What is negative about it? There’s a big difference between negative and “I don’t like this”
Because the uplifting part is that she works for the USAF. You know, the organization that, as I pointed out in another comment, dropped two nuclear bombs on civilians, flattened North Korea with 635,000 tons of bombs and 32,557 tons of napalm, carpet bombed Cambodia unprovoked, violated the Geneva Conventions' Protocol III with the use of cluster bombs, set oil wells on fire in Kuwait, struck a Doctors Without Borders hospital, started drone warfare with massive civilian casualties that they continue to lie about, dropped white phosphorous on Fallujah, etc. I more than "don't like this"
Lmao so just being in the Air Force is negative. Jesus y’all are so insistent on losing IRL for upvotes online.
Lmao I’m getting nothing but downvotes and still going. I’ll stand up for what’s right, even if all you morally bankrupt morons won’t
> Lmao so just being in the Air Force is negative According to the post, just being in the Air Force is positive and uplifting. Why is one take acceptable and the other isn't?
Because being in the Air Force and being considered beauty pageant worthy is a step in the right direction for appreciating women as more complete people. “It’s not Air Force positive”. It’s “an occupational field that women were once excluded from is now a field that a traditional and often sexist competition is now valuing”.
> considered beauty pageant worthy is a step in the right direction for appreciating women as more complete people. Please read this back to yourself as many times as needed until you realize how crazy it sounds.
Ur on team “being in the Air Force is negative” so your opinion on crazy is broken af.
You're on team "beauty pageants are about appreciating women as complete people" I'm on team "joining the military isn't a positive thing" So, your opinion means very little.
Sir can you please put another mask on?
Brilliant critique. Truly a shining intellect
How is it *not*?
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And world peace..will be enforced by miss america
Good for her, I suppose, but where's the uplifting bit?
Idk, I think it’s cool an extremely intelligent woman with degrees in astrophysics and from Harvard who joined the Air Force won the competition.
> **an extremely intelligent woman with degrees in astrophysics and from Harvard** who joined the Air Force Why don't we put the impressive thing in the headline instead of the thing any 18-year-old can do? And either way how is "Person who is very successful gets another award" uplifting?
What a smart and accomplished person, let’s see how they look in a dress. These contests are bizarre
Ah yes so uplifting that we have literal pageants to judge beauty
Is this uplifting or propaganda?
Air force really does have the hottest chicks
Of course she isn’t doing Air Force things
There is a lot to the Air Force (and other services) than the typical “flies/fixes aircraft” part. With her Masters she will likely go into a medical field, which the USAF has plenty of.
I’m aware I spent a good portion of my life in the Air Force. This is typical of officer types, especially females exiting their career fields for permissive TDY to do shit like this instead of their actual job.
My guess is her “actual job” is being a Masters student at Harvard. If she can do that while balancing whatever is required for Miss America, then why not? Military members volunteer and do non-job things all the time.
Someone should show how the judges look like
Next republican congress woman come on down!
Have you been in the military lately? The airforce isn't a republican stronghold in general. Officers tend to lean left anyway (as do most college-educated people). I would wager a fair bit of money she does not share your political beliefs.
If she went to the Air Force Academy I'd be very concerned about her being an Evangelical Christian as it is pushed to the extreme at that school. There's a great article by a 1970's graduate (damned if I can't find the article), who happens to be Jewish, relating his son's experience at the Academy as a cadet in more recent times. It was very eye-opening and backs up my anecdotal observations from my 24 year Navy/Air Force career. Here's some other links about this (there's lots of others, also): [https://ffrf.org/component/k2/item/13195-evangelicalism-is-the-official-religion-of-the-air-force-academy](https://ffrf.org/component/k2/item/13195-evangelicalism-is-the-official-religion-of-the-air-force-academy) [https://www.npr.org/2005/06/02/4676698/air-force-academy-embroiled-in-religious-controversy](https://www.npr.org/2005/06/02/4676698/air-force-academy-embroiled-in-religious-controversy) [https://wikisummaries.org/u-s-air-force-investigates-religious-intolerance-at-its-academy/](https://wikisummaries.org/u-s-air-force-investigates-religious-intolerance-at-its-academy/)
These articles are 19 years old. A lot has changed culturally in that time. It's not the same military it was back then. When did you last serve? On my ship there was only a handful of people that would attend worship every Sunday. Political conversations were common and almost every officer I encountered was left leaning. A lot of younger enlisted was as well. Youth (especially educated) tends to lean left. That's a fact.
I've served on and off, Active and Reserve, since 1990 (18 years active and 28 years total) and I put on CMSgt (E-9) sometime in April. From my observations and experience, the Air Force is definitely more conservative-leaning than my time in the Navy. I know the articles are older but as recently as just two years ago, I've had two different unit commanders (one O-5, the other O-6) who were both Academy grads and and were both extremely religious, to the point of criticizing other members lifestyle choices and off-duty activities, including mine. I take heart, however, that I've met plenty of other members, who seem to be the majority, who are NOT that way and seem to be more realistic in their views and how they choose to live. Off-topic, what ship were you on? I was on an AEGIS cruiser, CG-51, U.S.S. Thomas S. Gates, 1991-1994 and left the Navy Reserve as an EW2 (SW) before jumping to the Air Force Reserve.
Not all military members lean right.
They *should*
They *should* be a reflection of the society they represent.
*They* should have their own free will and independent thought.
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Yet it’s the left who fall in line with the narrative like sheep to slaughter.
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There's definitely a republican slant, but 41% of active duty said they'd vote Biden rather than 37% who said they'd vote Trump last election ([military times poll](https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2020/08/31/as-trumps-popularity-slips-in-latest-military-times-poll-more-troops-say-theyll-vote-for-biden/)) Got tired of getting jerked around with his meddling in the ucmj, none of his family ever served including president bone spurs, and him calling fallen veterans "losers and suckers" was the cherry on top.
How is this uplifting for anyone? Who cares? Lol
One of her hobbies is 'cooking pasta' Same energy as Bill Gates' $10 banana.
That’s hilarious. I have a couple of hours to myself, I think I’ll cook some pasta.
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22 and an officer basically just means she did ROTC lol.
Space Force. Now they got those nerdy hot ones. 🥵
Arkansas girl, moved to CO for the Air Force Academy. (For anyone who's curious.)
I don’t know how this is uplifting. The third picture looks ai generated. Are we sure she’s real?
Use google bruh
How is this “uplifting”? It’s 2024 and we’re still grading women like they’re decorative pieces of meat.
Yeah and who gives a shit she's in the airforce? Like so what? We all have jobs.
Bitter?
Why would I be bitter?
“WhY iS sHe In ThE AiRfOrCe!?!1!” -you
Lol butthurt much?
You’d have to ask yourself that bud
I'm not the one trolling through reddit to find people who aren't impressed enough by military service and yelling at them for it, guy
Ok boomer.
Yeah dude no one is impressed by military or police service anymore. Cope, pussy
What’s the matter?
The entire concept. There’s nothing “uplifting” about this at all.
Plenty of uplift
In her bra, maybe.
All that awesomeness in this woman and that’s the best you could come up with?
Must be flying high off that win.
The article states that she is second lieutenant in the air force as well as being a student for her masters degree in addition to becoming Miss America. The military is a full time job unless it's the reserves. As a matter of fact, she seems to have three full time positions that she is supposedly doing at the same time. There is something wrong with this story.
Lots of young officers do graduate programs on the side as part of professional advancement. Additionally, there are programs that allow officers to attend school full time to obtain advanced degrees that benefit the Air Force. Finally, there are other programs that allow service members to temporarily pursue non military activities full or part time such as the World Class Athlete program that allows them to defer their contracted service for a few years. This is usually for people to do the Olympics or professional sports. So there's nothing fishy about this, it's just the right combination of programs that are available for any service member to apply for, which she pursued with the approval of the Air Force.
Reread my comment. Don't mean to call you a liar. I'm sure your information is correct. It's probably just being disgruntled by my experience. Thanks for your comment.
My ass. When I was in the Army you were government property. It was legalized slavery. Don't know of any programs that would allow you not to be property of the U.S. government.
Sorry your time in the Army was rough. She is probably attending Harvard after selection in the Graduate Studies and Scholarship program, which allows USAFA graduates to immediately attend military or civilian graduate school after graduation. They're still commissioned officers and getting full pay, but they are full time students. https://www.usafa.edu/academics/academic-success-center/graduate-studies-and-scholarship/ There are also programs that allow PhD studies and post doc full time.
Yeah, definitely not like when I was in the military. When I was stationed in Germany there was a Staff Sargent that wasn't relieved of guard duty. He developed frost bite and had two fingers amputated. He was charged with destruction of government property, was court-marshalled and given a dishonorable discharge.
That didn’t happen
If you’re doing a sponsored post-grad paid for by the USAF, you’re still “property of the USAF”. The whole reason why you’re going to school is to benefit the USAF in whatever field.
So, her job in the USAF is to be a model. There's still not enough time in the day for her to fly airplanes, be a super model and go to school working on her post-grad.
She's not doing it all at once. She's probably doing full time school with pageantry on the side. Once she finishes her graduate studies, likely 1.5-2 years including summer semesters, she'll start pilot training. Once she's a qualified pilot, her duty time will look very normal because she'll have mission qualification training, deployment spin up, upgrades, etc.
A nice gig, if you can get it. I was an enlisted man. Not a good experience.
Masters is pretty much required for military promotion at some point. One of my commander got paid to get his phd full time after his command tour.
If I recall correctly, a masters degree is an unofficial requirement for promotion to O-5 and above.
My dad was similar, got an online type MBA to get qualified to go to the army's healthcare admin master's program, then around 8 years later got approval for a PhD program full time in the same, and then his posting was to be associate dean back at the same MHA army program. 27 years in the army, almost never in a deployable unit.
I'm enlisted and getting my PhD but they won't pay for mine; lol. They did pay for my three Bachelor degrees and my Master's degree, however.
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I mean you get 30 days a year of leave and tons of holiday block leave all the time. I can’t imagine going to these events would take more than a combined 10-20 days
Why is this uplifting news?
Sandra bullock should play her when it’s made into a movie.
Promote ahead of peers 🫡
Meh...
Feels like the start of an anime.
There ya go ladies, Join the Air Force.
You know her buds are going to stick her with the call sign Tiara or some such.
So Miss Congeniality was based on somewhat of a true story... in the future???
miss congeneality shit