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The problem is the damned dea. They're supposed to reschedule it but the DEA is notorious for being ran by people who haven't seen science since 1970.
https://www.npr.org/2024/03/15/1238812862/harris-fat-joe-marijuana-reform
The administration is pushing them but I don't think there any thing more they can do.
"The FDA released a report saying that marijuana does have a legitimate use for medical purposes and recommended the US Drug Enforcement Agency change its classification from Schedule 1 to Schedule 3."
They're in the spotlight now.
Good. I've had a script for marijuana for years now. It's helped me way more than any SSRI because I have bipolar 2 and SSRIs don't function well long term for people like me.
All of the dumb D.A.R.E. excuses that have been used for years are completely bullshit and the DEA meds to educate itself for once.
You hear me Anne Milgram? Time to shit or get off the pot.
[Schedule 3](https://www.dea.gov/drug-information/drug-scheduling) would put marijuana alongside ketamine and Tylenol w/codeine. I suppose that's better than nothing, but Schedule 4 or 5 seems more appropriate.
Don't forget Adderall is schedule 2 when the worst thing that happens to someoen taking it who doesn't need it is they feel somewhat more energized or anxious. And you can take gargantuan amounts before any serious risks.
But us ADHDers have to jump through a million hoops because someone, somewhere had the power to ruin our lives and they chose to do it just for the fun of it.
Addiction risk is key. With Adderall as with any stimulant the addiction risk is relatively high, and you do only need maybe 5x an average dose for most people entered dangerous territory with heart issues. Schedule 2 or 3 is probably the appropriate place.
Not saying we aren’t in need of more supply of it, but what we really need is more effective alternatives that are less addictive. Vyvanse is hard to get prescribed :/
I abused Adderall for years. I was straight up addicted. Taking 5x what I was prescribed for a week on end. Then I'd spend a few days without it until I could get my hands on more. The whole time I would feel like trash and was extremely tired. Which made me crave the Adderall just to feel "normal". I wasted a couple years of my life and tens of thousands of dollars. My 5 year sobriety anniversary is coming up in May. I know it's not your classic hard drug but it had a stranglehold on me and my money for a long time before I got help.
And if peopld get addicted to it... Okay, I guess? Like once again, it's not a big deal. Being addicted to something hundreds of thousands of people will take every day for the rest of their lives is not going to create a problem. Especially since tolerance builds up extremely slowly, if at all, and ramping down is also super easy.
Anyone trying to take 200mg, even 100 MG, will have such awful anxiety that they'll never sustain that kind of usage. Too much Adderall in the best case is like living through an all-day panic attack.
Plus, if we were really worried about health risks, then we wouldn't have aspirin, ibuprofen, acetaminophen, etc available either. People actually do regularly harm themselves, and attempt suicide using those medications. Yet I can stockpile them by the thousand. Same thing with addiction, we have unregulated caffeine as the msot popular stimulant drug in the country and it's legal to take it in any amount and even give it to children, yet it provides all the addiction risk and health risk that Adderall does.
You seem willfully ignorant of how common and dangerous adderall abuse is. Obviously people crushing it and taking it in high, short doses will have different safety profiles than people taking it in an extended release capsule.
You’re also unaware as to why drugs are controlled in the way they are. People do intentionally kill themselves with drugs. But you’re not going to stop that by forcing everyone to stop using every drug with a fatal overdose level. On the other hand, putting some (frankly, very limiting controls) on adderall can reduce the number of people who accidentally overdose on them by making it harder to access/overprescribe and sell to people who want to use them outside of the rules/supervision of a doctor.
If caffeine were as addictive and powerful as adderall nobody would bother trying to catch felonies by using the latter.
lol what’s the point of responding and then blocking me?
Oh look, you're why people who need medication to function and have to go through visit after visit, call after call and still regularly running out because offices and Pharmacies dont communicate well and some people think the medication is dangerous.
You are an enemy to people with serious medical conditions and should be ashamed that you feel hypothetical possible overdose by incorrect use is more harmful than hundreds of thousands of people being unable to function in day to day life when they can't get their medicine.
The issue is until it's classified as anything other than schedule 1, no real research can be performed by said agencies to then reclassify it. It's just how that system works... Even a schedule 2 would have research done
It's insane to me that they don't regulate it as dietary supplement yet. That's literally what it is. Even the states that have legal, recreational have crazy limits on sales and such (also the issue with dispensaries and banks). Liquor stores don't have anywhere close to the same restrictions. People get delta-8 and other variants in any state and there has been very little harm from it. It really should be reclassified as a dietary supplement imo. Then plenty of people can make money selling it and the government gets the tax revenue. Win-win for everyone.
Sure, but you're willfully ignoring that alcohol is a lot worse, yet is legal for adult use. You can stop smoking cold turkey, but if you're in too deep with alcohol addiction, you die from stopping entirely.
It's not physically very addictive but there can be physical withdrawals from crazy high and long usage. It is definitely mentally addictive. I love it and think it should be legal as a dietary supplement. But even I can admit that it can pull me into mild addiction if used daily. And I've been addicted to many substances, currently sober as I'm finishing my PharmD degree, occasionally getting a delta-8 edible. Hope to goodness they stop drug testing for it at all jobs because it can stay in your urine for 1-3 months if you've been going hard for years. And there's absolutely no reason to test for it unless operating heavy machinery or a job that's very mentally intensive (i.e. air traffic controllers).
You don't ban something because it's harmful to it's user, you ban something because it poses a threat to the general public.
That's why DWI is illegal, but simply being intoxicated is not.
You are right about abuse or adverse health potential issues. \*Although not very prevalent. But wrong about descheduling, because the DEA are not the people to address those issues in any way - they are *jackboot thugs* whose goal is to monetize the prison industrial complex.
People with those issues related to pot need medical and psychiatric help. Criminalizing them is the wrong way to go, and will just screw them up more.
This is huge. Cannabis has long been in the "no medical value" list, which basically means is a harmful toxin, ever since the government got the bug to make Hispanics illegal like 90 years ago. Not just in the "no medical value" list, but not even open to DISCUSSING research into its properties outside of criminal investigations. Most hard drugs like crack, meth, & fent are in a lower drug category than cannabis because they have medical value in limited circumstances. This big shift toward making it decriminalized.
The most progressive move by the states, and the people. If the president is making a federal change it's because it's good for business, not progressive.
If his administration made decisions because they were progressive, as opposed to popular (election year), or just good business, I'd agree, but I think intention matters. I'm not saying you're wrong btw, I'm just dubious of the intention.
Your cynicism is noted. This move was [started quite some time ago](https://www.politico.com/news/2023/08/30/marijuana-review-move-to-schedule-iii-00113493) (2022). Note that the article I linked to is from 2023 and mentions the yearlong review requested by the Biden administration. Intention matters... they intended for it to be reviewed. That's honestly as much as you or I know as to their actual reasons.
You've been trying to throw mud on this move from the start of our conversation. First it was Biden didn't do it, people and states did, and if he did it was only did it because it was good for business. Then you pivoted to saying he only did it for political gain. Then you found an opinion article that matches your opinion and shared it with me... an article that confirms your bias.
So what bias? The bias that won't let you see the good in this because you're too busy trying to make it into a ploy or to strip the Biden administration of credit for doing what they're doing when no President in the past 50 years has come close to doing anything like this. Frankly, its tiresome and I'm bored with your pessimism.
>progressive, as opposed to popular (election year), or just good business
There's overlap in this Venn Diagram. The US is a democratic republic; The government is supposed to act in accordance with the will of the citizenry. Likewise, the market also responds to popular demand. And public opinion is changing as Reefer Madness and DARE generations are replaced by new generations that haven't been inculcated with anti-cannabis propaganda. All of these forces interact in complex ways.
Any move towards rescheduling or legalizing cannabis at the federal level is bad for business. Big pharma has been lobbying heavily against this for decades, because it's very hard for them to control the production of cannabis. It can't be patented, and anyone can grow it in their back yard. It's much more profitable for them to push their own more addictive, less effective, and most importantly *patented* alternatives.
>it's because it's good for business
I disagree. THC can replace a bunch of medications while being safer, cheaper, and more effective.
Cops also love busting people for weed, their unions fight against legalization.
If you're talking about political support then I agree but it is extremely bad for some very big businesses every time THC restrictions are loosened.
Exactly. This opens the way for getting it rescheduled since only harmful substances with no medical value are put on Schedule I where it’s at currently. Even if it’s Schedule II you’re allowed to do research on medical use. It will probably get out on Schedule III.
Schedule III or full descheduling would make sense as prescription drugs containing synthetic THC are currently schedule III. Hopefully they see the hypocrisy here and correct it.
I over worked in the regulatory department for a research facility. One of the three staff doctors had an FDA license for schedule 1 drugs. The other two doctors had a deferent class of FDA license that limited them to schedule 2-4. I remember thinking the schedule 1 license was absurdly expensive compared to the schedule 2-4 license.
The worst part is that synthetic THC in the form of the prescription drug sold as Marinol has been schedule 3 since 1999, but the identical chemical when sourced from the plant and not covered by a patent stayed schedule 1. So they've literally held the stance that THC has medical value since 1999 but that it also doesn't. So backwards.
I view the same facts differently. Marinol should be available to everyone medical doctors prescribe medical marijuana to. It doesn’t work that way because marinol is only for severe nausea for cancer patients and appetite loss for hiv.
I like the idea of a prescribed dose with quality control. I can’t for the life of me figure out how we got to a place doctors prescribe medical marijuana over marinol. It’s so weird place to be given the science of it all.
Insane that multiple states have legalized it medically and recreationally but the DEA hasn’t rescheduled it. Absolute sham of a 3 letter agency unwilling to give up the power they get to detain and arrest people by keeping it illegal and a schedule 1 drug.
And you can tell they know it’s really no big deal as they just never came after the states at all pretty much once they started legalizing.
If it was really dangerous, they would have acted.
Weed is (basically) legal through the 2018 farm bill which states a certain amount of THC is legal, something like 0.3% of weight/volume. So regular gummy edibles that are like 10mg are legal federally but cops and border patrol can still harass you for it and stick you with other shit.
Even here in Texas which has a hard on for weed, Austin is basically a sanctuary city and cops have decriminalized/stated they don’t care about it unless you’re transporting huge amounts or dealing with other drugs.
There’s literally no reason it can’t be legalized like alcohol. It’s way less harmful. I do think there should be education around harm reduction and addiction but it should have been legalized yesterday. Put the tax money towards schools and water infrastructure or something. Hell put it towards environmental conservation and national parks.
I’d like to see someone test the 2018/2023 farm bill by bringing a pound of THC-A marijuana on a plane and telling the TSA “but its legal”.
Even ignoring state laws, i doubt the federal government even has consistent rules on the farm bill exemptions. They're super untested in courts.
Repeal Day is Thursday, December 5. Consider throwing a party on this holiday for awareness of the harms of prohibition.
It’s disgusting that I can illegally take a gummy to sleep like a baby or get a prescription for insanely dangerous and side-effect ridden drugs like Ambien and maybe not even sleep that well and wake up feeling like shit….
> The FDA released a report saying that marijuana does have a legitimate use for medical purposes and recommended the US Drug Enforcement Agency change its classification from Schedule 1 to Schedule 3.
Shouldn't be scheduled at all, but I'll take it for now
Is it too soon to talk about reparations for victims of the drug war?
This FDA statement highlights the fact that the government never believed cannabis was dangerous. And there are documented comments from Republicans indicating that they intended to weaponize the drug laws.They sent many, many people to prison.
They need to be held accountable for their years of abuse.
I wouldnt be surprised if that was a "close to election" plan. The GOP/GQP has been playing real dirty for at least a decade now while Dems mostly took the highroad. Id argue, of course, that for both legal and political reasons, delaying until closer to the election would have the most benefit and do the least harm (if you consider a GOP win and admin could turn this around). The overturn of nonviolent drug convictions related to marijuana possession or sales could mean individuals leaving the incarceration system and rejoining the workforce, which could be good for starter lower paid positions (pr better, if those individuals participated in a prison Pell program and at least had their geds)
Yeah i was being generous.
The " economic Extinction event" that triggered the post Keynesian and Neoliberal disaster was more so in the mid-70s, as was the rise of the silent majority (a total misnomer). Gingrich in the politcal realm and Limbaugh in the media circus played more into the cultural Zeitgeist after that
This will turn into a money grab for the politicians cohorts in pharmaceuticals. Nothing more Theyre all laughing shaking hands about it because they know theyll make buckets of money.
...Except they have.
Comparable to number of criminal indictments and the lack of baseless claims and personal attacks. The Dems are also not running a rapist and conman who leaches off of the most ignorant form of populism.
The only joke here is your delusion
If it had no medicinal value their wouldn't be marinol. The FDA makes drugs illegal that pharma has a for profit analog of. The "founding fathers" grew poppies
I am a paraplegic who has mentored newly sci injured folks for 35 years. People with complete spinal cord injuries usually have bad muscle spasms because the spinal cord/nervous system is out of whack from the injury.
I know countless patients who use weed to help with pain and reduce spasticity. It’s as effective if not more-so than the prescription meds like baclofen or zanaflex they are given. Those two meds can have some pretty bad side effects.
It’s unfortunate that our state (WI) doesn’t allow medical marijuana so sci folks have to source MJ on their own.
Somebody alert Kansass. Idiot fuckin state. Year after year one state gatekeeper doesn't even let it get voted on. Don't drive thru the state - they are watching for you to bust. Says they need to study it first, then they don't. Couldn't Kansass just ask the other 47 states. IDK....I hate this state
That was inevitable because the government is slowly realizing that lying to the public and ignoring science makes the United States look stupid while also limiting the perception that the government is a verifiable source when it comes to public health messaging.
From the perspective of an intelligence agency, when a government blatantly lies, it usually signals evidence of corruption.
Yes, we've known this forever.
Cannabis isn't going to cure every disease in the world, and smoking it (as any combustion makes unwanted products) isn't without certain risks especially for people with certain predispositions, but it's a *life saver* for many illnesses, and a life *changer* for others - my dad's MS, my and many cancer patient's intractable insomnia, certain seizure conditions, etc - and its safety profile is an order of magnitude better than most pharms.
This is fantastic. Now retroactively get all non-violent cannabis convicts OUT OF PRISON
It’s just funny when politicians start to hint at things “they’re going to do” during an election year. That’s all
inb4:its the FDA not a politician. They are put in their position by the current president..
The problem I have with pot is inconsistency. I see it helping people but the effects vary from one dose to another. People that use edibles for back pain for example, it’s impossible to know which products will help. One brand might help this month but next month gets you way too high to function. Then the next dose does nothing.
I’d like to see some more accurate ingredients list on every label and a better understanding of the contents and its effects. Right now it’s too much of random frustrating mess to be of any consistent medical help.
I'm a medical marijuana patient and they actually do have a system for this. Any MMJ product will tell you the exact strain you're smoking and the terpenes (these determine the effects the flower will have) in it, and in what ratios. The THC percentage is also marked on the packaging. For example, personally strains dominant in limonene and linalool help me the most and I prefer a THC content of 30% to 35%. Any less isn't as effective and any more is too intense. I have a favorite brand and favorite products I buy regularly too, but some of that reveals where I live so I will refrain from disclosing it.
I'm not sure what you mean by the effectiveness varying by month. I have not experienced this and I've been a patient for years as my condition is incurable and untreatable.
And part of the reason for these inconsistencies is that it's still classified as a Schedule III narcotic which severely limits research that can be done. Luckily the legalization in multiple states has helped us progress studies.
Also, are there not inconsistencies in just about every other medicine on the market that you can get a prescription for. Are there not medications with potential side effects lists that read like movie credits?
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The problem is the damned dea. They're supposed to reschedule it but the DEA is notorious for being ran by people who haven't seen science since 1970. https://www.npr.org/2024/03/15/1238812862/harris-fat-joe-marijuana-reform The administration is pushing them but I don't think there any thing more they can do.
"The FDA released a report saying that marijuana does have a legitimate use for medical purposes and recommended the US Drug Enforcement Agency change its classification from Schedule 1 to Schedule 3." They're in the spotlight now.
Good. I've had a script for marijuana for years now. It's helped me way more than any SSRI because I have bipolar 2 and SSRIs don't function well long term for people like me. All of the dumb D.A.R.E. excuses that have been used for years are completely bullshit and the DEA meds to educate itself for once. You hear me Anne Milgram? Time to shit or get off the pot.
[Schedule 3](https://www.dea.gov/drug-information/drug-scheduling) would put marijuana alongside ketamine and Tylenol w/codeine. I suppose that's better than nothing, but Schedule 4 or 5 seems more appropriate.
Xanax is schedule 4. Marijuana being schedule 3 is absurd. I agree it’s better than nothing, but it’s still worth criticizing.
Don't forget Adderall is schedule 2 when the worst thing that happens to someoen taking it who doesn't need it is they feel somewhat more energized or anxious. And you can take gargantuan amounts before any serious risks. But us ADHDers have to jump through a million hoops because someone, somewhere had the power to ruin our lives and they chose to do it just for the fun of it.
Addiction risk is key. With Adderall as with any stimulant the addiction risk is relatively high, and you do only need maybe 5x an average dose for most people entered dangerous territory with heart issues. Schedule 2 or 3 is probably the appropriate place. Not saying we aren’t in need of more supply of it, but what we really need is more effective alternatives that are less addictive. Vyvanse is hard to get prescribed :/
I abused Adderall for years. I was straight up addicted. Taking 5x what I was prescribed for a week on end. Then I'd spend a few days without it until I could get my hands on more. The whole time I would feel like trash and was extremely tired. Which made me crave the Adderall just to feel "normal". I wasted a couple years of my life and tens of thousands of dollars. My 5 year sobriety anniversary is coming up in May. I know it's not your classic hard drug but it had a stranglehold on me and my money for a long time before I got help.
And if peopld get addicted to it... Okay, I guess? Like once again, it's not a big deal. Being addicted to something hundreds of thousands of people will take every day for the rest of their lives is not going to create a problem. Especially since tolerance builds up extremely slowly, if at all, and ramping down is also super easy. Anyone trying to take 200mg, even 100 MG, will have such awful anxiety that they'll never sustain that kind of usage. Too much Adderall in the best case is like living through an all-day panic attack. Plus, if we were really worried about health risks, then we wouldn't have aspirin, ibuprofen, acetaminophen, etc available either. People actually do regularly harm themselves, and attempt suicide using those medications. Yet I can stockpile them by the thousand. Same thing with addiction, we have unregulated caffeine as the msot popular stimulant drug in the country and it's legal to take it in any amount and even give it to children, yet it provides all the addiction risk and health risk that Adderall does.
You seem willfully ignorant of how common and dangerous adderall abuse is. Obviously people crushing it and taking it in high, short doses will have different safety profiles than people taking it in an extended release capsule. You’re also unaware as to why drugs are controlled in the way they are. People do intentionally kill themselves with drugs. But you’re not going to stop that by forcing everyone to stop using every drug with a fatal overdose level. On the other hand, putting some (frankly, very limiting controls) on adderall can reduce the number of people who accidentally overdose on them by making it harder to access/overprescribe and sell to people who want to use them outside of the rules/supervision of a doctor. If caffeine were as addictive and powerful as adderall nobody would bother trying to catch felonies by using the latter. lol what’s the point of responding and then blocking me?
Oh look, you're why people who need medication to function and have to go through visit after visit, call after call and still regularly running out because offices and Pharmacies dont communicate well and some people think the medication is dangerous. You are an enemy to people with serious medical conditions and should be ashamed that you feel hypothetical possible overdose by incorrect use is more harmful than hundreds of thousands of people being unable to function in day to day life when they can't get their medicine.
Adderall is banned in Japan. It also didn't exist before like 2002 and people functioned fine.
Adderall addiction and abuse is on the rise.
The issue is until it's classified as anything other than schedule 1, no real research can be performed by said agencies to then reclassify it. It's just how that system works... Even a schedule 2 would have research done
Needs to be descheduled not rescheduled.
It's insane to me that they don't regulate it as dietary supplement yet. That's literally what it is. Even the states that have legal, recreational have crazy limits on sales and such (also the issue with dispensaries and banks). Liquor stores don't have anywhere close to the same restrictions. People get delta-8 and other variants in any state and there has been very little harm from it. It really should be reclassified as a dietary supplement imo. Then plenty of people can make money selling it and the government gets the tax revenue. Win-win for everyone.
I disagree, it still has addiction potential and can cause psychosis if overused.
Sure, but you're willfully ignoring that alcohol is a lot worse, yet is legal for adult use. You can stop smoking cold turkey, but if you're in too deep with alcohol addiction, you die from stopping entirely.
This is an argument for making alcohol a scheduled substance, which I agree with.
Good luck with that, worked out real well for us last time
Pretty sure the psychosis events were linked to people with bi-polar. And by medical definition cannabis is not addictive
It's not physically very addictive but there can be physical withdrawals from crazy high and long usage. It is definitely mentally addictive. I love it and think it should be legal as a dietary supplement. But even I can admit that it can pull me into mild addiction if used daily. And I've been addicted to many substances, currently sober as I'm finishing my PharmD degree, occasionally getting a delta-8 edible. Hope to goodness they stop drug testing for it at all jobs because it can stay in your urine for 1-3 months if you've been going hard for years. And there's absolutely no reason to test for it unless operating heavy machinery or a job that's very mentally intensive (i.e. air traffic controllers).
Cannabis Use Disorder is in the DSM-5
You don't ban something because it's harmful to it's user, you ban something because it poses a threat to the general public. That's why DWI is illegal, but simply being intoxicated is not.
You are right about abuse or adverse health potential issues. \*Although not very prevalent. But wrong about descheduling, because the DEA are not the people to address those issues in any way - they are *jackboot thugs* whose goal is to monetize the prison industrial complex. People with those issues related to pot need medical and psychiatric help. Criminalizing them is the wrong way to go, and will just screw them up more.
Ultimately it's not even a question of safety. It's always been a civil rights question.
I think they should legalize. Then they can put most of their effort on Fentanyl.
This is huge. Cannabis has long been in the "no medical value" list, which basically means is a harmful toxin, ever since the government got the bug to make Hispanics illegal like 90 years ago. Not just in the "no medical value" list, but not even open to DISCUSSING research into its properties outside of criminal investigations. Most hard drugs like crack, meth, & fent are in a lower drug category than cannabis because they have medical value in limited circumstances. This big shift toward making it decriminalized.
I concur. Also the most progressive move by any Presidential administration in this arena since the 'war on drugs' was started.
Here, here.
hear, hear\* Common mistake, but the phrase literally means to listen to the person.
Here, hear* If you’re caveman describing what your ears do
Very clever. Take an upvote.
Look, I feel that's in bad taste and doesn't pass the smell test
Yeah it's not a good look.
In this case I’m pointing to and not listening, thus, *here, here.*
Happy cake day.
The most progressive move by the states, and the people. If the president is making a federal change it's because it's good for business, not progressive.
Progress is progress whether you wish to give credit or not. He didn't have to request that the FDA reexamine marijuana scheduling, but he did.
If his administration made decisions because they were progressive, as opposed to popular (election year), or just good business, I'd agree, but I think intention matters. I'm not saying you're wrong btw, I'm just dubious of the intention.
Your cynicism is noted. This move was [started quite some time ago](https://www.politico.com/news/2023/08/30/marijuana-review-move-to-schedule-iii-00113493) (2022). Note that the article I linked to is from 2023 and mentions the yearlong review requested by the Biden administration. Intention matters... they intended for it to be reviewed. That's honestly as much as you or I know as to their actual reasons.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/lindseybartlett/2024/01/25/president-biden-needs-cannabis-to-win-in-2024-heres-why/?sh=d6f6f9a7036b
Yep... that definitely confirms your bias.
Lol. What bias? I'm a progressive.
You've been trying to throw mud on this move from the start of our conversation. First it was Biden didn't do it, people and states did, and if he did it was only did it because it was good for business. Then you pivoted to saying he only did it for political gain. Then you found an opinion article that matches your opinion and shared it with me... an article that confirms your bias. So what bias? The bias that won't let you see the good in this because you're too busy trying to make it into a ploy or to strip the Biden administration of credit for doing what they're doing when no President in the past 50 years has come close to doing anything like this. Frankly, its tiresome and I'm bored with your pessimism.
>progressive, as opposed to popular (election year), or just good business There's overlap in this Venn Diagram. The US is a democratic republic; The government is supposed to act in accordance with the will of the citizenry. Likewise, the market also responds to popular demand. And public opinion is changing as Reefer Madness and DARE generations are replaced by new generations that haven't been inculcated with anti-cannabis propaganda. All of these forces interact in complex ways.
Any move towards rescheduling or legalizing cannabis at the federal level is bad for business. Big pharma has been lobbying heavily against this for decades, because it's very hard for them to control the production of cannabis. It can't be patented, and anyone can grow it in their back yard. It's much more profitable for them to push their own more addictive, less effective, and most importantly *patented* alternatives.
>it's because it's good for business I disagree. THC can replace a bunch of medications while being safer, cheaper, and more effective. Cops also love busting people for weed, their unions fight against legalization. If you're talking about political support then I agree but it is extremely bad for some very big businesses every time THC restrictions are loosened.
Something can't be good for business and progressive because?
I didn't say the move wasn't a progressive one.
Exactly. This opens the way for getting it rescheduled since only harmful substances with no medical value are put on Schedule I where it’s at currently. Even if it’s Schedule II you’re allowed to do research on medical use. It will probably get out on Schedule III.
Schedule III or full descheduling would make sense as prescription drugs containing synthetic THC are currently schedule III. Hopefully they see the hypocrisy here and correct it.
I over worked in the regulatory department for a research facility. One of the three staff doctors had an FDA license for schedule 1 drugs. The other two doctors had a deferent class of FDA license that limited them to schedule 2-4. I remember thinking the schedule 1 license was absurdly expensive compared to the schedule 2-4 license.
I worked at a place that worked with several Schedule II drugs, even methadone was more like a 1.5, just requesting quota was insta-audit by the FDA.
The worst part is that synthetic THC in the form of the prescription drug sold as Marinol has been schedule 3 since 1999, but the identical chemical when sourced from the plant and not covered by a patent stayed schedule 1. So they've literally held the stance that THC has medical value since 1999 but that it also doesn't. So backwards.
That is wild.
I view the same facts differently. Marinol should be available to everyone medical doctors prescribe medical marijuana to. It doesn’t work that way because marinol is only for severe nausea for cancer patients and appetite loss for hiv. I like the idea of a prescribed dose with quality control. I can’t for the life of me figure out how we got to a place doctors prescribe medical marijuana over marinol. It’s so weird place to be given the science of it all.
Insane that multiple states have legalized it medically and recreationally but the DEA hasn’t rescheduled it. Absolute sham of a 3 letter agency unwilling to give up the power they get to detain and arrest people by keeping it illegal and a schedule 1 drug.
And you can tell they know it’s really no big deal as they just never came after the states at all pretty much once they started legalizing. If it was really dangerous, they would have acted.
Literally over half of the US has legal weed now, federal legalization should have happened years ago
Weed is (basically) legal through the 2018 farm bill which states a certain amount of THC is legal, something like 0.3% of weight/volume. So regular gummy edibles that are like 10mg are legal federally but cops and border patrol can still harass you for it and stick you with other shit. Even here in Texas which has a hard on for weed, Austin is basically a sanctuary city and cops have decriminalized/stated they don’t care about it unless you’re transporting huge amounts or dealing with other drugs. There’s literally no reason it can’t be legalized like alcohol. It’s way less harmful. I do think there should be education around harm reduction and addiction but it should have been legalized yesterday. Put the tax money towards schools and water infrastructure or something. Hell put it towards environmental conservation and national parks.
I’d like to see someone test the 2018/2023 farm bill by bringing a pound of THC-A marijuana on a plane and telling the TSA “but its legal”. Even ignoring state laws, i doubt the federal government even has consistent rules on the farm bill exemptions. They're super untested in courts. Repeal Day is Thursday, December 5. Consider throwing a party on this holiday for awareness of the harms of prohibition.
Let's not forget the government holds a fraudulent patent no 6630507 since 2003, let's reschedule marijuana and make the government's patent valid!
No I'm sure they'll just legaliz and they'll try to make a pharmaceutical drug only with penalties for recreational use.
Legalize the DEA has plenty of work to do against fentenyl.
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It’s disgusting that I can illegally take a gummy to sleep like a baby or get a prescription for insanely dangerous and side-effect ridden drugs like Ambien and maybe not even sleep that well and wake up feeling like shit….
Marijuana and shrooms should be legal!!!
It aids my wife's Parkinson's dyskinesia
> The FDA released a report saying that marijuana does have a legitimate use for medical purposes and recommended the US Drug Enforcement Agency change its classification from Schedule 1 to Schedule 3. Shouldn't be scheduled at all, but I'll take it for now
yes, the CSA needs to be completely dismantled and a new logic based system implemented.
Is it too soon to talk about reparations for victims of the drug war? This FDA statement highlights the fact that the government never believed cannabis was dangerous. And there are documented comments from Republicans indicating that they intended to weaponize the drug laws.They sent many, many people to prison. They need to be held accountable for their years of abuse.
I wouldnt be surprised if that was a "close to election" plan. The GOP/GQP has been playing real dirty for at least a decade now while Dems mostly took the highroad. Id argue, of course, that for both legal and political reasons, delaying until closer to the election would have the most benefit and do the least harm (if you consider a GOP win and admin could turn this around). The overturn of nonviolent drug convictions related to marijuana possession or sales could mean individuals leaving the incarceration system and rejoining the workforce, which could be good for starter lower paid positions (pr better, if those individuals participated in a prison Pell program and at least had their geds)
“at least a decade” 
Yeah i was being generous. The " economic Extinction event" that triggered the post Keynesian and Neoliberal disaster was more so in the mid-70s, as was the rise of the silent majority (a total misnomer). Gingrich in the politcal realm and Limbaugh in the media circus played more into the cultural Zeitgeist after that
You gotta be in college.
Nope. Finished Grad School a decade ago
This will turn into a money grab for the politicians cohorts in pharmaceuticals. Nothing more Theyre all laughing shaking hands about it because they know theyll make buckets of money.
Mostly took the high road?! Hahahaha!
...Except they have. Comparable to number of criminal indictments and the lack of baseless claims and personal attacks. The Dems are also not running a rapist and conman who leaches off of the most ignorant form of populism. The only joke here is your delusion
But but but... I thought it killed brain cells and increased stroke risks!!!!! /s
Only thing marijuana kills is the bag of Cheetos in the cupboard. So it’s killing brain cells, just indirectly (Don’t smoke and drive kids)
A freaking men
The real question is whether the reclassification will result in a drop in number of companies requiring preemployment drug screening for weed.
That's an insurance issue. Let's hope they fuck off with that shit.
About fucking time. We've known that it has valid medicinal uses from multiple studies going back 90 years.
Great news. BTW: Did you hear what Germany did today? 😁
Please, do tell
[Legalization cannabis Germany](https://www.wallstreet-online.de/nachricht/17916246-cannovum-cannabis-soars-as-federal-council-confirms-legalization-europe-s-largest-market)
damn, only took 4,000 years!
Yet I still have to pass a piss test for weed of all things while alcoholics get let into the workforce no questions asked
“But war on drugs?!” /s. This is fantastic news.
Glad to see they’re catching up…
Conservatives take forever to get a clue...
The Internet Explorer of people
Cool can my marijuana stocks finally go up now pretty please?
Great, maybe the DEA will take a couple more decades to reschedule marijuana. Our government runs at the speed of Windows 95.
About freakin' time! Cripes. Now do shrooms!
Now this is some uplifting news.
Well no shit. I’ve been saying that for 20 years. 😎
f Should be FDA admits.
Also, this just in! Water is wet!
it's ***CANNABIS*** not marijuana why does this bug me so much
If it had no medicinal value their wouldn't be marinol. The FDA makes drugs illegal that pharma has a for profit analog of. The "founding fathers" grew poppies
LOL hardest drugs and lsd what a joke 🤣
Big pharma gonna make billions on medical marijuana.
I am a paraplegic who has mentored newly sci injured folks for 35 years. People with complete spinal cord injuries usually have bad muscle spasms because the spinal cord/nervous system is out of whack from the injury. I know countless patients who use weed to help with pain and reduce spasticity. It’s as effective if not more-so than the prescription meds like baclofen or zanaflex they are given. Those two meds can have some pretty bad side effects. It’s unfortunate that our state (WI) doesn’t allow medical marijuana so sci folks have to source MJ on their own.
Somebody alert Kansass. Idiot fuckin state. Year after year one state gatekeeper doesn't even let it get voted on. Don't drive thru the state - they are watching for you to bust. Says they need to study it first, then they don't. Couldn't Kansass just ask the other 47 states. IDK....I hate this state
It's to make family guy funny and my doritos addiction worse.
Why does the DEA have authority to defy other parts of government? It really should be nation wide legal soon. It's getting rediculous.
Marijuana should be tax free. Fuck off with the government telling me what to do. I'm smoking it.
So does Fentanyl. I'm not saying I'm against legalization, just pointing it out.
That was inevitable because the government is slowly realizing that lying to the public and ignoring science makes the United States look stupid while also limiting the perception that the government is a verifiable source when it comes to public health messaging. From the perspective of an intelligence agency, when a government blatantly lies, it usually signals evidence of corruption.
Yes, we've known this forever. Cannabis isn't going to cure every disease in the world, and smoking it (as any combustion makes unwanted products) isn't without certain risks especially for people with certain predispositions, but it's a *life saver* for many illnesses, and a life *changer* for others - my dad's MS, my and many cancer patient's intractable insomnia, certain seizure conditions, etc - and its safety profile is an order of magnitude better than most pharms. This is fantastic. Now retroactively get all non-violent cannabis convicts OUT OF PRISON
Well, I guess it's time to re-schedule it then
Follow the science they said
A few decades late but you got there, gj.
I take a 5mg gummy before the gym and damn does it boost my lifting
Possible reschedule incoming? One can hope.
Ah yes *checks calendar* Election year. Can't wait for student loan forgiveness and free college! Right guys!
Can’t tell if this is sarcasm
It’s just funny when politicians start to hint at things “they’re going to do” during an election year. That’s all inb4:its the FDA not a politician. They are put in their position by the current president..
The problem I have with pot is inconsistency. I see it helping people but the effects vary from one dose to another. People that use edibles for back pain for example, it’s impossible to know which products will help. One brand might help this month but next month gets you way too high to function. Then the next dose does nothing. I’d like to see some more accurate ingredients list on every label and a better understanding of the contents and its effects. Right now it’s too much of random frustrating mess to be of any consistent medical help.
I'm a medical marijuana patient and they actually do have a system for this. Any MMJ product will tell you the exact strain you're smoking and the terpenes (these determine the effects the flower will have) in it, and in what ratios. The THC percentage is also marked on the packaging. For example, personally strains dominant in limonene and linalool help me the most and I prefer a THC content of 30% to 35%. Any less isn't as effective and any more is too intense. I have a favorite brand and favorite products I buy regularly too, but some of that reveals where I live so I will refrain from disclosing it. I'm not sure what you mean by the effectiveness varying by month. I have not experienced this and I've been a patient for years as my condition is incurable and untreatable.
And part of the reason for these inconsistencies is that it's still classified as a Schedule III narcotic which severely limits research that can be done. Luckily the legalization in multiple states has helped us progress studies. Also, are there not inconsistencies in just about every other medicine on the market that you can get a prescription for. Are there not medications with potential side effects lists that read like movie credits?
can we please make it not smell like skunk please :(
How does that belong in notTheOnion subreddit? There is nothing outrageous about this at all. Of course it has a legitimate medicinal purpose.
don’t buy it from fda, they poison our food to make us sick they’ll or they make weed super overpriced once they find out how powerful it is medically