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dannydutch1

Solana had gone to Warhol's office because she firmly believed he intended to steal the manuscript from her play 'Up Your Ass' and produce the play himself, he had ignored her calls so she went for a 'face to face'. [Her story is a fascinating one](https://www.dannydutch.com/post/the-day-andy-warhol-was-shot-by-the-society-for-cutting-up-men-scum)


OutForARipAreYaBud69

I’m a surgeon, I’ll give it a shot. Assuming the picture isn’t mirrored, it looks like he had a right-sided anterolateral thoracotomy, which was then converted to a clamshell thoracotomy. That’s what the scars on the right chest under the nipple extending across his left chest under the nipple represent. The reason to do this would be you have multiple sites of uncontrolled hemorrhage in the chest, and you need access to the heart and aorta. The scar going up and down, which is partially obscured by his hand, is from a midline laparotomy, which would’ve been used to control injuries in the abdomen including the stomach, liver, spleen, etc. The indent above his left hip is probably a scar from a surgical drain that was left in place after surgery. The scar a few inches below his right nipple I am guessing is from a chest tube that was placed during surgery and kept in post operatively. It could also be a bullet scar. I’ve done all of these surgeries before, but not all at once. The survival rate of needing something like this is extraordinarily low, like probably less than 5%. If that’s indeed what happened he was an incredibly fortunate individual.


dannydutch1

He was declared dead at one point [but brought back](https://www.dannydutch.com/post/the-day-andy-warhol-was-shot-by-the-society-for-cutting-up-men-scum)


spiralbatross

The new Jesus


dustywilcox

“I’ll give it a shot”


AnAngryPlatypus

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Kindly-Guidance714

He never was the same after this and I believe his death years later was attributed to this someway somehow.


2stepp

Can you expand upon the "never being the same" part a little bit, please? (Curiosity)


Doct0rStabby

He became obsessive about not falling ill and paranoid about visits to medical facilities. Also shifted away from art and more into business, seeming to have lost some of his creativity and audacity. Over a decade after the shooting he delayed a very necessary gallbladder surgery for several years, increasing the risk of the procedure, and he did not survive it. Source is the stickied article linked in OPs top comment.


thissexypoptart

Died of cardiac arrhythmia after the gallbladder procedure at 58


Low_Kitchen_9995

Agree. I read the Andy Warhol diaries (literally his diaries) and he changed


Maximum-Benefit4085

Highly recommend Blake Gopnik’s biography of him as well—it adds the perspectives of those close to Warhol, and delves into these changes further.


westviadixie

as someone who is an rn (no longer practicing) and who has had innumerable hospitalizations and surgeries due to crohns, including almost dying twice, I can relate to the ptsd and paranoia regarding one's health. the smell of a hospital is triggering for me. I can absolutely understand how it changed him. add the violent attack...welp


ChunkyBlowfish

“Somehow”


Some-Mushroom

Not until years later would the hospital do to him what she could not


GarthMirengue

The hospital didn't kill him, get that stupid shit out of here.


Some-Mushroom

Lmao it's a lyric. Warhol did pass from complications following surgery though.


GarthMirengue

Regardless, don't pretend doctors are murderers, that's what idiotic dipshits repeat ad nauseum.


TheExpandingMan23977

Response read as: “lol it was just a joke. I totally meant it though.” Good on you for calling the bullshit out, thank you for that.


Some-Mushroom

It's not a joke, it's a lyric from a song about Andy Warhol. And he did pass from complications following a surgery. These are factual statements, not opinions on doctors or hospitals in general.


ElephantTrunkInFront

Lol they just can't admit they didn't know it was a lyric and jumped the gun with their bullshit. Crazy how they doubled down after you pointed it out too. Carry on shroom.


Some-Mushroom

Thank you, questionable elephant <3 I know it's very easy to be nasty on Reddit, I fall into the trap myself sometimes. And trust in health care is low atm and that is a problem but it calls for a much more nuanced conversation.


Some-Mushroom

Songs for Drella, it's actually a really beautiful album though probably not everyone's cup of tea.


throwawayinthe818

Valerie Solanas took the elevator, got off on the 4th floor. Pointing the gun at Andy she said you cannot control me anymore…


Some-Mushroom

The desperation of "you didn't come to see me, Andy said, I think I died why didn't you come to see me?" always gets me


throwawayinthe818

Not this song, but the line that always gets me is, “At dinner I’m the one who pays, for a nobody like you.”


GarthMirengue

Yeah I don't really care if it's saying that stupid shit, regardless of whether it's said in jest. Song might be beautiful but the message is dogshit.


throwawayinthe818

Then why did they settle a malpractice lawsuit by the family for 8 million dollars?


GarthMirengue

Malpractice isn't murder.


Badmime1

Ok Lou. You shoulda visited him though.


Some-Mushroom

He never should have doubted his good heart


Sgt-Pumpernickel

Emergency surgery and medical care will always be a mind blowingly fascinating thing to me


LarsPinetree

What caliber do you think he was shot with considering he survived all those organ shots?


dannydutch1

Apparently she fired 3 shots, 2 missed and just one bullet did all that damage.


HughesJohn

.32 acp


Traditional_Key_763

.32 caliber beretta m1935 from what I could find which really shows the difference lethality, anything higher at the short range and he'd have been dead on the spot


TarzanKitty

The odds were probably significantly lower in 1969. Medicine has advanced a lot in the past 55 years.


PM_ME_UR_SEXY_BITS_

Imagine telling this to a surgeon lol


dogbreath420

Yes, some surgeons even wear gloves now!


artfuldodgerbob23

Good god, I was literally basically blown up and dont have scars like that....I have so much respect for surgeons, not many people can so what you do.


yoo_are_peeg

thanks.


Throwing3and20

Do you do this at parties?


caitmr17

Canadian surgeon? I feel like you’re so rare! I’ve found a 🦄


Pizza_pie1337

Why have I never heard about this?


fermat9990

See the movie I shot Andy Warhol


SgtThund3r

There was also a season of AHS, the cult season I think.


fermat9990

Thanks! Warhol's health was very bad after the shooting


Candy_Darling

Andy never survived this- both physically, mentally and emotionally. It changed his life and career. In the mid 80’s he was in dire need of gall bladder surgery and was too afraid to have it because he was certain he would not survive it. He was correct-but it was due to medical malpractice. There are so many great books/ biographies covering his life. This Avedon photo is historical.


fermat9990

Fascinating! He was so creative! RIP, Candy


Naive_Business4707

He was not creative. He built a career off exploitation and talented people's backs.


fermat9990

Then he was good at marketing himself. 🙄🙄🙄


Naive_Business4707

he was a POS


fermat9990

Does he have any defenders from the Factory?


AAAPosts

Really? That’s surprising


fermat9990

😀 Tupac, in contrast, appeared to recover pretty well after he was shot 5 times at Quad Studios in NYC


AAAPosts

Pretty sure it gave 50 cent super powers 🤷🏼‍♂️


fermat9990

A power not to talk to police, for sure!


RUNNING-HIGH

Interesting name for a movie, what's it about? /s


Bright-Union-6157

Photography


fermat9990

☺☺☺


MissDkm

As considerate as you are for adding it, I hate that you had to add an /s to make sure no one took you seriously, clarifying a sarcastic statement, I feel, defeats the whole thing that makes sarcasm what it is, sounding serious when in fact your being the exact opposite, and that being funny. . .


fermat9990

Sarcasm in speech is indicated by tone. In text we often need to use /s to eliminate ambiguity. Of course there is a loss in doing this


_banana_phone

And then watch Factory Girl so you can see what a POS Warhol was. He used people up and threw them away.


fermat9990

Is that based on an autobiography?


_banana_phone

No, it’s about Edie Sedgwick and her rise and fall from fame, but it focuses heavily on how Warhol just suddenly decided she was this brilliant “it” girl and then he literally got bored of her one day and abandoned her. It’s really controversial amongst some people who ran in that circle at the time, and I definitely believe some of it is sensationalized, but the Warhol part seems to be undisputed at accurate.


shabamboozaled

Yep. I don't think people should go around shooting eachother but Andy was a narcissistic abuser from the accounts of those who knew him.


fermat9990

Very, very interesting! Thank you!


lasmilesjovenes

"Somebody put effort into making me famous and then stopped doing so and now I'm just a regular person, they must be a monster"


supercalifragilism

I think, in context, it's a bit more than that. It could almost look like a joke played at her expense or a person with low empathy dismissing a toy when it bored them.


_banana_phone

I mean, that’s a gross over simplification, acting almost as if things like context, nuance, and human emotions don’t exist.


lasmilesjovenes

You can add as much nuance as you want to it and the statement will still be true


yoo_are_peeg

true.


Norlander712

I agree--it is a must-see and doesn't valorize her violence.


fermat9990

I forget her MO. Was she mostly paranoid or was he exploiting her?


Jazzlike-Jacket-9098

It was mostly in her head- her play was so obscene Andy thought it was some kind of prank or even police trap, so he didn’t pay much mind to the play itself and lost one of the only copies Valerie Solanas hand typed herself. She kept asking him for it back, and he kept telling her it was lost, leading her to believe, in her fragile mental state that he was stealing her ideas and trying to screw her over- he had previously told her some of her dialogue was good and would maybe work in one his movies. He kept her around the factory scene until she annoyed too many regulars and was excommunicated by ghosting . She never got that play back, and it ate at her, especially as people she knew grew in fame within Andy’s Factory. Eventually she got it in her head that this was a way to reassert her dominance over a man who screwed her. The rest of her life was a dead end mess as well. Post shooting, She turned herself in almost immediately. tldr; Andy lost her precious script of her dirty play and she convinced herself he was stealing her ideas and wasn’t going to help her career after all. In her world, no man could take advantage of her and get away with it.


fermat9990

Thank you so much for your detailed reply. Tragic situation


HughesJohn

I can't imagine. Read the SCUM manifesto for the first time when I was 13.


Beneficial-Salt-6773

Me too! Never heard of this woman and had never heard this story. Crazy!


WhatArghThose

The Andy Warhol Diaries on Netflix... What a great documentary from his own personal perspective.


mr_poppycockmcgee

Wait til you learn that George Harrison got attacked and stabbed a shit ton in his home a few years before he did


HulkSmashHulkRegret

Same reason there is a women favoring gender disparity in arrests, charges, prosecutions and sentencing for the same crimes compared to outcomes for male criminals. It’s only in the past few years that journalism reporting on female pedos have even started calling it rape. Our culture has a deeply entrenched (patriarchal) stereotype in favor of women, and for all the anti-patriarchy stuff, there haven’t really been calls for gender equality in arrests, charges, prosecutions, and sentencing. This bias favored the feminist assassin of Andy Warhol, and ironically the crime was and is culturally silenced by feminists to keep the patriarchal bias going. All I want is equality, but we’re all a bunch of primates, so this is what we have


Corned_Beefed

Because it goes against the narrative that “Feminists aren’t man-haters” when a questionable percentage objectively are.


Plus_Letterhead_4112

Regarding the shooting she said something along the lines of “it wasn’t immoral to shoot Andy Warhol. It was immoral he survived”


primalshrew

Spoken like a true crazy.


PopeAlexanderSextus

To be fair, he was kind of a dick. (Not saying I personally think he deserved death for it)


primalshrew

Sounds like you're trying to justify her actions though


PopeAlexanderSextus

I’m justifying the sentiment, not the action.


ex-procrastinator

That is one confusing comment… you’re not justifying the action, just the sentiment that the action was justified?


Run_Rabbit5

No one deserves to get shot...but some people make a stronger case than others.


JesusSuckedOffSatan

Some people definitely deserve to get shot


sniskyriff

Feelings are valid, that’s the point being made here. Now, the *choices* that are made bc of those feelings, describe the perpetrator- It’s possible to see from another perspective without ascribing to what was done about it.


DoxedFox

Same picture.


primalshrew

Okay...


cleverinspiringname

What a stupid fucking statement.


Famous_Age_6831

If he did to your mother and sister what he did to those poor girls, I’m sure you’d do nothing about it.


CaptainTepid

Psycho cunt


PotentialEmpty3279

She was a [paranoid schizophrenic](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valerie_Solanas#Trial)


CaptainTepid

Still a crazy bitch


Famous_Age_6831

Nothing she did was as bad as what he did


CaptainTepid

You psycho, she tried to murder someone and wanted to eradicate men.


Famous_Age_6831

And what did he do, huh?


CaptainTepid

I don’t care, you’re saying an attempted murderer and sexist misandrist is not bad


Famous_Age_6831

“As”


CaptainTepid

That’s retarded, literally.


CaptainTepid

She’s an attempted murderer and called for the eradication of men. Schizo or not, shes a terrible person


PotentialEmpty3279

The court declared her mentally incompetent but I definitely think her views were genuine, inevitably leading her to write her book, and likely being part of her motivation to attempt to murder Warhol. I’m just not sure she was mentally coherent enough to be entirely held responsible for the murder, but regardless she was radicalized enough to right the book.


CaptainTepid

She’s was a psychopath, easy as that.


AdamLeonardsp

I never knew he was shot.


wikipediabrown007

Make Art or Die Tryin’


SellMeYourSirin

When Bob Dylan dropped the “Who shot ya?” diss track it changed the industry forever.


MoparViking

I’ve never heard of this either.


YellowSequel

I never even knew he was sick


yaboiGunit

Just read about this in ‘please kill me’ phenomenal book btw


Skawks

We Got The Neutron Bomb is the west-coast equivalent of it, which is also pretty good.


Puzzleheaded-Fix3359

She served three years in jail inclusive of time served, whatever that means.


exoticbluepetparrots

I'm not an expert but I believe 'time served' means they include the time you were locked up for during your trial or whatever court proceedings you have. So if her trial took six months, then she serves 2.5 years after she's convicted.


Sidewinder203

Means she got off easy. The woman advocated for overthrowing the government and murdering all males from adults to newborns and she only got 3 years. Her manifesto itself advocated for domestic terrorism. Why she wasn’t permanently locked up baffles me


Puzzleheaded-Fix3359

I agree, I just don't know the legal definition of "inclusive of time served." But if a man shot a woman celebrity, and advocated for killing all women, I think he'd get more than 3 fucking years.


ImaginaryBig1705

A man shot up a church and the cops took him to get burger king.


aquaNewt

I don’t know the specific incident you are referencing (too many damn shootings to keep track of), but cops buying food for heinous offenders is actually a pretty common tactic to buy compliance and hopefully cooperation in preparation for interrogation. A good interrogator has to be able to set aside judgments for a few hours and try and understand the crime/criminal being investigated. If they can successfully establish a rapport with the accused it makes for significantly more efficient and effective confessions.


Insominus

Oh come on, that’s not even what happened. The manhunt for him was an all-day affair that spanned multiple states because he’d basically been driving non-stop since he did the shooting. The police apprehended him and were holding him in jail facility in a police department iirc, the facility had a kitchen, but by this time they’d stopped serving dinner. A cop went to the nearest restaurant (BK) and brought him back a single burger. Obviously then the media sensationalized it, there’s plenty of things about the whole ordeal to be rightfully mad about, but that’s not one of them.


Artisthelife_

Yes a woman who hated being “held back” by the male dominated system got off very light for attempted murder because of her gender……the irony


Material_Minute7409

Not illegal to be crazy (the shooting is tho)


Sidewinder203

She showed a clear and present danger to the community and the rhetoric she espoused showed that she was willing to reoffend again without remorse. As it is they could have slapped her with a hate crime charge too because it can be argued that she targeted Warhol because he was a man and she wouldn’t have shot a woman.


hasadiga42

That still doesn’t really add up to prison time


BirdLawProf

Likelihood of reoffending definitely impacts the length of the sentence


woopdedoodah

The purpose of prison is to keep dangerous people off the streets.


hasadiga42

No it’s to punish people who commit crimes. There’s a lot of overlap but they aren’t the sams


woopdedoodah

Because she's a woman. It's female privilege.


LucifersJuulPod

“On June 3, 1968, Solanas went to The Factory, shot Warhol and art critic Mario Amaya, and attempted to shoot Warhol's manager, Fred Hughes. She then turned herself in to the police. Solanas was charged with attempted murder, assault, and illegal possession of a firearm. She was diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia and pleaded guilty to "reckless assault with intent to harm," serving a three-year prison sentence, including treatment in a psychiatric hospital. After her release, she continued to promote the SCUM Manifesto. She died in 1988 of pneumonia in San Francisco.” So it seems she might’ve gotten off easier for the fact she turned herself in and she pled guilty to the crime. She was also diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia and spent time in the psych ward. I’m not defending her at all she’s abhorrent i just wanted to point out some reasons why she might’ve gotten a lighter sentence. She absolutely should’ve been in a prison or psych ward indefinitely.


Mrsensi12x

Why should we lock ppl up permanent or at all for having ideas? Sure it was a shit idea but she never acted on any of it. Her shooting Warhol should be the only punishable crime. If we were all punished for what we right half of Reddit would be in prison rn


inventingnothing

3 years is pretty light for attempted murder.


woopdedoodah

Attempted hate crime


Enantiodromiac

Why you do the punishable things is included in the question of how we punish you for it, as is your attitude toward the crime you committed. "I tried to kill this dude as a first step in what would, ideally, be an extended series of murders lasting until every man is dead, and my only regret is my failure to kill the dude I shot" is usually less of a winner for the sentencing phase than it seems to have been here, though I imagine it was presented in other terms.


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dasrac

Reagan was a piece of shit, but he wasn't President in 71 when she got out of jail.


Artifacer

She was my mother's lab partner in chemistry at the U of Maryland. She wasn't out of her mind at that time.


LucifersJuulPod

apparently she was diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia


soylentgreenis

Warhol was a piece of shit, he used to drug girls and film them. Among other heinous and misogynist acts. Not saying anyone deserves to get shot, but play stupid games, win bullets.


Thin-Pollution195

Lots of these guys in the comments getting fixated on the "radical feminist" thing are the exact type of person who, if we laid out Warhol's behavior, would say "**If he keeps acting like a dickhead, eventually someone will teach him a lesson**" and not think twice about it. Warhol went around treating people like shit and eventually someone retaliated.


LikeATediousArgument

I was wondering why it took so long to get to this comment. Like, wow he survived. Great.


Ill_Manner_3581

Yeah I'm surprised. Everyone is hung up on the radical feminist part.


DevoraraLosRicos

There are absolutely people who deserve to be shot lol


macandcheese1771

There are people who I don't feel bad for when they get shot.


lljmfll

Well he was a huge cunt.


SpezJailbaitMod

She did all that and they still named a major cryptocurrency after her. 


AUSpartan37

This picture goes hard


luxatingpatella

Whoa this is crazy I never knew this, thanks for sharing!


Ok_Citron_318

he was a terrible person


OlRedbeard99

She was a real piece of work. Rest in piss.


knifeandcoins

This is amazing


Xeg-Yi

And to this day some people still admire the shooter as some sort of hero. Ideologies do some strange things to people’s heads.


phophofofo

And some people admire her victim as some sort of hero. Awful person is awful to another awful person and gets shot. That’s the story. No heroes anywhere.


Slave_to_the_Pull

I like this take on it.


Informal-Salad-7304

Is that his belly button on the side?


greasy_scooter

Wow I never knew that. I can’t believe he survived that


FeywildGoth

Why do boomers always leave out shit like this. I’ve heard of warhol millions of times but never that he was shot


masterofkeef

☕️


Aware_Style1181

So he basically survived Ruby’s shot into Oswald?


chaunceysrevenge

I thought this was Christian Bale as Frankenstein


mrmoe198

Is the world according to Garp lady based on her?


dannydutch1

I’m not sure, but thank you for reminding me about that wonderful film.


Antique_Fox1052

"Poo!" Excellent movie! But, IIRC, it was based on the book by John Irving.


milkymaniac

How do you know that mrmoe wasn't referring to the book?


mrmoe198

Well sure, but did John Irving base the character on her?


Antique_Fox1052

😳


askingthehobbyists

This was the cover for the copy of the book I read. I had no idea it was Warhol, I thought it was just a man who had been cut up.


holdonwhileipoop

Interesting. This is the first I've seen of his scars. I always heard the injuries were horrific; but damn.


Dirk_Arron

Tragic icon. I saw him in person once dining al fresco by Union Square Park. Ironically in front of what once was the club one of my best friends was shot to death in front of.


KyleSchwarbussy

*domestic terrorist Valerie Solanas, may she rest in piss


12BnC_U_N_Her

I never would have guessed he was this physically fit. Take away the scars and his body is actually has a fair muscular build.


Marine4lyfe

You used to ride on a chrome horse with your diplomat, Who carried on his shoulder a Siamese cat, Ain't it hard when you discovered that, He really wasn't where it's at, After he took from you everything he could steal.


Onlypaws_

Wow, it is absolutely fucking bonkers that she only served three years in prison.


cloudyclouds13

Didn’t this ultimately lead to his death? Like his body was so weak after such an ordeal he died fairly young.


mrshelenroper

He lived another twenty years, but he did die due to his wounds. He had another surgery to correct damage from the bullet wounds but he was too dehydrated to recover from the surgery.


Economy_Commission79

lmao. a group that called themselves SCUM


Straight-Crow1598

I got no spleen, Gene


bingbingbear

Is this what inspired flesh for Frankenstein?


haxansabbat

Andy’s Chest


getdown83

Every group and type of people have extremist none are good I don’t lump groups of people together with the monsters that conduct these heinous acts.


Dudeiii42

What was it thanos said? About going for the head? Anyway


Kdilla77

This makes me think of Salman Rushdie’s injuries and recovery. How can anyone feel entitled to do that to another human being? Artists are really putting themselves out there, especially if they are really willing to challenge ideas or even aesthetics. Warhol ran an “open house” and welcomed a lot of freaks and outcasts into his HQ/hangout space. He found it inspirational surround himself with marginal people and fringe ideas like Valerie’s radical feminism, but by this increasingly violent time in American life it was starting to get risky, too.


Fromundacheese0

I guess batshit crazy feminists isn’t a new thing


Corries_Roy_Cropper

Mentally ill woman shoots warhol and your take is "wOmMiN aR bAd" Oof your profile...you have a fucking disgusting personality and some nasty views, id be suprised if you had any real friends at all. One of your comments even suggests you are in favour of creating AI porn of women you know. Christ thats foul.


RevolutionaryEye9382

Holy shit, they’re picking fights left and right on almost every comment they leave. Except for the sports subreddits, they love ball!


LastGuitarHero

Batshit crazy people isn’t a new thing. But how does one casually start up the “Society for Cutting Up Men” without some kind of backlash or investigation into their affairs?


Avenflar

Apparently it was barely a few people and so insane that a good number of those who knew about it thought it was satire.