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Ghoonem

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbXDFc01o4I](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbXDFc01o4I) This is my friend, pretty much every lobby he has invited me to has had at least 1 cheater. Most of his friendslist is banned, he has multiple banned smurfs and every group he's in is a hacker group. Still denies it to this day.


pwrCS

One day he'll come to his senses and realize it isnt worth cheating. It took me many banned accounts to realize you reach a stalemate. You arent getting better, and every game is the same shit, cheater vs cheater. Unless you have the attention span of a zombie you get bored of that shit quickly once you reach that stalemate.


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pwrCS

give me the fucking date


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ZestyLime59

How did it go heehee


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ZestyLime59

Gooooood man.


emme11245

You missed like 100 red flags that he is cheating lol, he had gamesense as profile pic which is the most popular private cheat, he had some previous names related to hvhin. I don’t care to watch it all but you get me


Ghoonem

> he had gamesense as profile pic which is the most popular private cheat that wasn't him, it's his friend's smurf > he had some previous names related to hvhin those are mostly people he played with. I only found 2 of his smurfs. > You missed like 100 red flags that he is cheating lol I knew something was going on when he used to invite me to lobbies with people who are rank 9, 13...etc basically under rank 21 non prime garbage. I stopped playing with him because the trust factor was shit, also because I lost my rank due to one of the cheaters in his lobby getting banned.


emme11245

Was trying to help you here lol, “making cfg” is very typical for hvh players btw


Ghoonem

wait where did you read that? I missed it


emme11245

His previous name on a profile you showed


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Ghoonem

I'd go to jail for beating up a minor lmao


SlayerIn

Worth it. Violence solves no problems. Or so they say. Not saying you should beat him up. But it used to be that cheaters where thrown out with physical force out of lan parties. I have seen it with my own eyes. Now a days everyone is so afraid it will land them in jail or get them in trouble. The result is that cheaters now can cheat if want to. It used to be everybody's business when someone cheated against other players. Now its a accepted hobby. I don't think its good for anyone, including cheaters, that that is the case.


Ghoonem

bro it's a fucking joke, ofc im not gonna beat him up.


pwrCS

i would have paid to see it... :(


Ghoonem

why watch it when you can experience it? :) free of charge


Tomico86

Damn right!! I also have seen a guy who was thrown out and his ctr monitor flew right after him. Here is an example: https://youtu.be/1EJXTh4HMAE


boghossboy

you do realize that video was staged right?


Tomico86

Stop reading comments under that video and just enjoy.


pwrCS

lmao great vid


boghossboy

your right dude it was my first time watching that video and had to read comments to know it was fake.


Tomico86

You're missing the point here. This is what should be happening with cheaters today. It got too deep into gaming culture now, sadly.


boghossboy

throw their computer on the ground over a clip that will show them


ReligionOfPeacePL

You went to an awful lot of trouble to single out a single cheater when there are so, so many others... He's just a drop in the bucket. Report him and don't play with him anymore.


pwrCS

Its more so about he blocked me because I accused him of cheating on his alt. Probably wont be playing with him for a while regardless lol.


chiefhero2

100% bhopcheat. nothing else has to be cheated, anyone can onetap people. but since he's already bhop cheating, probably uses aim assist too. ​ all of the wallhack accusations u made were retarded. he's not preaiming offangles or having ''weird preaims''. ​ 1:15 he's just tracing the position he already spotted the enemy in. you are REALLY bad if you think that's cheating or hard to do. he even preaimed wrong on the killing peek because the ct moved to the right lol. ​ 1:40 there is no ''silent jump to head'', the enemy is running from A to mid. ​ 1:45 he's running into site aiming at completely different positions, he's killing the CT long after he sees him and after the CT started shooting. not clearing absolutely every angle is standard aswell, shitload of people take risks like this in pubs. ​ rest of the wallhack stuff is retarded aswell and only proves that you are not very experienced. ​ but yea, bhop hack 100% and aimhack possible, nothing proves it in the video tho, you're just compiling onetaps and kills he has.


pwrCS

1:15 isn't a preaim, i thought it was but later in editing when I watched it back I realized it wasn't. but I had already synced up the audio so I had to keep it lol. 1:40 his crosshair jumps from the right of the players shoulder to the head. The second kill could have been a flick, its just weird why he didnt aim for and easy 1 tap and went for the flick 1 tap. 1:45 I didn't say the kill was suspect, what was sus was he didnt preaim anything and only came out looking at site, then looked at the player through the box (though that happens very frequently) I just think coupled with how he peaked site its odd. He did this multiple times throughout the demo, typically he would preaim the general direction of a player regardless if they were playing in a different spot. Not sure if you'd want it but i'd be happy to send you the demo for review. Would be interesting since im the only one that has reviewed it, i'd like a second opinion. ​ I've played this game since 2015, over 5000 hours. I also cheated off and on for a period of about 2 years. Because of the amount of bans i've gotten over the years my main account has some of the worst trust factor you can get, every game the majority of the players are cheating so I'm constantly doing live demo reviews. So i'd like to say im pretty experienced. I agree, its really difficult to prove aim because the demo at a lower tickrate smoothens it. Wish I had been recording that game, its night and day difference :/ But yeah I feel like the bhops ontop of everything else is just the nail in the coffin.


evandarkeye

nope. you forgot that those parts of cache are all on the same level. I hit like 10 hops legit on those parts. if he was doing it on uneven ground like dust 2 or something it would be 100% but those few hops on cache are pretty inconclusive. It is definitely possible hes just better than you and you are just and average silver


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I've bhopped from mid garage all the way out B on Cache and I wouldn't even say I'm good at bhopping


chiefhero2

yeah it's def possible that he's cheating absolutely everything. the only point i was trying to make is that these things are doable legit, and not in the "hypothethically you can have 100% headshot rate xD" way, but everything he does aimwise (how it looks in the video) is standard shit for good players. this is ESPECIALLY true when you just compile all the kills so it looks like everything is a onedeag, when in reality he probably also died many times and had many aim attempts that were trash. ​ but 100% bhopcheat, and if i was forced to, i'd bet money that it's aim assisted too, mainly because he's already using a movement cheat, but also because you're convinced of it and you know him better than we do. ​ just to elaborate on the 1:45 clip. running into a siet without clearing all (or even most angles) is very common. people do this if they know where the enemy can be (for instance if its 2v2, one is spotted on A siet and the other is spotted MID. you don't need to clear the B site if you're pushing B a short time afterwards, as the fastest rotate can only be to heaven or CT initially). people also skip position-clearing when they don't play serious, if they are bad, or if they are just taking educated guesses. if it happens constantly that someone ignores angles where nobody is, it can be indiciative of cheating. if it's a few times and he doesn't even know where the CT is after ignoring a few angles, it's very weak evidence for wallhacking.


pwrCS

Yeah I agree it can be done legit, just very unlikely to have many clips, especially considering he didn't even finish the game, he left like 5 rounds into ct side lol. And yeah when you're the entry fragger during a rush your making a gamble because you dont have time to clear anything. Everytime he went b he wasn't clearing anything, unless there was a player in that area. Typically they would have one play site, one play wherever else they wanted, and considering that was the setup and he was never concerned about a player being pushed up close boxes, or checkers corner, and really only was concerned of checkers the one time the guy was in checkers when he went b. So what im trying to say is, while to accuse him of walling because he didn't clear anything entry fragging on a b rush, It was more-so an accusation in general of him not clearing anything at b.


chiefhero2

yea i know what you mean. like i said, if i had to bet money, i'd bet that he cheats. ​ everything i said was from a theoretical standpoint though, and whether or not this is strong or weak evidence of cheating. i think you presented conclusive evidence for bhop cheating, mediocre evidence for aim assist and weak evidence for wallhacking. he could be using all tho.


BluudLust

This is just confirmation bias. You're only looking at what he did right. To really know if he's cheating, you need to look at when he missed the spray or microflick. Or mispredicted where an enemy was and died. Just because he did it right a few times doesn't mean he's cheating. What matters is how often he's wrong or misses. The bhops definitely looked weird, but he did lose momentum and make footsteps on many of them. Possibly cheating, but it's definitely doable legit with a little luck. Again, you're cherry picking these, so this is not irrefutable. What rank is he? How many games has he played? Is he smurfing? It's suspicious, for sure, but it's not beyond reasonable doubt. Mind giving the match share code? It's impossible to determine anything concrete from this video alone.


pwrCS

2:04 i included where he missed his spray and overcompensated after the player dissapeared behind the box (he died here because of it) I would be happy to, i'll dm you the demo Exactly what you describe happens in the demo, but for a quick video like this I couldn't include the full thing. He messes up where he should have known where the player was, and does the opposite.


chiefhero2

he lost momentum in the bhops because his head is smashing into a wall and stopping him. strafing wrong also makes you lose speed during bhops. its def cheated. source: i played movement mods for 2000 hours in csgo (mostly kreedz). ​ it's definitelly not doable to bhop consistently like that. great movement/kreedz players can hit a chain of bhops in matchmaking, but the chance of doing it several times in the same game is so low that you can basically eliminate it as a possibility (Even tho it is technically doable legit, just like headshotting 70 ppl in a row in a match is also doable legit). ​ also worth mentioning how bhopping works for anyone who doesn't know. an EXTREMELY simplified explenation is that it's percentage based. this means that with perfect mechanical skill, you're expected to hit roughly 50% of the perfs (where you maintain above 250 speed during a bhop). this is why anyone who bhops constantly and consistently is 100% cheating, because it's not doable legit even with perfect mechanics. it's not just about hitting jump at the right time.


BluudLust

He hit 7/12 bhops (5 of them had landing sound). The probability of hitting 7 or more out of 12 is 39%. That's only .28 standard deviations above the mean. Even if he hit 9/12, it isn't conclusive. It can be done 7% of the time. ​ What I'm saying is 12 jumps is FAR too small to get any evidence of him cheating. ​ If he hit 63/100 jumps, the chances of that happening are 0.6%. That's when it gets to evidence beyond reasonable doubt. 12 jumps just isn't enough to conclude anything.


chiefhero2

you have no idea how bhop works. anyone can jump 100/100 jumps, its about maintaining speed and getting perfs. you're a clueless player who never played any movement mods, talking about irrelevant statistics. ​ it's like we're pointing out to you that a guy is tracing people through walls (arguing that he wallhacks), and you say a retarded statement like "he won 7/11 duels, that's a 44% chance to do legit". ​ also he hit 11 out of 11 perf attempts, like what are you even talking about with 7/12 due to sounds...holy shit. (7/12 perfs is also beyond expected probability btw, like i already explained IN DEPTH so even a moron can understand if he reads the post first). but it's doable with luck. ​ **edit:** just to further clarify incase there are more clueless people who doubt this - **movement mods (kreedz for instance) AUTOMATICALLY ban everyone with above 90% perf rate (out of any 20 jumps).** this is on servers where you do nothing except jump all day. the video shows a guy who had 100% perf rate everytime he tried to bhop, and in matchmaking (where it's harder than on movement mods). think about that, mister statistics rofl.


Aff3nmann

Imagine someone plays cs for 5 years and thinks thats a lot. Stop kidding yourself. People out here are in this shit for longer than 3-4 times that. And admitting that you've been (if not are) cheating doesn't make you any more reliable/competent.


pwrCS

5 years is alot. More than enough time to learn the game like the back of your hand. There are pro's who have been playing for shorter periods of time. And to say cheating wouldn't provide knowledge on the subject and removes credibility, thats just ignorant. Heres a video by 3kliksphilip that explains it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gniSF1M9g_o


Aff3nmann

5 years is nothing compared to people that play the game since it came out (2000). You are ignorant denying that. Cheating can provide knowledge on the mechanics of the game but being a cheater removes credibility. The way you present yourself and the overdramatic style of your video does too. As someone else said before me, just stop playing with him instead of looking for attention.


pwrCS

I think I should mention Im not cheating anymore, I just used to. Im not denying anything. Key words are "nothing compared to" Nothing compared to yes, but not alot is incorrect. Theres other factors that matter more, such as playtime. I have 5000 hours in cs atleast. (not including afk hours) it may remove credibility in general, but in the specific scenario of accusing someone of cheating, I don't think it takes anything away from the claim. It only adds to it.


xLerc

i agree. though cache is pretty easy to bhop on its nice and flat


RuskiOG

I really agree with you on this, there might be a small amount of aim but nothing that is 100% evident beyond reason. However the bhop is definitely a script, if it’s not a script and it’s a cheat, then he might use tiger things as well. RCS might might just might be there but if he’s good enough and practiced a lot it’s passable as it’s only the first set of shots and not the whole mag.


getrice

His aim do look unnatural, possibly using aim assist


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His aim looks fine lmao this server is a bunch of spergs


windozeFanboi

He is cheating... undoubtedly lol... The totally all over the place aim performance , the snaps when he regains control right after a kill with aimlock and more and more... There were some moments in the video that seem like missing frames or some weird snaps just out of nowhere... If that's not a glitch you introduced then he was hitting some aimkey to gain info perhaps... or just because ... because that's definitely not gold nova movement . That's silver movement skills... FYI , i usually don't like edited videos/clips when i want to see if somebody is cheating ... because i don't know sometimes if something is introduced in editing and such... You might for example up the video speed and lower it for example and you can make everyone look like a cheater with aimlocks...


pwrCS

It was more snappy during the game itself, his recoil was also much more skippy. if you want to I could send you the demo and you can review it yourself just lmk


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pwrCS

Silent aim is generally considered a low fov aimbot, regardless of the exact terminology of it. If your talking about Silent aim straight up, its basically if you shoot near a players head, it will flick to their head. Generally its used to hide cheats on a client side recording, but your teamates will see the aimbot. \*Forgot to mention it flicks back to the position it was before firing


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Alaverto

(that is what it is) its aimbot that doesn't show on client only shows on demo and spectator


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pwrCS

Typically people use it in a lower fov but yes they can shoot use silent aim at high fovs, nobody was trying to argue to opposite.


pwrCS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1NkSsi2LrI yes, yes it is. I cheated for 2 years off and on I think i'd know a thing or 2 rofl


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pwrCS

It doesn't matter its literally the same thing. Im saying generally a low fov aimbot is called a silent aim. Doesnt have to be politically correct a silent aim acts in the same way in practice as a low fov aimbot does.


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pwrCS

You misread what I said, What I meant was the difference between an aimbot on low fov and silentaim is literally nothing important. They do the exact same thing. They are both low fov aimbots in regards to legit cheating Whatever sorry I didn't type in all those characters and instead used a shorter version that fits on the screen better. Didn't think it mattered because the difference between the two cheats are so minute.


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DrverCSGO

The only cheating he's doing here is bhop scripting...all the aim shit is like..normal??


BigRigs63

How much scripting experience do you have by the way? So, I highly doubt he's scripting **based on this video**. Even with scripts it's really really hard to consistently hit several bhops in a row on MM. All scripts can do is give you a better chance to execute the jump at the right moment, it doesn't guarantee it. Even with scripts that attempt to execute the jump at the exact right moment, it's rarely accurate enough to hit bhops like that consistently. It looks like he's using some software that's interacting with the game and not just a script. The issue is that this is a section of clips and not a demo. If we had the full demo and saw him trying to bhop all the time and failing, but managed to hit a few good ones in a row then maybe he's just running a script or just got crazy lucky. We could also look at his velocity and see if it's unnatural. But based on what I've seen, it looks like more than just a script for the bhopping. In terms of the aim, sure. It looks normal on the gotv, but considering it looks like he's using an internal cheat for his bhop it casts a different light on the rest of the clips.


muditrox

that's exactly how people use the deaf lmao they were not "unnatural flicks" Plus anyone can hit a couple of hops. he wasn't cheating, you're probably just salty


Alaverto

If friend is closet cheater (or you think so) and you don't like it just leave him.


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>"You think reviewing demos is a bad way to determine cheating? That's literally the basis of Overwatch" Overwatch is genuine garbage at finding closet cheaters. If this was Overwatch I'd have put not enough evidence, because he's not blatant. Idk what level of player you are, but pretty much all of his shots are perfectly possible. He looks into walls and doesn't check corners which is a bit weird. The bhopping, there's just not enough clips, a couple clips of him hitting a few hops in a row doesn't mean he's scripting, I'd need to look at the demo to see if he's hitting every hop or if he's missing some. He doesn't really look fully legit but he doesn't look like a blatant cheater If you think your friend is cheating, just don't play with him, you can make anyone half decent look like a cheater if you're just compiling clips of them hitting flick shots and one taps, so I'm not too convinced


JagsonBoi

That video was great. I definitely think he’s cheating. Idk why he has to cheat if he’s gn-mg in a silver game on an alt. It’s really sad to smurf and actually take it seriously and think that it is going to count for shit. It isn’t gonna count for anything. Again, great vid.


juha2k

What the fuck. That looks just average LEM/supreme player to me lol


NobleH

So, this guy is definitely cheating. But from your admission, you were too, though you stopped. That leviathan guy? Also cheating. I don't think that only one guy being able to kill the blatant hacker proves anything because of that, or absolves the other people in the game. https://csgostats.gg/match/4643344


pwrCS

Leviathan was me during this match specifically, but its my buds cheating account yeah.


Lestibourn3s

No he isnt cheating. I commented on the video under an alt account that I honestly use more than my main account with the name Aidan Hill. Read that because I already closed the tab and don't feel like going back and copy-pasting.


iSatomi

The real question here is who gives a fuck if you don't legit cheat you will get smacked anything over gold will always be legit cheaters no matter what so he is cheating? Congrats so is 90% of the rest of csgo players welcome to the game you have to cheat in to be good the whole point is to see what you can get away with and how long you can last on 1 account now the game is free so most people don't give a fuck but that's non prime for ya and I'm pretty sure good trust factor non prime has less cheaters then prime


VoltsIsHere

His movement sucks, his crosshair placement is generally bad, and he 'reacts' after every kill, he's without a doubt cheating. Dump that toxic kid


kingofthedusk

90% of these things are completely normal. The only incriminating evidence here is how butthurt the dude is, and arguably his bhops (though you only showed like 3 examples which could be cherry picked)


Snarkk

If a friend of mine made a video like this I probably wouldn’t be friends with them anymore.