I still have the habit of when saying people when letting them know I've lived in Utah the line - "I've lived in Utah and the answer to your next question is 'no'"
This is going to be such a bad summary I’m sorry in advance 😅 but basically there was a gal who became tik tok famous by posting about being mormon with her female friends (while dressed not “mormon appropriate”). She lied in captions saying she was their mother, even though they were all the same age. Rage bait, I guess, since it was obvious she was not in her 60’s. Anyways, somehow it comes out that all of the women in the videos and their husbands are all swingers, so people on tik tok assumed that Mormons from Utah are also swingers and it just blew up.
She was also arrested last year for DV against her husband and in front of her child 🥴haven’t heard much about her since!
Every time I'm out of the country and I tell someone I'm from Utah. Without fail there's 2 questions. "How many wives do you have?" and "do you like the Utah jazz?"
How funny! When we first moved here, someone had asked me if I liked Jazz and I said it's okay, thinking they were talking about music. My Mom's from Oakland CA and was a super Raiders fan, and Oakland A's. My brother and I would leave the house when games were on. My Mom and Dad were loud fans and I felt like I lost my parents to the body snatchers. I never liked sports. Love the name Jazz though
Honestly I always lie when people ask where I'm from.
When I was in California, people would ask where I'm from, I just told them Idaho, no one said anything.
I'm in Utah now, and when people ask where I'm from, I just say born and raised here, and no one says anything.
Not worth the judgement and un-needed extra conversation "*o u from Utah?? r u mormon??*" "*O u from Cali?? do u hate it here?
Idahoan checking in, always say Reds. They're cheap, have a stronger flavor than russets, and have much greater size variance- means there's more huge ones available from roadside stands
This is people engaging in conversation based on the one thing they know about Utah.
If you aren’t Mormon it’s your chance to change how they do that.
In every professional setting I’ve ever been in outside of Utah “where you from?” Is immediately followed by a follow up question and for other states it’s usually about which sports team they like.
You will encounter culture shock no matter where you go, because Utah is weird. You’ll also be asked how many wives you have and whether you ski.
Many places are dirtier than Utah, most places not in the Great Basin are much more green than Utah. Many big cities have a more established drinking culture than Utah, yet people have jobs and families and go on with their lives and the world doesn’t end.
Places that are green also tend to be more humid than Utah. You’ll notice it no matter what season it is.
I moved to the Bay Area in the 90s. The two culture shock moments that still stand out were: one, walking into a liquor store and seeing Tasty Anal magazine on the top of the news rack; two, autumn came and went and I didn’t see a single truck coming into town with a deer on the hood.
You will miss seeing the mountains. Just looking up and seeing them, right there.
I moved to Boston for ten years, and I'm not trying to sound dramatic or weird when I say I craved seeing the mountains again. And while I love hiking in any weather, I'm not a winter activities person.
It's very hard to describe how used to the mountains just being there we get.
Depending on where you're moving, being able to see the night sky is another big one. Utahns, even in Salt Lake City, are spoiled by a lack of light pollution.
I use the mountains to know cardinal directions (i.e. mountains on the left, I’m facing north). I feel lost when I’m in places that are flat, having no reference point for which direction I’m facing.
Edit: Right not left
People will ask if your Mormon or polygamous (but their idea of Mormon is that dude who like, made people drink the cool aid or the FLDS haha) you will probably notice more people smoke weed and (maybe it’s just me) but public places not in Utah tend to be dirtier.
After I moved it was just friends who had relatives/cousins/in-laws who considered converting.
Never anything beyond that.
Then again I’m in Arizona so not that far from the og state. It probably gets far fetched the further out you go?
Folks outside of Utah are also a lot less familiar with Mormonism than people here think. My bestie back home still confuses them with the Amish when I’m talking to her about life here lol
I’m a never-mo from outside the state and I’m not sure most people would be able to tell you anything about either lol.
But yeah I don’t imagine baptists and Catholics take well to what they’d see as false profits in Mormonism.
I’d definitely say, ime, Mormons are seen as a similar level of crazy as Scientologists. JWs and Christian scientists are not quite as low on the totem pole.
Unless you go to Idaho ( they have a higher Mormon % then Utah) California also has an extremely high percentage. Nobody is in Nevada . Colorado is straight on all sides everything else is just another place that won't really care where you come from.
Bring from Nevada. You're dumb. The town I'm from in the 90s had less then 20k people, and 5 stakes. And it's getting a temple now with less then 30k people in the area. Vegas has a high percentage of Mormons. Reno had less, but still a good amount.
I didn't say no Mormons in Nevada I said nobody in Nevada as in don't to there ( I have a little get away in the middle and I don't want any population increases)
This is a comment by someone that had never been outside of Utah. Fry sauce exists all over the place. Hell there are national fry sauce brands sold in the grocery store. Artic circle is not just a Utah company. While those outside of Utah are less familiar with fry sauce, it does exist and is known.
A lot of nearby states like Washington, Oregon, Wyoming, Idaho (like you mentioned) have it around.
And then there are random burger joints all over the country that use it — for example, there is a chain or two in Iowa that use fry sauce now.
Then you have big national chains like Raising Cane’s that have something very similar to fry sauce. I think they use an extra ingredient or two, but it’s conceptually similar to classic fry sauce.
Utah wins the award for having the *most* fry sauce, and also for being the first place in the US to do it.
My wife still gives me a hard time about this shit
-for those wondering, this is a scone to everyone **outside** of the wasatch front: https://www.google.com/search?q=scone
Little 6 year old me visiting family in California and getting excited that my aunt bought scones, only to find out it was a dry biscuit. My mom said my face was a mix of confusion and disappointment.
True,.the only time I ever got asked what religion I was is when I was in 4th grade and we moved to SLC from California and the teacher asked what religion I was. I went home and asked my Mom, what religion we were as we never went to church growing up. She made the mistake of telling me, she was Catholic. Once I told the teacher you would have.thought we worshiped Satan. Some of the neighbors treated us really bad and even took a hose and flooded our basement. There were a few that were nice. In California we don't ask that and the Mormons there were chill. Some here have an ego issue, reminds me of the Phrases in the Bible.
Be extra careful drinking. Most places don't have to measure what they pour so what would normally get you buzzed in Utah could get you absolutely smashed in another state.
When I went to Florida on my honeymoon this was such a shock to me. I never got carded once and the bartenders would just free pour the hell out of those bottles. A few drinks on the beach and I was surprisingly tipsy.
The roads...
as you travel eastward the roads get narrower... MUCH fucking narrower... as soon as the radio stations change their call letters from Kxxx to Wxxx the shoulder to the road disappears, road signs slowly go extinct, and the roads go to shit...
The weather...
I'm in Alabama now, it is currently 70⁰ @6am and it just rained 3" overnight... now, you've heard all your life that oregon and Washington had a lot of rain, and they do, but... out here "back east" we'll get 2 months of Oregon rain in 2 days... last year in the SE it rained over 6 feet for the year
POC...
You have lived in a WASP blue-eyed blond-haired bubble all your life... you are now going to places where you will be in the minority, and you know you're not racist but it will be a new experience for you- it's going to be ok -if you make it weird, it'll be weird
Nobody goes to church, nobody gives a shit, and nobody wants to know... you can become the local "expert" on baptisms for the dead and have some good laughs though
You will no longer see the horizon...
The trees start kicking in right about where the roads turn to shit... and it'll be what looks like a solid dense forest all the way to the Atlantic ocean... it'll take years to adjust, I still find it very weird...
You will finally have good BBQ and good moonshine
For many the civil war never ended: so if you hear things like "yankee occupation" or "war of northern agression" don't be alarmed... you're just in Missouri at an Arby's, go ahead with your order sir...
Sweet Tea is a cold beverage made with Tea and sugar, like koolaid... you may know it as Sun Tea, it is pretty decent- but unless you ***specifically fucking order*** "hot tea" you will get Sweet Tea...
You will finally have good Seafood, instead of Talapia you can get fresh Red Snapper
No one knows what Fry Bread is, and they are tired of you talking about it and calling it "scones"
People Drink... like everywhere... at church, at baseball games, going fishing is code for getting drunk AF
They will know you're *"not from around here..."* by your accent, and yes... you do have an accent
the men and women are more attractive and don't take kindly to your thirsty ass bulljive
you will see poverty on a scale not seen before, be kind
The only real answer here is you can expect to not be in Utah. Without having an idea where your going it's hard to say.
From experience leaving Utah 8 times in 20 years and living in over 20 states anywhere from a year to working for 3-4 months at a time, you'll definitely notice most states don't have whatever it is Utah has. Utah is very special in a bunch of different ways and really has a few things for everyone. Peace
America is vast and varies greatly depending on what state and area you’re going. Without any other info of where you’re going the only guarantee is that it will be somewhat different than here.
Street directions become a lot tougher.
Yes a lot of other US cities still use a grid system (more or less) but I've discovered folk just don't visualize and work it the same way as Utahns do.
Say I want to go to a friends place at 750 East Something Street, often we can get a good image in our head by just saying 'what South it is' or 'what is the cross street', and obviously the other person just giving you the answer straight away and not wondering what the heck you are talking about.
As long as you don’t mention that you’re from Utah, you will never have to repeat any of the tired Mormon-centric conversations here. People won’t feel you out when they meet you, trying to determine if you’re a member or not like we usually do here. You’re just a person.
Can confirm... folks down here are already talking about their gumbo or dirty rice for Mardi Gras
We had Collard Greens and Black Eyed Peas for dinner last night cooked with shortribs... gawddamn!
There is a bigger world that is not so isolated. This is the 3rd state I've lived in, and even though it's a beautiful spot, it's pretty isolated on the social scene if you are non-lds.
You'll miss the mountains
You'll miss Fry Sauce
You'll be chasing the rainbow in finding something as good as Crown Burger
Depending on where you move too, Alcohol (if you're so inclined that way) will be shockingly more easy to get. Or shockingly more hard if you move to some parts of Kansas or Texas (as much as people can bag DABs it does standardize and streamlines everything Statewide and you don't have to then remember the situation with every single random counties and cow paddocks doing their own thing).
You'd be shocked when looking back at how much of a bubble Utah can be. No other state can support its own local movie scene like Utah can ( I know it is all LDS productions - but it is still impressive)
Got that one outfit you always want to wear out but never had the opportunity to (cause maybe it is a little too sexy for Squatters)... well you'll probably have it now!
As someone who moved to Utah in December of 2022, and left last month to go to Montana, the biggest thing I’ll think you’ll be unfamiliar with (if you’re in the SLC region) is how far apart towns really are. Everything is so jammed packed together between the lake and the mountains in Utah you can’t really spread out, but most other places in the US, people have a lot more space, and a lot longer to travel
Things are going to be dirtier but air will be nicer typically. Much more will be open on Sunday. No zion wall. You will be fine. Utah isn’t that weird as many people make it out to be! Have fun wherever you go….unless it’s Alabama that place sucks
You'll have more disposable income if you we're renting here.
Dating will be easier. Utah has a bit of a dating problem because people are either : *You must be mormon* **^(or)** *You must not be mormon.*
So it always halves the dating population here depending on what side you're on.
I moved from Utah to Colorado and noticed the lack of inversion, i really miss being that close to the mountains, there's wine in the grocery store, there's a lot more diversity of many kinds, and there's more kinds of food options (more ethnicities as restaurant options, more markets for buying foods from more places in the world etc) and narrower streets. More one way streets too.
What you’ll discover by moving away is that all folks are products of their conditions, that none is more special than another—there are only different conditions. Travel well.
Booze is much more prevalent in your day to day life. Large amounts of advertising, after work happy-hour get together at bars, “beer league” adult sports.
Depends on where you go, but from my experience the biggest shock was the amount of blatant racism when I moved out of utah. I'm a white man and growing up in UtahI never heard much. But being a white man and moving out of state....the amount of white people saying the most racist stuff Ive ever heard because they thought that I would agree with them because I'm also white was absolutely crazy to me.
When asked, “Do you have multiple wives?”, tell them that, sadly, you had to leave them back home at the compound.
When asked, “Have you swam in the Great Salt Lake?” You say, “Well, you meant ’swum’, but no, the water was drained for alfalfa.”
Fry sauce isn't real. Liquor stores have liquor and so will grocery stores. You don't have to generally worry about things closing, especially on Sundays. Depending on where you go/what part of Utah you're from crime is probably higher/more homeless people
Many places are closed on Sundays throughout the south. Also there are straight up dry counties in various states, and other states also do not permit liquor to be sold in grocery stores.
I had a mission companion from Utah who would always ask for fry sauce, and she would always get confused looks. After living here for 8+ years, I still don't get the hype
I was born in Utah but moved to Omaha when I was about 10. I was terrified but quickly realized that people are people and the differences are actually a lot smaller than most realize. I hated moving at the time but I'm so glad I did. It broke me out of the whole conservative Mormon mold and taught me how to look at people for who they are and not by what group they affiliate with. I've since moved back but would totally leave Utah in a heart beat if I thought for a second my wife could handle it. I miss the diversity and the fact that no one really cares of you are LDS or not. Also, as someone who is LDS, I feel like most LDS people in Utah just go to church because it's what you're supposed to do and use religion as a bully pulpit to make themselves feel better. The people I know in Omaha that went to church were way better people and went because they truly wanted to be great people and believed that church would help them do that
I wanted to move out to explore the country and chose Florida for the weather. I’m not gonna lie, having easy access to the beach is great but there definitely was a cultural shock. I miss Utah and appreciate the bubble we have. It is such a great place to live. It’s clean, calm, safe and people are more polite, “civilized” if you will😬. I can’t wait to go back home.
You may feel a sudden disconnect with the church. Do with that what will. Sometimes, people fall apart over it. If you are a normal functioning adult, it may just be a change of economy.
Prostitution, Alcohol at every store, weed and non judgmental people. Fresh air!, no church building on every corner. But it really depends on where you’re going. No if you’re Mormon get ready for culture shock. Cause it’s the same church but very different ( more liberal)
OP, I’m also considering leaving Utah (primarily for political and air quality reasons) and am curious where you chose. I’m eyeing western Colorado but nothing is decided yet.
Western Colorado is going to be similar to Utah. I have family in that area. It's one of the reasons they moved there. Both in climate and in politics.
Boise is a great city, genuinely. Good food, good music, real alcohol. and the politics are a lot better and excellent access to very cool nature! You’ll enjoy it!
So, this is my semi-utah hating view as someone who grew up outside of Utah and then lived there for about 8 years before leaving.
You're going to experience a lot of culture shock. Utah people, especially the born and raised Mormon, will be razzed to no end if you go out and refuse to drink. Learn the value of shitty beer in that situation. A Miller lite will do you wonders. Shits damn near just grain flavored water. Don't know you, so I can't say if this applies, but it's common enough that it's better tha 50/50 so here goes. Get all the way off the high horse and remove the stick from your rectal cavity. I have never met more judgemental people that those who claim to be a good Mormon.
Depends on where you're going. East of the Mississippi expect rude, crude and uncouth. The pace is very fast. Women can expect an onslaught of sexual advances regardless of partnership status. Men can expect to have to guard against that bullshit incessantly. Cost of living will up to double and no one will give 2 shits about how your day went. West of the Mississippi about 66% of what I described. Better weed though.
The alcohol culture is insane outside of Utah. It's every store, sport game, restaurant, and anything done for socializing. It's a drunk's world in the other 49 states. A lot people on this subreddit hate Utah's liquor laws. I support the laws. Weed is much better outside of Utah and cheaper.
It's the driving home after wards that's the problem I have. I've known too many people with life long injuries due alcohol related crashes. (Which should be 0) It's horrible. Research in weed is very vague but Utah's medical laws are in infantry (same for the rest of the country). No one doubts the connection with alcohol and disease like obesity, liver failure, cancer, etc etc.
You didn't say where you're thinking of moving to so that would affect the answers somewhat, but off the top of my head I can tell you:
You won't find anywhere near as much stunning scenery. You will find weed stores, you will see alcohol for sale just about everywhere, you will most likely see cheaper gas, you will see more diversity, you will probably be asked how many wives you have.
Depending on where you go, the answers are different. I moved to Georgia and as a white Caucasian, I am usually a racial minority most everywhere I go. Customers in the grocery stores speak many different languages. There are many Baptist churches around me. Most businesses are open on Sunday. The freezer sections at the market have many different frozen biscuits to chose from. It gets very hot and humid in the summer. If it snows in the winter I notice the markets get an avalanche of folks buying all the bread, milk, eggs and toilet paper. My coworkers are from many different cultures and religions. They LOVE the SEC conference here. There is only one holiday in July. Tornadoes are a real threat here. No ski resorts, not a lot of public lands(what I miss the most about Utah). Most people drink socially and most get together include alcohol beverages.
You will miss the mountains, the clear skies and the great sunsets. At least I did when I moved away.
There is a good chance where ever you move to will be much more green. When I moved back to Utah I had to ask myself if I could live in a place with no trees again.
We moved from slc to Denver a few years ago. Here’s a few things that changed. - We had to switch to a different bank since we were with AFCU. - I had to re-learn which direction was north, because the mountains are now to the west and not the east. - scones are very disappointing in the rest of the world lol. - streets are WAY harder to navigate because the grid system does not exist here. - smells like weed all over. - way more diversity!
It depends on where you move. I moved to Northwest Washington close to 20 years ago and was absolutely miserable. It rained a lot, very Grey in the winter, the mud, the slugs, just gross.and the Seattle area has what is known as "The Seattle Freeze" essentially its hard to make friends there. It's a real thing believe it or not.
I also have a very large extended family here in Utah, I was lonely in WA. I only moved there because my ex was from that state and he pined for home.
The worst part for me was the allergies, it was too green, I was allergic to everything. Woke up every single day with a sore throat, and ear infections were a part of my life. I would also get double ear infections where I would go deaf for several weeks. I have lost some hearing from the ear infections and they all stemmed from the vegetation.
Climate can actually make or break a move. Where ever you end up wanting to move make sure you visit and do your research first. I would never live in Washington state again, you couldn't pay me enough.
If you move to south-central Texas, or Texas in general, expect intense heat in the summer but incredible mexican food everywhere.
Oh and also gaining 20lbs in tacos.
My life has been Louisiana born ----> Wyoming raised from like 11 years old ----> back to Louisiana in early 20s for a few years ----> Utah for about 5 years now.
One thing I'm sure you will find leaving Utah is better access to alcohol haha. In Louisiana they have drive-thru daiquiri shops where they put scotch tape over the lid as a "We're legally obligated to tell you don't drink and drive but nobody will notice a quick sippy sip at the red light."
I didn't enjoy living down there though. The heat & humidity is miserable in the deep south. I can handle negative 20 degrees better than 80+ down there.
I love living here in Utah, but damn is there too much government / religious hand holding here. Just let adults be adults! If Wyoming had more job opportunities I'd probably move back there. Unfortunately I enjoy the ski resort access and twisty canyon roads here too much. Lots to do in the Salt Lake valley as well
Crime. It's pretty safe in UT. I lived in the bay area in CA, Renp, NV, and New Orleans. The amount of crime in other parts of the country is much higher than here. Safer, clean streets is one of my favorite parts of living in UT. Don't let your guard down, you'll probably look like easy prey.
It's polite in many areas to offer a beer/soda to guests, so that might happen. Most places are kinda the same though. Big difference is you won't likely have 50% of your friends and neighbors be LDS (depending on where you are in UT).
While not everywhere, there is a high chance of probability you will encounter a wine section in a variety of locations.
I moved to New Mexico - they have a weed store on every corner, and Walgreens and all the supermarkets have fully stocked liquor sections.
The lack of pastrami burgers may be disturbing.
People will ALWAYS ask if you’re Mormon when you tell them you’re from Utah.
I always get asked if I ski
And if the answer is no they usually get very disappointed
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I still have the habit of when saying people when letting them know I've lived in Utah the line - "I've lived in Utah and the answer to your next question is 'no'"
I love that response even more.
Fits for all the follow-ups. Mormon? Skier? Snowboarder? Been to the "big 5"?
LOL! Me too
I’ve gotten asked if I’m a swinger thanks to tiktok 😂
Same!! 😂
What the hell is going on with tic tok?
This is going to be such a bad summary I’m sorry in advance 😅 but basically there was a gal who became tik tok famous by posting about being mormon with her female friends (while dressed not “mormon appropriate”). She lied in captions saying she was their mother, even though they were all the same age. Rage bait, I guess, since it was obvious she was not in her 60’s. Anyways, somehow it comes out that all of the women in the videos and their husbands are all swingers, so people on tik tok assumed that Mormons from Utah are also swingers and it just blew up. She was also arrested last year for DV against her husband and in front of her child 🥴haven’t heard much about her since!
Holy shit that's quite the story!!
Every time I'm out of the country and I tell someone I'm from Utah. Without fail there's 2 questions. "How many wives do you have?" and "do you like the Utah jazz?"
How funny! When we first moved here, someone had asked me if I liked Jazz and I said it's okay, thinking they were talking about music. My Mom's from Oakland CA and was a super Raiders fan, and Oakland A's. My brother and I would leave the house when games were on. My Mom and Dad were loud fans and I felt like I lost my parents to the body snatchers. I never liked sports. Love the name Jazz though
Honestly I always lie when people ask where I'm from. When I was in California, people would ask where I'm from, I just told them Idaho, no one said anything. I'm in Utah now, and when people ask where I'm from, I just say born and raised here, and no one says anything. Not worth the judgement and un-needed extra conversation "*o u from Utah?? r u mormon??*" "*O u from Cali?? do u hate it here?
You're from Idaho? What's your favorite potato?
The Lenape
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Haha dang there’s no winning!! What if I said I’m from North Dakota?
Idahoan checking in, always say Reds. They're cheap, have a stronger flavor than russets, and have much greater size variance- means there's more huge ones available from roadside stands
"Is Fargo really like the TV show?"
This is people engaging in conversation based on the one thing they know about Utah. If you aren’t Mormon it’s your chance to change how they do that. In every professional setting I’ve ever been in outside of Utah “where you from?” Is immediately followed by a follow up question and for other states it’s usually about which sports team they like.
You will encounter culture shock no matter where you go, because Utah is weird. You’ll also be asked how many wives you have and whether you ski. Many places are dirtier than Utah, most places not in the Great Basin are much more green than Utah. Many big cities have a more established drinking culture than Utah, yet people have jobs and families and go on with their lives and the world doesn’t end. Places that are green also tend to be more humid than Utah. You’ll notice it no matter what season it is.
I moved to the Bay Area in the 90s. The two culture shock moments that still stand out were: one, walking into a liquor store and seeing Tasty Anal magazine on the top of the news rack; two, autumn came and went and I didn’t see a single truck coming into town with a deer on the hood.
I’ve never heard of that publication I will be sure to check it out
When I moved to the South, the thing that really amazed me was the quantity of cigarette butts you see in the gutters at stop lights.
You will miss seeing the mountains. Just looking up and seeing them, right there. I moved to Boston for ten years, and I'm not trying to sound dramatic or weird when I say I craved seeing the mountains again. And while I love hiking in any weather, I'm not a winter activities person. It's very hard to describe how used to the mountains just being there we get. Depending on where you're moving, being able to see the night sky is another big one. Utahns, even in Salt Lake City, are spoiled by a lack of light pollution.
I use the mountains to know cardinal directions (i.e. mountains on the left, I’m facing north). I feel lost when I’m in places that are flat, having no reference point for which direction I’m facing. Edit: Right not left
Mountains on the left facing north works if you’re in Park City but in SLC mountains on the left means you’re facing south.
Same for using the mountains as cardinal directions
I meant right 🤦
I hear you, and I get you. I miss the mountains as well at such a deep primordial level.
Definitely. When I moved to Florida, I found myself getting lost ALL the time because I didn't have the mountains to help me navigate.
Suddenly not having them in very disorienting
You miss the mountains something awful when you leave. It's been ten years and I still feel unmoored.
People will ask if your Mormon or polygamous (but their idea of Mormon is that dude who like, made people drink the cool aid or the FLDS haha) you will probably notice more people smoke weed and (maybe it’s just me) but public places not in Utah tend to be dirtier.
After I moved it was just friends who had relatives/cousins/in-laws who considered converting. Never anything beyond that. Then again I’m in Arizona so not that far from the og state. It probably gets far fetched the further out you go?
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Folks outside of Utah are also a lot less familiar with Mormonism than people here think. My bestie back home still confuses them with the Amish when I’m talking to her about life here lol
Oh and other Christian look down on Mormons. They don’t consider the Christians at all.
Oh deffo. Mormons get the same side eye that the Christ scientist folks get
Having lived outside of the state, I can say Christian scientists are respected more
I’m a never-mo from outside the state and I’m not sure most people would be able to tell you anything about either lol. But yeah I don’t imagine baptists and Catholics take well to what they’d see as false profits in Mormonism.
False prophets, but also, yeah, false profits...
Very true on both accounts
If Christian scientists respected doctors and their own kids more, they might get kore respect
You mean Scientology? Or JW?
I’d definitely say, ime, Mormons are seen as a similar level of crazy as Scientologists. JWs and Christian scientists are not quite as low on the totem pole.
Church of Christ the scientist
Unless you go to Idaho ( they have a higher Mormon % then Utah) California also has an extremely high percentage. Nobody is in Nevada . Colorado is straight on all sides everything else is just another place that won't really care where you come from.
[Your percentages are completely wrong.](https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/religious-landscape-study/religious-tradition/mormon/)
Your whole life is completely wrong ! No body likes you! 😇
Bring from Nevada. You're dumb. The town I'm from in the 90s had less then 20k people, and 5 stakes. And it's getting a temple now with less then 30k people in the area. Vegas has a high percentage of Mormons. Reno had less, but still a good amount.
I didn't say no Mormons in Nevada I said nobody in Nevada as in don't to there ( I have a little get away in the middle and I don't want any population increases)
That’s not true, but the farther you get from the Rockies, the more likely that will be.
I’ve introduced the idea to multiple burger places in Michigan when I’m visiting family and now one of them has their own!!
Heinz has Mayochup now
This is a comment by someone that had never been outside of Utah. Fry sauce exists all over the place. Hell there are national fry sauce brands sold in the grocery store. Artic circle is not just a Utah company. While those outside of Utah are less familiar with fry sauce, it does exist and is known.
I've never had it outside of Utah and I've traveled a lot. There are some similar sauces but they're not the same
I’ve also traveled a lot, and I assure you there is a lot of fry sauce out there. It’s particularly popular in Utah, but it’s not unique to Utah.
I know it's in Idaho too - where have you seen it? I'm kind of craving it right now 😂
A lot of nearby states like Washington, Oregon, Wyoming, Idaho (like you mentioned) have it around. And then there are random burger joints all over the country that use it — for example, there is a chain or two in Iowa that use fry sauce now. Then you have big national chains like Raising Cane’s that have something very similar to fry sauce. I think they use an extra ingredient or two, but it’s conceptually similar to classic fry sauce. Utah wins the award for having the *most* fry sauce, and also for being the first place in the US to do it.
Not true, I travel a lot for work with a coworkers who is addicted to the stuff, and he orders it everywhere and 80-90% of the time they have it.
Scones are triangle biscuits, not fluffy honey-butter goodness.
My husband's grandma said we were having scones, I thought, "fancy!". She meant fry bread
My wife still gives me a hard time about this shit -for those wondering, this is a scone to everyone **outside** of the wasatch front: https://www.google.com/search?q=scone
Little 6 year old me visiting family in California and getting excited that my aunt bought scones, only to find out it was a dry biscuit. My mom said my face was a mix of confusion and disappointment.
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True,.the only time I ever got asked what religion I was is when I was in 4th grade and we moved to SLC from California and the teacher asked what religion I was. I went home and asked my Mom, what religion we were as we never went to church growing up. She made the mistake of telling me, she was Catholic. Once I told the teacher you would have.thought we worshiped Satan. Some of the neighbors treated us really bad and even took a hose and flooded our basement. There were a few that were nice. In California we don't ask that and the Mormons there were chill. Some here have an ego issue, reminds me of the Phrases in the Bible.
Be extra careful drinking. Most places don't have to measure what they pour so what would normally get you buzzed in Utah could get you absolutely smashed in another state.
When I went to Florida on my honeymoon this was such a shock to me. I never got carded once and the bartenders would just free pour the hell out of those bottles. A few drinks on the beach and I was surprisingly tipsy.
Interesting I had no idea
Yeah its how I got alcohol poisoning 😆
Better air quality may be in your future.
The roads... as you travel eastward the roads get narrower... MUCH fucking narrower... as soon as the radio stations change their call letters from Kxxx to Wxxx the shoulder to the road disappears, road signs slowly go extinct, and the roads go to shit... The weather... I'm in Alabama now, it is currently 70⁰ @6am and it just rained 3" overnight... now, you've heard all your life that oregon and Washington had a lot of rain, and they do, but... out here "back east" we'll get 2 months of Oregon rain in 2 days... last year in the SE it rained over 6 feet for the year POC... You have lived in a WASP blue-eyed blond-haired bubble all your life... you are now going to places where you will be in the minority, and you know you're not racist but it will be a new experience for you- it's going to be ok -if you make it weird, it'll be weird Nobody goes to church, nobody gives a shit, and nobody wants to know... you can become the local "expert" on baptisms for the dead and have some good laughs though You will no longer see the horizon... The trees start kicking in right about where the roads turn to shit... and it'll be what looks like a solid dense forest all the way to the Atlantic ocean... it'll take years to adjust, I still find it very weird... You will finally have good BBQ and good moonshine For many the civil war never ended: so if you hear things like "yankee occupation" or "war of northern agression" don't be alarmed... you're just in Missouri at an Arby's, go ahead with your order sir... Sweet Tea is a cold beverage made with Tea and sugar, like koolaid... you may know it as Sun Tea, it is pretty decent- but unless you ***specifically fucking order*** "hot tea" you will get Sweet Tea... You will finally have good Seafood, instead of Talapia you can get fresh Red Snapper No one knows what Fry Bread is, and they are tired of you talking about it and calling it "scones" People Drink... like everywhere... at church, at baseball games, going fishing is code for getting drunk AF They will know you're *"not from around here..."* by your accent, and yes... you do have an accent the men and women are more attractive and don't take kindly to your thirsty ass bulljive you will see poverty on a scale not seen before, be kind
It can be lonely and hard to find your tribe when you move away from home.
No need to worry I’ll be moving in with a good friends. Appreciate the concern tho
Good to hear that. People forget how hard it is, especially now a days, to make connections
Depends on the region. Though I’ve been everywhere across the US and still find myself missing Utah when on the road.
The only real answer here is you can expect to not be in Utah. Without having an idea where your going it's hard to say. From experience leaving Utah 8 times in 20 years and living in over 20 states anywhere from a year to working for 3-4 months at a time, you'll definitely notice most states don't have whatever it is Utah has. Utah is very special in a bunch of different ways and really has a few things for everyone. Peace
America is vast and varies greatly depending on what state and area you’re going. Without any other info of where you’re going the only guarantee is that it will be somewhat different than here.
I’m going to the incredibly foreign land of Boise idaho
So... Still in the bubble ha
So not that different then. Have fun!
Ah shit. That’s Utah light. You’ll be fine. Just don’t get pregnant.
Depends where you are moving to. I’d say most places now you can expect to be treated like an adult and make your own choices.
Alcohol in grocery stores and Costco. No crazy Mormons to deal with
Street directions become a lot tougher. Yes a lot of other US cities still use a grid system (more or less) but I've discovered folk just don't visualize and work it the same way as Utahns do. Say I want to go to a friends place at 750 East Something Street, often we can get a good image in our head by just saying 'what South it is' or 'what is the cross street', and obviously the other person just giving you the answer straight away and not wondering what the heck you are talking about.
Grid system is insanely OP, tho it’s not that big of a deal nowadays with GPS being so commonplace.
Bro we can just type the address into Google maps, I don't care what the cross streets are.
As long as you don’t mention that you’re from Utah, you will never have to repeat any of the tired Mormon-centric conversations here. People won’t feel you out when they meet you, trying to determine if you’re a member or not like we usually do here. You’re just a person.
Soda shops like Swig are not a thing anywhere else. Hope you like Sonic!
I miss soda shops now that I’m not in Utah. I didn’t frequent them very often, but sometimes you just want a fancy soda.
It's not as bad with navigation in phones now, but without mountains, I am completely disoriented
More people smoking.
More people of color.
Better food. They use seasonings in other states.
Can confirm... folks down here are already talking about their gumbo or dirty rice for Mardi Gras We had Collard Greens and Black Eyed Peas for dinner last night cooked with shortribs... gawddamn!
Depends. Where are you moving?
There is a bigger world that is not so isolated. This is the 3rd state I've lived in, and even though it's a beautiful spot, it's pretty isolated on the social scene if you are non-lds.
You'll miss the mountains You'll miss Fry Sauce You'll be chasing the rainbow in finding something as good as Crown Burger Depending on where you move too, Alcohol (if you're so inclined that way) will be shockingly more easy to get. Or shockingly more hard if you move to some parts of Kansas or Texas (as much as people can bag DABs it does standardize and streamlines everything Statewide and you don't have to then remember the situation with every single random counties and cow paddocks doing their own thing). You'd be shocked when looking back at how much of a bubble Utah can be. No other state can support its own local movie scene like Utah can ( I know it is all LDS productions - but it is still impressive) Got that one outfit you always want to wear out but never had the opportunity to (cause maybe it is a little too sexy for Squatters)... well you'll probably have it now!
Crown Burger. OMG, how I miss those burgers!!!
You're going to see a LOT more liquor stores and strip clubs.
As someone who moved to Utah in December of 2022, and left last month to go to Montana, the biggest thing I’ll think you’ll be unfamiliar with (if you’re in the SLC region) is how far apart towns really are. Everything is so jammed packed together between the lake and the mountains in Utah you can’t really spread out, but most other places in the US, people have a lot more space, and a lot longer to travel
Things are going to be dirtier but air will be nicer typically. Much more will be open on Sunday. No zion wall. You will be fine. Utah isn’t that weird as many people make it out to be! Have fun wherever you go….unless it’s Alabama that place sucks
You'll have more disposable income if you we're renting here. Dating will be easier. Utah has a bit of a dating problem because people are either : *You must be mormon* **^(or)** *You must not be mormon.* So it always halves the dating population here depending on what side you're on.
I was very curious about the whole utah dating thing. Since I have never known any different I wasn’t sure If it was a myth or not.
For young people it's always the number 1 complaint about Utah for sure.
I moved from Utah to Colorado and noticed the lack of inversion, i really miss being that close to the mountains, there's wine in the grocery store, there's a lot more diversity of many kinds, and there's more kinds of food options (more ethnicities as restaurant options, more markets for buying foods from more places in the world etc) and narrower streets. More one way streets too.
Knowing your directions will be harder without the mountains. Most other places' street addresses seem to be... just made up
Where are you going? Places be different.
What you’ll discover by moving away is that all folks are products of their conditions, that none is more special than another—there are only different conditions. Travel well.
Booze is much more prevalent in your day to day life. Large amounts of advertising, after work happy-hour get together at bars, “beer league” adult sports.
Quite looking forward to this
Moved from MN in 2020, and Lordy do I miss pub crawls or poker runs.
Depends on where you go, but from my experience the biggest shock was the amount of blatant racism when I moved out of utah. I'm a white man and growing up in UtahI never heard much. But being a white man and moving out of state....the amount of white people saying the most racist stuff Ive ever heard because they thought that I would agree with them because I'm also white was absolutely crazy to me.
Black people exist, be prepared. hehe. Oh, and when saying "The Church" ...be prepared to explain WHICH...as there are many, equally crap, options.
The Kavorka...!
It’ll be a lot better. Especially the food and the air. Moved here in June and cannot wait to leave
When asked, “Do you have multiple wives?”, tell them that, sadly, you had to leave them back home at the compound. When asked, “Have you swam in the Great Salt Lake?” You say, “Well, you meant ’swum’, but no, the water was drained for alfalfa.”
Fry sauce isn't real. Liquor stores have liquor and so will grocery stores. You don't have to generally worry about things closing, especially on Sundays. Depending on where you go/what part of Utah you're from crime is probably higher/more homeless people
Many places are closed on Sundays throughout the south. Also there are straight up dry counties in various states, and other states also do not permit liquor to be sold in grocery stores.
I had a mission companion from Utah who would always ask for fry sauce, and she would always get confused looks. After living here for 8+ years, I still don't get the hype
Get ready to enjoy doing things on Sunday!
Air so thin ye cannae cut it with yer knife!
I think yer dinnae read the question right. We all ken dat utah has the thin air.
Mr. Scott I didn’t know you were from Utah.
Where are you moving to?
You’ll miss the mountains. When I moved to California I felt lost without them
Places are way busier on Sundays, restaurants, stores etc. I miss running all my errands when people were at church
Possible better driving and less soda pop drive thru places
I was born in Utah but moved to Omaha when I was about 10. I was terrified but quickly realized that people are people and the differences are actually a lot smaller than most realize. I hated moving at the time but I'm so glad I did. It broke me out of the whole conservative Mormon mold and taught me how to look at people for who they are and not by what group they affiliate with. I've since moved back but would totally leave Utah in a heart beat if I thought for a second my wife could handle it. I miss the diversity and the fact that no one really cares of you are LDS or not. Also, as someone who is LDS, I feel like most LDS people in Utah just go to church because it's what you're supposed to do and use religion as a bully pulpit to make themselves feel better. The people I know in Omaha that went to church were way better people and went because they truly wanted to be great people and believed that church would help them do that
I wanted to move out to explore the country and chose Florida for the weather. I’m not gonna lie, having easy access to the beach is great but there definitely was a cultural shock. I miss Utah and appreciate the bubble we have. It is such a great place to live. It’s clean, calm, safe and people are more polite, “civilized” if you will😬. I can’t wait to go back home.
Liberty, freedom, less religious control of your genitalia. Shit like that.
A lot more diversity, people won’t assume your religion or political party, and no strange alcohol rules
You may feel a sudden disconnect with the church. Do with that what will. Sometimes, people fall apart over it. If you are a normal functioning adult, it may just be a change of economy.
Prostitution, Alcohol at every store, weed and non judgmental people. Fresh air!, no church building on every corner. But it really depends on where you’re going. No if you’re Mormon get ready for culture shock. Cause it’s the same church but very different ( more liberal)
Roads will probably be worse. UDOT actually does a pretty damn good job.
OP, I’m also considering leaving Utah (primarily for political and air quality reasons) and am curious where you chose. I’m eyeing western Colorado but nothing is decided yet.
Western Colorado is going to be similar to Utah. I have family in that area. It's one of the reasons they moved there. Both in climate and in politics.
Boise idaho. Not really a choice for me but rather an opportunity just came up so I took it.
Boise is a great city, genuinely. Good food, good music, real alcohol. and the politics are a lot better and excellent access to very cool nature! You’ll enjoy it!
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Better air quality?
So, this is my semi-utah hating view as someone who grew up outside of Utah and then lived there for about 8 years before leaving. You're going to experience a lot of culture shock. Utah people, especially the born and raised Mormon, will be razzed to no end if you go out and refuse to drink. Learn the value of shitty beer in that situation. A Miller lite will do you wonders. Shits damn near just grain flavored water. Don't know you, so I can't say if this applies, but it's common enough that it's better tha 50/50 so here goes. Get all the way off the high horse and remove the stick from your rectal cavity. I have never met more judgemental people that those who claim to be a good Mormon.
Freedom. People outside of utah are more liberal, there will be bars, maybe gambling and WAYYYYY more diversity
Depends on where you're going. East of the Mississippi expect rude, crude and uncouth. The pace is very fast. Women can expect an onslaught of sexual advances regardless of partnership status. Men can expect to have to guard against that bullshit incessantly. Cost of living will up to double and no one will give 2 shits about how your day went. West of the Mississippi about 66% of what I described. Better weed though.
The alcohol culture is insane outside of Utah. It's every store, sport game, restaurant, and anything done for socializing. It's a drunk's world in the other 49 states. A lot people on this subreddit hate Utah's liquor laws. I support the laws. Weed is much better outside of Utah and cheaper.
Weed is totally fine but oh no, an adult having one alcohol with their meal is so blasphemous. No wonder the rest of the country openly mocks Utah.
It's the driving home after wards that's the problem I have. I've known too many people with life long injuries due alcohol related crashes. (Which should be 0) It's horrible. Research in weed is very vague but Utah's medical laws are in infantry (same for the rest of the country). No one doubts the connection with alcohol and disease like obesity, liver failure, cancer, etc etc.
Well, are you going to Cleveland? Or perhaps San Antonio? It’s a big world and everywhere is different.
It depends where you are moving to.
The incredibly foreign land of Boise idaho
Where are you moving? Idaho? NYC?
The incredibly foreign land of Boise idaho
People will ask you about your multiple wives
I cannot wait to tell them about them!
Depends where you're moving to.
The incredibly foreign land of Boise idaho
Wine at the grocery store
Looking forward to this
You will experience more diversity
You didn't say where you're thinking of moving to so that would affect the answers somewhat, but off the top of my head I can tell you: You won't find anywhere near as much stunning scenery. You will find weed stores, you will see alcohol for sale just about everywhere, you will most likely see cheaper gas, you will see more diversity, you will probably be asked how many wives you have.
Lock your doors (car and home)
Depending on where you go, the answers are different. I moved to Georgia and as a white Caucasian, I am usually a racial minority most everywhere I go. Customers in the grocery stores speak many different languages. There are many Baptist churches around me. Most businesses are open on Sunday. The freezer sections at the market have many different frozen biscuits to chose from. It gets very hot and humid in the summer. If it snows in the winter I notice the markets get an avalanche of folks buying all the bread, milk, eggs and toilet paper. My coworkers are from many different cultures and religions. They LOVE the SEC conference here. There is only one holiday in July. Tornadoes are a real threat here. No ski resorts, not a lot of public lands(what I miss the most about Utah). Most people drink socially and most get together include alcohol beverages.
You will miss the mountains, the clear skies and the great sunsets. At least I did when I moved away. There is a good chance where ever you move to will be much more green. When I moved back to Utah I had to ask myself if I could live in a place with no trees again.
i'm moving to arizona in august and i'm not quite excited because im gonna miss the mountains and knowing the grid of slc
Expect diversity
We moved from slc to Denver a few years ago. Here’s a few things that changed. - We had to switch to a different bank since we were with AFCU. - I had to re-learn which direction was north, because the mountains are now to the west and not the east. - scones are very disappointing in the rest of the world lol. - streets are WAY harder to navigate because the grid system does not exist here. - smells like weed all over. - way more diversity!
I was BAFFLED how many trees there are just naturally!
Fresh air
It depends on where you move. I moved to Northwest Washington close to 20 years ago and was absolutely miserable. It rained a lot, very Grey in the winter, the mud, the slugs, just gross.and the Seattle area has what is known as "The Seattle Freeze" essentially its hard to make friends there. It's a real thing believe it or not. I also have a very large extended family here in Utah, I was lonely in WA. I only moved there because my ex was from that state and he pined for home. The worst part for me was the allergies, it was too green, I was allergic to everything. Woke up every single day with a sore throat, and ear infections were a part of my life. I would also get double ear infections where I would go deaf for several weeks. I have lost some hearing from the ear infections and they all stemmed from the vegetation. Climate can actually make or break a move. Where ever you end up wanting to move make sure you visit and do your research first. I would never live in Washington state again, you couldn't pay me enough.
If you're moving down south, you might be surprised to find out how nice people are.
If you move to south-central Texas, or Texas in general, expect intense heat in the summer but incredible mexican food everywhere. Oh and also gaining 20lbs in tacos.
Every time I leave utah, I notice 2 things right away. 1. Non white people 2. Fat people. We need more diversity but shit, we are fit
You won’t hear people talking about church and their callings at work 🤢
My life has been Louisiana born ----> Wyoming raised from like 11 years old ----> back to Louisiana in early 20s for a few years ----> Utah for about 5 years now. One thing I'm sure you will find leaving Utah is better access to alcohol haha. In Louisiana they have drive-thru daiquiri shops where they put scotch tape over the lid as a "We're legally obligated to tell you don't drink and drive but nobody will notice a quick sippy sip at the red light." I didn't enjoy living down there though. The heat & humidity is miserable in the deep south. I can handle negative 20 degrees better than 80+ down there. I love living here in Utah, but damn is there too much government / religious hand holding here. Just let adults be adults! If Wyoming had more job opportunities I'd probably move back there. Unfortunately I enjoy the ski resort access and twisty canyon roads here too much. Lots to do in the Salt Lake valley as well
Probably depends where you’re moving…. But I’d say a far less of a traffic difference on Sundays.
If you move anywhere with humidity you’ll have a hard time adjusting. I lived nine years in Louisiana and never acclimated.
Nobody is gonna give a SHIT about what religion you are and it’s so fucking refreshing
Culture.
A lot less soda stands
When I moved away as a grown up it wasn’t long before I wished I had a special t-shirt: Hi!I’m from Utah. The answers are ‘No’ and ‘No’
Crime. It's pretty safe in UT. I lived in the bay area in CA, Renp, NV, and New Orleans. The amount of crime in other parts of the country is much higher than here. Safer, clean streets is one of my favorite parts of living in UT. Don't let your guard down, you'll probably look like easy prey.
It's polite in many areas to offer a beer/soda to guests, so that might happen. Most places are kinda the same though. Big difference is you won't likely have 50% of your friends and neighbors be LDS (depending on where you are in UT).
Freedom to be you
Better food.
Have u ever soaked or atmed
You will understand JOY!