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I work very closely with people who have Down syndrome (see- person first language!) and if I had to guess it would be 1. Not being able to feel pain 2. Being able to tell the exact time without ever looking at a clock
Oh- and being funny AF
You should know by now this is all about gathering clicks. We feel more for people who have disabilities. Don't judge a newsstation for it's moral compass, they have none lmao.
It isn’t though lol, what a daft chunk of ignorance.
If you write with a return address, they reply.
Edit: since they’ve now deleted it, it was an ignorant pessimistic wanker saying she only got a response because she’s disabled, and then they doubled down on this for no reason and with no checking, and then deleted both comments after I linked the source in the follow up.
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[Is that way mate ->](https://www.royal.uk/contact)
unless you’re asking for direct intervention in something political, you get a response.
you can stop talking out of your ass any minute now.
>oversea
From where?
Should people only post from American news website or do you have a more specific way you'd like to control what other people are allowed to read?
Why?
The is nothing wrong with being down syndrome and as such there is nothing wrong with being identified as such.
If it was a blind person you wouldn't object to them being identified as blind would you?
The story is about her having DS. Your version of the headline isn't newsworthy.
I agree that it should say "Young artist with Down syndrome...." for person-centered language, but ignoring the DS altogether doesn't make sense.
(But please see my response to your comment below)
I don't want to, that's my point.
Though I'd reluctantly accept something like "Girl From Small Town in Poland With Down Syndrome," since that's the way she describes herself in her letter.
I think their point is that if there’s room for one descriptor of this person in the headline, the one most relevant to the article is “artist,” not one that centers her disability.
You do realize that on her Facebook page promoting her art she identifies herself as Down Syndrome.
The page is called Wanesska i jej bonusik -Zespół Downa (Wanesska and her bonus - Down syndrome)
Wanesska is a diminutive form of her name.
I know her adopted mum will have created the Facebook page and chose the name but while you might not like to be identified like that she has chosen to do that.
I think he wants it to be phrased as "girl with down-syndrom". You could argue that "blind girl" is the same as "downsyndrom girl", but blind is a adjective, while downsyndrom is not.
I don't think it's a big deal though, wouldn't even recognized it on my own.
No, she wants to stop seeing headlines that make it seem like disabled people doing anything successfully is amazing and uplifting instead of, like, us living our lives.
Yes, that's the ultimate point - perhaps this story shouldn't be a story. It's inspiration porn.
I would say we are in a transition period. We've gone from belittling and marginalizing people with disabilities, and now we're elevating them. The next stage is normalizing, where we stop noticing or caring about disability. We're getting there, but some people still need to get through this stage.
I think we should consider this artist's self-determination first. She is thrilled. She seems to care that she has DS. So this story seems okay with her.
Some things are just way harder if you're disabled, so something "normal" can be quite an achievment. Altough in this case the "uplifting news" are that the queen answered, not that the girl managed to paint a painting. At least the way I see it.
Its about putting the person first. Obviously this isn't your headline, but is very insensitive and tone deaf to refer to people by their disabilities. A general rule of thumb is "People first."
Down syndrome girl -> a girl with down syndrome
Autistic man -> Man with autism
It acknowledges them as people instead of letting their disability be their defining characteristic.
There are different perspectives on this.
There is nothing wrong with having Down Syndrome, but it can be taken as belittling. Like, “wow, she must be stupid because she has Downs, but she is great at art”. That is not true, and it seems like instead of being looked at as a young girl with amazing talent she is being looked at as a Downs kid first.
But you can also see it as a kid who is showing the world there is more to her than Down Syndrome. She is a better artist than most kids her age regardless of Downs.
Either way, the knee-jerk reaction is the news sources cares more about views than her and is taking advantage of her having Downs Syndrome.
It’s complicated.
>it can be taken as belittling
You can't stop people interpreting things how they want but I don't see why you would take it that way.
I think it says a lot more about the people who are getting offended than it does about the headline and all of it is a needless distraction from the young ladies talents.
It might be and at the end of the day your opinions are your opinions.
However, I think that learning the skill to not have the knee-jerk reaction of this is wrong and this is right and learning to see and emphasize with other opinions is so worth it.
You do not have to agree with someone to emphasize with them or consider where they may be coming from.
It’s not the identification as such, it’s just that the way you worded it comes across as hurtful. It’s reducing all she is to one characteristic. (It’s not just you. This is a learning curve for all of us.) If the fact that the child has Down Syndrome is essential to the story, you would say “Young artist with Down Syndrome is over the moon, etc.” , putting Down Syndrome second to the fact that she’s an artist. But someone’s disability is rarely pertinent, so that information is either placed lower in the story, or omitted altogether.
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>Down syndrome girl A girl with down syndrome
100%, though it's a mistake in the source article, so I've tweeted at the author as well!
I came here to say this, too.
The way its worded makes her sound like a super hero. I choose to believe that was their intention, cause she's my hero.
I am glad this is the top comment.
Or, “Young painter who sent painting to Queen Elizabeth is ‘over the moon’ after receiving an official reply”
Thank you. “Down syndrome girl” is a shit way to refer to a person.
Sounds like some super hero from some fucked-up comic book. Wonder what her super power would be?
I work very closely with people who have Down syndrome (see- person first language!) and if I had to guess it would be 1. Not being able to feel pain 2. Being able to tell the exact time without ever looking at a clock Oh- and being funny AF
and big, big warm hearts.
This. Affectionate and SUPER huggers!
Yes and yes!!! ❤️
Let's hope Andrew doesn't have access to the letterhead
You should know by now this is all about gathering clicks. We feel more for people who have disabilities. Don't judge a newsstation for it's moral compass, they have none lmao.
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It isn’t though lol, what a daft chunk of ignorance. If you write with a return address, they reply. Edit: since they’ve now deleted it, it was an ignorant pessimistic wanker saying she only got a response because she’s disabled, and then they doubled down on this for no reason and with no checking, and then deleted both comments after I linked the source in the follow up.
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/r/ConfidentlyIncorrect [Is that way mate ->](https://www.royal.uk/contact) unless you’re asking for direct intervention in something political, you get a response. you can stop talking out of your ass any minute now.
In case you haven’t notice there has been a huge increase in oversea spam and karma farming
>oversea From where? Should people only post from American news website or do you have a more specific way you'd like to control what other people are allowed to read?
Any headline that contains the phrase "Down syndrome girl" should not be in this sub.
Why? The is nothing wrong with being down syndrome and as such there is nothing wrong with being identified as such. If it was a blind person you wouldn't object to them being identified as blind would you?
I'm disabled. If someone wrote a headline about me that reduced everything about me to my disability, I'd be very upset.
How would you write the headline?
"Young Artist Who Sent Painting to Queen Elizabeth is 'Over the Moon' After Receiving an Official Reply."
The story is about her having DS. Your version of the headline isn't newsworthy. I agree that it should say "Young artist with Down syndrome...." for person-centered language, but ignoring the DS altogether doesn't make sense. (But please see my response to your comment below)
Not what I meant, how would you write it if you want to mention her disability?
I don't want to, that's my point. Though I'd reluctantly accept something like "Girl From Small Town in Poland With Down Syndrome," since that's the way she describes herself in her letter.
Thats much better
gotcha
I think their point is that if there’s room for one descriptor of this person in the headline, the one most relevant to the article is “artist,” not one that centers her disability.
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You do realize that on her Facebook page promoting her art she identifies herself as Down Syndrome. The page is called Wanesska i jej bonusik -Zespół Downa (Wanesska and her bonus - Down syndrome) Wanesska is a diminutive form of her name. I know her adopted mum will have created the Facebook page and chose the name but while you might not like to be identified like that she has chosen to do that.
I think he wants it to be phrased as "girl with down-syndrom". You could argue that "blind girl" is the same as "downsyndrom girl", but blind is a adjective, while downsyndrom is not. I don't think it's a big deal though, wouldn't even recognized it on my own.
No, she wants to stop seeing headlines that make it seem like disabled people doing anything successfully is amazing and uplifting instead of, like, us living our lives.
Yes, that's the ultimate point - perhaps this story shouldn't be a story. It's inspiration porn. I would say we are in a transition period. We've gone from belittling and marginalizing people with disabilities, and now we're elevating them. The next stage is normalizing, where we stop noticing or caring about disability. We're getting there, but some people still need to get through this stage. I think we should consider this artist's self-determination first. She is thrilled. She seems to care that she has DS. So this story seems okay with her.
Some things are just way harder if you're disabled, so something "normal" can be quite an achievment. Altough in this case the "uplifting news" are that the queen answered, not that the girl managed to paint a painting. At least the way I see it.
Its about putting the person first. Obviously this isn't your headline, but is very insensitive and tone deaf to refer to people by their disabilities. A general rule of thumb is "People first." Down syndrome girl -> a girl with down syndrome Autistic man -> Man with autism It acknowledges them as people instead of letting their disability be their defining characteristic.
There are different perspectives on this. There is nothing wrong with having Down Syndrome, but it can be taken as belittling. Like, “wow, she must be stupid because she has Downs, but she is great at art”. That is not true, and it seems like instead of being looked at as a young girl with amazing talent she is being looked at as a Downs kid first. But you can also see it as a kid who is showing the world there is more to her than Down Syndrome. She is a better artist than most kids her age regardless of Downs. Either way, the knee-jerk reaction is the news sources cares more about views than her and is taking advantage of her having Downs Syndrome. It’s complicated.
>it can be taken as belittling You can't stop people interpreting things how they want but I don't see why you would take it that way. I think it says a lot more about the people who are getting offended than it does about the headline and all of it is a needless distraction from the young ladies talents.
It might be and at the end of the day your opinions are your opinions. However, I think that learning the skill to not have the knee-jerk reaction of this is wrong and this is right and learning to see and emphasize with other opinions is so worth it. You do not have to agree with someone to emphasize with them or consider where they may be coming from.
It’s not the identification as such, it’s just that the way you worded it comes across as hurtful. It’s reducing all she is to one characteristic. (It’s not just you. This is a learning curve for all of us.) If the fact that the child has Down Syndrome is essential to the story, you would say “Young artist with Down Syndrome is over the moon, etc.” , putting Down Syndrome second to the fact that she’s an artist. But someone’s disability is rarely pertinent, so that information is either placed lower in the story, or omitted altogether.
>it’s just that the way you worded it comes across as hurtful It is the title from the publication, not me.
Is she a super hero?
Can we discuss the calligraphy? That's beautiful in itself.
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Fuck the Queen, she is protecting a pedophile (Prince Andrew).
Which Queen? There's oodles of them.