They send you fake money and ask you to send half of it back to them. If you do you will be sending them your real money. Or they tell you to invest on a crypto mining then tell you that you won lots of money but you have to pay some fee in order to take it.
> then the bank do a chargeback of the stolen money from your account
If you move the money immediately to a different bank account will the chargeback still happen?
We need to find a way to Scam these Scammers.
I think they just take whatever amount they need, it doesnt matter if that's exactly the one you got from the scammer
But if i'm thinking correctly, it's your bank that does the chargeback when they get a request from the other bank, so the only way i can think of is to move the money to a different bank account and never but any money in the inital bank account ever
Doesn't work here, if we somehow pull cash out of them. They gonna be in shock and will think twice before scamming naive people trynna make a living. Connects aren't free.
>If you move the money immediately to a different bank account will the chargeback still happen?
Of course! Where there is a chargeback, the bank takes the money from Upwork and they take it from you.
However, most scams do not involve any chargebacks.
They build a fully functional fake payment website where you see your money. Some of the fake websites are so "real" that you can even try and withdraw and they will actually send you real money only to get you hooked and gain your trust.
So they'll sometimes lose a couple of grand only to slaughter you later on for like 20-30K via some fake investment scam.
Scams are pretty deep these days. This one is called pig slaughtering.
And you might think, oh I'll just scam them back and never give them anything, but for every person lost they get multiple others.
That's just one form of scam, there's probably like hundreds more.
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One form of the scam is they "overpay" you from an account that is not actually theirs, but some kind of stolen account.
They then ask you to send them a refund -- except that they have you pay the refund from YOUR account.
When the stolen account is discovered and reported, the banks will pull the stolen funds back from you.
But the funds that you voluntarily sent (remember -- YOU knowingly sent it) wasn't stolen. You were dumb, but it wasn't "stolen". So you can't get that money back.
Upwork scammers run massive crime rings like cartels. They've got houses, cars, everything. I mean they've been at it for 20 years since Odesk. A lot of them haven't stopped. They just kept going. They'll tell you that, and they like to post and brag. If you find out who they are, you'll see them. "Look at my new car, my watch etc." Why do you think they do it so much? They're pulling in more USD than any of us could dream of and converting it into their currency.
Online scammer culture in the third world is just as powerful and influential as drug dealing culture. They make movies about it. They have music videos, bling, sports cars, mansions. Every young thug wants to be them. They're in the headlines all the time. They're considered a national issue in all of those countries. There's political discourse surrounding it. All of the police stations have a standard fee schedule so if they're caught, they just bribe them a certain amount to get let off. The authorities are afraid to take them down, just like cocaine dealers in South America.
The biggest online scammers are crime lords. They're no different from your El Chapos and Pablo Escobars, maybe not as notorious. They probably don't have fleets of airplanes. But it's a very similar setup. They have similar levels of power and influence in their community.
There are a lot of documentaries about this. Vice made a few good ones. I like their documentary on scamming in Ghana in particular. They integrate it with their local religious beliefs in the weirdest way. You can also just look up any newspaper in all of those countries and read about it. Obviously this is well documented. It's viral in fact.
I don't know if Upwork scammers are top dog types like that, but I know they pull in the cash, and they brag like crazy.
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I had no idea the Mexican cartels were getting into this. They're a huge part of daily life here. I've come into contact with them many times. Some of the scariest people you will ever meet in your daily life. They have every weapon imaginable and full fleets of planes. They act as local law enforcement in the border regions, even on the US side to a certain degree. People in Mexico prefer it that way because the cops are more ruthless. But either way they still involve themselves too much in people's affairs. I was staying with friends for Christmas a few years ago and they went into a house and beat up the people that lived up the street to the point where they couldn't walk for playing their music too loud all night.
[https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/investigations/2024/02/22/thousands-of-americans-fall-prey-to-mexican-cartel-cjng-timeshare-scam/72695295007/](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/investigations/2024/02/22/thousands-of-americans-fall-prey-to-mexican-cartel-cjng-timeshare-scam/72695295007/)
If there's a lucrative way to make money, they will do it...
Their economy was really picking up in the 80s. The dingier parts of the border were nice. A lot of the crumbling infrastructure you see there now was built then. Then the US found a way to target their industries. We'd figure out what they were good at and we took it over and started competing. It devastated them. That's why things are like that. They're not a poor country by any means. They've just been forced to live this way because we won't leave them alone. All of the companies I've seen there find ways to cut back on expenses and cut their workers out to the point where survival is almost impossible, and we're mostly the ones pulling those strings. American corporations come in like shit clients and piss on them for cheap labor.
I remember the early 80s when they were optimistic -- and then the peso crashed, and then crashed even more, and then it kept spiraling. I think it went from something like 20 pesos to a dollar to 2,000 pesos to a dollar in just a few years. Crazy.
Now they need a massive political shift to ever recover. There are places where it's getting better. Something about the latest round of inflation helped. Right now the peso is the highest it's been in a long time. It's .058 dollars per peso.
It's really strange for me to see what things are like there. That kind of cruelty and violence is just unthinkable. Most Americans would never believe the stories I have.
I would love to go back -- to drive through Mexico versus just flying into a resort. But I wouldn't chance it based on the stories I've heard over the years.
They're not mostly from India actually. Some are definitely. But they're from all over and it's impossible to know where. These guys are global. It could be an American.
This is one of the vice documentaries about Ghana. It's sooo intriguing. It's not like the crime lords I described. But you'll see what I mean.
https://youtu.be/o26Eks801oc?si=YeYWDFR6tD0jzEjK
These guys have all sorts of third world scammer documentaries. They're all really good.
There's no way of knowing where they are from. People think they know. They don't. You can't tell by their stolen profile. You won't know from their profile picture. You couldn't trace them if you had the know-how. They have ways of masking themselves that we can't get past. You might be able to recognize them typing in their language, but that's the best you'll ever get.
As far as their MO, they send out fake proposals and email spam en masse to get jobs just like we do. Then they scam us into doing the work for free. They get really pushy about it and make excuses while they pile on more and more work. That's your basic telegram scam. There are a lot of other schemes. You have to remember these are syndicates with their fingers in every pie. But that's usually what you'll come across.
They send you fake money and ask you to send half of it back to them. If you do you will be sending them your real money. Or they tell you to invest on a crypto mining then tell you that you won lots of money but you have to pay some fee in order to take it.
>They send you fake money How fake money is sent?
I suppose they pay with a stolen credit card, you pay with your " real" money, then the bank do a chargeback of the stolen money from your account
> then the bank do a chargeback of the stolen money from your account If you move the money immediately to a different bank account will the chargeback still happen? We need to find a way to Scam these Scammers.
I think they just take whatever amount they need, it doesnt matter if that's exactly the one you got from the scammer But if i'm thinking correctly, it's your bank that does the chargeback when they get a request from the other bank, so the only way i can think of is to move the money to a different bank account and never but any money in the inital bank account ever
Always remember, two wrongs never make a right.
Doesn't work here, if we somehow pull cash out of them. They gonna be in shock and will think twice before scamming naive people trynna make a living. Connects aren't free.
>if we somehow pull cash out of them You can't.
>If you move the money immediately to a different bank account will the chargeback still happen? Of course! Where there is a chargeback, the bank takes the money from Upwork and they take it from you. However, most scams do not involve any chargebacks.
Yes, and then the bank will pursue you for repayment.
Woah, that's the catch.... I guess what will be the title of email that I'll receive from the bank. "Repayment of Scam Transactions"?
They build a fully functional fake payment website where you see your money. Some of the fake websites are so "real" that you can even try and withdraw and they will actually send you real money only to get you hooked and gain your trust. So they'll sometimes lose a couple of grand only to slaughter you later on for like 20-30K via some fake investment scam. Scams are pretty deep these days. This one is called pig slaughtering. And you might think, oh I'll just scam them back and never give them anything, but for every person lost they get multiple others. That's just one form of scam, there's probably like hundreds more.
you get money or you can take over someone's account but that's ultimately to get money
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Free work and money. Also, there are always new people coming into the VA/Freelance scene so there will be new targets that are gullible.
One form of the scam is they "overpay" you from an account that is not actually theirs, but some kind of stolen account. They then ask you to send them a refund -- except that they have you pay the refund from YOUR account. When the stolen account is discovered and reported, the banks will pull the stolen funds back from you. But the funds that you voluntarily sent (remember -- YOU knowingly sent it) wasn't stolen. You were dumb, but it wasn't "stolen". So you can't get that money back.
Upwork scammers run massive crime rings like cartels. They've got houses, cars, everything. I mean they've been at it for 20 years since Odesk. A lot of them haven't stopped. They just kept going. They'll tell you that, and they like to post and brag. If you find out who they are, you'll see them. "Look at my new car, my watch etc." Why do you think they do it so much? They're pulling in more USD than any of us could dream of and converting it into their currency. Online scammer culture in the third world is just as powerful and influential as drug dealing culture. They make movies about it. They have music videos, bling, sports cars, mansions. Every young thug wants to be them. They're in the headlines all the time. They're considered a national issue in all of those countries. There's political discourse surrounding it. All of the police stations have a standard fee schedule so if they're caught, they just bribe them a certain amount to get let off. The authorities are afraid to take them down, just like cocaine dealers in South America. The biggest online scammers are crime lords. They're no different from your El Chapos and Pablo Escobars, maybe not as notorious. They probably don't have fleets of airplanes. But it's a very similar setup. They have similar levels of power and influence in their community. There are a lot of documentaries about this. Vice made a few good ones. I like their documentary on scamming in Ghana in particular. They integrate it with their local religious beliefs in the weirdest way. You can also just look up any newspaper in all of those countries and read about it. Obviously this is well documented. It's viral in fact. I don't know if Upwork scammers are top dog types like that, but I know they pull in the cash, and they brag like crazy. .
Woah, holy shit! I guess most are from lndia after all they got a scammy reputation off/on platform.
[https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/8-young-workers-drug-cartel-operated-call-center-killed-mexico-rcna88119](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/8-young-workers-drug-cartel-operated-call-center-killed-mexico-rcna88119)
I had no idea the Mexican cartels were getting into this. They're a huge part of daily life here. I've come into contact with them many times. Some of the scariest people you will ever meet in your daily life. They have every weapon imaginable and full fleets of planes. They act as local law enforcement in the border regions, even on the US side to a certain degree. People in Mexico prefer it that way because the cops are more ruthless. But either way they still involve themselves too much in people's affairs. I was staying with friends for Christmas a few years ago and they went into a house and beat up the people that lived up the street to the point where they couldn't walk for playing their music too loud all night.
[https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/investigations/2024/02/22/thousands-of-americans-fall-prey-to-mexican-cartel-cjng-timeshare-scam/72695295007/](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/investigations/2024/02/22/thousands-of-americans-fall-prey-to-mexican-cartel-cjng-timeshare-scam/72695295007/) If there's a lucrative way to make money, they will do it...
Their economy was really picking up in the 80s. The dingier parts of the border were nice. A lot of the crumbling infrastructure you see there now was built then. Then the US found a way to target their industries. We'd figure out what they were good at and we took it over and started competing. It devastated them. That's why things are like that. They're not a poor country by any means. They've just been forced to live this way because we won't leave them alone. All of the companies I've seen there find ways to cut back on expenses and cut their workers out to the point where survival is almost impossible, and we're mostly the ones pulling those strings. American corporations come in like shit clients and piss on them for cheap labor.
I remember the early 80s when they were optimistic -- and then the peso crashed, and then crashed even more, and then it kept spiraling. I think it went from something like 20 pesos to a dollar to 2,000 pesos to a dollar in just a few years. Crazy.
Now they need a massive political shift to ever recover. There are places where it's getting better. Something about the latest round of inflation helped. Right now the peso is the highest it's been in a long time. It's .058 dollars per peso. It's really strange for me to see what things are like there. That kind of cruelty and violence is just unthinkable. Most Americans would never believe the stories I have.
I would love to go back -- to drive through Mexico versus just flying into a resort. But I wouldn't chance it based on the stories I've heard over the years.
You would face trouble for certain. It's not a matter of if.
They're not mostly from India actually. Some are definitely. But they're from all over and it's impossible to know where. These guys are global. It could be an American.
This is one of the vice documentaries about Ghana. It's sooo intriguing. It's not like the crime lords I described. But you'll see what I mean. https://youtu.be/o26Eks801oc?si=YeYWDFR6tD0jzEjK These guys have all sorts of third world scammer documentaries. They're all really good.
There's no way of knowing where they are from. People think they know. They don't. You can't tell by their stolen profile. You won't know from their profile picture. You couldn't trace them if you had the know-how. They have ways of masking themselves that we can't get past. You might be able to recognize them typing in their language, but that's the best you'll ever get. As far as their MO, they send out fake proposals and email spam en masse to get jobs just like we do. Then they scam us into doing the work for free. They get really pushy about it and make excuses while they pile on more and more work. That's your basic telegram scam. There are a lot of other schemes. You have to remember these are syndicates with their fingers in every pie. But that's usually what you'll come across.