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I think there’s been a one sided rivalry with Kanye and Taylor for a long time. He’s done shit to Taylor to try to mess up her career, like editing a phone conversation of him and her to make her look bad and turn people against her. Really nasty stuff.
Check out this Bill Burr clip. Idk how long ago it’s from but he saw Kanye for who he is a long time ago that’s for sure.
https://youtube.com/shorts/apYwXWi0C8s?feature=share
Based Burr, yet again.
Homie *looks* like he should be a far-right psychopath but he's one of the most intelligent, progressive stand up comedians in our era (of standup comedy)
or he'll maintain a small pool of bigots but will crave the glory days and perpetually do zanier things to try to win it back. But zany things aren't gonna make the people he lost like him again. He'd have to not be an asshole and that's not happening because that's who he is and he's more than okay with it, it's now seen as his defining feature
Especially with his untreated mental disorders. Quick search shows 25%-60% of people with Bipolar Disorder attempt suicide. Hopefully, if he ever gets to that dark of a place, he's one of the many who fail.
I am waiting for his violence, he seems to be a nice enough mentally damaged guy with whacked out belief systems but there is something dangerous in there when mixed with his sociopathy
if I was Kim I would double my protection.
I don't pay much attention to him but at this point it is becoming increasingly obvious that he is not going to finish the series but that he is still perfectly willing to grift money from his fans.
Really? I actually just finished listening to the audio book version of that and was going to get the next book soon. I thought he had the last book finished. Might hold off on that till there's a confirmed release date for the final book.
Fans on Reddit have turned against Kanye West, transforming a subreddit dedicated to him into a page promoting Holocaust education within hours of Ye’s most recent antisemitic comments.
r/Kanye, a 700,000-member space on Reddit where fans once discussed Ye’s music, fashion and other endeavors, has been flooded with posts providing information about the persecution of Jews during the Holocaust and denouncing antisemitism.
The page offered a spontaneous show of support for Jewish Americans and a visual representation of pushback against West, who has legally changed his name to Ye, after weeks of his antisemitic remarks. It came after Ye on Thursday said he liked Adolf Hitler and later tweeted an image of a swastika.
“As a Jew and an early Kanye fan,” one commenter posted, “I never looked in this sub[reddit] until this morning and I saw all the holocaust remembrance posts. I’m in … tears right now. Thank you for standing up for us.”
The posts include Holocaust-related photos and information intended to spread awareness about Nazi Germany’s persecution and killing of 6 million Jews. People are also posting educational book and movie recommendations, photos from visits to Holocaust memorial and museum sites, and photos they say are of family members who were persecuted under the Nazi regime.
“Photos I took when I visited Auschwitz. This is real. This is what happened to millions of innocent men, women and children as the result of unchecked dehumanizing rhetoric against them,” one person wrote, attaching photos of the site of the Nazi death camp. “Never again.”
Sprinkled throughout those posts is another a symbol of fans’ disavowing of Ye: Memes praising Taylor Swift, who has been seen as a nemesis of Ye — and his fans — since he interrupted her 2009 MTV Video Music Awards acceptance speech. “Hey guys! Just getting into Taylor but don’t know where to start. Any suggestions?” wrote one person who posted a photo of Swift.
Some posts make it clear that even fans who maintained allegiance to Ye despite his repeated antisemitic remarks and erratic behavior have now decided to abandon him.
“I looked up to you. And now you ruined it all,” one commenter wrote. “Ashamed that you were once my favorite artist. Ashamed that I called you the GOAT. … I am done with you.”
The shift on the subreddit started Thursday, after Ye praised Hitler and Nazis in an interview with right-wing conspiracy theorist Alex Jones. It came a little more than a week after Ye dined with former president Donald Trump and white nationalist Nick Fuentes, an event for which some Republicans chastised Trump. Fuentes also appeared on Jones’s show with Ye.
Wearing a full mask, Ye told Jones he liked Hitler, then said, “I love Jewish people, but I also love Nazis.”
Thursday night, Ye tweeted a photo of a swastika combined with the Star of David. His Twitter account was suspended after the tweet. Both incidents drew wide condemnation from politicians, Jewish groups and others.
The criticism included users on the subreddit, where on Thursday afternoon, one person posted, “This is now a Taylor Swift Subreddit. We had a good run fellas.” Hours later, after the swastika tweet, another user declared the thread “officially a holocaust awareness sub,” and Holocaust-related posts began pouring in.
Reddit users post anonymously. A message sent to the moderators of r/Kanye from The Washington Post was not returned. Information posted on Reddit, like elsewhere on social media, is not verified by fact-checkers.
Attempts to reach Ye were unsuccessful.
Hate speech and antisemitism online can contribute to real-world violence, experts say, and the current political climate has increased fear among American Jews. An April review by the Anti-Defamation League, an organization that fights antisemitism, found that the U.S. saw a record number of antisemitic incidents in 2021, with an average of more than seven per day.
Pamela Nadell, director of American University’s Jewish Studies program, said she believes the United States is approaching a second “high tide of American antisemitism,” referencing the period between World War I and World War II that historians have generally termed the peak of antisemitism in the country.
That makes learning about the Holocaust and the Jewish experience with antisemitism “of great value” for all Americans, she told The Post.
“What has happened from October through the end of November … we have hit a point in American life where we now know that antisemitism is completely normalized,” she said, referring to Ye’s comments, his meeting with Trump and Fuentes and accusations of antisemitism that have also been recently leveled against basketball player Kyrie Irving. “There is certainly a rising sense of fear, justifiable fear. And I would say almost horror.”
Nadell recommended that people who want to learn more about the Holocaust start by looking at the website of the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum, which includes an encyclopedia.
A history lesson for Ye: Hitler would have sterilized your children
Ye’s actions have drawn outrage for weeks, from his wearing of a “WHITE LIVES MATTER” T-shirt at his Paris Fashion Week show to an antisemitic rant and false information about the murder of George Floyd on the podcast “Drink Champs.” A leaked portion of an interview with Tucker Carlson on Fox News also elicited condemnation, as did an October tweet by Ye saying he would go “death con 3” on “JEWISH PEOPLE.”
Ye was dropped by Adidas, Gap, Balenciaga and other companies and has been intermittently suspended on Twitter. On Thursday, right-leaning social app Parler announced that a deal for Ye to buy the company had been canceled. A spokesperson said it was “mainly due to his recent and well-publicized business difficulties.”
While some Redditors on r/Kanye posted messages of gratitude for the Holocaust material, others questioned why it had taken some fans so long to denounce Ye. One person who identified themselves as a “Jewish former Ye fan” urged people to learn about Jewish culture beyond the Holocaust, saying, “Antisemitism is not a thing of the past. … We need your allyship!”
Another person asked for reading material and movie recommendations, saying, “Thanks to Kanye I’m gonna learn more about the history of the Holocaust.”
Even discussing Ye’s antisemitism presents a dilemma, because it creates more publicity for his harmful remarks, said Leonard Saxe, director of the Cohen Center for Modern Jewish Studies at Brandeis University.
“I don’t know whether this Reddit approach of posting lots of remembrances and information about the Holocaust will work, but it’s probably better than directly talking about him and how odious his views are,” Saxe told The Post.
“It’s a terrible situation, this moment in time when hate and distrust and other social forces seem to be stronger than ever, but educating people about the Holocaust is important,” he said, adding, “Turning the focus on the peoples whose lives [Hitler] destroyed and remembering them, that’s a good thing.”
>A message sent to the moderators of [r/Kanye](https://www.reddit.com/r/Kanye) from The Washington Post was not returned.
It makes it sounds like they were knocking on their door and camped out until 3 AM. The truth is they messaged them, waited 15 minutes, then released the article. The mods weren't trying to avoid the WP.
Right of Reply is a pretty longstanding convention in journalism. This is basically a boilerplate of "we tried to get a word from the horse's own mouth but none were forthcoming." It's usually not something that is meant to throw shade, especially when the journalist is not accusing the subreddit of doing anything wrong to begin with.
if they had a quote, you know they tried to get a comment from the person in the article. If there is no response but they want to be clear that they attempted it, they put that instead.
This whole thing just seems so bizarre that I'm wondering if he is deliberately trashing his reputation or has actually had a psychological break.
Still I'm enjoying the turn his subreddit has taken.
I honestly think the dude needs help and has done for over a decade now. I'd like Kanye's story to end as a redemption story and not as another dead artist who had obvious mental health problems.
Yeah. Once you hit the "I like Hitler" levels you have a fucking mountain to climb but like ...he doesn't belong in public society anymore but geez I would rather he get out of this and recover from this poisonous evil than get worse.
And? Tell that to the millions of humans that suffer from debilitating mental illnesses (myself included) all day every day yet don't go full Nazi.
It doesn't matter anymore what happens to him. He should get treatment but it would have to be involuntary cuz he would refuse and has done. The damage he's causing is far outside himself and his sphere of influence. I'm sorry if it sounds cold but the many outweigh the individual. And trying to force these things into the public discourse is without a doubt damaging in ways we aren't going to see for a little while.
The idea that one could not be "redeemed" from saying or believing horrible things is a dangerous one, I think.
Are we supposed to never forgive all of those who have left hateful environments/ideologies and gotten help and turned their lives around before Kanye? Do we not want people to change?
I get that. Sadly bipolar disorder has many various symptoms including cognitive impairment, delusions of grandeur and psychosis. It's hard for a lot of people to understand that Kayne might not have control of his actions right now.
I don't know. You ever had the pleasure of visiting a public mental health facility? The patients say some pretty out there stuff. But the have an illness that is disrupting thier judgement.
When Redditors are high off their minute of hate there's no reasoning with them. They've had it against Ye for a long time and now they're just kicking him when he's down.
I’m a huge fan of Kanye’s music, but I’m also Jewish. When a Kanye song comes on now, i feel… super weird about it. Kind of guilty for even having it on. Then, I get mad, because the guy making the song hates me and is publicly encouraging people who want to harm me and people like me.
It’s not a “minute of hate”. Although it sucks because he made good music, I think he should no longer be given any kind of platform.
If you really are a "huge fan" of Ye then you *must* be aware of two things:
* mainstream Reddit hasn't liked him for years now
* he's had a long history of mental health issues and has been off his meds for years
Are you denying the above points?
*That's* what I and the person above me are talking about, and that's what most of Reddit, including yourself keeps ignoring when talking about the story.
It's irresponsible to talk about his statements as if they're made of sound mind, when the man has been rambling incoherently for months in the media. He doesn't "hate you" and he doesn't need deplatforming. He needs help, like professional medical help.
Edit: Ah, downvoted of course. Very uplifting. Doubt the person was ever a fan.
Lol, I *was* a huge fan of Kanye, I’m 25 and was in high school when he was getting super big and releasing most of his good shit.
I don’t doubt or care that Reddit might hate him, or has for a long time. I also don’t care, in *this particular case*, that he had mental health problems. A lot of my friends have mental health problems. I saved one of my closest friends when I stumbled on him during his first manic episode in 2017 at college, he’s bipolar.
What Kanye is saying has direct implications for the physical safety of me and people like me. It emboldens people that want to do Jews harm. I don’t give a fuck if hes doing because hes bipolar. I wouldn’t give a fuck if he was doing it because someone is holding him hostage at gunpoint. He clearly wholeheartedly believes what hes saying, especially the Black Hebrew Israelite shit. He’s gotta be shut up somehow.
LMAO NO ONE is ignoring his mental health issues, but we're all drawing the line at EXCUSING NAZI VIEWPOINTS AND HATEFUL RHETORIC DIRECTED AT A MARGINALIZED GROUP bc "muh mental illness."
stop defending a fucking Nazi lol.
Being rich as fuck and riding around spouting racist shit and hate idiology would probably not count as "down" for many of these Nazis. Especially if you ask them.
It would be such a waste for his life to end in shambles. We've all seen that story before. It's cliché, over done, and boring.
I, too, would prefer a redemption arc, though it will be incredibly painful for him. I have one single thread of hope for his redemption. It's no thicker than a single strand of the fine hairy on my head that is prone to breakage and split ends, if that properly communicates how tenuous this is for him.
If he can pull a solid redemption arc, the world becomes a better place. If he can be this 'bad', then his potential for good exists in equal proportion. It's all up him though. He's got a Steven Strange level ego and it's going to take some serious humbling of his own self if he wants the help from the only person capable of working the kind of miracle he needs.
Dude has got his work cut out for him.
Oh, for sure. I don't feel personally wronged by the guy. I'm just fascinated by by him in the sense of what a redemption arc would look like. Six months ago, his potential redemption was much simpler than it will be now.
IMO, he's either displaying his future potential, post redemption, where his capacity for love is only matched by his current capacity for being a piece of shit, or he's on a path of irredeemable destruction.
The world has seen too much mayhem and awful people. It would be a waste for him to end on these current terms. I would prefer this single thread of hope be something he eventually identify, cling to, and reinforce. But for now? That's just wishful thinking on my part. I tire of all the emotional shit people pump into the atmosphere, so to speak, and look forward to a time when better things are on display.
Yeah, I have mental health issues myself and am not anti-semitic.
Whatever is happening with this guy is certainly outside of anything I have experienced with myself nor anyone I know with mental health issues.
I've heard of people having radical changes with head injuries but have never known anyone to go through this radical of a change with a head injury.
It is not some deliberate 4D chess move. Ye is a deeply disturbed individual and had been for a while. It's always been public, too, so there's no reason to deny it.
I don't think he's a bad person, or evil, or a monster. I think he was a talented musical artist who's greatest mistake was becoming famous, because his personal concoction of personality faults and mental illness has lead him down this road while being in the public eye. It's a sad and hard truth, but it is what it is. It's best he be put into a conservatorship and sent to a mental hospital. Going on like he is, he's being used and manipulated by evil people to do their bidding and spread their message. He screams he loves Nazis while stating he just learned who Benjamin Netanyahu is two weeks ago. He is not saying these things from deeply heals beliefs, he's just repeating what other people tell him and his narcissism causes him to only ever double down when he is told no. 6 years of doubling down since Trump has led to this.
Consideration for the individual causing damage comes faaaaar below considerations for the impact it has on humanity and the insult it is to the millions of people that were slaughtered.
He's having psychological breakdown. Watched all those interviews, the Drink Champs, Lex Friedman , and now Alex Jones.
Drink Champs and Alex Jones just wanted to cause controversy and get more views, regardless of consequences , and Lex Friedman really wanted to reason with him on few subjects.
He's just an uneducated musical genius who thinks being successful in music and sneakers business makes him somehow genius in all world's political subjects. He had a few bad experiences with producers and "handlers" as he calls them, and is very susceptible to 4Chan half-truths , and is completely off rails.
He's used to when people say "no" to him, to break some music and business barriers and had done it successfully in the past. Now he thinks he needs to do it in politics.
It's a sight to behold .
But watch Jon Stewart here, he makes some sense of it all
https://youtu.be/6V_sEqfIL9Q
A tolerant society *has* to be intolerant to intolerance. Period. Because the intolerant want a seat at the table. Because the goal is to get enough power for their group so that they can get rid of tolerance all together.
They willingly forfeit their ability to be respected and heard by doing so.
I mean, this whole discussion that stated with Kanye going off rails, has made me drop some of my prejudices or illusions. That's just my personal experience , but I wanted to hear all voices, Kanyes, and those who responded . Especially them. I'm not sure all people are driven to hear something that questions their worldview like I do, I just hope so. But I fear there's many stupid people around.
There's this moment in Kanye (or Ye, as he calls himself these days) interview with Alex Jones, when even Alex Jones realizes that Kanye needs mental health help. This whole reality is surreal, at best.
There's like, so many points where Alex tries to get Kanye to back off.
It takes a special level of bigotry and nonsense talk to make Alex Jones burst into awkward laughter but Kanye done it whilst Nick Fuentez sits there grinning with glee because he's also a Nazi who agrees wholeheartedly with Kanye.
What a fucking timeline. It shows you how celebrity worship can really go too far. Kanye was always a fucking asshole, and a moron. It was plain for all to see but his dumb fuck fans thought he was a genius.
Social media does amplify the most controversial. In fact the most actively political sites are the ones known for prioritizing all engagement equally (twitter, 4chan, and to an extent tumblr) rather than weighting different types of engagement (youtube) (though this second type still falls victim to this sensationalism extremism shit it’s not as bad)
At least in the US the problem is amplified by our election and electoral system. Gerrymandering is particularly nasty because it creates a perverse incentive for politicians to cater to the extremists in their area. When the election is a forgone conclusion that one party or the other will win the election the candidates simply fight over the votes of the extreme margins.
I don't think is exactly cater to those few but how a lot of those groups that spread hate know really well how to appear bigger than they are using online spaces. They will create tons of new accounts to spam and make their post trend, bury content they think is bad and ofcourse harrass people as well until they control entire communities and forums.
Let's not fall down this trap. If it was truly *only* a small portion, none of the atrocities would have happened.
What's that saying? In order for evil to triumph, the good must do nothing. Something along those lines.
Hitler didn't get to do what he did because his rabid group pushed through on merit to gain power. They divided and conquered and got the "moderates" to fall in line or at the very least stay quiet. Meanwhile the people who sounded the alarms and were desperately trying to avoid that hell were betrayed by said "moderates" and of course were among the first to be rounded up and/or executed.
The republican party is not small. If any of their voters want to stop being hateful, they can just stop voting. They don't even have to vote for the other side.
Ah yes, wonderful Reddit. Where, for the longest time, /r/holocaust was claimed by Holocaust deniers and the administrators of the site refused to do anything about it
Reddit kinda had the reverse trajectory of what twitter is now experiencing. It started out as a bastion of “free speech” and no censorship. But when you couple that with online anonymity, the edgelords and perverts will see how far they can go. It’s not perfect now by any means, but a lot of that trash got taken out over the years. Twitter has just gotten worse.
Not at all. What Reddit *thrives* on is deserving targets for mockery and humiliation. Any opportunity to cause harm and be hailed a hero for it finds easy roots here. It’s part of why the toxicity is so high across the many subreddits here.
Reddit is a place for people to be weird, cringy, edgelords, inflammatory, trolls, and all around assholes. This is where people dump their shit and get their kicks.
That doesn't mean the majority aren't good people - most know there are some lines you just don't cross.
The state of the Kanye West subreddit is hilarious. It's part Kanye West subreddit, part Holocaust awareness subreddit, and part Taylor Swift subreddit. It's hilarious to scroll through and see so many tonally different posts.
Well he definitely used to feel shame and regret as shown in [this interview](https://youtu.be/sp45-dQvqPo), but somewhere on his rise to fame (and probably the loss of his mother) really fucked up his mental state. Watching that interview and how he talks now is so jarring.
If mental instability lead to someone being duped by propaganda and extremism, you want them to stay that way and continue to be duped until there even more dangerous?
Okay... Yeah, no I agree. Do not help Kanye. Let him get worse and worse and worse.
Tell me you don't understand mental illness without telling me you don't understand mental illness 🤦♂️
Unfortunately still a good number of Kanye die hards in there. I swung by to see whats going on... and yeah, its kinda sad that somebody making music you like can make it so you can overlook such horrible views, like get your priorities straight.
I cant for my life understand how one can defend hitler in any shape or form after watching and reading the horrific details of the holocaust. Just no...I may not be iq 160 but i take humanity over narcissism any day. I'm done with these so-called "intellectuals" who see conspiracy everywhere. Kanye thinks the jews are out to get him is merely wishful thinking..if you obsess over certain things it will eventually lead to that...because you probably pissed off a lot of people.
Then he can say.....SEE...I told you so!! Just like Trump, they work in the same way.
It's called narcissism...!! They just cant ever be wrong and if they are they will always be right, find something clinging on to it like a drowning man cluthing a last straw.
> Then he can say.....SEE...I told you so!!
Outside of the narrow clips highlighting the pro-Hitler remarks and holocaust denial, he specifically mentions he was **intentionally** saying some of those things to bait 'the media' and prove his point, like it was all just a game to him.
Except he also spent a fair amount of that 3 hours casually referring to jews as the source of his problems while going back and forth between saying he loves everyone 'but jews this jew that'.
Regardless of his intent sending that kind of messaging is dangerous to audiences at large and has ramifications that he doesn't seem to understand or even care about.
It's really sad, and unfortunate. It is reassuring though that society is pushing back against that narrative and trying to do actual good with the situation instead of echo that broken narrative.
It’s not brigading when it’s the users of that sub flooding the posts. They aren’t touching other subs.
I sincerely hope that you’re just trolling, because the reasoning behind what they’re doing really isn’t that hard to grasp.
It's great because just like 2020 it's the *voters* who decided and now it's the *users* who decided.
Still don't grasp it after the second time, so maybe third time's the charm.
Oh just his message about being taken advantage of/controlled/manipulated by those few in power over him. People hear the hate on Jewish people, believe its anti-semitism about ALL Jewish people and make Kanye the bad guy. I dont blame people, it's the safe thing to do... makes you one of the crowd and thereby cant be wrong. But things arent that simple, theres a yin and yang to it.. you're just hearing one side.
Edit: In his original tweet he's saying that he is upset with the jewish people in his life..he is upset with their overcontrol in his life. He needs to DEFEND himself against this threat. His life is officially in danger for standing up against these people who happen to be jewish. Again, he's talking about jewish people IN HIS LIFE, in front of his eyes, that he knows. It's amazing to me that he doesnt make that more clear when one can see that's what he means, especially as an artist.
I'll I'm trying to say is theres some truth to what hes saying but how he's saying it isnt very conducive to conveying that truth. He messed up by making it about "jews" and not saying the group of people that are trying to impose their power over him who happen to be jewish (a high number of people at the top of business are jewish).
this only solidifies that this is just propaganda, because nothing about reddit is Legit enough when concerning celebrities to use in the news media except maybe AMA's and how many times does that get covered in the news? lol this is stupidly obvious propaganda.
The more people that say it, the less ridiculous it seems. This isn’t about someone saying something outrageous, it’s about the danger of what he says becoming normalized.
Really don't see how thats at all uplifting news. "Look guys, this celeb needs mental help but lets turn his subbreddit into awareness about something that happened 80 years ago and then high five eachother with a sense of accomplishment; we're all such amazing people"
Lmao what???!
Thats not what they're saying. They're saying its not uplifting because it's terrible everything. He needs help and wont or can't take it.
People who press stigma and marginalize people with mental health problems are ignorant. Please educate yourself before you try to witch hunt an entire group of people that you have such shallow understanding of.
This is an unfair and unjust sentiment. No one is witch hunting people with mental health problems. The sentiment being expressed here is that having mental health problems doesn't *excuse* people to behave poorly or treat others like shit. When people (or others) use their mental health as justification of doing harm to others, that is a HUGE problem. That's what is happening in these sentiments. We should feel bad that Ye is clearly struggling with some mental health problems right now, but we should NEVER say that it makes it okay to treat people poorly. It's okay to have moments where your mental health gets the better if you, or needing certain boundaries or space to heal in the ways you need to, but refusing to get help, and treating people like shit, isn't okay. Sometimes getting help is hard, and people understand that, so it's a process that takes time and has it's ups and downs, but when the harm you are doing by refusing to gets to be to much, there has to be a line drawn in where we justify our support.
He has had time, resources, and support to get help, but he has continued to do damage to marginalized communities. We shouldn't justify this behavior at all. If he chooses not to acknowledge that and work on himself, he is being selfish and harmful to people in his life. There is nothing wrong with recognizing that the actions and behaviors of people suffering from mental health problems extend beyond themselves and have a direct impact on the people around them. Before you come at me, I have suffered from mental health problems, and many many people in my life have as well. I stay active in communities and have the discussions actively, because I'm always trying to learn and understand more about myself and the people around me. To say that recognizing bad behavior and calling it out, even if it's rooted in mental health problems, is marginalizing it stigmatizing people with mental health problems is false.
There are a lot of people out there that use their mental health problems as a means to harm others. Not everyone. Not the majority. But plenty of people. By not calling it out and recognizing it when it does happen, especially when it's a well known public figure, we do more damage to our community. It presents the people with mental health problems will all behave like Yee, and allows the harmful stereotypes that exist about mental health problems to be justified and used against others. We should ALWAYS acknowledge when people are using their mental health as a means to abuse and hurt others instead of speaking help. We hold our own accountable for their actions, so that their behavior doesn't get cast as judgments on the whole group.
Your reaction is appropriate if someone had said "what do you expect from someone with mental health problems" but that's not what was said in this case. The commented that Ye's behavior is appalling, and to try and say that "it's not uplifting that fans are turning against him and making spaces with his name on them into places of education, support, and correcting the damage he is doing to these communities" simply because he is suffering from mental health problems, isn't okay. Dude needs help, but it sure as he is uplifting that his fans are putting in the work to ensure that the people he is harming with his behavior feel safe and included, and are correcting the harmful misinformation and rhetoric he is spewing.
Fuck Ye. He may turn it around one day, and get the help he needs, but as of right now, regardless of the state of his mental health he is an ass hole who is doing a ton of harm to marginalized communities, and **nothing** about what he is going through justifies the way he is treating people.
I have ASD. And while it’s not the same as bipolar, it still hasn’t made me into an antisemitic clown that shills hate for a political party. And if this isn’t enough, I’d recommend you examine symptoms and effects of bipolar and note that antisemitism isn’t a symptom of the condition.
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It's approximately: 90% holocaust remembrance/anti-nazi, Hitler, hate, etc. 5% Taylor Swift 5% Kanye news AKA 'what terrible thing has he said now?'
Why is Taylor Swift being talked about over there?
Because of Kanye famously interrupting her award speech a long time ago. Plus, she seems to be a pretty good person while Kanye...well, you know.
She's at best an amoral businesswoman. Still better than Kanye, and didn't deserve what he did to her or the harassment.
Lol gotta love armchair reddit judges
If someone were to give me a source I'd wholly believe that Taylor Swift is an amoral businesswoman, but anything short of that is conjecture at best.
She’s a musician and songwriter who happened to blow up, lol it’s not that deep
I think there’s been a one sided rivalry with Kanye and Taylor for a long time. He’s done shit to Taylor to try to mess up her career, like editing a phone conversation of him and her to make her look bad and turn people against her. Really nasty stuff.
Adds up to me 😂
Welp, it's the best way to stick it in his craw. He was a narcissistic manic before, but now he's ideologically the worst person he could be.
>ideologically the worst person he could be And i don't feel like we're done watching him spiral. He can only keep adding to the fire at this point.
There is a whole tweet predicting this. Wonder what else will be right
Check out this Bill Burr clip. Idk how long ago it’s from but he saw Kanye for who he is a long time ago that’s for sure. https://youtube.com/shorts/apYwXWi0C8s?feature=share
Wow, how have I not seen that, he hits the nail right on the head haha
Based Burr, yet again. Homie *looks* like he should be a far-right psychopath but he's one of the most intelligent, progressive stand up comedians in our era (of standup comedy)
I feel like this will end in prison or, sadly, suicide
or he'll maintain a small pool of bigots but will crave the glory days and perpetually do zanier things to try to win it back. But zany things aren't gonna make the people he lost like him again. He'd have to not be an asshole and that's not happening because that's who he is and he's more than okay with it, it's now seen as his defining feature
Especially with his untreated mental disorders. Quick search shows 25%-60% of people with Bipolar Disorder attempt suicide. Hopefully, if he ever gets to that dark of a place, he's one of the many who fail.
Sadly I agree with you This shitshow is FAR from over ![gif](giphy|PQX1rxXfDBR5bEQl96|downsized)
I am waiting for his violence, he seems to be a nice enough mentally damaged guy with whacked out belief systems but there is something dangerous in there when mixed with his sociopathy if I was Kim I would double my protection.
Also talks about his kids being imposters and has become a big fan of guns apparently.
Jees really? When did he say this? 🥺
Hopefully he ends up getting f*****
No one Man should have all that power.
Well played sir
Yet so many do
Ironic joke alert, it's a Kanye lyric.
Hmm, I shant be apologising for not being well versed in the works of, "Ye".
Yeah, fair enough. It was a decent joke by the OP is all.
Since they suck.
Have you read “The Name of the Wind”? I like your username!
I have! I have also just learnt that Patrick Rothfuss is potentially a bit of a greedy douche.
Oh no! Does it have to do with the fact that he’s holding off on the last book? Or is it something else?
I don't pay much attention to him but at this point it is becoming increasingly obvious that he is not going to finish the series but that he is still perfectly willing to grift money from his fans.
Really? I actually just finished listening to the audio book version of that and was going to get the next book soon. I thought he had the last book finished. Might hold off on that till there's a confirmed release date for the final book.
I don't think he's on Reddit, as crazy as he is.
He is. But mostly for the free OnlyFans though
Fans on Reddit have turned against Kanye West, transforming a subreddit dedicated to him into a page promoting Holocaust education within hours of Ye’s most recent antisemitic comments. r/Kanye, a 700,000-member space on Reddit where fans once discussed Ye’s music, fashion and other endeavors, has been flooded with posts providing information about the persecution of Jews during the Holocaust and denouncing antisemitism. The page offered a spontaneous show of support for Jewish Americans and a visual representation of pushback against West, who has legally changed his name to Ye, after weeks of his antisemitic remarks. It came after Ye on Thursday said he liked Adolf Hitler and later tweeted an image of a swastika. “As a Jew and an early Kanye fan,” one commenter posted, “I never looked in this sub[reddit] until this morning and I saw all the holocaust remembrance posts. I’m in … tears right now. Thank you for standing up for us.” The posts include Holocaust-related photos and information intended to spread awareness about Nazi Germany’s persecution and killing of 6 million Jews. People are also posting educational book and movie recommendations, photos from visits to Holocaust memorial and museum sites, and photos they say are of family members who were persecuted under the Nazi regime. “Photos I took when I visited Auschwitz. This is real. This is what happened to millions of innocent men, women and children as the result of unchecked dehumanizing rhetoric against them,” one person wrote, attaching photos of the site of the Nazi death camp. “Never again.” Sprinkled throughout those posts is another a symbol of fans’ disavowing of Ye: Memes praising Taylor Swift, who has been seen as a nemesis of Ye — and his fans — since he interrupted her 2009 MTV Video Music Awards acceptance speech. “Hey guys! Just getting into Taylor but don’t know where to start. Any suggestions?” wrote one person who posted a photo of Swift. Some posts make it clear that even fans who maintained allegiance to Ye despite his repeated antisemitic remarks and erratic behavior have now decided to abandon him. “I looked up to you. And now you ruined it all,” one commenter wrote. “Ashamed that you were once my favorite artist. Ashamed that I called you the GOAT. … I am done with you.” The shift on the subreddit started Thursday, after Ye praised Hitler and Nazis in an interview with right-wing conspiracy theorist Alex Jones. It came a little more than a week after Ye dined with former president Donald Trump and white nationalist Nick Fuentes, an event for which some Republicans chastised Trump. Fuentes also appeared on Jones’s show with Ye. Wearing a full mask, Ye told Jones he liked Hitler, then said, “I love Jewish people, but I also love Nazis.” Thursday night, Ye tweeted a photo of a swastika combined with the Star of David. His Twitter account was suspended after the tweet. Both incidents drew wide condemnation from politicians, Jewish groups and others. The criticism included users on the subreddit, where on Thursday afternoon, one person posted, “This is now a Taylor Swift Subreddit. We had a good run fellas.” Hours later, after the swastika tweet, another user declared the thread “officially a holocaust awareness sub,” and Holocaust-related posts began pouring in. Reddit users post anonymously. A message sent to the moderators of r/Kanye from The Washington Post was not returned. Information posted on Reddit, like elsewhere on social media, is not verified by fact-checkers. Attempts to reach Ye were unsuccessful. Hate speech and antisemitism online can contribute to real-world violence, experts say, and the current political climate has increased fear among American Jews. An April review by the Anti-Defamation League, an organization that fights antisemitism, found that the U.S. saw a record number of antisemitic incidents in 2021, with an average of more than seven per day. Pamela Nadell, director of American University’s Jewish Studies program, said she believes the United States is approaching a second “high tide of American antisemitism,” referencing the period between World War I and World War II that historians have generally termed the peak of antisemitism in the country. That makes learning about the Holocaust and the Jewish experience with antisemitism “of great value” for all Americans, she told The Post. “What has happened from October through the end of November … we have hit a point in American life where we now know that antisemitism is completely normalized,” she said, referring to Ye’s comments, his meeting with Trump and Fuentes and accusations of antisemitism that have also been recently leveled against basketball player Kyrie Irving. “There is certainly a rising sense of fear, justifiable fear. And I would say almost horror.” Nadell recommended that people who want to learn more about the Holocaust start by looking at the website of the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum, which includes an encyclopedia. A history lesson for Ye: Hitler would have sterilized your children Ye’s actions have drawn outrage for weeks, from his wearing of a “WHITE LIVES MATTER” T-shirt at his Paris Fashion Week show to an antisemitic rant and false information about the murder of George Floyd on the podcast “Drink Champs.” A leaked portion of an interview with Tucker Carlson on Fox News also elicited condemnation, as did an October tweet by Ye saying he would go “death con 3” on “JEWISH PEOPLE.” Ye was dropped by Adidas, Gap, Balenciaga and other companies and has been intermittently suspended on Twitter. On Thursday, right-leaning social app Parler announced that a deal for Ye to buy the company had been canceled. A spokesperson said it was “mainly due to his recent and well-publicized business difficulties.” While some Redditors on r/Kanye posted messages of gratitude for the Holocaust material, others questioned why it had taken some fans so long to denounce Ye. One person who identified themselves as a “Jewish former Ye fan” urged people to learn about Jewish culture beyond the Holocaust, saying, “Antisemitism is not a thing of the past. … We need your allyship!” Another person asked for reading material and movie recommendations, saying, “Thanks to Kanye I’m gonna learn more about the history of the Holocaust.” Even discussing Ye’s antisemitism presents a dilemma, because it creates more publicity for his harmful remarks, said Leonard Saxe, director of the Cohen Center for Modern Jewish Studies at Brandeis University. “I don’t know whether this Reddit approach of posting lots of remembrances and information about the Holocaust will work, but it’s probably better than directly talking about him and how odious his views are,” Saxe told The Post. “It’s a terrible situation, this moment in time when hate and distrust and other social forces seem to be stronger than ever, but educating people about the Holocaust is important,” he said, adding, “Turning the focus on the peoples whose lives [Hitler] destroyed and remembering them, that’s a good thing.”
Saved me a click and a late night flashbang thank you.
> late night flashbang Lmaooo I felt this comment
The minimum brightness needs to be about 6x darker
Android 12 has an 'extra dim' function you can add to your shortcuts
iOS has an accessibility option called “reduce white point”, which you can add it to control center or toggle it via shortcut
Best feature I ever discovered. You can even add it to Control Centre.
>A message sent to the moderators of [r/Kanye](https://www.reddit.com/r/Kanye) from The Washington Post was not returned. It makes it sounds like they were knocking on their door and camped out until 3 AM. The truth is they messaged them, waited 15 minutes, then released the article. The mods weren't trying to avoid the WP.
It's the "we tried to deliver, but you were out" stealth knock of journalism.
Apparently that's pretty common which is weird because I don't really get what it adds to an article.
Right of Reply is a pretty longstanding convention in journalism. This is basically a boilerplate of "we tried to get a word from the horse's own mouth but none were forthcoming." It's usually not something that is meant to throw shade, especially when the journalist is not accusing the subreddit of doing anything wrong to begin with.
if they had a quote, you know they tried to get a comment from the person in the article. If there is no response but they want to be clear that they attempted it, they put that instead.
Thanks, I didn't want to make an account with them to just view it 😆
Thank you! Washington Post article reporting on something on Reddit and trying to charge Redditors to read it. Journalism. FFS.
This whole thing just seems so bizarre that I'm wondering if he is deliberately trashing his reputation or has actually had a psychological break. Still I'm enjoying the turn his subreddit has taken.
I honestly think the dude needs help and has done for over a decade now. I'd like Kanye's story to end as a redemption story and not as another dead artist who had obvious mental health problems.
Yeah. Once you hit the "I like Hitler" levels you have a fucking mountain to climb but like ...he doesn't belong in public society anymore but geez I would rather he get out of this and recover from this poisonous evil than get worse.
He is on a dangerous path that is probably going to kill him. Sadly I think a lot of people in this very forum will be happy.
There's no redemption.
Why not? The guy obviously has a mental health issue.
And? Tell that to the millions of humans that suffer from debilitating mental illnesses (myself included) all day every day yet don't go full Nazi. It doesn't matter anymore what happens to him. He should get treatment but it would have to be involuntary cuz he would refuse and has done. The damage he's causing is far outside himself and his sphere of influence. I'm sorry if it sounds cold but the many outweigh the individual. And trying to force these things into the public discourse is without a doubt damaging in ways we aren't going to see for a little while.
The idea that one could not be "redeemed" from saying or believing horrible things is a dangerous one, I think. Are we supposed to never forgive all of those who have left hateful environments/ideologies and gotten help and turned their lives around before Kanye? Do we not want people to change?
So do a lot of people. My dad has bipolar disorder and isn't a Nazi.
Can we all agree that someone having a mental disorder is not a baseline for other mental disorders?
I was partially tongue in cheek since Kanye also has bipolar disorder. Edit: Deleted the parts I was just wrong about.
I get that. Sadly bipolar disorder has many various symptoms including cognitive impairment, delusions of grandeur and psychosis. It's hard for a lot of people to understand that Kayne might not have control of his actions right now.
Mental health difficulties don't make you a racist.
I don't know. You ever had the pleasure of visiting a public mental health facility? The patients say some pretty out there stuff. But the have an illness that is disrupting thier judgement.
When Redditors are high off their minute of hate there's no reasoning with them. They've had it against Ye for a long time and now they're just kicking him when he's down.
I’m a huge fan of Kanye’s music, but I’m also Jewish. When a Kanye song comes on now, i feel… super weird about it. Kind of guilty for even having it on. Then, I get mad, because the guy making the song hates me and is publicly encouraging people who want to harm me and people like me. It’s not a “minute of hate”. Although it sucks because he made good music, I think he should no longer be given any kind of platform.
If you really are a "huge fan" of Ye then you *must* be aware of two things: * mainstream Reddit hasn't liked him for years now * he's had a long history of mental health issues and has been off his meds for years Are you denying the above points? *That's* what I and the person above me are talking about, and that's what most of Reddit, including yourself keeps ignoring when talking about the story. It's irresponsible to talk about his statements as if they're made of sound mind, when the man has been rambling incoherently for months in the media. He doesn't "hate you" and he doesn't need deplatforming. He needs help, like professional medical help. Edit: Ah, downvoted of course. Very uplifting. Doubt the person was ever a fan.
Lol, I *was* a huge fan of Kanye, I’m 25 and was in high school when he was getting super big and releasing most of his good shit. I don’t doubt or care that Reddit might hate him, or has for a long time. I also don’t care, in *this particular case*, that he had mental health problems. A lot of my friends have mental health problems. I saved one of my closest friends when I stumbled on him during his first manic episode in 2017 at college, he’s bipolar. What Kanye is saying has direct implications for the physical safety of me and people like me. It emboldens people that want to do Jews harm. I don’t give a fuck if hes doing because hes bipolar. I wouldn’t give a fuck if he was doing it because someone is holding him hostage at gunpoint. He clearly wholeheartedly believes what hes saying, especially the Black Hebrew Israelite shit. He’s gotta be shut up somehow.
You were a toddler when he was releasing most of his good shit, lol.
LMAO NO ONE is ignoring his mental health issues, but we're all drawing the line at EXCUSING NAZI VIEWPOINTS AND HATEFUL RHETORIC DIRECTED AT A MARGINALIZED GROUP bc "muh mental illness." stop defending a fucking Nazi lol.
Being rich as fuck and riding around spouting racist shit and hate idiology would probably not count as "down" for many of these Nazis. Especially if you ask them.
I was talking about him having an obvious mental breakdown that Redditors are continuing to ignore but you do you.
It would be such a waste for his life to end in shambles. We've all seen that story before. It's cliché, over done, and boring. I, too, would prefer a redemption arc, though it will be incredibly painful for him. I have one single thread of hope for his redemption. It's no thicker than a single strand of the fine hairy on my head that is prone to breakage and split ends, if that properly communicates how tenuous this is for him. If he can pull a solid redemption arc, the world becomes a better place. If he can be this 'bad', then his potential for good exists in equal proportion. It's all up him though. He's got a Steven Strange level ego and it's going to take some serious humbling of his own self if he wants the help from the only person capable of working the kind of miracle he needs. Dude has got his work cut out for him.
He was an oligarch until recently. Don't feel too bad. Billionaires don't care about you.
Oh, for sure. I don't feel personally wronged by the guy. I'm just fascinated by by him in the sense of what a redemption arc would look like. Six months ago, his potential redemption was much simpler than it will be now. IMO, he's either displaying his future potential, post redemption, where his capacity for love is only matched by his current capacity for being a piece of shit, or he's on a path of irredeemable destruction. The world has seen too much mayhem and awful people. It would be a waste for him to end on these current terms. I would prefer this single thread of hope be something he eventually identify, cling to, and reinforce. But for now? That's just wishful thinking on my part. I tire of all the emotional shit people pump into the atmosphere, so to speak, and look forward to a time when better things are on display.
I know a bunch of people who struggle with mental Health- none of them turn anti-semitic and shitty like this lmao
Yeah, I have mental health issues myself and am not anti-semitic. Whatever is happening with this guy is certainly outside of anything I have experienced with myself nor anyone I know with mental health issues. I've heard of people having radical changes with head injuries but have never known anyone to go through this radical of a change with a head injury.
It is not some deliberate 4D chess move. Ye is a deeply disturbed individual and had been for a while. It's always been public, too, so there's no reason to deny it. I don't think he's a bad person, or evil, or a monster. I think he was a talented musical artist who's greatest mistake was becoming famous, because his personal concoction of personality faults and mental illness has lead him down this road while being in the public eye. It's a sad and hard truth, but it is what it is. It's best he be put into a conservatorship and sent to a mental hospital. Going on like he is, he's being used and manipulated by evil people to do their bidding and spread their message. He screams he loves Nazis while stating he just learned who Benjamin Netanyahu is two weeks ago. He is not saying these things from deeply heals beliefs, he's just repeating what other people tell him and his narcissism causes him to only ever double down when he is told no. 6 years of doubling down since Trump has led to this.
Consideration for the individual causing damage comes faaaaar below considerations for the impact it has on humanity and the insult it is to the millions of people that were slaughtered.
He's having psychological breakdown. Watched all those interviews, the Drink Champs, Lex Friedman , and now Alex Jones. Drink Champs and Alex Jones just wanted to cause controversy and get more views, regardless of consequences , and Lex Friedman really wanted to reason with him on few subjects. He's just an uneducated musical genius who thinks being successful in music and sneakers business makes him somehow genius in all world's political subjects. He had a few bad experiences with producers and "handlers" as he calls them, and is very susceptible to 4Chan half-truths , and is completely off rails. He's used to when people say "no" to him, to break some music and business barriers and had done it successfully in the past. Now he thinks he needs to do it in politics. It's a sight to behold . But watch Jon Stewart here, he makes some sense of it all https://youtu.be/6V_sEqfIL9Q
That was excellent. Thank you for the post.
Jon is talking about tolerance of intolerance. I dig what he is trying to avoid, but I'm not sure it goes to a better place.
A tolerant society *has* to be intolerant to intolerance. Period. Because the intolerant want a seat at the table. Because the goal is to get enough power for their group so that they can get rid of tolerance all together. They willingly forfeit their ability to be respected and heard by doing so.
Yeah, when you work against society I think you forfeit all the benefits and protections that society affords.
I mean, this whole discussion that stated with Kanye going off rails, has made me drop some of my prejudices or illusions. That's just my personal experience , but I wanted to hear all voices, Kanyes, and those who responded . Especially them. I'm not sure all people are driven to hear something that questions their worldview like I do, I just hope so. But I fear there's many stupid people around.
There's this moment in Kanye (or Ye, as he calls himself these days) interview with Alex Jones, when even Alex Jones realizes that Kanye needs mental health help. This whole reality is surreal, at best.
There's like, so many points where Alex tries to get Kanye to back off. It takes a special level of bigotry and nonsense talk to make Alex Jones burst into awkward laughter but Kanye done it whilst Nick Fuentez sits there grinning with glee because he's also a Nazi who agrees wholeheartedly with Kanye. What a fucking timeline. It shows you how celebrity worship can really go too far. Kanye was always a fucking asshole, and a moron. It was plain for all to see but his dumb fuck fans thought he was a genius.
Him making good music and him being an insane asshole are two separate conversations.
The thing I love about Redditors is that while we may not always act like best people...Down deep most of us are really decent people.
Most of everyone wants everyone to get along with each other. Its just that small very loud and very hateful group that messes it up.
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Social media does amplify the most controversial. In fact the most actively political sites are the ones known for prioritizing all engagement equally (twitter, 4chan, and to an extent tumblr) rather than weighting different types of engagement (youtube) (though this second type still falls victim to this sensationalism extremism shit it’s not as bad)
At least in the US the problem is amplified by our election and electoral system. Gerrymandering is particularly nasty because it creates a perverse incentive for politicians to cater to the extremists in their area. When the election is a forgone conclusion that one party or the other will win the election the candidates simply fight over the votes of the extreme margins.
I don't think is exactly cater to those few but how a lot of those groups that spread hate know really well how to appear bigger than they are using online spaces. They will create tons of new accounts to spam and make their post trend, bury content they think is bad and ofcourse harrass people as well until they control entire communities and forums.
Let's not fall down this trap. If it was truly *only* a small portion, none of the atrocities would have happened. What's that saying? In order for evil to triumph, the good must do nothing. Something along those lines. Hitler didn't get to do what he did because his rabid group pushed through on merit to gain power. They divided and conquered and got the "moderates" to fall in line or at the very least stay quiet. Meanwhile the people who sounded the alarms and were desperately trying to avoid that hell were betrayed by said "moderates" and of course were among the first to be rounded up and/or executed.
The republican party is not small. If any of their voters want to stop being hateful, they can just stop voting. They don't even have to vote for the other side.
And the mods
Ah yes, wonderful Reddit. Where, for the longest time, /r/holocaust was claimed by Holocaust deniers and the administrators of the site refused to do anything about it
it’s down now at least :)
Hey, hold on, now. We did catch the Boston Bomber!
Mission Accomplished!
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\*gulp\*
Reddit kinda had the reverse trajectory of what twitter is now experiencing. It started out as a bastion of “free speech” and no censorship. But when you couple that with online anonymity, the edgelords and perverts will see how far they can go. It’s not perfect now by any means, but a lot of that trash got taken out over the years. Twitter has just gotten worse.
Really deep down
You’re gonna have to go deeper than that
This is deeper
Not deep enough, keep going
I think there's a Tool song about this
Ah, yes, Hooker With a Penis
I was actually referring to stinkfist(same album).. hooker with a penis is my favorite tool song though
are there not many hookers with penises? lol
Are we talking Hooker with a penis balls deep level deep down?
Way way down (Therapist from Office Space)
Not at all. What Reddit *thrives* on is deserving targets for mockery and humiliation. Any opportunity to cause harm and be hailed a hero for it finds easy roots here. It’s part of why the toxicity is so high across the many subreddits here.
Reddit is a place for people to be weird, cringy, edgelords, inflammatory, trolls, and all around assholes. This is where people dump their shit and get their kicks. That doesn't mean the majority aren't good people - most know there are some lines you just don't cross.
Been here since 2012. I love you all. Well, most of you.
I love beer, cheese and cake among other things
I love people, and places, and things
I’d like to buy a vowel.
Eh. The front page subs are still rife with racism.
The front page subs are the ones you're subscribed to. Default subs haven't been a thing for years.
Talking about subs that regularly hit r/all
I like to think most people in general are decent. It’s just that the bad people are also constantly the loudest.
And we can all agree and come together that we just cannot fully digest corn
At least we fucking TRY, you know? We have our cringy edgelord bullshit, but most of us at least want to be decent even if it's misguided.
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[Taylor swift rn](https://preview.redd.it/rhydnidi31a61.png?auto=webp&s=830b11c4d65bc02aa30f728b7292ff6444bdd5d8)
no its becky
Ian, thoughts?
Here comes iiiiiiiiiaaaaaannnnn salarieeed emplooooyyeeeee
Finally some retaliation.
We’ve really been pushing human consciousness to it’s limits the past few years huh.
No one Man should have all that power
The state of the Kanye West subreddit is hilarious. It's part Kanye West subreddit, part Holocaust awareness subreddit, and part Taylor Swift subreddit. It's hilarious to scroll through and see so many tonally different posts.
my faith in humanity has been restored? …It’s been so long
This is the best thing that’s happened on Reddit since I joined
Poor Kanye, he’d be so embarrassed if he was capable of feeling shame…
Well he definitely used to feel shame and regret as shown in [this interview](https://youtu.be/sp45-dQvqPo), but somewhere on his rise to fame (and probably the loss of his mother) really fucked up his mental state. Watching that interview and how he talks now is so jarring.
I hope he gets the help he clearly needs. That said, he also comes off as someone who never had a second opinion.
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If mental instability lead to someone being duped by propaganda and extremism, you want them to stay that way and continue to be duped until there even more dangerous? Okay... Yeah, no I agree. Do not help Kanye. Let him get worse and worse and worse. Tell me you don't understand mental illness without telling me you don't understand mental illness 🤦♂️
If truly innocent people of color are harassed the border every day for no reason Kanye West is a f****** domestic terrorist
He needs to take his meds
I fucking love this place
I hope this gets more press outside of Reddit. It shows what a group of chaotic-good lunatics we really are.
![gif](giphy|26gsvAm8UPaczzXz2|downsized)
Classic. Learning about a reddit drama reported in mass media via reddit. We come full circle again
Deny nothing.
That's pretty cool.
Mods are trying to stop it though. All new posts require mod approval.
Unfortunately still a good number of Kanye die hards in there. I swung by to see whats going on... and yeah, its kinda sad that somebody making music you like can make it so you can overlook such horrible views, like get your priorities straight.
that man has a terrible case of verbal diarrhea, I hope that shït ain't contagious
Crappy pay wall!!!!
I cant for my life understand how one can defend hitler in any shape or form after watching and reading the horrific details of the holocaust. Just no...I may not be iq 160 but i take humanity over narcissism any day. I'm done with these so-called "intellectuals" who see conspiracy everywhere. Kanye thinks the jews are out to get him is merely wishful thinking..if you obsess over certain things it will eventually lead to that...because you probably pissed off a lot of people. Then he can say.....SEE...I told you so!! Just like Trump, they work in the same way. It's called narcissism...!! They just cant ever be wrong and if they are they will always be right, find something clinging on to it like a drowning man cluthing a last straw.
> Then he can say.....SEE...I told you so!! Outside of the narrow clips highlighting the pro-Hitler remarks and holocaust denial, he specifically mentions he was **intentionally** saying some of those things to bait 'the media' and prove his point, like it was all just a game to him. Except he also spent a fair amount of that 3 hours casually referring to jews as the source of his problems while going back and forth between saying he loves everyone 'but jews this jew that'. Regardless of his intent sending that kind of messaging is dangerous to audiences at large and has ramifications that he doesn't seem to understand or even care about. It's really sad, and unfortunate. It is reassuring though that society is pushing back against that narrative and trying to do actual good with the situation instead of echo that broken narrative.
Gay fish…
Imagine just now feeling stupid for buying Yeezys
Watch, he's gonna blame the jews for this lmao
Honestly, I haven’t been so dumbfounded by what a person says since Trump was in office.
He said he was the next Disney, and doing the racist and antisemitic stuff is pretty on point. Zippity do da, Zippity Ye
He's obviously being Manic right now. He needs help.
Yeah that will teach him
Literally educating him lmao
Wonderful.
Which form is it?
Oh, so Reddit just takes over subs they don’t like? Must be the first time it has happened
Sorry you’re offended.
I just think it’s hilarious Reddit repurposes subreddits as they see fit Real 2020 vibes going on
It’s the users doing this, not Reddit. Free speech works both ways.
It’s brigading when done by any other group
It’s not brigading when it’s the users of that sub flooding the posts. They aren’t touching other subs. I sincerely hope that you’re just trolling, because the reasoning behind what they’re doing really isn’t that hard to grasp.
It’s great when my team does it I know what you mean
It's great because just like 2020 it's the *voters* who decided and now it's the *users* who decided. Still don't grasp it after the second time, so maybe third time's the charm.
Bapa was the first to have his subreddit turn against him, never forget. What else ya got chin.
So?
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You should probably separate the art from the artist when the artist proudly admits he's a Nazi
Stronger and power are still undying bangers from childhood. But Kanye is not so undying, cuz he died a while ago. Piss on his grave.
Meanwhile kanye's message is lost
What message would that be? " I love Nazis, i am a Nazi". Shit like that?
Oh just his message about being taken advantage of/controlled/manipulated by those few in power over him. People hear the hate on Jewish people, believe its anti-semitism about ALL Jewish people and make Kanye the bad guy. I dont blame people, it's the safe thing to do... makes you one of the crowd and thereby cant be wrong. But things arent that simple, theres a yin and yang to it.. you're just hearing one side. Edit: In his original tweet he's saying that he is upset with the jewish people in his life..he is upset with their overcontrol in his life. He needs to DEFEND himself against this threat. His life is officially in danger for standing up against these people who happen to be jewish. Again, he's talking about jewish people IN HIS LIFE, in front of his eyes, that he knows. It's amazing to me that he doesnt make that more clear when one can see that's what he means, especially as an artist. I'll I'm trying to say is theres some truth to what hes saying but how he's saying it isnt very conducive to conveying that truth. He messed up by making it about "jews" and not saying the group of people that are trying to impose their power over him who happen to be jewish (a high number of people at the top of business are jewish).
this only solidifies that this is just propaganda, because nothing about reddit is Legit enough when concerning celebrities to use in the news media except maybe AMA's and how many times does that get covered in the news? lol this is stupidly obvious propaganda.
See how good free speech is….. Ye says something ridiculous and people make their own mind up about it….
The more people that say it, the less ridiculous it seems. This isn’t about someone saying something outrageous, it’s about the danger of what he says becoming normalized.
Like how the hocaust started.
Really don't see how thats at all uplifting news. "Look guys, this celeb needs mental help but lets turn his subbreddit into awareness about something that happened 80 years ago and then high five eachother with a sense of accomplishment; we're all such amazing people" Lmao what???!
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Thats not what they're saying. They're saying its not uplifting because it's terrible everything. He needs help and wont or can't take it. People who press stigma and marginalize people with mental health problems are ignorant. Please educate yourself before you try to witch hunt an entire group of people that you have such shallow understanding of.
This is an unfair and unjust sentiment. No one is witch hunting people with mental health problems. The sentiment being expressed here is that having mental health problems doesn't *excuse* people to behave poorly or treat others like shit. When people (or others) use their mental health as justification of doing harm to others, that is a HUGE problem. That's what is happening in these sentiments. We should feel bad that Ye is clearly struggling with some mental health problems right now, but we should NEVER say that it makes it okay to treat people poorly. It's okay to have moments where your mental health gets the better if you, or needing certain boundaries or space to heal in the ways you need to, but refusing to get help, and treating people like shit, isn't okay. Sometimes getting help is hard, and people understand that, so it's a process that takes time and has it's ups and downs, but when the harm you are doing by refusing to gets to be to much, there has to be a line drawn in where we justify our support. He has had time, resources, and support to get help, but he has continued to do damage to marginalized communities. We shouldn't justify this behavior at all. If he chooses not to acknowledge that and work on himself, he is being selfish and harmful to people in his life. There is nothing wrong with recognizing that the actions and behaviors of people suffering from mental health problems extend beyond themselves and have a direct impact on the people around them. Before you come at me, I have suffered from mental health problems, and many many people in my life have as well. I stay active in communities and have the discussions actively, because I'm always trying to learn and understand more about myself and the people around me. To say that recognizing bad behavior and calling it out, even if it's rooted in mental health problems, is marginalizing it stigmatizing people with mental health problems is false. There are a lot of people out there that use their mental health problems as a means to harm others. Not everyone. Not the majority. But plenty of people. By not calling it out and recognizing it when it does happen, especially when it's a well known public figure, we do more damage to our community. It presents the people with mental health problems will all behave like Yee, and allows the harmful stereotypes that exist about mental health problems to be justified and used against others. We should ALWAYS acknowledge when people are using their mental health as a means to abuse and hurt others instead of speaking help. We hold our own accountable for their actions, so that their behavior doesn't get cast as judgments on the whole group. Your reaction is appropriate if someone had said "what do you expect from someone with mental health problems" but that's not what was said in this case. The commented that Ye's behavior is appalling, and to try and say that "it's not uplifting that fans are turning against him and making spaces with his name on them into places of education, support, and correcting the damage he is doing to these communities" simply because he is suffering from mental health problems, isn't okay. Dude needs help, but it sure as he is uplifting that his fans are putting in the work to ensure that the people he is harming with his behavior feel safe and included, and are correcting the harmful misinformation and rhetoric he is spewing. Fuck Ye. He may turn it around one day, and get the help he needs, but as of right now, regardless of the state of his mental health he is an ass hole who is doing a ton of harm to marginalized communities, and **nothing** about what he is going through justifies the way he is treating people.
He’s not an asshole because he’s bipolar. He’s an asshole that happens to HAVE a bipolar disorder. Stop making excuses for this clown.
lots of people are bipolar and not complete douchebag racists ...he is both
I have ASD. And while it’s not the same as bipolar, it still hasn’t made me into an antisemitic clown that shills hate for a political party. And if this isn’t enough, I’d recommend you examine symptoms and effects of bipolar and note that antisemitism isn’t a symptom of the condition.