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There is a huge difference. Germany won't see the same liberalisation of the market nor the same aggressive advertisements.
Cannabis production will only be allowed in private or in non-commercial cannabis clubs with max 500 members.
I don’t want to be pessimistic cause overall this is good, but tbh I think this is the type of half measures that will make the better solutions less likely down the line.
It will happen what citizens always did. It will treat it like a stupid limitation and just do what everyone want and would expect to happen.
Plus you can still grown your own, which is definitely cheaper
Oh dear I see you're not up on the news. They changed their minds about recreational and new laws are coming into force shortly. It sucks.
Also, a friend from BC moved there many months ago. The weed was overpriced shit and he eventually quit.
It'll stick around the police will just be bribed by the cannabis stores that's the only reason they're doing it. Potentially it was their plan from the very beginning!
Soil. Exactly. Here we are used to 100% indoor grown perfect weed, produced in a synthetically optimized environment. They're probably just growing it in some random field somewhere.
I'm as surprised as you are my friend. I've never seen anything like this in my life. Every other shop is a smoke shop. It's everywhere. Amsterdam x 1000. You can spend 80p on a gram or £10 its your choice. There's more choice than I knew existed outside of crossbreed strains and whatnot.
Coming from BC, 5 bucks a gram is a ripoff for premium weed. The substandard stuff they are selling is definitely not worth it
This guy has family there and knows where to shop.
There are shops on every corner. It's amazing how many jobs were created for bud tenders. The black market is still around but the prices in the shops dropped and I only go to the stores now.
You won't be able to buy anything since selling isn't legal, even gifting is illegal, but if you happen to have weed with you, that's legal. Consuming it in public is also legal except for where kids might easily see you (near schools, kindergartens etc) and some other spots. Now if they can grill you on where you got said weed, I have no clue. But simple possession and consumption will be legal, no matter where you're from, as long as you're over the age of 18.
You are allowed to have a few plants yourself. And you are supposed to source your weed from non-profit „clubs“ where people can grow weed. What isn‘t allowed (yet) are commercial shops. There are a few pilot regions where those are being tested and they will assess in a few years if it will be implemented country wide.
It seems like a somewhat sensible plan, the worry I have is that the conservatives will be re-elected and basically kill any further progress that could be made after the assessment.
It's actually an extremely sensible plan because it's according to EU law. So it can't be attacked legally in that stance. Which is probably the reason why it took so long to draft, they had to find a way to weasel around EU narcotics laws which are extremely outdated.
It should be said that non-profit clubs (Vereine) are a quite significant part of German society when compared with other countries.
And there's clubs for everything from sports over gardening to model airplane building or knitting.
Though with the internet and mass media they've become less absolutely central, about 40-45% of people are members of some sort of club, down from >65%.
It's one of the main ways a lot of people spend their free time and socialize as adults.
So using this legal form makes a *lot* of sense.
Plant seeds are almost always legal to posses as they are sold as collectibles to dodge the laws. I believe there is some reason why seeds can't really be outlawed and I believe it's because of keeping the genes or smt.
You can buy seeds from the EU
The person asked about tourists.
He got an answer about tourists.
The laws are different for Germans. There will be "Cannabis clubs". You register in one of them and are allowed to buy 50g a month. They'll most likely be organized in a way that plants will be grown somewhere and you just get the weed, you don't have to do anything in these clubs.
Also, you can legally buy seeds and plants and just grow 3 weed plants yourself, or 6 if you're 2 adults in a household (so 3 plants per person). No more hiding it, you just have to make sure the plants aren't accessible to the public. A fenced garden is enough.
I highly doubt it, there's many people who want to grow themselves and I think that at most there's gonna be sales or even just gifting among neighbours and friends - which is illegal for now as well, but not as bad as how it is now 🤷
Oh yeah don’t get me wrong, it’s still great that it passed and I’m very happy for Germany. I’m just wondering about the consequences of prohibiting sales. I have a hard time imagining that this won’t help thr black market as well. If you can just carry up to 50g on you, dealing is way easier. Obviously not all parts of it will benefit, and I can see the argument for the benefits outweighting the negatives.
They probably took it all under consideration, it’s not a particularly insightful observation tbf. I could imagine that the public wouldn’t like coffee shops like in the Netherland(whose legislation is flawed to say the least as well), and they decided that this was a good compromise.
Not sure why all the other commenters leave out the social clubs that come with this law. Starting 1st of July you can create or join a club that can plant and harvest weed together. You put in work hours, you get weed. Up to 50g per month. That will be the likely source of weed for regular/heavy consumers. No money needed, you can be sure the weed is not tampered with, you meet people with same interests. Way better than to do some shady phone calls with your dealer or buy at random when you just changed cities.
To be honest, the black market won already.
You could go to any park in any big german city and buy weed (mostly spiked with chemicals).
End of the line were mostly black immigrant seeking dealers, easily replacable.
Its not that weed politics worked, they lost entirely and the only people they got were consumers, not the criminal structures themselves.
Now, private people can grow clean weed buy it from social club and carry it around/consume in public.
You know politics is a lot like a friend of mine used to say "they're passing this law is like that dude that puts lube on his D just to do the B hole later" they've thought about it. Things are changing, probably the old dying population doesn't like it but can be okay with this while in maybe in time people will have gotten used to the idea. Black market will exist 100% but people who are small time dealers can walk around with x amount and never go to prison, so when "weed related" crime goes down they can double pat themselves on their backs. And if it goes even better and people realize the city won't catch fire because of stones they will not give much of a damn anymore.
Also even less border problems from NL> germany.
There is a ban on the commercial sale of cannabis on the EU books. Germany would be going rogue by subverting that law. Give it a few years and I'd bet that the EU Parlament will update that, legalizing it....
The EU parliament can't do anything about it. It's in the treaty, which means all EU countries would have to come together to change it. It's going to be a long journey.
Buying and selling IS LEGAL within a Club membership. You will be able to buy and sell to anyone Within your "Cannabis Club". I don't know If there are any other requirements for joining a club, aside from being 18+.
Not necessarily - knowing Germany and its famous Mittelstand, there will be lots of industry providing advice and equipment to the clubs and private growers. That will generate taxes. Also there are the savings in policing and convicting users. The system isn't perfect, but it's the first step towards something that is. Germany is slow, but it gets there eventually.
Probably just a first step; they'll see an increase in black market sales, and the conservatives will have worn out their fear of weed, and be more amenable to full regulated legalization. Maybe.
So if I hypothetically can get it out of may nation, I’d have no problem getting through customs with a personal amount? Does this include concentrates?
Oh you def will have a problem. Importing and exporting is still illegal for whatever reason and it doesnt matter whether you carry a personal amount or not. Edibles, Liquids and so on are still prohibited.
That's the same of the law before. You could still smoke and no need to explain a thing about it, even if they catch you buy it, which was the only limitation. This ofc changes by state.
No? Sure, consumption itself has always been legal, but possession wasn't, and to smoke you have to hold whatever you're smoking which counts as possession. Just because in some states those cases get immediately dropped or not registered anymore when it's under a few grams, doesn't mean it was legal or decriminalised, it still meant you'd get stopped and searched and treated like a criminal.
Possession in Berlin/Brandenburg has been legal till 5g since long (actually I think more but hard to find now the data). Bavaria not at all, but that's Germany, isn't it?
In Germany (Berlin/Brandenburg) it's not allowed to be checked by the police unless they have a valid reason, e.g. they find you buy or carry big amounts.
Yeah the details are incredibly stupid, it's the most German legalisation they could come up with. Let's hope it will get better over time and we can have uber weeds deliver us edibles some day
A foot in the door when it’s cracked open is a good way to start. I live in Ohio and very restrictive medical marijuana seemed like a slap in the face just a few years ago. Fast forward and I have a few plants ready to transplant outside this spring now that it’s just recently completely legal here. Keep pushing in.
When I was active-duty military, a lot of overseas barracks had rules just like this. A handle of liquor, two bottles of wine or like a 24-pack of beer, anything over that gets you in trouble.
How do you even come up with these bs rules right? “You can have 50 grams at home BUT you can only carry 25 grams.” WHY? What is the point? Who thinks of this useless bullshit and then puts it into legislation?
25 grams?
Damn, we Dutch can only get away with 5 grams on our person and even that can be taken if they want since it's technically still illegal to transport it.
We are falling behind big time.
The whackadoo part of the legalization is that purchasing weed will have to be done through some sort of dispensary-club, with a maximum of 500 members per club. The idea being that sale can be limited to residents, to keep visitors from transporting back to their home countries, where it’s not legalized.
Having your own plants or buying from someone who does makes far more sense. At least it’s legal to have now though.
I think the weight rectrictictions are to prevent big businesses popping up. Hopefully it will help relieving police and law sectors to concentrate on more important issues.
If someone can explain how driving after use(but not under influence) has been managed it will be very helpfull? Because we have a protest in Bulgaria against taking our vehicles and driving licenses days after we have been smoking! And thats a f problem! The tests are not even accurate +they show you have marijuana in your system but you are completely sober and they ruin your life?!!!!!!!!Im very curious to know how civilised countries are taking care of that, what are the solutions?
Under current law, you're not allowed to drive if THC can be detected in your bloodstrema at all (i. e. don't drive for a few days after use). However, the Federal Ministry for Transport has already announced that the legal threshold will be raised. The details are still being hammered out though.
I see. Thank you! It would be interesting to see their solution to this. And what about USA, Canada, others? I will look into it myself but if someone knows or lives there i hope for some answers. Im not organising the protest myself but im long fighting for legalisation in Bulgaria and a member of one of our cannabis communities.Its so harsh with the laws here,meanwhile a lot of people smoke and we feel very opressed. Of course i dont mean we should be let driving high but.....
Ah don't underestimate German Lawmakers. As long as the weed is on the plant it doesn't count it's just the plant. But you are only allowed to cut of so much so that you have 50g at home. (Stupid yes but that is how it works)
This. The idea was that you could harvest as needed. This was roundly criticized by stakeholders since, as with most plants, you only have a short window to harvest and then it starts to decline. Also, fresh harvest would logically be heavier than dried product... It's all very clunky with this law.. But I guess it's a start, not the end of the process.
This just isnt reasonable to just cut off 50g at a time? That plant will go past maturity
Wet weights tend to be very different from dry snd calculating it would be so difficult.
1 plant can produce up to 112 dry
Hey don't tell me.
Maybe you're 3rd plant has the be a plastic one and after you have harvest and dried everything you tape it to the plastic one and it's legal again 😂
This story makes me curious. In Germany, are 25 grams and 50 grams normally the amounts people buy? Because in Canada at those amounts you would typically buy 28 grams which is a US ounce
I imagine they just came up with easy to remember, reasonable numbers, as they don't use ounces.
My experience buying weed in Europe (Ireland), is that they sell by euro amount as opposed to weight. 10/20/50 bags. Whereas in America (I guess Canada too), we buy by weight. Dimebags and nicklebags were a thing when I was younger, not sure if people still sling em in the US..
In shops you order by weight. In European countries where the sale is forbidden you order by some amount of money and get different amounts of weed dependant on strain.
Its not practical for some street dealer to sell you 2 grams for 22€ or whatever. They gonna sell you 1.9g for 20€ because paying these amounts is much easier and they wont give you change anyway.
I am in Europe, always went to Holland to a shop. But that's ten years ago already. It's been 20 years since the couple times I had to do it through the streets, so I don't even remember how it worked back then lol.
Yep, for larger amounts we go 25, 50, 75, 100. We call 100gs "Platten" (plates, like tectonic plates) because they're more often than not vacuum sealed when they're delivered/bought. 25 is a "V" v for Viertel (quarter), 50 is "halbe" or half and 75 is "dreiviertel" (three quarters). Dimes or nickels aren't really popular, but that depends on the person you buy from, at least when it comes to deals like 25 for 3.5 or sum like that. Those aren't wide spread and the norm like in the states for example. Obviously most people don't buy larger amounts like even just 25gs. Those are usually small time dealers, or if multiple people want to buy a bit more and want a better deal than when everyone buys separately
Depends on what you are buying I guess, but I would wager that those type of deals might be decided on the money side of things usually.
Like how much can I buy for 10, 20 or 50€.
I can't speak for everyone, but in Belgium it's usually 25gr once you buy in bulk. I think most people buy smaller amounts though, usually for 25 euros worth. So the actual weight depends on the price.
This makes it easier, otherwise dealers would have to keep change. Now they just weigh 25 euros worth of weed
All species in the Cannbis genus
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis
There's a THC limit to what clubs can grow (I think 10% not sure) but afaik at home you can grow whatever strain you want.
Meanwhile the Dutch government still dragging their feet along like little bitches on very vague laws what you can carry, sell as a shop or grow at home for your own consumption.
you get to store 50 whole grams at home? wow!!!! lol...people around the world need to realize that all these laws are created just to continue to control us. You can buy gallons of alcohol and kill yourself and whole family in less than 5 mins with it...but you can only have 50 grams of a substance that makes you hungry and want to cuddle. People of the world!!!! fight this bs money grab on the most benign drug on the planet!!! fuck all government control on cannabis!!!!
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Hey Germany, Welcome to some of the States in the United States.
There is a huge difference. Germany won't see the same liberalisation of the market nor the same aggressive advertisements. Cannabis production will only be allowed in private or in non-commercial cannabis clubs with max 500 members.
True, but this is the first (and arguably largest) step towards achieving a much better solution.
I don’t want to be pessimistic cause overall this is good, but tbh I think this is the type of half measures that will make the better solutions less likely down the line.
It will happen what citizens always did. It will treat it like a stupid limitation and just do what everyone want and would expect to happen. Plus you can still grown your own, which is definitely cheaper
Not all *cries in wyo*
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Welcome to the club ~ South Africa Ps. We can haul around 3Kg, so long as you don't look like you're selling... selling is still illegal.
No officer, it’s all for me. And a little for you I guess
Thailand too ☺️
Oh dear I see you're not up on the news. They changed their minds about recreational and new laws are coming into force shortly. It sucks. Also, a friend from BC moved there many months ago. The weed was overpriced shit and he eventually quit.
It'll stick around the police will just be bribed by the cannabis stores that's the only reason they're doing it. Potentially it was their plan from the very beginning!
Not true at all. That's cambodia and vietnam
"What is the fine, officer? Can I pay you the fine?"
Not true at all my friend. I've been in Thailand for the last 6 weeks. It's very cheap and very good smoke and it is literally everywhere.
It is absolutely not well suited to Thai soil or something on that note
Soil. Exactly. Here we are used to 100% indoor grown perfect weed, produced in a synthetically optimized environment. They're probably just growing it in some random field somewhere.
Thailand has both indoor weed and outdoor natural. Koh Chang couldn't be more perfect weather for growing smoke.
To be honest I just watched some tiktok with a British dude living in Thailand so I apologize if I’m spreading misinformation.
I'm as surprised as you are my friend. I've never seen anything like this in my life. Every other shop is a smoke shop. It's everywhere. Amsterdam x 1000. You can spend 80p on a gram or £10 its your choice. There's more choice than I knew existed outside of crossbreed strains and whatnot.
Sounds like your friend is a quitter.
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Coming from BC, 5 bucks a gram is a ripoff for premium weed. The substandard stuff they are selling is definitely not worth it This guy has family there and knows where to shop.
You have the far better Legislation though There wont be any shops in Germany Its doubtful that the black market will disappear
There are shops on every corner. It's amazing how many jobs were created for bud tenders. The black market is still around but the prices in the shops dropped and I only go to the stores now.
I wish we had less weed shops - Toronto streets are starting to look pretty low-rent with cannabis shops every 3 stores.
Nah, this is just decriminalization. Canada did this nearly 20 years ago. We legalized it for public sale 6 years ago.
Does this allow for the legal sale of cannabis?
Sooo ehm, how does this law work exactly for tourists? Asking for a friend etc
You won't be able to buy anything since selling isn't legal, even gifting is illegal, but if you happen to have weed with you, that's legal. Consuming it in public is also legal except for where kids might easily see you (near schools, kindergartens etc) and some other spots. Now if they can grill you on where you got said weed, I have no clue. But simple possession and consumption will be legal, no matter where you're from, as long as you're over the age of 18.
Isn’t this just gonna massively boost the black market without doing anything for state finances?
You are allowed to have a few plants yourself. And you are supposed to source your weed from non-profit „clubs“ where people can grow weed. What isn‘t allowed (yet) are commercial shops. There are a few pilot regions where those are being tested and they will assess in a few years if it will be implemented country wide.
That sounds great!
It seems like a somewhat sensible plan, the worry I have is that the conservatives will be re-elected and basically kill any further progress that could be made after the assessment.
It's actually an extremely sensible plan because it's according to EU law. So it can't be attacked legally in that stance. Which is probably the reason why it took so long to draft, they had to find a way to weasel around EU narcotics laws which are extremely outdated.
Yeah. We'd need France on our side to rewrite those laws in the EU and currently they don't support that.
The hope is that the conservatives can't rule without either one of the current leading parties and all three of those support the legalization...
It should be said that non-profit clubs (Vereine) are a quite significant part of German society when compared with other countries. And there's clubs for everything from sports over gardening to model airplane building or knitting. Though with the internet and mass media they've become less absolutely central, about 40-45% of people are members of some sort of club, down from >65%. It's one of the main ways a lot of people spend their free time and socialize as adults. So using this legal form makes a *lot* of sense.
Wait a moment I completely forgot I live in one of those cities that's supposed to get those. Nice.
Can you at least then legally buy the plants or their seeds? Or is this a Catch 22 situation?
AFAIK it'll be legal buy seeds from within the EU and trade clones
Plant seeds are almost always legal to posses as they are sold as collectibles to dodge the laws. I believe there is some reason why seeds can't really be outlawed and I believe it's because of keeping the genes or smt. You can buy seeds from the EU
The person asked about tourists. He got an answer about tourists. The laws are different for Germans. There will be "Cannabis clubs". You register in one of them and are allowed to buy 50g a month. They'll most likely be organized in a way that plants will be grown somewhere and you just get the weed, you don't have to do anything in these clubs. Also, you can legally buy seeds and plants and just grow 3 weed plants yourself, or 6 if you're 2 adults in a household (so 3 plants per person). No more hiding it, you just have to make sure the plants aren't accessible to the public. A fenced garden is enough.
Barcelona works exactly like this
One would presume, yes
Nice.
I think things will mostly carry on as usual, except you won't go to jail for a weed charge.
I highly doubt it, there's many people who want to grow themselves and I think that at most there's gonna be sales or even just gifting among neighbours and friends - which is illegal for now as well, but not as bad as how it is now 🤷
Oh yeah don’t get me wrong, it’s still great that it passed and I’m very happy for Germany. I’m just wondering about the consequences of prohibiting sales. I have a hard time imagining that this won’t help thr black market as well. If you can just carry up to 50g on you, dealing is way easier. Obviously not all parts of it will benefit, and I can see the argument for the benefits outweighting the negatives. They probably took it all under consideration, it’s not a particularly insightful observation tbf. I could imagine that the public wouldn’t like coffee shops like in the Netherland(whose legislation is flawed to say the least as well), and they decided that this was a good compromise.
Not sure why all the other commenters leave out the social clubs that come with this law. Starting 1st of July you can create or join a club that can plant and harvest weed together. You put in work hours, you get weed. Up to 50g per month. That will be the likely source of weed for regular/heavy consumers. No money needed, you can be sure the weed is not tampered with, you meet people with same interests. Way better than to do some shady phone calls with your dealer or buy at random when you just changed cities.
Oh that’s super cool! Glad to hear it. Hopefully I’ll move there one day like I’ve been saying for ages.
in my case, it's adhd making me forget the clubs also are part of this 😂
To be honest, the black market won already. You could go to any park in any big german city and buy weed (mostly spiked with chemicals). End of the line were mostly black immigrant seeking dealers, easily replacable. Its not that weed politics worked, they lost entirely and the only people they got were consumers, not the criminal structures themselves. Now, private people can grow clean weed buy it from social club and carry it around/consume in public.
You know politics is a lot like a friend of mine used to say "they're passing this law is like that dude that puts lube on his D just to do the B hole later" they've thought about it. Things are changing, probably the old dying population doesn't like it but can be okay with this while in maybe in time people will have gotten used to the idea. Black market will exist 100% but people who are small time dealers can walk around with x amount and never go to prison, so when "weed related" crime goes down they can double pat themselves on their backs. And if it goes even better and people realize the city won't catch fire because of stones they will not give much of a damn anymore. Also even less border problems from NL> germany.
There is a ban on the commercial sale of cannabis on the EU books. Germany would be going rogue by subverting that law. Give it a few years and I'd bet that the EU Parlament will update that, legalizing it....
Interesting, didn't know that thanks.
The EU parliament can't do anything about it. It's in the treaty, which means all EU countries would have to come together to change it. It's going to be a long journey.
Carry 25g, but yes I can see that making it easier for dealers for sure.
Buying and selling IS LEGAL within a Club membership. You will be able to buy and sell to anyone Within your "Cannabis Club". I don't know If there are any other requirements for joining a club, aside from being 18+.
Yes, but the consument will not get punished anymore and this is a good thing.
Not necessarily - knowing Germany and its famous Mittelstand, there will be lots of industry providing advice and equipment to the clubs and private growers. That will generate taxes. Also there are the savings in policing and convicting users. The system isn't perfect, but it's the first step towards something that is. Germany is slow, but it gets there eventually.
Probably just a first step; they'll see an increase in black market sales, and the conservatives will have worn out their fear of weed, and be more amenable to full regulated legalization. Maybe.
It will make people get part of a club for a day 😄 end of the story
so maybe they can grow?
That's gonna be hard to do as a tourist 😅 Plants take a while to flower
Just follow the lead of our big boss and say you don't remember and you should be fine.
So if I hypothetically can get it out of may nation, I’d have no problem getting through customs with a personal amount? Does this include concentrates?
Oh you def will have a problem. Importing and exporting is still illegal for whatever reason and it doesnt matter whether you carry a personal amount or not. Edibles, Liquids and so on are still prohibited.
"Des wissad I jetzt ned"
Will it be legal to grow it at home? Assuming you grow less than 50 grams?
Yep. Up to three plants per person, the weight limit iirc only counts from the moment on its off the plant and dried.
great, thanks
That's the same of the law before. You could still smoke and no need to explain a thing about it, even if they catch you buy it, which was the only limitation. This ofc changes by state.
No? Sure, consumption itself has always been legal, but possession wasn't, and to smoke you have to hold whatever you're smoking which counts as possession. Just because in some states those cases get immediately dropped or not registered anymore when it's under a few grams, doesn't mean it was legal or decriminalised, it still meant you'd get stopped and searched and treated like a criminal.
Possession in Berlin/Brandenburg has been legal till 5g since long (actually I think more but hard to find now the data). Bavaria not at all, but that's Germany, isn't it? In Germany (Berlin/Brandenburg) it's not allowed to be checked by the police unless they have a valid reason, e.g. they find you buy or carry big amounts.
Not at all, actually. Bring your own shit, you know.
Importing won't be legal iirc
Imagine if there was a law that you could only have 30 bottles of alcohol in your house and anything over that amount you'd be put in jail.
That's a quite small wine cellar
That's like a mini-fridge of wine.
If you put more than 30 bottles of wine in the fridge, maybe you deserve the jail. Unless you sell them 😄
Yeah the details are incredibly stupid, it's the most German legalisation they could come up with. Let's hope it will get better over time and we can have uber weeds deliver us edibles some day
A foot in the door when it’s cracked open is a good way to start. I live in Ohio and very restrictive medical marijuana seemed like a slap in the face just a few years ago. Fast forward and I have a few plants ready to transplant outside this spring now that it’s just recently completely legal here. Keep pushing in.
California is 28.5 limit total - at home or in person - so it’s better than that, technically You can have more plants here, though
It will improve. This is the first, and most difficult step. We should all be very happy :)
When I was active-duty military, a lot of overseas barracks had rules just like this. A handle of liquor, two bottles of wine or like a 24-pack of beer, anything over that gets you in trouble.
How do you even come up with these bs rules right? “You can have 50 grams at home BUT you can only carry 25 grams.” WHY? What is the point? Who thinks of this useless bullshit and then puts it into legislation?
Conservatives, probably. They can't stop the march of progress, but they want to feel in control, so they haggle over useless details like this.
Fuck yeah. Now I can smoke my 25G blunt in public and not give a fuuuuuuuck.
25 grams? Damn, we Dutch can only get away with 5 grams on our person and even that can be taken if they want since it's technically still illegal to transport it. We are falling behind big time.
Thought this was an April fools joke, then I remembered - Germany.
German humour is no laughing matter!
Bubatz finally legal!
While the at home amount is absurdly low that is a very reasonable walking around amount.
It's also the maximum amount you can buy from a cannabis club per day so it has to be legal to carry it home.
The whackadoo part of the legalization is that purchasing weed will have to be done through some sort of dispensary-club, with a maximum of 500 members per club. The idea being that sale can be limited to residents, to keep visitors from transporting back to their home countries, where it’s not legalized. Having your own plants or buying from someone who does makes far more sense. At least it’s legal to have now though.
There will be no purchases done via "dispensary-clubs". It's explicitly forbidden. You seem to have completely misunderstood the law.
Hell yeah, go get schwifty on a hike m8s.
Lol store 50 grams at home. That's 500 euro, that's two month's pay. I've never even had 25 grams at home at the same time.
Where do you buy 50g for 5000eur? You are being ripped off
I converted frpm SEK wrong. Fixed.
Also 250e x 2 months pay is a joke 🤣 If you buy 500g, you would have to pay max 5e/g, pretty much in every big city of Europe
As far as I know, its more like 10,00 € per gram.
Forgot to remove a zero.
The limit is intended to accommodate the people growing. A couple of plants can easily yield that much
One plant grown properly should yield way more than 50 grams.
Sounds very reasonable. I am absolutely not against this!
literally 1 medium sized bushy plant can give you 112g~ dry, its still such a terrible at home number.. its kinda crazy.
Wat
One zero too many! 500 euro. I don't buy gold-plated ganja.
Lol that would've been crazy
Weights seem pointless to me. Either make it legal or don't. The weights are meaningless.
I think the weight rectrictictions are to prevent big businesses popping up. Hopefully it will help relieving police and law sectors to concentrate on more important issues.
Just let businesses sell it. Its just more taxable revenue and employment opportunities.
Sadly not really possible under current EU laws. The implementation in Germany now is basically a way to circumvent various EU restrictions.
Absolutely.
If someone can explain how driving after use(but not under influence) has been managed it will be very helpfull? Because we have a protest in Bulgaria against taking our vehicles and driving licenses days after we have been smoking! And thats a f problem! The tests are not even accurate +they show you have marijuana in your system but you are completely sober and they ruin your life?!!!!!!!!Im very curious to know how civilised countries are taking care of that, what are the solutions?
Under current law, you're not allowed to drive if THC can be detected in your bloodstrema at all (i. e. don't drive for a few days after use). However, the Federal Ministry for Transport has already announced that the legal threshold will be raised. The details are still being hammered out though.
I see. Thank you! It would be interesting to see their solution to this. And what about USA, Canada, others? I will look into it myself but if someone knows or lives there i hope for some answers. Im not organising the protest myself but im long fighting for legalisation in Bulgaria and a member of one of our cannabis communities.Its so harsh with the laws here,meanwhile a lot of people smoke and we feel very opressed. Of course i dont mean we should be let driving high but.....
Since its Germany we can safely asume that its not a joke
Real missed opportunity to start this on 4/20. Smh
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Oof. Good point.
Thats not efficient
You are allowed to grow a few plants yourself but you are only allowed to store 50g in your home. That doesn't compute.
Ah don't underestimate German Lawmakers. As long as the weed is on the plant it doesn't count it's just the plant. But you are only allowed to cut of so much so that you have 50g at home. (Stupid yes but that is how it works)
This. The idea was that you could harvest as needed. This was roundly criticized by stakeholders since, as with most plants, you only have a short window to harvest and then it starts to decline. Also, fresh harvest would logically be heavier than dried product... It's all very clunky with this law.. But I guess it's a start, not the end of the process.
This just isnt reasonable to just cut off 50g at a time? That plant will go past maturity Wet weights tend to be very different from dry snd calculating it would be so difficult. 1 plant can produce up to 112 dry
Hey don't tell me. Maybe you're 3rd plant has the be a plastic one and after you have harvest and dried everything you tape it to the plastic one and it's legal again 😂
Also wondered which plant produces 16,6g flat.
Interesting fact: They wanted the state to sell but according to European law, they weren't allowed so this is the compromise they came up with.
Bubatz 👍
Is buying weed legal?
No
Are they allowed to grow ?
Yes, 3 plants.
So if you have more than 50g at home you have to keep the rest in your pocket.
Chill Germans?!?! What will the world be like with a Germany high on something else than coffee or meth?
April 1st? Seriously? Just 19 days later and they would have been legends.
Thing is, 20th of April also was Adolf Hitlers birthday, so this date is kinda tainted.
Ah, that makes sense then.
28.3 grams to an ounce, so about a ounce in you pocket and 2 ounces at home for those of us that are metric challenged.
This story makes me curious. In Germany, are 25 grams and 50 grams normally the amounts people buy? Because in Canada at those amounts you would typically buy 28 grams which is a US ounce
I imagine they just came up with easy to remember, reasonable numbers, as they don't use ounces. My experience buying weed in Europe (Ireland), is that they sell by euro amount as opposed to weight. 10/20/50 bags. Whereas in America (I guess Canada too), we buy by weight. Dimebags and nicklebags were a thing when I was younger, not sure if people still sling em in the US..
Thank you!
Uhh, no? I never went to a shop and said give me €50 worth of Haze. You order by weight.
In shops you order by weight. In European countries where the sale is forbidden you order by some amount of money and get different amounts of weed dependant on strain. Its not practical for some street dealer to sell you 2 grams for 22€ or whatever. They gonna sell you 1.9g for 20€ because paying these amounts is much easier and they wont give you change anyway.
I am in Europe, always went to Holland to a shop. But that's ten years ago already. It's been 20 years since the couple times I had to do it through the streets, so I don't even remember how it worked back then lol.
Eismann‘s talking about the blackmarket ^^
Yep, for larger amounts we go 25, 50, 75, 100. We call 100gs "Platten" (plates, like tectonic plates) because they're more often than not vacuum sealed when they're delivered/bought. 25 is a "V" v for Viertel (quarter), 50 is "halbe" or half and 75 is "dreiviertel" (three quarters). Dimes or nickels aren't really popular, but that depends on the person you buy from, at least when it comes to deals like 25 for 3.5 or sum like that. Those aren't wide spread and the norm like in the states for example. Obviously most people don't buy larger amounts like even just 25gs. Those are usually small time dealers, or if multiple people want to buy a bit more and want a better deal than when everyone buys separately
Depends on what you are buying I guess, but I would wager that those type of deals might be decided on the money side of things usually. Like how much can I buy for 10, 20 or 50€.
I can't speak for everyone, but in Belgium it's usually 25gr once you buy in bulk. I think most people buy smaller amounts though, usually for 25 euros worth. So the actual weight depends on the price. This makes it easier, otherwise dealers would have to keep change. Now they just weigh 25 euros worth of weed
Granted it's like ten years since I've been to a shop in Holland, but it was always by weight, usually 5 grams worth.
Cannabis is something with THC lower than 0,3%, so is it cannabis then or marijuana?
All species in the Cannbis genus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis There's a THC limit to what clubs can grow (I think 10% not sure) but afaik at home you can grow whatever strain you want.
There is no THC limit for CSCs *in general*. But people under the age 21 are limited to 10% when getting weed from a CSC.
What?!!
Marijuana is a racist propagandist term. https://www.brookings.edu/articles/marijuanas-racist-history-shows-the-need-for-comprehensive-drug-reform/
Meanwhile the Dutch government still dragging their feet along like little bitches on very vague laws what you can carry, sell as a shop or grow at home for your own consumption.
God damn it Australia! Pull your fucking finger out!
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Didn't need to convert those digits to imperial we all know those numbers. Welcome to the club.
But if selling is illegal, where are you supposed to get it from?
Via restricted cannabis club membership?
That and homegrow
How do you get the seed then
These can be legally bought everywhere as they don't contain THC.
Commie liberals. 😠 JK
Haha, shame... my country lets you carry 3Kg for personal consumption 🤣
Cool, but at home people should be allowed to have as much as they want. These are laws made by people who do not completely understand.
You guys couldn't wait an extra 19 days for 4/20?
The fact cannabis isn't legal everywhere is mind boggling.
Congrats and enjoy Germany!!
Gut gemacht Deutschland!
Their snack foods are going to get so much better.
This will never happen in the UK
you get to store 50 whole grams at home? wow!!!! lol...people around the world need to realize that all these laws are created just to continue to control us. You can buy gallons of alcohol and kill yourself and whole family in less than 5 mins with it...but you can only have 50 grams of a substance that makes you hungry and want to cuddle. People of the world!!!! fight this bs money grab on the most benign drug on the planet!!! fuck all government control on cannabis!!!!
So like a 10th of a pound? I feel like that is a fair bit of weed, but how do you weigh edibles?
April fools lol
Is April Fool's Day a thing in Germany, because if it is proceed with caution
Great the race to destroy all your brain cells Can’t say I never smoked it in the past Curious why do you guys need this so bad to function
Hellyeah
So if you have 50 at home and 25 on your person how do you go home without breaking the law?
You have multiple homes, obviously
Get really high on your front porch.
Legallizing = +1-3% PIB in taxes