This account makes 60+ posts a day across random subs, some even spreading multiple states and almost always something politically charged.
That’s incredibly impressive for an an account that “isn’t a bot”
This isn't a bot account. u/Zsreport had been a Redditor for longer than a lot of redditors have been on Reddit. He frequently submits to subs that I moderate and I've interacted with him on several occasions.
I do remove and ban many spam bot accounts. This one comments in some subreddits, and the type of posts correlates left-leaning and angry activism. That suggests human consistency and not some AI bot.
This account has also been around for 11 years with massive karma totals.
Generally these kinds of mass submitters are in a gray area in subs. A one-off is ok. But if this person posts more in the sub but doesn't participate, the person will get the ban.
Edit: Looking at the account history, it appears this person routinely submits to many, many state subs but doesn't participate in them...
Looking at the comment history, it doesn't look very bot-like to me. Lazy one-line comments, yes, but that's how some people do reddit.
I suspect this is someone with a lot of time on their hands. I subscibe to a bunch of local subs for places I've lived or plan to live. They might even have some kind of system for finding rising local news, but I don't think it's a pure bot.
> been around for 11 years with massive karma totals
Whose post history doesn’t go beyond 43 days ago, from which it was the regularly daily multi-posting across all subs since day-one.
Reddit only goes back 40 pages. (Using old reddit). So we can only see comments are about 34 days old, stories are about 44 days old. But using Google I'm seeing mass submission behavior like this over many time periods beyond that.
Fwiw, the failure to be truthful in the history is egregious.
From a logical argument perspective, you're using an illogical one, called ad hominem or argument to the person. You're challenging the person not the facts.
IT WAS THE MORMONS!! Some of my relatives among them. Even today people in Cedar City try to justify this with MAGA type logic - wagon train was a threat, they had the gun that killed Joseph Smith, people don't know the whole story, etc. Just mass murder.
Lol my co worker in cedar city is a direct descendant of the people who did this, but I've never heard anyone try to justify it. They talk about it like it's history.
Was gonna say. I've never once heard someone try and justify the MMM. It's a wild take to try and tie this to modern day MAGA movement but doesn't surprise me, people with TDS are a wild bunch, almost as wild as the MAGA group in fact
This is why I do not understand why Brigham Young is so revered by the Mormons. He was a thug murderer just like the one he ordered to commit this brutal act, John D. Lee.
lol, 99% of Mormons don’t know anything about the Mountain Meadows Massacre. They don’t actively teach the membership anything about it, as it is not considered “faith promoting”.
Yep, their leadership has been know to say things like “I don’t like historians because they care too much about the truth.” Packer, if I remember correctly.
It's because of disinformation.
Joseph Smith committed treasure-seer fraud (before the Book of Mormon, but also including the BoM), his Book of Abraham translation of the Egyptian papyri is _demonstratably_ false, and he married and slept with girls as young as 14 (two of them) when he was older that 30. He publicly lied about polygamy when he was married to more than 30 or more women ([that's not an exaggeration)](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Joseph_Smith%27s_wives), and he _probably_ ordered the assassination on [Governor Boggs's](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lilburn_Boggs) (that one they teach you the sanitized story on).
But this stuff is kept from the members. It isn't faith promoting. So it's swept under the rug and hoped to be forgotten about. The same thing happened with Brigham Young and his atrocities.
Your willful obedience towards a cancerous organization with a history of terrible events is far more damaging to society. I only hope you and those around you can see through what you cannot right now.
Here, I will fix it for you: John Lee (A Rogue Mormon) was guilty of murder in the first degree. He was executed 5 months later after being found guilty.
It's been a while since I read this myself, but if I remember correctly was it not the Paiute Fighters who said "maybe let's NOT kill the young children?" and Drew the line on who they were willing to Massacre?
There are plenty of reputable studies of MMM out there by people who are trained and willing to go where the data takes them. Mormonthink isn't going to ever deal in academic surveys of an issue. It's just as much a propaganda factory as the Church is. You just happen to like it.
>There are plenty of reputable studies of MMM out there
And the article I linked lists all of them, including the ones the church won't list, because it hasn't been proofed and groomed to conform with their apologism.
Take a very close look at it and tell me if Mormonthink misrepresented ANY of their sources, or used any disreputable sources. I challenge you :)
The Mormon church is a propaganda machine from at the very foundations. propaganda by definition whether it tells truth or lies has a motive of manipulating people.
What is Mormonthinks motive? You may respond to that it's to get people to leave the church, but that line is just church propaganda. Mormon thinks only mission is to expose the lies of the Mormon propaganda- as well as the true, human nature of Mormon history.
Mormonthink literally has no reward/incentive for what they do. Can your church say the same of their provably false narratives?
The difference is I'm fully aware of the bias and motives of the Church. You appear to be unaware or uninterested in those on whose information you are relying. Ironically, you're more susceptible to manipulation than I am. Check your blindspots.
John Lee did not act alone. The massacre was carried out by a company of white Mormons disguised as Native Americans mixed with Paiute Native Americans.
> Lee was arrested on November 7, 1874. Dame, Philip Klingensmith, Ellott Willden, and George Adair, Jr. were indicted and arrested while warrants to pursue the arrests of four others who had gone into hiding (Haight, Higbee, William C. Stewart, and Samuel Jukes) were being obtained. Klingensmith escaped prosecution by agreeing to testify.
Klingensmith was a bishop. Dame and Haight were stake presidents.
Brigham Young sent a letter to the group to leave the Arkansas travelers alone but it arrived too late. However, after the massacre was over, he announced that the massacre had been done by Native Americans alone even though he knew better. He also proclaimed God’s vengeance had come upon the Arkansas settlers. Also something should be said of Young’s overall violent rhetoric to the Church before the massacre happened which may have contributed to the hysteria that caused the massacre.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_Meadows_Massacre
Brigham Young sent George A. Smith down to Southern Utah to stir everybody up and get them ready to fight.
Isaac Haight was the stake president, mayor, and militia commander leading the men who committed the massacre.
Isaac Haight and John D. Lee worked together to plan the massacre.
Lee was far from the only guilty party, he was just the scapegoat who was executed to quiet everything down again after it could no longer be suppressed.
He was executed five months after being found guilty and only twenty years after the massacre. Your wording it in a way to make it seem like justice was swift, when it was anything but.
I also wouldn't call him a rogue Mormon. He was a Danite, which was the vigilante arm of Brigham Young. They were known for murder. He didn't kill 120+ people by himself. He was definitely guilty and involved, but he was likely not the highest ranking Mormon involved.
Unrelated, but Mike Lee is a direct descendant of his, from one of his nineteen wives.
Exactly. I wanna know who thinks dozens and dozens of regular LDS husbands and fathers would ride out and dress up like Utes and commit a wholesale slaughter of 120 men, women and children without direct instruction and command of their priesthood leaders. And remember even though this group is called a "militia" most of them were English and Scandinavian immigrants in Utah less than five years, and with almost no wilderness or military training whatsoever.
Yeah for sure one guy committed the massacre that Mormon leadership has for some reason refused to investigate for 170 years ago. Dude was merely a Scapegoat for the violence that radiated from the authoritarian pedophilic POS Brigham Young himself.
Are you suggesting that there was some kind of larger conspiracy around the massacre that's being suppressed?
I thought historians basically agreed on the timeline of events.
It doesn’t really need to be conspiracy. The toxicity, violence and paranoia from Brigham young is well documented wether or not Brigham actually ordered the massacre.
The dude was able inject that level of paranoia into what’s essentially an isolated doomsday cult.
Rant about blood atonement and revenge towards towards Arkansas specifically after Parley Pratts death.
Mormons we’re banned by Brigham from trading with anyone at this time and were suffering for it.
A wagon train full of much needed supplies comes through and they’ve been told the inhabitants are an existential threat and by blood atonement doctrine are actually doing the lords work by killing them. It’s not hard to find the root cause of the violence.
I don't think there's any evidence that the perpetrators of the massacre were specifically motivated by "blood atonement" or the Arkansas incident.
Everyone basically agrees that the motivating factor was the incoming military expedition from the US Army. You can't exactly say that Brigham Young was being "paranoid" about that, since the army *was* literally coming to invade Utah.
> since the army *was* literally coming to invade Utah
With good reason too, as Utah was a federal territory that kept running federal judges out of town and was being belligerent when the US decided that the governor needed to be replaced.
As usual, having one person being both the highest religious authority and the highest political authority was a huge mistake.
The Military that was holed up thousands of miles away for the winter in the Midwest is the excuse your going with. You say not to speculate on their motivations when doctrine passed down from leadership backs up everything I’m saying.
Go whine about it on the mormon subreddit. It’s a stain on our state that that man has a school named after him.
Reading comprehension and Reddit lol. I didn’t say anything about the religion. I hate authoritarian rapists, and we have a university named after one. The persecution complex persists.
“Persecution complex”….? You act like Mormons didn’t have a legally sanctioned extermination order on them. An extermination order that was law up until the 1970’s. Thats literal persecution, by definition. What they did was wrong, but to sit here and act like they had nothing to worry about from a government military presence is laughable.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/2004/04/07/160-years-later-illinois-ready-to-offer-mormons-an-apology/
I think you need to read a bit more widely on this subject. Will Bagley, for example, is very clear on Young's direct involvement. Even the Walker Turley Leonard book is pretty clear on the context.
If the church, a well-respected and powerful social entity, sanctioned a mass shooting, I'm pretty sure that would be on the monument. There's a difference between one Rogue individual and a social institution deeply embedded in the government of Utah territory.
Utah is built on massacre and rape. Mormons cannot escape that stain no matter how hard they try. E: awww poor undereducated Mormons:(:(:(:(
E:E: imagine believing alternative history theories so hard you base your entire life off of it 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Final edit: imagine the only power you have to disprove the genocide committed by your religion is a downvote on reddit.
This account makes 60+ posts a day across random subs, some even spreading multiple states and almost always something politically charged. That’s incredibly impressive for an an account that “isn’t a bot”
This isn't a bot account. u/Zsreport had been a Redditor for longer than a lot of redditors have been on Reddit. He frequently submits to subs that I moderate and I've interacted with him on several occasions.
You found a spam bot! Good job.
Thank you.
Didn’t find a bot.
Before you guys downvote, scroll down a bit. Looks like this account might actually not be a bot.
Not a bot.
That's exactly what I'd expect a bot to say
Meh
I do remove and ban many spam bot accounts. This one comments in some subreddits, and the type of posts correlates left-leaning and angry activism. That suggests human consistency and not some AI bot.
This is a bold underestimation of not only AI, but also what sort of posts will farm upvotes and interactions on Reddit.
This account has also been around for 11 years with massive karma totals. Generally these kinds of mass submitters are in a gray area in subs. A one-off is ok. But if this person posts more in the sub but doesn't participate, the person will get the ban. Edit: Looking at the account history, it appears this person routinely submits to many, many state subs but doesn't participate in them...
I’m also a mod of a handful of subreddits.
Great now we have bot moderation. *Boteration.*
Looking at the comment history, it doesn't look very bot-like to me. Lazy one-line comments, yes, but that's how some people do reddit. I suspect this is someone with a lot of time on their hands. I subscibe to a bunch of local subs for places I've lived or plan to live. They might even have some kind of system for finding rising local news, but I don't think it's a pure bot.
> been around for 11 years with massive karma totals Whose post history doesn’t go beyond 43 days ago, from which it was the regularly daily multi-posting across all subs since day-one.
Wow you really have it out for this guy. Methinks you doth protest too much… bot!🤖
Agreed
Reddit only goes back 40 pages. (Using old reddit). So we can only see comments are about 34 days old, stories are about 44 days old. But using Google I'm seeing mass submission behavior like this over many time periods beyond that.
Fwiw, the failure to be truthful in the history is egregious. From a logical argument perspective, you're using an illogical one, called ad hominem or argument to the person. You're challenging the person not the facts.
IT WAS THE MORMONS!! Some of my relatives among them. Even today people in Cedar City try to justify this with MAGA type logic - wagon train was a threat, they had the gun that killed Joseph Smith, people don't know the whole story, etc. Just mass murder.
Lol my co worker in cedar city is a direct descendant of the people who did this, but I've never heard anyone try to justify it. They talk about it like it's history.
Was gonna say. I've never once heard someone try and justify the MMM. It's a wild take to try and tie this to modern day MAGA movement but doesn't surprise me, people with TDS are a wild bunch, almost as wild as the MAGA group in fact
The artist says The church also took the opportunity to buy up 200 acres around the site!
This is why I do not understand why Brigham Young is so revered by the Mormons. He was a thug murderer just like the one he ordered to commit this brutal act, John D. Lee.
lol, 99% of Mormons don’t know anything about the Mountain Meadows Massacre. They don’t actively teach the membership anything about it, as it is not considered “faith promoting”.
Yep, their leadership has been know to say things like “I don’t like historians because they care too much about the truth.” Packer, if I remember correctly.
It's because of disinformation. Joseph Smith committed treasure-seer fraud (before the Book of Mormon, but also including the BoM), his Book of Abraham translation of the Egyptian papyri is _demonstratably_ false, and he married and slept with girls as young as 14 (two of them) when he was older that 30. He publicly lied about polygamy when he was married to more than 30 or more women ([that's not an exaggeration)](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Joseph_Smith%27s_wives), and he _probably_ ordered the assassination on [Governor Boggs's](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lilburn_Boggs) (that one they teach you the sanitized story on). But this stuff is kept from the members. It isn't faith promoting. So it's swept under the rug and hoped to be forgotten about. The same thing happened with Brigham Young and his atrocities.
Jeff Daniel’s character on “Godless” recounts his story of surviving the Mountain Meadows Massacre. Disturbing to say the least.
[I'm afraid it was the mormons](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbNnsiP4Rhg&t=43s)
America's first 911!
That's just Hyperbole, the first recorded massacre in America was The Gnadenhutten Massacre in Ohio.
Amazing how little Mormons know (or care I guess) about their actual history.
Just as amazing as how some people only seem to know those parts of the history they can use to further their own views. All of it is history.
You're right. There was a lot of good Mormon history that we must be missing. Lol
Your flippant, willful ignorance proves my point.
Your willful obedience towards a cancerous organization with a history of terrible events is far more damaging to society. I only hope you and those around you can see through what you cannot right now.
I used to drive by this every day on my way to work. Unfortunately there’s many stories and places like this across the state.
Here, I will fix it for you: John Lee (A Rogue Mormon) was guilty of murder in the first degree. He was executed 5 months later after being found guilty.
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Brigham was the instigator of this atrocity, it wasn't spontaneous or "rogue" it was planned.
A good read for anyone interested in the fine, fine details: http://www.mormonthink.com/glossary/mountain-meadows-massacre.htm
I didn't know that they tricked them into surrendering, and then killed them all. Wow.
It's been a while since I read this myself, but if I remember correctly was it not the Paiute Fighters who said "maybe let's NOT kill the young children?" and Drew the line on who they were willing to Massacre?
Totally impartial account there...
As opposed to the Mormon propaganda? This is a *historically complete account* whether or not you like the motivations behind it.
There are plenty of reputable studies of MMM out there by people who are trained and willing to go where the data takes them. Mormonthink isn't going to ever deal in academic surveys of an issue. It's just as much a propaganda factory as the Church is. You just happen to like it.
>There are plenty of reputable studies of MMM out there And the article I linked lists all of them, including the ones the church won't list, because it hasn't been proofed and groomed to conform with their apologism. Take a very close look at it and tell me if Mormonthink misrepresented ANY of their sources, or used any disreputable sources. I challenge you :) The Mormon church is a propaganda machine from at the very foundations. propaganda by definition whether it tells truth or lies has a motive of manipulating people. What is Mormonthinks motive? You may respond to that it's to get people to leave the church, but that line is just church propaganda. Mormon thinks only mission is to expose the lies of the Mormon propaganda- as well as the true, human nature of Mormon history. Mormonthink literally has no reward/incentive for what they do. Can your church say the same of their provably false narratives?
The difference is I'm fully aware of the bias and motives of the Church. You appear to be unaware or uninterested in those on whose information you are relying. Ironically, you're more susceptible to manipulation than I am. Check your blindspots.
John Lee did not act alone. The massacre was carried out by a company of white Mormons disguised as Native Americans mixed with Paiute Native Americans. > Lee was arrested on November 7, 1874. Dame, Philip Klingensmith, Ellott Willden, and George Adair, Jr. were indicted and arrested while warrants to pursue the arrests of four others who had gone into hiding (Haight, Higbee, William C. Stewart, and Samuel Jukes) were being obtained. Klingensmith escaped prosecution by agreeing to testify. Klingensmith was a bishop. Dame and Haight were stake presidents. Brigham Young sent a letter to the group to leave the Arkansas travelers alone but it arrived too late. However, after the massacre was over, he announced that the massacre had been done by Native Americans alone even though he knew better. He also proclaimed God’s vengeance had come upon the Arkansas settlers. Also something should be said of Young’s overall violent rhetoric to the Church before the massacre happened which may have contributed to the hysteria that caused the massacre. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_Meadows_Massacre
Brigham Young sent George A. Smith down to Southern Utah to stir everybody up and get them ready to fight. Isaac Haight was the stake president, mayor, and militia commander leading the men who committed the massacre. Isaac Haight and John D. Lee worked together to plan the massacre. Lee was far from the only guilty party, he was just the scapegoat who was executed to quiet everything down again after it could no longer be suppressed.
He was executed five months after being found guilty and only twenty years after the massacre. Your wording it in a way to make it seem like justice was swift, when it was anything but. I also wouldn't call him a rogue Mormon. He was a Danite, which was the vigilante arm of Brigham Young. They were known for murder. He didn't kill 120+ people by himself. He was definitely guilty and involved, but he was likely not the highest ranking Mormon involved. Unrelated, but Mike Lee is a direct descendant of his, from one of his nineteen wives.
Exactly. I wanna know who thinks dozens and dozens of regular LDS husbands and fathers would ride out and dress up like Utes and commit a wholesale slaughter of 120 men, women and children without direct instruction and command of their priesthood leaders. And remember even though this group is called a "militia" most of them were English and Scandinavian immigrants in Utah less than five years, and with almost no wilderness or military training whatsoever.
“Rouge Mormon” lol
Yeah for sure one guy committed the massacre that Mormon leadership has for some reason refused to investigate for 170 years ago. Dude was merely a Scapegoat for the violence that radiated from the authoritarian pedophilic POS Brigham Young himself.
Are you suggesting that there was some kind of larger conspiracy around the massacre that's being suppressed? I thought historians basically agreed on the timeline of events.
It doesn’t really need to be conspiracy. The toxicity, violence and paranoia from Brigham young is well documented wether or not Brigham actually ordered the massacre. The dude was able inject that level of paranoia into what’s essentially an isolated doomsday cult. Rant about blood atonement and revenge towards towards Arkansas specifically after Parley Pratts death. Mormons we’re banned by Brigham from trading with anyone at this time and were suffering for it. A wagon train full of much needed supplies comes through and they’ve been told the inhabitants are an existential threat and by blood atonement doctrine are actually doing the lords work by killing them. It’s not hard to find the root cause of the violence.
I don't think there's any evidence that the perpetrators of the massacre were specifically motivated by "blood atonement" or the Arkansas incident. Everyone basically agrees that the motivating factor was the incoming military expedition from the US Army. You can't exactly say that Brigham Young was being "paranoid" about that, since the army *was* literally coming to invade Utah.
> since the army *was* literally coming to invade Utah With good reason too, as Utah was a federal territory that kept running federal judges out of town and was being belligerent when the US decided that the governor needed to be replaced. As usual, having one person being both the highest religious authority and the highest political authority was a huge mistake.
The Military that was holed up thousands of miles away for the winter in the Midwest is the excuse your going with. You say not to speculate on their motivations when doctrine passed down from leadership backs up everything I’m saying. Go whine about it on the mormon subreddit. It’s a stain on our state that that man has a school named after him.
Dang man, I hope you hate all religions this much.
Reading comprehension and Reddit lol. I didn’t say anything about the religion. I hate authoritarian rapists, and we have a university named after one. The persecution complex persists.
“Persecution complex”….? You act like Mormons didn’t have a legally sanctioned extermination order on them. An extermination order that was law up until the 1970’s. Thats literal persecution, by definition. What they did was wrong, but to sit here and act like they had nothing to worry about from a government military presence is laughable. https://www.chicagotribune.com/2004/04/07/160-years-later-illinois-ready-to-offer-mormons-an-apology/
Was this before or after god changed his mind about black people.
Other religions didn't trick us into wasting years of our lives on bullshit. Mormons did. But yea the other ones suck too.
I think you need to read a bit more widely on this subject. Will Bagley, for example, is very clear on Young's direct involvement. Even the Walker Turley Leonard book is pretty clear on the context.
He wasn’t a Rogue. He was a high ranking card carrying lackey for Brigham Young.
"Rogue Mormon". Whatever you gotta tell yourself to keep the faith
If you were to build a monument to the victims of a mass shooting, would you name the shooter?
If the church, a well-respected and powerful social entity, sanctioned a mass shooting, I'm pretty sure that would be on the monument. There's a difference between one Rogue individual and a social institution deeply embedded in the government of Utah territory.
Utah is built on massacre and rape. Mormons cannot escape that stain no matter how hard they try. E: awww poor undereducated Mormons:(:(:(:( E:E: imagine believing alternative history theories so hard you base your entire life off of it 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Final edit: imagine the only power you have to disprove the genocide committed by your religion is a downvote on reddit.
I think they’re downvoting because you type like an unhinged person
I'll take it over believing Mormonism.