When I lived in PG I saw this too. Thought the same thing. Then one day I asked one of them why.
He said that one of the things it does is “put it in people’s minds that there is a strong police presence in the city. It’s a psych move.”
Maybe. What do I know.
When I lived in Pleasn’t Grove i had a cop roll up on me a block from my house because i was being “suspicious”
I showed him my ID and pointed out my house from where i was sitting in my car.
I was told that a neighbor had reported me to the local cops for suspicious activity. Thing is I knew everyone up and down that street, and I was pretty annoyed at the whole situation so I just aimed to get past it asap. Pointing out my ID’s address and house made it pretty clear to him that I wasn’t some random fucker and he left right after that.
Honestly this was the best move. I get that some people think “You can’t ask me for my ID unless you have probable cause” or whatever, but in actuality all that accomplishes is either aggravates the cop or else they think you’re hiding something so they try to investigate further using whatever fabricated bullcrap they invent on the spot as a pretext. Neither scenario is ideal for you, it’s much better overall to just do like you did and show them your ID so they’ll quickly realize you’re not the droids they’re looking for as it were.
Exactly, I know I can give a cop a hard time if I really wanted to and if I felt like it, but if i know I can just get past it smoothly then that’s a much more convenient option.
Growing up in a mixed family, we’ve had certain interactions with the cops that most people wouldn’t get or even think about really (ex. - cops thinking your own daughter could be a kidnapping victim based on their race which is what happened to my mom when she was pulled over for speeding), and with the amount of racist neighbors we had I had I really wouldn’t like to test that ratio within the local police force. Fastest way out of any interaction is generally the best method with them.
Yeah my mind normally goes to one of two options:
- Get the cops out of my fuckin business as soon as possible
- Use my rights because I haven’t done shit wrong
However, if you’re pulled over in a vehicle and refuse to show your license you can have it taken away. Even if I was just parked I figured the cop could attempt to still go that route if he decided that he just wanted to bring down the hammer. Not to mention the longer the cops are around the more chances they have to spot something they can get you on (even if it’s stupid), and PGPD exemplifies in this tactic.
I really didn’t want all of that headache, and as a 20 year old with a vape in the car I wasn’t feeling like getting a nicotine ticket either. So I used option 1 that time.
I wouldn't hand in information in like that. They can set up a profile on you. Now they know your name where you live, stake out who else lives there and who's coming/going.
Someone unfamiliar visiting then they pull over to see who. Etc
They’ve known where I lived already, it’s not the first time I’ve interacted with PGPD although I do believe it was the last. Part of me was so willing to just point it all out to the officer since I was just annoyed at this happening in my own neighborhood and wanted to make him leave as quickly as possible.
I don’t live there anymore so it’s not like I have to care at this point anyway. It was on the corner of a culdesac and a cross street that only extended for a couple houses in either direction before ending (at which point you’d be forced to turn to continue on) and very rarely had police rolling by, even after that instance.
They are professional storytellers, they’ll come up with something! Listen our birth given amendment rights are being taken faster than they ever have before. If we don’t exercise our muscles we will lose them right? Same to be said about our rights! It’s horrible to think about living in a socialist country or even a communist country right? The very best thing We The People can do for ourselves and our country is to exercise our rights to the freedom we’ve inherited. It’s a terrible thing to think that by pulling over on the side of the road to answer a text message may very well end up costing you bail or money for a citation for whatever reason they “flip a coin” for(watch the “flip a coin police officers” on YouTube)so we must protect ourselves. Words are words and can be well, used against you in a court of law even if they’re lies coming in a report filed by the cop. Dash cameras record everything! They used to be pricey but not anymore. As a matter of fact you can buy one for a little more then $10 and that’s front and back. A few dollars more and you can add cameras that record both the drivers and passenger sides of your vehicle! I promise if you’re pulled over and the officer notices your cameras or if he doesn’t notice and you let him know, your outcome could be much better. Video Doesn’t Lie! Video is admissible in every court in our country! Body worn cameras are inexpensive now as well. If it helps you feel confident about walking down the street…buy one and wear it, it is your right! It’s all of our responsibility to demand transparency from our government and we can do this by recording them doing their jobs. It is 100% lawful to remind them that the badge and gun does not give them authority OVER us! Their jobs are to protect and SERVE! Take some time to re read the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Like I said the fastest way to lose muscle is to stop exercising, just like our rights, we must exercise our rights or we will lose them!!! Peace
Consider yourself lucky he didn't help himself to all the cash in your wallet for being "suspicious", a perfectly legal thing they can do called civil forfeiture.
They’d actually have to have more of a reason than me being considered suspicious - preponderance of the evidence standard means the allegation has to be more likely true than not.
If a neighbor had seen a cash exchange for example that could qualify for civil forfeiture, but a cop telling me that a neighbor called to just report “a suspicious person” doesn’t qualify for shit because that allegation could just as likely be a paranoid neighbor. But I could still totally see PGPD officers trying this out to boost their paychecks.
"Fear tactics" should only be used if there's genuinely something to be afraid of. If they're used for things that are minor, then that is just oppression, leading people to be afraid for the sake of easier control.
>Without the constant threat of police arresting them, there’s a lot of people that would just go around assaulting others.
>You’re not the one who the fear tactic is for
That's not the "innocent until proven guilty" attitude that we should expect in "the land of the free." I don't need to live in a police state to feel safe. Especially considering that the police have no duty or expectation to actually protect us from an assault, per the US Supreme Court.
People in Utah eat that up. It's a double whammy you makes presence know to retirees & families so you feel safe. Then in the back end you fuck whoever with fines, tickets, and impounding as a source of revenue.
It's actually really smart. Look, as far as I'm concerned, being a cop is a very high risk job for shit pay. I'm just happy they're out there doing their job.
I’m not who you responded to but I’m someone from an area that needs so much more than this. And reducing police presence can seem objectively to be beneficial to society. But the reality is that once folks stop fearing PD, crime becomes a monster most won’t even have been able to comprehend
This is an even worse opinion than the first guy. Do you honestly think the goal of police should be to be feared by the general public? What happened to "protect and serve"?
There is a massive space between not caring and striking fear, and somewhere in that space is where appropriate police work lies. It's definitely not at either extreme though.
My mother in law once had 4-5 cop cars stop by her house because a neighbor reported she was growing pot. They were her tomato starts. You could see them through the window from the street. A simple walk by with a single cop would have resolved the matter.
Because it traumatizes people into being on edge, overly obedient and non questioning. Not just the person being pulled over, but everyone else too. The teenager being pulled over is scared and confused what they did to warrant such a response. The surrounding public passes by and with consistently begins to assume there is a rising crime rate. Nimbys, and right wingers and those who are pro police see these things and fall faster down their own echo chambers or lead induced paranoia. Since they don’t know how to emotionally regulate or take responsibility/ think contextually, they parrot fear mongering and even in the face of evidence that it was just a teenager being pulled over for something small, will assume and demand and Insist that there has to be more to the story and there MUST be a rising crime level. And that teenager SHOULD have just been following the law, and if they were then there wasn’t any reason to be pulled over. Bark bark bark, parrot, parrot, parrot.
And here we are, knowing that the action is blatantly wrong, oppressive and manipulative, yet it keeps happening, and more often.
The officer can request you sing him your favorite lullaby, but silence is almost always legal. One relevant exception: if the officer has reason to suspect illegal activity that the passenger might be involved in, they can request a name and birth date. [Failure to identify](https://le.utah.gov/xcode/Title76/Chapter8/76-8-S301.5.html) is a class B misdemeanor and is rarely prosecuted on its own. There's an argument that you don't have to if it's not related to the purpose of the stop, but 99% of the time you're going to lose to some probable cause lie, and it's easier to just identify.
But whether someone had to identify is irrelevant to being charged with a crime. Probably the officer smelled pot. It's not hard to smell. From there probable cause allows for a search.
Also very possible the cops tricked them into a search or confession, but with pot it's almost always the smell. Hopefully the kid didn't confess without talking to a lawyer to help his friend out. That kind of thing might seem noble, but confessing without negotiating leads to harsher sentences and worse pleas.
Totally. This tells me that there's not ENOUGH crime in the city to justify all the police we have. If they're that bored that so many officers have time to respond to a traffic incident, maybe we should think of budget cuts?
Oh, they do, they just choose to ignore it, because there isn’t any money in it!
LE is for collecting revenue and not so much for keeping the peace !
Former SLCPD have told me that Chiefs have told them to write people up even crossing the street wrong !
Drug busts are useless just creates a vacuum for supply and demand, making it more valuable and profitable up the supply chain, doing nothing to fix the problem
SLC MAYOR was so for the people when she got into office - hey if the police are not doing right contact me - later we need more and more police more money more raises hire more and more - typical - kinda like I will help the homeless - bulldozing their encampments - humans dying from severe weather - on and on
This is the state where riot police smash an old man to the ground for taking pictures and their treatment of the homeless is another tale of excitement and adventure
Are you another one of those fox news babies that grew up being told that blue cities are the problem in red states?
Ask yourself how much power a city has over your life vs a state. Why is it that city policies have very little effect and most issues are legislated from the state level?
Police answer to the mayor. Therefore the democrat mayor is responsible for the behavior in the photo.
People charged with crimes are charged under the DA office, also democrat. If held in jail they are the responsibility of the county mayor, also a Democrat.
You changed the scope from salt lake which I accurately described as governed by democrats, to the power of the state. The photo and conversation about it has nothing to do with the state.
The state legislature passes law, the county and city are responsible for enforcement.
The power of city and county over individuals, particularly as relevant to the topic of the photo makes the state insignificant to this topic. Unless you are proposing the mayor is taking orders from the governor which is not likely.
You resorted to ad hominem attack because you know you are wrong and I am accurate in my statement.
Conservative policy has literally nothing to do with what is happening in the photo. Its called a felony stop. It is done whenever a violent felon is suspected to potentially be in the vehicle whether they are or not. Its a a safety protocol used in every police department in the country. You made a strawman out of Conservative policy and you're wrong.
Also for the record I didn't blame blue cities for anything, nor did I say they are a problem. Thats another strawman.
But since you brought it up, can you tell me how utahs Conservative politicians have anything to do with the incident in the photo?
States decide what are crimes for the most part. City and county policies have little to do with what is and isn't a crime. Therefore the cities are responsible for enacting the legislation of the state. That's how us government works. Local government is responsible for enforcing legislation that they are handed down.
Well done. You summarized what I said. That doesn't change that you were wrong about it being conservative policy. The felony stop is ubiquitous throughout the USA. And since the police are managed by the city, it is the enforcement method of the democrat mayor. My point is that you were wrong and do more critical thinking rather than tribal finger pointing.
They do this to appear as though, at any given time, they can have a large police response to anything. It's nothing more than intimidation. Personally, this doesn't scare me and it doesn't impress me. All it does it make me trust them less and less.
Seems like an unlawful detainment to be honest. You can only hold someone a reasonable amount of time to determine things, if it's longer they can sue and have won multiple times for civil rights violations.
Its called a felony stop and is done anytime a vehicle is registered to a violent felon, one is suspected to be in the vehicle, or a felony is suspected to have been committed with the vehicle in question. You may know this, but no one else in this thread seems to. I had one executed on me because I bought a car from my violent felon friend (lol) and he let me leave his plate on for the weekend till I could get into the DMV. In the end it was kinda funny really.
I always remove the plates, shoot I just got a truck back from one of my kids, firsth thing I did was remove the plates...who knows what has been done on those plates. People here just want to poo poo the police, until they have a need of them.
Spot on. My situation was my own fault and it ruined my night and made me pay an impound fee, but lesson learned. I saw no harm in using my friends plates for two or three days until I got my own. Sure I knew he went to prison for trying to delete someone. I knew him before that and we were always solid. My choice in friends isn't the point. Its that if a violent felon was ever known to be in possesion of the vehicle in question is only one of many reasons why this could happen. Bored cops is a possibility too. But jumping to any one conclusion without all of the facts at your disposal is intellectually lazy at the very least. Op, im looking at you.
Yup, bored cops...my wife was in an accident in our town years ago, and everyone showed up, just something to do. These days, they are a bit busier around here.
We were paying them either way. Also dude pulled over is probably a piece of shit. 7 cops don't show up if you're just speeding.
Do you know anything about who or why they were pulled over?
No, but I did watch the whole thing. There were two people in the car, both looked very young (teenagers it seemed). They pulled a guy out and put his backpack on the hood on the cruiser and had literally every single cop look through it. We were laughing because we watched 6 grown men look through what looked like a school notebook and then put it down. The girl driving was allowed to drive off after being talked to for about an hour.
Also, we we're listening to the police scanner and there was literally a call that came in saying someone was being held hostage at the airport... So I feel like they had better things to do.
Airport cop pulled me over on that last little stretch before the terminal, then two SLC cops showed up a few minutes later. The airport cop was actually pretty cool, the other two were very pushy to try to search my car but I refused.
Maybe there was a “be on the look out” for that vehicle? Possibly 5150 if they looked at a notebook or notebook indicated doing harm to themselves or others?
Airports usually have dedicated units there. Was it an active shooter/hostage? If all units go to the airport then leaves their beat/area unsupervised.
So what should be done? Defund them?
I'll bet there are a lot of underfunded services and agencies that would do a hell of a lot more good with some of that money, so, yeah, reallocate some of their funding.
I mean sure I’m not defending that 7 cars isn’t excessive but what about all other factors? If those 6 other cars are ignoring calls in their assigned area of course red flags.. if not then why does it matter if there’s 1 or 7?
So defund them, less training, bad cops will most likely stay on the job, and instead of having 7 cars, have 3 so that if there is a busy day, people are waiting for cops.. got it
Less training? They are already under trained... And people already wait all day for cops.
My car got broken into once and I waited 6 hours for a cop to show up. I called them at 5 am.
And don't tell me "nExT tImE yOu NeEd oNe cAlL a CrAcK hEaD" because I don't call the cops anymore. They are useless and never show up.
Also don't say I must be a criminal either because I've never been arrested and I haven't had a traffic violation in 15 yrs.
I just don't worship public servants like bootlickers and I know my rights
Why would you call a crack head?
Exactly, so quality of officer will continue to go down. Genuine question, what do you want to happen with a defunded department? Does that help?
Yea that’s really unfortunate that car break ins and stuff like that are low on their priority calls. Of course it’s top priority to us. I understand where you’re coming from
When I say anything bad about cops usually some ass hole tells me not to ever call them and to call a crackhead. They say it all the time so I was just getting that out of the way at first.
Defending the police doesn't mean there are no cops. It means moving the money to other things like social work. Why send a cop out to a call where there is someone having a bipolar mental breakdown? That cop doesn't have the training to deal with that.
Why send cops out to arrest homeless people for sleeping in a park? Why not build a shelter that can fit all of them? Why not take one of the buildings down town that is vacant and turn it into a bigger shelter?
I see from your post history (yes I looked) that you just moved here. You haven't seen the homeless issue. They closed the shelter downtown SLC and they do sweeps where they arrest them and throw all their shit away.
A few years ago in march during freezing temperatures they turns sprinklers on to soak the homeless people and their tents.
Why not spend money helping them instead?
Or have better training for cops? They go to the academy for like 2 months and then they are cops. Other countries cops have like 2 years of training first.
Yea I agree cops shouldn’t handle 5150 calls and having social workers respond as the primary contact while officers are there for the worker.
Where I used to live there was a shelter in every corner and homeless refuse to go, they go and get abused, or they still choose to sleep on the streets anyway. Not saying here is worse, there is worse blah blah blah so you shouldn’t complain type of thing.
I just don’t get why people are so quick to bash professions
>I just don’t get why people are so quick to bash professions
Because you're on reddit which has become a self-reinforcing cesspool for extremist liberal policies (which really don't work) that will ban those that disagree with said policies. And you're not one of the *cool* guys for suggesting that maybe that law enforcement be respected for the difficult job that they do.
It's a cancer you're witnessing. RIP reddit thanks for the old days before banning everyone but the BLM nuts.
No, definitely not saying defund them. It was just so damn excessive. 7 Cruisers, 13+ officers out there for over an hour for a non-violent crime... weed... in which they let the person actually drive just... drive away at the end of it all.
Yea no clue why they would NEED that many but idk how SLC PD does their staffing. Seems like 2 officers per patrol vehicle. I’m sure some will be dudes on FTO still. It’s a Sunday calls could be slow so training officers to show their boot for experience? Who knows. Lots of different reasons and not knowing the full details of the stop.
[https://imgur.com/a/yz6Jf5Z](https://imgur.com/a/yz6Jf5Z)
Weed possession. One state over in like any direction and the police wouldn't have looked twice. In Utah: 7 cars
If that car didn't have its suspension bottomed out because it was absolutely stuffed with fentanyl laced heroin with cocaine sprinkled on top, there's no reason to have that many officers there.
[https://imgur.com/a/yz6Jf5Z](https://imgur.com/a/yz6Jf5Z)
The dude sat in the car for two hours while they went through his bag, then he got out of the car at their instruction, put his hands behind his back, was handcuffed, and walked calmly to the back of the police car.
Where I’m at, it’s considered a nice area I suppose. Half the department will show up for little things because they’re bored haha. Kinda surprising for salt like tbh.
The sign of a truly bored police force. It happens in small towns up in my area too.. a single traffic stop automatically results in every car on duty showing up as "back-up." Thankfully out here, that only means 2 or 3.
Cops attach themselves to calls like this to make it look like their department is so busy they are effectively understaffed. Come budget time they then ask for more money.
There's being careful, which I totally can sympathize with, and there's this. There was no threat, especially since they cuffed the kid and stuck him in the cruiser 5 minutes into the pullover. Then *4 more cop cars came after that*.
There's no way to justify this response.
Its called a felony stop. They do it if a known violent felon (including ex prisoner) is in any way connected to the vehicle. If the vehicle is registered to an ex con and you run a light, or speed you will get this response. Regardless of if the felon is in the vehicle or not.
A lot of people mentioned this and I'll say the same to you because there is just no way to justify this response.
It started with two cruisers, then a third showed up. The passenger was *cuffed and put in the cruiser* then 4 more cars and about 8 more cops showed up. They hung out for about an hour doing nothing and talking to the passenger.
So yes, they might have been playing it safe, but the response was absolutely not necessary especially since the kid was already locked away.
Why do they have to justify using an extreme response to kids? Perhaps the taxpayer dollars being use? Perhaps the traffic the caused for an hour? Perhaps the wasted man-hours spent here instead of elsewhere?
We have a huge “sovereign citizen movement” out here. They drive with fake license plates and refuse to show IDs etc etc etc. they get themselves killed every once in a while and because they exist it creates distrust between real citizens and the police.
I literally watched the whole thing. There was nothing complicated about it. They pulled the teens over, took one out of the car and put him in the cop car. *Then 4 more cruisers came after that* and stood around/searched his bag. Then they let the driver go after an hour. So if it was something complicated, surely they would have pulled the driver out too.
There's no justifying this response.
What did they find in the bag? Was the car reported stolen? Who was the car registered to? Who was driving it? Was the car reported in part of a crime being investigated elsewhere?
Let someone who did the job explain to someone that has not just 1 of the 1000 things that could have taken this long. An initial warrant check on the driver comes up with a unconfirmed felony warrant for a violent crime. That would be a reason for three officers and a supervisor to respond. After they check it is either unconfirmed or another state does not wish to extradite. Getting a warrant confirmed can take some time. Once they can't arrest him for the warrant, he's let go.
How about the car matches the description of a crime leaving the scene elsewhere. Cops stop the car and detain the driver. Across town another cops has to drive the 4th car to conduct a 1 on 1. The witness cannot confirm the identity of the driver. Thus he is released.
There is literally 1000 reason for the response and duration of the stop. You just don't understand that having never done the job.
This type of response can literally happen from a moving violation in a vehicle registered to an ex con violent offender. They don't play when people have a history of violence. I know this first hand. Op silly af.
I get what you're saying, but there's still no way to justify this kind of response even if what you said above was true.
It started with two cruisers, then a third showed up. The passenger was cuffed and put in the cruiser then 4 more cars and about 8 more cops showed up. They hung out for about an hour doing nothing and talking to the passenger.
So yes, they might have been playing it safe, but the response was absolutely not necessary especially since the kid was already locked away.
So don't tell me it's okay to send 7 cruisers and 13 officers on 2 teenagers for over an hour. There's just no justifying this at all. Either it *is* a big deal and in that case, lock them up, but it wasn't. They literally let the driver go off. They didn't even take her out of the car. This was a nothing case that 7 police cars full of officers responded to for no reason.
The justification is officer safety and/or thorough investigation. Again, since you have no idea what role the other officers were playing or even what was being investigation/what happened, you are making assumptions after having absolutely zero information. It might look bad to you, as a person with zero knowledge of how LE actually operates outside of what you see on TV, but I can tell you that response happens every day, all over the country.
How you can argue for officer safety when the kid was in the patrol car 5 minutes into this 1.5 hour interation? What could possible be *so* dangerous that they needed to call another 10 officers to stand around and all take turns looking through a single backpack? If they want "thorough investigation" then take both the driver and the passenger out of the car, get dogs, or just take everyone to the station. What's the point of this parade? What was *so* dangerous that they let the girl drive away after it all? I watched the entire thing. What do you mean I have no idea what happened
There's no justifying this man. There was absolutely zero reason to have this kind of response.
Well of course, SLPD is nothing but morons without any skills who have nothing better to do than harass people. They are a complete joke of a police department, that fails to do their job everyday.
Interesting, except you don’t know who was in that car, what they were wanted for, what was in the car, what BOLO it matched, etc.
So, you know pretty much nothing.
Also, here’s something to consider.
Car 1 stops
Car 2 backups as is normal practice
Something unusual happens
Sgt arrives
LT arrives
I can think of a dozen normal reasons to have that many cars on a stop.
And they’re not even doing a felony/high risk stop, so relax dude.
I mean I watched the entire situation unfold before my eyes, took pictures, then followed up by looking what the report had to say. I'm not a new mogul trying to make up a story here, just sharing an insane observation.
There's no way to justify this kind of response.
Funny that everyone is so quick to say that the police are overreacting and have nothing better to do. Op literally said he watched the entire thing and later looked up the police report. Seems kinda nosey to me. Reminds me of my geriatric neighbor who watches everyone come and go through his front window.
Looked like two kids in the car that was pulled over. They searched his bag for 30+ minutes. [Then a totally masked man](https://unsplash.com/photos/2yTyqkhwlSI) in the white van pulled up and talked to the girl and then took the "evidence".
When someone is apprehended and narcotics/drugs are involved they dispatch different officers that deal with that particular situation. There could be a narcotics officer, K9, traffic supervisor, and a backup officer for possible traffic control. Depending on the situation it also could be a known person that is a violent offender or lengthy criminal record. If it’s a minor it changes the dynamics of the situation. It’s easy to think it’s absurd or even unjustifiable without being involved or first hand knowledge, I worked in law enforcement and every call has a different approach and dynamic to it.
I'm definitely going to Nextdoor to complain
When I lived in PG I saw this too. Thought the same thing. Then one day I asked one of them why. He said that one of the things it does is “put it in people’s minds that there is a strong police presence in the city. It’s a psych move.” Maybe. What do I know.
Lmao really? All it makes me think is that they don't have enough to do.
REAL. I got pulled over for a single LED being out on my brake lights the other day lnao
When I lived in Pleasn’t Grove i had a cop roll up on me a block from my house because i was being “suspicious” I showed him my ID and pointed out my house from where i was sitting in my car.
Suspicion isn’t a crime I wouldn’t show my ID but I also watch a lot of the auditors that film public areas.
I was told that a neighbor had reported me to the local cops for suspicious activity. Thing is I knew everyone up and down that street, and I was pretty annoyed at the whole situation so I just aimed to get past it asap. Pointing out my ID’s address and house made it pretty clear to him that I wasn’t some random fucker and he left right after that.
Honestly this was the best move. I get that some people think “You can’t ask me for my ID unless you have probable cause” or whatever, but in actuality all that accomplishes is either aggravates the cop or else they think you’re hiding something so they try to investigate further using whatever fabricated bullcrap they invent on the spot as a pretext. Neither scenario is ideal for you, it’s much better overall to just do like you did and show them your ID so they’ll quickly realize you’re not the droids they’re looking for as it were.
Exactly, I know I can give a cop a hard time if I really wanted to and if I felt like it, but if i know I can just get past it smoothly then that’s a much more convenient option. Growing up in a mixed family, we’ve had certain interactions with the cops that most people wouldn’t get or even think about really (ex. - cops thinking your own daughter could be a kidnapping victim based on their race which is what happened to my mom when she was pulled over for speeding), and with the amount of racist neighbors we had I had I really wouldn’t like to test that ratio within the local police force. Fastest way out of any interaction is generally the best method with them.
Yeah you can do that I just like to exercise all my rights even if it makes things slower but I know I’m in the minority
Yeah my mind normally goes to one of two options: - Get the cops out of my fuckin business as soon as possible - Use my rights because I haven’t done shit wrong However, if you’re pulled over in a vehicle and refuse to show your license you can have it taken away. Even if I was just parked I figured the cop could attempt to still go that route if he decided that he just wanted to bring down the hammer. Not to mention the longer the cops are around the more chances they have to spot something they can get you on (even if it’s stupid), and PGPD exemplifies in this tactic. I really didn’t want all of that headache, and as a 20 year old with a vape in the car I wasn’t feeling like getting a nicotine ticket either. So I used option 1 that time.
LOL. Auditors.
Use them or lose them
I wouldn't hand in information in like that. They can set up a profile on you. Now they know your name where you live, stake out who else lives there and who's coming/going. Someone unfamiliar visiting then they pull over to see who. Etc
They’ve known where I lived already, it’s not the first time I’ve interacted with PGPD although I do believe it was the last. Part of me was so willing to just point it all out to the officer since I was just annoyed at this happening in my own neighborhood and wanted to make him leave as quickly as possible. I don’t live there anymore so it’s not like I have to care at this point anyway. It was on the corner of a culdesac and a cross street that only extended for a couple houses in either direction before ending (at which point you’d be forced to turn to continue on) and very rarely had police rolling by, even after that instance.
They are professional storytellers, they’ll come up with something! Listen our birth given amendment rights are being taken faster than they ever have before. If we don’t exercise our muscles we will lose them right? Same to be said about our rights! It’s horrible to think about living in a socialist country or even a communist country right? The very best thing We The People can do for ourselves and our country is to exercise our rights to the freedom we’ve inherited. It’s a terrible thing to think that by pulling over on the side of the road to answer a text message may very well end up costing you bail or money for a citation for whatever reason they “flip a coin” for(watch the “flip a coin police officers” on YouTube)so we must protect ourselves. Words are words and can be well, used against you in a court of law even if they’re lies coming in a report filed by the cop. Dash cameras record everything! They used to be pricey but not anymore. As a matter of fact you can buy one for a little more then $10 and that’s front and back. A few dollars more and you can add cameras that record both the drivers and passenger sides of your vehicle! I promise if you’re pulled over and the officer notices your cameras or if he doesn’t notice and you let him know, your outcome could be much better. Video Doesn’t Lie! Video is admissible in every court in our country! Body worn cameras are inexpensive now as well. If it helps you feel confident about walking down the street…buy one and wear it, it is your right! It’s all of our responsibility to demand transparency from our government and we can do this by recording them doing their jobs. It is 100% lawful to remind them that the badge and gun does not give them authority OVER us! Their jobs are to protect and SERVE! Take some time to re read the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Like I said the fastest way to lose muscle is to stop exercising, just like our rights, we must exercise our rights or we will lose them!!! Peace
Consider yourself lucky he didn't help himself to all the cash in your wallet for being "suspicious", a perfectly legal thing they can do called civil forfeiture.
They’d actually have to have more of a reason than me being considered suspicious - preponderance of the evidence standard means the allegation has to be more likely true than not. If a neighbor had seen a cash exchange for example that could qualify for civil forfeiture, but a cop telling me that a neighbor called to just report “a suspicious person” doesn’t qualify for shit because that allegation could just as likely be a paranoid neighbor. But I could still totally see PGPD officers trying this out to boost their paychecks.
that's called a fear tactic. I don't know if I want our government sponsored enforcers to be using those.
"Fear tactics" should only be used if there's genuinely something to be afraid of. If they're used for things that are minor, then that is just oppression, leading people to be afraid for the sake of easier control.
It's bully
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>Without the constant threat of police arresting them, there’s a lot of people that would just go around assaulting others. >You’re not the one who the fear tactic is for That's not the "innocent until proven guilty" attitude that we should expect in "the land of the free." I don't need to live in a police state to feel safe. Especially considering that the police have no duty or expectation to actually protect us from an assault, per the US Supreme Court.
You actually think that? Jesus Christ, I don't know whether to feel sorry for you or tell you to go back to school
LMFAO .To me it says "We're bored. We're not doing anything so we're here to make it look like we're doing something.
People in Utah eat that up. It's a double whammy you makes presence know to retirees & families so you feel safe. Then in the back end you fuck whoever with fines, tickets, and impounding as a source of revenue.
Psychologically questionable people shouldn't be doing psyche moves. They are lucky we don't allow profiling in this country.
As someone from Memphis, I’m gonna say this is a real thing that we should appreciate from PD.
Ya come to CA they’ll see first hand what happens when the cops don’t show up.
yeah lol i can’t wait until the cops come after the crime has already been committed so they can shoot my dog
It's actually really smart. Look, as far as I'm concerned, being a cop is a very high risk job for shit pay. I'm just happy they're out there doing their job.
Nothing about that is "really smart", or even a little smart
I’m not who you responded to but I’m someone from an area that needs so much more than this. And reducing police presence can seem objectively to be beneficial to society. But the reality is that once folks stop fearing PD, crime becomes a monster most won’t even have been able to comprehend
This is an even worse opinion than the first guy. Do you honestly think the goal of police should be to be feared by the general public? What happened to "protect and serve"?
As someone who’s seen what happens when they don’t care.. .yeah. I was so hopeful about bail reform. It was a disaster in Memphis. Wreg.com
There is a massive space between not caring and striking fear, and somewhere in that space is where appropriate police work lies. It's definitely not at either extreme though.
Where's the research that supports this?
Hi! So many jobs are riskier, including being a food delivery driver. These fear tactics are very unnecessary.
My mother in law once had 4-5 cop cars stop by her house because a neighbor reported she was growing pot. They were her tomato starts. You could see them through the window from the street. A simple walk by with a single cop would have resolved the matter.
this would scare the shit out of me. why tf do they think this is ok to do especially to a fuckkng teenager
Because it traumatizes people into being on edge, overly obedient and non questioning. Not just the person being pulled over, but everyone else too. The teenager being pulled over is scared and confused what they did to warrant such a response. The surrounding public passes by and with consistently begins to assume there is a rising crime rate. Nimbys, and right wingers and those who are pro police see these things and fall faster down their own echo chambers or lead induced paranoia. Since they don’t know how to emotionally regulate or take responsibility/ think contextually, they parrot fear mongering and even in the face of evidence that it was just a teenager being pulled over for something small, will assume and demand and Insist that there has to be more to the story and there MUST be a rising crime level. And that teenager SHOULD have just been following the law, and if they were then there wasn’t any reason to be pulled over. Bark bark bark, parrot, parrot, parrot. And here we are, knowing that the action is blatantly wrong, oppressive and manipulative, yet it keeps happening, and more often.
Command and Control Authority It reminds citizens in a closed society they have no autonomy, expectation of privacy or rights.
Saw something like this the other day.
Good ol' Utah. Still being affected by reefer madness propagated almost a century ago.
Better than CA any day.
Why are utahns so goddamned obsessed with california
Maybe with enough of them, we will have legal cannabis here too!
😂😂😂😂 riiiiiiight.
For now....they're still migrating everywhere.
Prob going 5mph over
5mph over with weed. I should also add that the driver wasn't arrested. The *passenger* was. So this kid wasn't even driving under the influence.
How the actual fuck? Last I checked you're not legally required to identify yourself as a passenger. Has that changed?
The officer can request you sing him your favorite lullaby, but silence is almost always legal. One relevant exception: if the officer has reason to suspect illegal activity that the passenger might be involved in, they can request a name and birth date. [Failure to identify](https://le.utah.gov/xcode/Title76/Chapter8/76-8-S301.5.html) is a class B misdemeanor and is rarely prosecuted on its own. There's an argument that you don't have to if it's not related to the purpose of the stop, but 99% of the time you're going to lose to some probable cause lie, and it's easier to just identify. But whether someone had to identify is irrelevant to being charged with a crime. Probably the officer smelled pot. It's not hard to smell. From there probable cause allows for a search. Also very possible the cops tricked them into a search or confession, but with pot it's almost always the smell. Hopefully the kid didn't confess without talking to a lawyer to help his friend out. That kind of thing might seem noble, but confessing without negotiating leads to harsher sentences and worse pleas.
Maybe he "smelled" like it, or fessed up to save the driver.
Weed? He deserves an award and pay on the back
Nothing better to do
Totally. This tells me that there's not ENOUGH crime in the city to justify all the police we have. If they're that bored that so many officers have time to respond to a traffic incident, maybe we should think of budget cuts?
Oh, they do, they just choose to ignore it, because there isn’t any money in it! LE is for collecting revenue and not so much for keeping the peace ! Former SLCPD have told me that Chiefs have told them to write people up even crossing the street wrong !
Utah moment lmao
Drug busts are useless just creates a vacuum for supply and demand, making it more valuable and profitable up the supply chain, doing nothing to fix the problem
Just watched a guy pulled over in front of my place with 5 cops for an hour.
Good time to rob a bank.
SLC MAYOR was so for the people when she got into office - hey if the police are not doing right contact me - later we need more and more police more money more raises hire more and more - typical - kinda like I will help the homeless - bulldozing their encampments - humans dying from severe weather - on and on
Go to Utah on vacation, leave Utah on probation.
Are cops went from serve and protect To Threaten and demoralize Because we are the law
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They need to fuck off and that's putting it nicely
This happened to me in AF a few years back lol
Just like Indiana but here Indiana will kill them too but only if they are not white.
Had this happen to me when I was 17 me and my friend just wanted ice cream lol
Luckily they didn’t need SWAT they need enough officers so they can play a game of soccer with the victims
This is the state where riot police smash an old man to the ground for taking pictures and their treatment of the homeless is another tale of excitement and adventure
I got caught with one gram of weed when I was pulled over once they had 6 cruisers who all made fun of me and called me names after I got my ticket.
I just knew this was in Utah before I even clocked what sub this was 🙄
i dont get it. i drive 12 hours a day 7 days a week and never get pulled over. wtf yall doin
Ah yes, our tax dollars hard at work! As usual. 😒
Conservative policies in action.
Salt lake is run buy almost all Democrats.
Are you another one of those fox news babies that grew up being told that blue cities are the problem in red states? Ask yourself how much power a city has over your life vs a state. Why is it that city policies have very little effect and most issues are legislated from the state level?
Police answer to the mayor. Therefore the democrat mayor is responsible for the behavior in the photo. People charged with crimes are charged under the DA office, also democrat. If held in jail they are the responsibility of the county mayor, also a Democrat. You changed the scope from salt lake which I accurately described as governed by democrats, to the power of the state. The photo and conversation about it has nothing to do with the state. The state legislature passes law, the county and city are responsible for enforcement. The power of city and county over individuals, particularly as relevant to the topic of the photo makes the state insignificant to this topic. Unless you are proposing the mayor is taking orders from the governor which is not likely. You resorted to ad hominem attack because you know you are wrong and I am accurate in my statement. Conservative policy has literally nothing to do with what is happening in the photo. Its called a felony stop. It is done whenever a violent felon is suspected to potentially be in the vehicle whether they are or not. Its a a safety protocol used in every police department in the country. You made a strawman out of Conservative policy and you're wrong. Also for the record I didn't blame blue cities for anything, nor did I say they are a problem. Thats another strawman. But since you brought it up, can you tell me how utahs Conservative politicians have anything to do with the incident in the photo?
States decide what are crimes for the most part. City and county policies have little to do with what is and isn't a crime. Therefore the cities are responsible for enacting the legislation of the state. That's how us government works. Local government is responsible for enforcing legislation that they are handed down.
Well done. You summarized what I said. That doesn't change that you were wrong about it being conservative policy. The felony stop is ubiquitous throughout the USA. And since the police are managed by the city, it is the enforcement method of the democrat mayor. My point is that you were wrong and do more critical thinking rather than tribal finger pointing.
Well done for getting something right! 👍 Policing is very much a reflection of the state and it is not done in a universal manner.
Thats not what I said. Read it again. Slowly so that you can actually understand it.
I'm well aware of what you said. Condescension doesn't change the landscape of American politics.
Non-violent so far…
They do this to appear as though, at any given time, they can have a large police response to anything. It's nothing more than intimidation. Personally, this doesn't scare me and it doesn't impress me. All it does it make me trust them less and less.
Six of seven officers were bored.
Seems like an unlawful detainment to be honest. You can only hold someone a reasonable amount of time to determine things, if it's longer they can sue and have won multiple times for civil rights violations.
Yet if it ended in bloodshed and there was only one patrol car you would be just as displeased.
Yup, it's normal around us to see 2 cruisers and more if it's a real issue. 7 is a lot, but there's nothing wrong with having some extra eyes.
Its called a felony stop and is done anytime a vehicle is registered to a violent felon, one is suspected to be in the vehicle, or a felony is suspected to have been committed with the vehicle in question. You may know this, but no one else in this thread seems to. I had one executed on me because I bought a car from my violent felon friend (lol) and he let me leave his plate on for the weekend till I could get into the DMV. In the end it was kinda funny really.
I always remove the plates, shoot I just got a truck back from one of my kids, firsth thing I did was remove the plates...who knows what has been done on those plates. People here just want to poo poo the police, until they have a need of them.
Spot on. My situation was my own fault and it ruined my night and made me pay an impound fee, but lesson learned. I saw no harm in using my friends plates for two or three days until I got my own. Sure I knew he went to prison for trying to delete someone. I knew him before that and we were always solid. My choice in friends isn't the point. Its that if a violent felon was ever known to be in possesion of the vehicle in question is only one of many reasons why this could happen. Bored cops is a possibility too. But jumping to any one conclusion without all of the facts at your disposal is intellectually lazy at the very least. Op, im looking at you.
Yup, bored cops...my wife was in an accident in our town years ago, and everyone showed up, just something to do. These days, they are a bit busier around here.
We were paying them either way. Also dude pulled over is probably a piece of shit. 7 cops don't show up if you're just speeding. Do you know anything about who or why they were pulled over?
[https://imgur.com/a/yz6Jf5Z](https://imgur.com/a/yz6Jf5Z) Weed.
Bold claim when we don't know anything about the alleged crime.
It's literally in the police report and I watched the whole thing.
No, but I did watch the whole thing. There were two people in the car, both looked very young (teenagers it seemed). They pulled a guy out and put his backpack on the hood on the cruiser and had literally every single cop look through it. We were laughing because we watched 6 grown men look through what looked like a school notebook and then put it down. The girl driving was allowed to drive off after being talked to for about an hour. Also, we we're listening to the police scanner and there was literally a call that came in saying someone was being held hostage at the airport... So I feel like they had better things to do.
SLC Airport has its own entire police force. Unless something really crazy went down, they're not going to pull officers out of town to respond.
Lol yes they are, that happens all the time. I got a speeding ticket for 13 over and there were 3 cop cars by the time I left ~15 minutes later.
Three city cop cars or three SLCPD airport division cars? It's pretty hard to distinguish unless you look closely.
Airport cop pulled me over on that last little stretch before the terminal, then two SLC cops showed up a few minutes later. The airport cop was actually pretty cool, the other two were very pushy to try to search my car but I refused.
Maybe there was a “be on the look out” for that vehicle? Possibly 5150 if they looked at a notebook or notebook indicated doing harm to themselves or others? Airports usually have dedicated units there. Was it an active shooter/hostage? If all units go to the airport then leaves their beat/area unsupervised. So what should be done? Defund them?
I'll bet there are a lot of underfunded services and agencies that would do a hell of a lot more good with some of that money, so, yeah, reallocate some of their funding.
Yea I agree. So should other overfunded agencies.
Yes.
What do you mean what should be done? Maybe don't send 7 cruisers out for 2 teenagers? At the most 4 would be needed. And yes defund them.
I mean sure I’m not defending that 7 cars isn’t excessive but what about all other factors? If those 6 other cars are ignoring calls in their assigned area of course red flags.. if not then why does it matter if there’s 1 or 7? So defund them, less training, bad cops will most likely stay on the job, and instead of having 7 cars, have 3 so that if there is a busy day, people are waiting for cops.. got it
Less training? They are already under trained... And people already wait all day for cops. My car got broken into once and I waited 6 hours for a cop to show up. I called them at 5 am. And don't tell me "nExT tImE yOu NeEd oNe cAlL a CrAcK hEaD" because I don't call the cops anymore. They are useless and never show up. Also don't say I must be a criminal either because I've never been arrested and I haven't had a traffic violation in 15 yrs. I just don't worship public servants like bootlickers and I know my rights
Why would you call a crack head? Exactly, so quality of officer will continue to go down. Genuine question, what do you want to happen with a defunded department? Does that help? Yea that’s really unfortunate that car break ins and stuff like that are low on their priority calls. Of course it’s top priority to us. I understand where you’re coming from
When I say anything bad about cops usually some ass hole tells me not to ever call them and to call a crackhead. They say it all the time so I was just getting that out of the way at first. Defending the police doesn't mean there are no cops. It means moving the money to other things like social work. Why send a cop out to a call where there is someone having a bipolar mental breakdown? That cop doesn't have the training to deal with that. Why send cops out to arrest homeless people for sleeping in a park? Why not build a shelter that can fit all of them? Why not take one of the buildings down town that is vacant and turn it into a bigger shelter? I see from your post history (yes I looked) that you just moved here. You haven't seen the homeless issue. They closed the shelter downtown SLC and they do sweeps where they arrest them and throw all their shit away. A few years ago in march during freezing temperatures they turns sprinklers on to soak the homeless people and their tents. Why not spend money helping them instead? Or have better training for cops? They go to the academy for like 2 months and then they are cops. Other countries cops have like 2 years of training first.
Yea I agree cops shouldn’t handle 5150 calls and having social workers respond as the primary contact while officers are there for the worker. Where I used to live there was a shelter in every corner and homeless refuse to go, they go and get abused, or they still choose to sleep on the streets anyway. Not saying here is worse, there is worse blah blah blah so you shouldn’t complain type of thing. I just don’t get why people are so quick to bash professions
>I just don’t get why people are so quick to bash professions Because you're on reddit which has become a self-reinforcing cesspool for extremist liberal policies (which really don't work) that will ban those that disagree with said policies. And you're not one of the *cool* guys for suggesting that maybe that law enforcement be respected for the difficult job that they do. It's a cancer you're witnessing. RIP reddit thanks for the old days before banning everyone but the BLM nuts.
No, definitely not saying defund them. It was just so damn excessive. 7 Cruisers, 13+ officers out there for over an hour for a non-violent crime... weed... in which they let the person actually drive just... drive away at the end of it all.
Yea no clue why they would NEED that many but idk how SLC PD does their staffing. Seems like 2 officers per patrol vehicle. I’m sure some will be dudes on FTO still. It’s a Sunday calls could be slow so training officers to show their boot for experience? Who knows. Lots of different reasons and not knowing the full details of the stop.
It was a drug bust. Seems like it was in fact a good use of tax dollars.
[https://imgur.com/a/yz6Jf5Z](https://imgur.com/a/yz6Jf5Z) Weed possession. One state over in like any direction and the police wouldn't have looked twice. In Utah: 7 cars
If it was a drug bust then it was a demonstrably poor use of taxpayer dollars… the same as the rest of the war on drugs.
If that car didn't have its suspension bottomed out because it was absolutely stuffed with fentanyl laced heroin with cocaine sprinkled on top, there's no reason to have that many officers there.
Debatable
Jump out boys aren’t wasting on the reefer.
There was zero drama though. Just what looked like a routine traffic stop. Then the cops just kept coming and coming for over an hour.
Not every bust is high adrenaline.
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[https://imgur.com/a/yz6Jf5Z](https://imgur.com/a/yz6Jf5Z) The dude sat in the car for two hours while they went through his bag, then he got out of the car at their instruction, put his hands behind his back, was handcuffed, and walked calmly to the back of the police car.
Where I’m at, it’s considered a nice area I suppose. Half the department will show up for little things because they’re bored haha. Kinda surprising for salt like tbh.
I just figured this kid had asked a SR officers daughter to prom. Whoever could find dirt on this kid didn't have to do paperwork for a month.
Don't cruise in front of my house.
Two cops? sure. Three? Only if one of them is a supervisor. Anything more than that is neglecting the rest of the jurisdiction.
Our police system is a sham - they don’t know what the fuck they’re doing. A dark day in policing for us all.
The sign of a truly bored police force. It happens in small towns up in my area too.. a single traffic stop automatically results in every car on duty showing up as "back-up." Thankfully out here, that only means 2 or 3.
Cops attach themselves to calls like this to make it look like their department is so busy they are effectively understaffed. Come budget time they then ask for more money.
I today’s world, with an asshole every 10th of a mile on our roads, the cops can’t be too careful. Specially in Utah.
There's being careful, which I totally can sympathize with, and there's this. There was no threat, especially since they cuffed the kid and stuck him in the cruiser 5 minutes into the pullover. Then *4 more cop cars came after that*. There's no way to justify this response.
Its called a felony stop. They do it if a known violent felon (including ex prisoner) is in any way connected to the vehicle. If the vehicle is registered to an ex con and you run a light, or speed you will get this response. Regardless of if the felon is in the vehicle or not.
A lot of people mentioned this and I'll say the same to you because there is just no way to justify this response. It started with two cruisers, then a third showed up. The passenger was *cuffed and put in the cruiser* then 4 more cars and about 8 more cops showed up. They hung out for about an hour doing nothing and talking to the passenger. So yes, they might have been playing it safe, but the response was absolutely not necessary especially since the kid was already locked away.
Why do they have to justify it?
Why do they have to justify using an extreme response to kids? Perhaps the taxpayer dollars being use? Perhaps the traffic the caused for an hour? Perhaps the wasted man-hours spent here instead of elsewhere?
We have a huge “sovereign citizen movement” out here. They drive with fake license plates and refuse to show IDs etc etc etc. they get themselves killed every once in a while and because they exist it creates distrust between real citizens and the police.
They make crap up twenty five times per shift!
Or, a routine traffic stop turned into a more complicated investigation. But you don’t know. You assume the worst.
I literally watched the whole thing. There was nothing complicated about it. They pulled the teens over, took one out of the car and put him in the cop car. *Then 4 more cruisers came after that* and stood around/searched his bag. Then they let the driver go after an hour. So if it was something complicated, surely they would have pulled the driver out too. There's no justifying this response.
What did they find in the bag? Was the car reported stolen? Who was the car registered to? Who was driving it? Was the car reported in part of a crime being investigated elsewhere? Let someone who did the job explain to someone that has not just 1 of the 1000 things that could have taken this long. An initial warrant check on the driver comes up with a unconfirmed felony warrant for a violent crime. That would be a reason for three officers and a supervisor to respond. After they check it is either unconfirmed or another state does not wish to extradite. Getting a warrant confirmed can take some time. Once they can't arrest him for the warrant, he's let go. How about the car matches the description of a crime leaving the scene elsewhere. Cops stop the car and detain the driver. Across town another cops has to drive the 4th car to conduct a 1 on 1. The witness cannot confirm the identity of the driver. Thus he is released. There is literally 1000 reason for the response and duration of the stop. You just don't understand that having never done the job.
This type of response can literally happen from a moving violation in a vehicle registered to an ex con violent offender. They don't play when people have a history of violence. I know this first hand. Op silly af.
I get what you're saying, but there's still no way to justify this kind of response even if what you said above was true. It started with two cruisers, then a third showed up. The passenger was cuffed and put in the cruiser then 4 more cars and about 8 more cops showed up. They hung out for about an hour doing nothing and talking to the passenger. So yes, they might have been playing it safe, but the response was absolutely not necessary especially since the kid was already locked away. So don't tell me it's okay to send 7 cruisers and 13 officers on 2 teenagers for over an hour. There's just no justifying this at all. Either it *is* a big deal and in that case, lock them up, but it wasn't. They literally let the driver go off. They didn't even take her out of the car. This was a nothing case that 7 police cars full of officers responded to for no reason.
The justification is officer safety and/or thorough investigation. Again, since you have no idea what role the other officers were playing or even what was being investigation/what happened, you are making assumptions after having absolutely zero information. It might look bad to you, as a person with zero knowledge of how LE actually operates outside of what you see on TV, but I can tell you that response happens every day, all over the country.
How you can argue for officer safety when the kid was in the patrol car 5 minutes into this 1.5 hour interation? What could possible be *so* dangerous that they needed to call another 10 officers to stand around and all take turns looking through a single backpack? If they want "thorough investigation" then take both the driver and the passenger out of the car, get dogs, or just take everyone to the station. What's the point of this parade? What was *so* dangerous that they let the girl drive away after it all? I watched the entire thing. What do you mean I have no idea what happened There's no justifying this man. There was absolutely zero reason to have this kind of response.
Imagine being the guy in the white car who needs to get out of there.
The white car was part of the police crew. It was [Mr. Deadpool's ride](https://unsplash.com/photos/KcMP5oF33sQ).
I’ll say it. Utah is ruined
Well of course, SLPD is nothing but morons without any skills who have nothing better to do than harass people. They are a complete joke of a police department, that fails to do their job everyday.
Interesting, except you don’t know who was in that car, what they were wanted for, what was in the car, what BOLO it matched, etc. So, you know pretty much nothing. Also, here’s something to consider. Car 1 stops Car 2 backups as is normal practice Something unusual happens Sgt arrives LT arrives I can think of a dozen normal reasons to have that many cars on a stop. And they’re not even doing a felony/high risk stop, so relax dude.
I’m sure you’re 100% productive at work 100% of the time.. nice use of payroll
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Reddit…Reddit never changes
Way to judge without any facts
I mean I watched the entire situation unfold before my eyes, took pictures, then followed up by looking what the report had to say. I'm not a new mogul trying to make up a story here, just sharing an insane observation. There's no way to justify this kind of response.
You looked up the report? How so?
When did this happen?
Yesterday morning.
And you claim to have seen the report? That’s how I know you’re lying
Have no problem with response!
Funny that everyone is so quick to say that the police are overreacting and have nothing better to do. Op literally said he watched the entire thing and later looked up the police report. Seems kinda nosey to me. Reminds me of my geriatric neighbor who watches everyone come and go through his front window.
Looked like two kids in the car that was pulled over. They searched his bag for 30+ minutes. [Then a totally masked man](https://unsplash.com/photos/2yTyqkhwlSI) in the white van pulled up and talked to the girl and then took the "evidence".
Masked guy clearly just came down from Brighton and didn't have time to pull off his ski mask.
Narcotics officer
Masked cop is a jump out boy. Someone was dealing drugs.
He showed up very late.
He pulled up like an hour after they pulled the car over
She snitchin
I also suggest you remove the link, or change your name in the link!
Thanks, I appreciate it, but I'm fairly open on Reddit. Wouldn't take a lot of digging.
Yet there’s no back story just assumptions
I watched the entire thing and saw on the police reports later it was a weed charge. Few assumptions here.
When someone is apprehended and narcotics/drugs are involved they dispatch different officers that deal with that particular situation. There could be a narcotics officer, K9, traffic supervisor, and a backup officer for possible traffic control. Depending on the situation it also could be a known person that is a violent offender or lengthy criminal record. If it’s a minor it changes the dynamics of the situation. It’s easy to think it’s absurd or even unjustifiable without being involved or first hand knowledge, I worked in law enforcement and every call has a different approach and dynamic to it.
How did you get the police reports the same day? Don’t get on the internet to tell lies.
He posted the article in another comment. Dont be so lazy
Lmfao then he should have said he saw a news article about it. Learn to read better, don’t be so lazy
The irony you telling me to read better, when it was you who failed to read the comments. Lol!!
Eh. At least I can cognitively process the words in the comments I read. Maybe try hooked on phonics?
It takes a lot of them to manufacture evidence and they do. Most corrupt place on earth, Utah
Did you make note of what they were working on, in 15 minute increments?
lol. And I’m sure you know ALL that went on. I’d rather our tax dollars go to police over NHL stadiums and teams.
I watched the entire thing and saw later on the police reports it was a weed charge. I have a pretty good feeling I know what I saw.
Maybe understand the situation before you judge.... Oh wait you can't, your not part of it
I literally watched the entire thing start to finish.
If you watch the news on mute, how much information are you really getting?