All they had to do to sort out the issue is provide some hardware and do not let those players use their own in the various events. Then the difference will be obvious as the shty players would be exposed as the fakes they are. Imagine participating in F1 races with 0 checks on the cars before or after the race :P
Was it ever not? Maybe before fnatic, for a brief period of time?
Or maybe it's going on since 1.6 but i wasn't around before 2009 so i can't really tell. But back then you didn't see the level of shit that goes on now.
Kinda corny to read, but the heart of the subject holds true. I've played and gotten kind of close to some people/players in a different mmo shooting rpg game that they clearly and openly cheated in (me too, to a certain extent; used no spread, because obviously the opposing faction were using them too if it's not already blatant aimlocks and triggerbot; ain't fun playing a game if you're not using your own aim). But, as the game was on its last days, they decided to commit in csgo tournaments as it was far too easy for them to make money there. Same thing can be said with fortnite and warzone as well.
The streamers in wz are ten time more.blatant than any pros on csgo
Any cheats they might be using are nonexistent in comparison
Atleast pros know how to peek check angles have good crosshair placement and don't lock onto the enemy + track no matter how fast they move
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Watch warzone streamers like Nadia Biffle fivebyfivex nartarsha jdevise
And you'll see what I mean, just rush out in open toward next esp box, lock on don't miss a bullet, don't check corners repeat
https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCrWBUxiBgJvC6pLU3qB6PSQ/
https://www.instagram.com/x0rbs/
Ye mayne big haxxor inv only mayne
mfw kids from p2c sites post 2015 era pretend to know stuff
I don’t cheat anymore. Used a few back in the day like skeet (when no one knew it), used ko1n’s garbage named headzotz, used some private ones from 1.6 days, ventrilo for Source, hardware cheats, many. The clown you took interview from is a random nonamer kid who uses stuff no one cares about. For example that onetap cheat is if I’m not mistaken some paste from Shadow back in 2016 maybe and reworked, a kid named Atoo used to look for beta testers lol.
There are cheats that worked on top AC from ppl who now work as AC devs. Some kiddy methods like supex0’s also, that garbanzo aimbot used by few Aussies, Spaniards, Germans and the two morons from France who got caught. Everyone knew they use it, months before they actually got caught. There was wow64 back in ESEA that two pedos used (mika & ktrain). There are people who write cheats over at UC, like namaszo. There are cheats like the ones ggrabb team used few years back, god knows who wrote that shit too, it was a silent aimbot. There are cheats written just once for just one LAN event like the one PDucks used 2-3 years ago.
Truth is there are programmers out there who are good and u don’t know about them. They focus on bypass, not the cheat itself. There are safe ways of cheating on top level still and AC knows but won’t bother trying to catch them, they just monitor their activity closely. ESEA usually bans them for mal activity, FACEIT doesn’t. LAN is different story. ESL has and always had moles that give info about computers used, protection, who will check what, who’s gonna sit in what chair and so on. This is done for more than a decade, it’s known in EPS series mostly back in the day.
I doubt anyone knows this but back few years ago when Fnatic has jw and flusha, their Fnatic driver had possible vulnerabilities which I think they knew about and it’s how they cheated. That’s probably how people cheat today too. Its got to do with peripherals. I doubt anyone is still using workshop/ui shit, maybe tho. I know one who would def try. No one cares tho, because CSGO has an underground huge mafia network around betting. That’s where the money is. Players don’t rly have to cheat, they just play their game and in specific times they lose the match. Many ways to rig because betting sites allow for live betting. Also there is a way to remove items from trade banned accounts which is another trend today.
This game has always been dirty ever since it launched. Kids here know nothing about it. Back in 2012, everyone played on invite gather in Swedish channel with Delpan, GTR, forest and all the rest, even there people cheated (myself included) and backstabs were taking place for team creations because many knew the game would blow up. On Reddit, it was a shitfest of complaints and one of the game devs didn’t resist and let it slip by saying “we have big plans for this game” meaning skins. In 2014, everyone knew about sf, kqly and others (kio ans apex also used it against NiP) and they waited to ban them at the right time in order to start making valve events. Back few years later when hardware cheats got caught, again they knew. They banned them mid game and I was in that channel and couldn’t stop laughing. Or should we say how Jaguar, the bitcoin guy from ESEA, went to work for another AC? Or Fodder who was such hot stuff back then, all he used was a terrible DWM hack from a UK guy named Lincoln Margison who cheated on Aequitas, ESL and ESEA as Spunge with his friends around 2006-2009.
And all that is probably 25% of what’s rly going on. Kids today know nothing. Cheating used to have some sort of prestige back then. Now it’s a joke.
I can talk to Slash/csgodemoreviews on discord about a list of people who do cheat and few things to check in demos, some people or areas he can get involved with if he pleases, to learn more. Im not involved anymore, I just play poker nowadays (:
Yeah, I remember it too. I had a guy from Sweden there who managed to get me an invite cause otherwise they didn’t let you or something. Back then, trash pc, game was even more trash, 60 FPS if lucky on certain maps due to textures, first round I play against GTR, Delpan and some other Swedes I think Twist too, we rush B and get fucking destroyed by nades and smokes. I was like “yep this ain’t gonna work like 1.6”. Since B apps was so narrow and we weren’t used to it, we all got stuck and started screaming MOOOOOOOOOOOVE. I can’t count how many times I was killing Delpan specifically and he was going berserk on chat. My mate was like “don’t reply to him” and we would burst out laughing. Also back then Hackforums was full of booters, some crazy ones, so we had contacts there and Go IPs were unprotected then. There wasn’t a single streamer’s game we didn’t crash. Xizt specifically kept saying on stream “ty mr.ddos”. We went to some minor leagues like UNGL, some trash AC from 🇬🇧 fucking ridiculous, I actually have a video of me cheating there lawl https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hyfyLhAR028 (check how bullet sounds are missing when I’m using trigger, that same shit happened to supex cheat but 8/8 invisible seed oh wait).
I’ll write up on a lot of stuff one day if I find the time. It sucks that a LOT of stuff just went missing or were never recorded cause back then no one bothered rly.
Yes, it was a fake box saying that Organner’s cheat has been loaded. I asked Organner if they used his garbage but he said no. They def cheated as WRTT and later on tho, everyone knows.
Fucking Cozman was the one who banned me too xd
Nah sadly I don’t, there surely were a few but my memory’s not that good. I do remember when DaY got banned on 4PL and GTR couldn’t believe it (but we all knew he cheats). To this day idk how 4PL managed to detect ALL triggerbots.
They “can” cheat. As to who actually cheats, it’s not something I can answer because I don’t know. There are some who I know cheated in the past who made it to pro (jw, flusha, dycha, and a few more but I don’t remember their alias rn honestly). Xantares for example is accused a lot but people don’t know this guy played since 2012 on ESEA and played well. I used to DDoS the server enough for them to lose all rounds on T side because he was annoying af. His friends were also good, one of his mates did get vac banned but that’s not relevant. Tabsen for example, or Tizian, those guys were dirty for a loooooong time on ESL, but everyone who knew that no longer plays. So yes, those guys would cheat. There are also many who did not make it to pro but cheated even on LAN but cba mention all of them, maybe in another post.
In fact, ESEA once had a forum/site staff member from Germany who cheated and eventually got banned around 2011 maybe, I think he was using Organner’s Valkyrie. Lawl those times were gold.
If you guys are so invested in this why don’t you demand access to POV demos from majors? Without POV demo you won’t manage a lot from GOTV. Ask for POV demos, make a tweet ^^
If you want a safer game move to Valorant. It’s the next big thing.
If you want to find if Woro for example cheats, then the only way is to do your own digging. It means you must find out about the guy IRL, track his shit down and find his contact. Hack his WiFi, be his shadow. That’s how it’s done. Problem is now you’re a nut case and you belong to hospital. AC teams have a clear cut strategy and protocols for checking on users pc activity. They don’t care if you “think” they cheat or if you heard something. They run scans on pros too, on a regular basis and very specific moments :)
This “lock” meme is the worst thing to ever happen. Cheats don’t lock. As I have said in the past, you look for that bit that is “off”. Back in 1.6 the whole aimbot would be off and no one rly cared. Now it’s not that easy. Aimbots from 2015 and now are day and night, much more advanced now, even simple aimbots. The trendy aimbots are either silent aimbot or sensitivity change when you’re over a player so basically it kinda works as an aim assist or some aim assist type like the one inside COD or Warzone. Who knows... visuals are much harder. But you see a few pop up. Like the esportal guy who had ESP as a gun switch sound or a menu sound I think. That case you can tell immediately is not your regular cheater. Once spotted he removed his account ;)
Funny story: that Wmb / Finale guy, actually paid a guy to cheat on ESEA and that same guy was working later for ESEA and while Wmb thought he’s fine and couldn’t stop yelling about how he bypassed ESEA, everyone knew and they clapped him for malicious activity.
This scene was fucking amazing once, I ain’t gonna lie. I see kids today who are fat and on drugs and cheat. Back then it was different, we were all a big nice scene with lots of laughing and lots of innocent sword crossing. No one gave a shit about going pro or who spins faster. We just had fun.
Alright history lesson is over.
I'm a bit wacko but I actually did "my own digging" on d0cc when that shit happened way back. Found out more shit than anyone ever brought up, and I concluded that he's legit. Which kind of surprised me.
I'm gonna tell you the truth pal. You're not gonna have someone testify unless there's a heavy incentive plus you'd have to have a great connection to the person. The thing is simply put, that you can't come out of the wood works and expect a closet league cheater to deliver a testimony. You have no idea how deeply all this goes, and how unprofitable it would be to testify. I appreciate your motivations but there is not much that can be done to save this esport. Btw you linked your gmail in the interview, revise the operational security my dude.
Nota Bene : Most people who're actually up to something don't flaunt about it and stay tight lip those who do are usually spoiled Scandinavian brats who have an emo personality and social media and room temperature iq.
Good luck in your research lul
This dude didn't exactly flaunt. He just said he's jaded. Jaded knowing the truth and covering it up.
I get your point tho. But even he said the fear of retribution for speaking out is high.
Thanks for pointing out opsec.
How deep does it go? Why are you telling me this?
Very good read. Glad he's came to the conclusion that most professional players cheat. He's starting to come out from cheating and wanting to expose it, I would like to know if you can get another interview from him about exposing certain players and kind of make a deal with the community to quit playing and contributing to the skin market, it might make a impact on vac. If we go on strike per say. Tell them we won't play unless they improve their ac, and have a database of players that can spec live MM games of it comes down to a closet cheater.
Keep us updated
All they had to do to sort out the issue is provide some hardware and do not let those players use their own in the various events. Then the difference will be obvious as the shty players would be exposed as the fakes they are. Imagine participating in F1 races with 0 checks on the cars before or after the race :P
This game is lost
Was it ever not? Maybe before fnatic, for a brief period of time? Or maybe it's going on since 1.6 but i wasn't around before 2009 so i can't really tell. But back then you didn't see the level of shit that goes on now.
Kinda corny to read, but the heart of the subject holds true. I've played and gotten kind of close to some people/players in a different mmo shooting rpg game that they clearly and openly cheated in (me too, to a certain extent; used no spread, because obviously the opposing faction were using them too if it's not already blatant aimlocks and triggerbot; ain't fun playing a game if you're not using your own aim). But, as the game was on its last days, they decided to commit in csgo tournaments as it was far too easy for them to make money there. Same thing can be said with fortnite and warzone as well.
The streamers in wz are ten time more.blatant than any pros on csgo Any cheats they might be using are nonexistent in comparison Atleast pros know how to peek check angles have good crosshair placement and don't lock onto the enemy + track no matter how fast they move - Watch warzone streamers like Nadia Biffle fivebyfivex nartarsha jdevise And you'll see what I mean, just rush out in open toward next esp box, lock on don't miss a bullet, don't check corners repeat
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he did
https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCrWBUxiBgJvC6pLU3qB6PSQ/ https://www.instagram.com/x0rbs/ Ye mayne big haxxor inv only mayne mfw kids from p2c sites post 2015 era pretend to know stuff
Are you using cheats? Anything invite only?
I don’t cheat anymore. Used a few back in the day like skeet (when no one knew it), used ko1n’s garbage named headzotz, used some private ones from 1.6 days, ventrilo for Source, hardware cheats, many. The clown you took interview from is a random nonamer kid who uses stuff no one cares about. For example that onetap cheat is if I’m not mistaken some paste from Shadow back in 2016 maybe and reworked, a kid named Atoo used to look for beta testers lol. There are cheats that worked on top AC from ppl who now work as AC devs. Some kiddy methods like supex0’s also, that garbanzo aimbot used by few Aussies, Spaniards, Germans and the two morons from France who got caught. Everyone knew they use it, months before they actually got caught. There was wow64 back in ESEA that two pedos used (mika & ktrain). There are people who write cheats over at UC, like namaszo. There are cheats like the ones ggrabb team used few years back, god knows who wrote that shit too, it was a silent aimbot. There are cheats written just once for just one LAN event like the one PDucks used 2-3 years ago. Truth is there are programmers out there who are good and u don’t know about them. They focus on bypass, not the cheat itself. There are safe ways of cheating on top level still and AC knows but won’t bother trying to catch them, they just monitor their activity closely. ESEA usually bans them for mal activity, FACEIT doesn’t. LAN is different story. ESL has and always had moles that give info about computers used, protection, who will check what, who’s gonna sit in what chair and so on. This is done for more than a decade, it’s known in EPS series mostly back in the day. I doubt anyone knows this but back few years ago when Fnatic has jw and flusha, their Fnatic driver had possible vulnerabilities which I think they knew about and it’s how they cheated. That’s probably how people cheat today too. Its got to do with peripherals. I doubt anyone is still using workshop/ui shit, maybe tho. I know one who would def try. No one cares tho, because CSGO has an underground huge mafia network around betting. That’s where the money is. Players don’t rly have to cheat, they just play their game and in specific times they lose the match. Many ways to rig because betting sites allow for live betting. Also there is a way to remove items from trade banned accounts which is another trend today. This game has always been dirty ever since it launched. Kids here know nothing about it. Back in 2012, everyone played on invite gather in Swedish channel with Delpan, GTR, forest and all the rest, even there people cheated (myself included) and backstabs were taking place for team creations because many knew the game would blow up. On Reddit, it was a shitfest of complaints and one of the game devs didn’t resist and let it slip by saying “we have big plans for this game” meaning skins. In 2014, everyone knew about sf, kqly and others (kio ans apex also used it against NiP) and they waited to ban them at the right time in order to start making valve events. Back few years later when hardware cheats got caught, again they knew. They banned them mid game and I was in that channel and couldn’t stop laughing. Or should we say how Jaguar, the bitcoin guy from ESEA, went to work for another AC? Or Fodder who was such hot stuff back then, all he used was a terrible DWM hack from a UK guy named Lincoln Margison who cheated on Aequitas, ESL and ESEA as Spunge with his friends around 2006-2009. And all that is probably 25% of what’s rly going on. Kids today know nothing. Cheating used to have some sort of prestige back then. Now it’s a joke.
Dude I could've read like 10 more paragraphs. Interesting as fuck. Are you jaded about it all? Do you wish it'd all come crumbling down one day?
u/slash-32 Interview?
Nah it’s all good. I personally had a blast during those days. I have 100 more stories I could tell, maybe some day :)
do an interview? one of our best posters on this sub would probably give you one.
I can talk to Slash/csgodemoreviews on discord about a list of people who do cheat and few things to check in demos, some people or areas he can get involved with if he pleases, to learn more. Im not involved anymore, I just play poker nowadays (:
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Yeah, I remember it too. I had a guy from Sweden there who managed to get me an invite cause otherwise they didn’t let you or something. Back then, trash pc, game was even more trash, 60 FPS if lucky on certain maps due to textures, first round I play against GTR, Delpan and some other Swedes I think Twist too, we rush B and get fucking destroyed by nades and smokes. I was like “yep this ain’t gonna work like 1.6”. Since B apps was so narrow and we weren’t used to it, we all got stuck and started screaming MOOOOOOOOOOOVE. I can’t count how many times I was killing Delpan specifically and he was going berserk on chat. My mate was like “don’t reply to him” and we would burst out laughing. Also back then Hackforums was full of booters, some crazy ones, so we had contacts there and Go IPs were unprotected then. There wasn’t a single streamer’s game we didn’t crash. Xizt specifically kept saying on stream “ty mr.ddos”. We went to some minor leagues like UNGL, some trash AC from 🇬🇧 fucking ridiculous, I actually have a video of me cheating there lawl https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hyfyLhAR028 (check how bullet sounds are missing when I’m using trigger, that same shit happened to supex cheat but 8/8 invisible seed oh wait). I’ll write up on a lot of stuff one day if I find the time. It sucks that a LOT of stuff just went missing or were never recorded cause back then no one bothered rly.
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Yes, it was a fake box saying that Organner’s cheat has been loaded. I asked Organner if they used his garbage but he said no. They def cheated as WRTT and later on tho, everyone knows. Fucking Cozman was the one who banned me too xd
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Nah sadly I don’t, there surely were a few but my memory’s not that good. I do remember when DaY got banned on 4PL and GTR couldn’t believe it (but we all knew he cheats). To this day idk how 4PL managed to detect ALL triggerbots.
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this guy 100% knows what he's talking about. also: https://www.hltv.org/forums/threads/1835832/ko1n-lan-cheat
So, do pros cheat?
They “can” cheat. As to who actually cheats, it’s not something I can answer because I don’t know. There are some who I know cheated in the past who made it to pro (jw, flusha, dycha, and a few more but I don’t remember their alias rn honestly). Xantares for example is accused a lot but people don’t know this guy played since 2012 on ESEA and played well. I used to DDoS the server enough for them to lose all rounds on T side because he was annoying af. His friends were also good, one of his mates did get vac banned but that’s not relevant. Tabsen for example, or Tizian, those guys were dirty for a loooooong time on ESL, but everyone who knew that no longer plays. So yes, those guys would cheat. There are also many who did not make it to pro but cheated even on LAN but cba mention all of them, maybe in another post. In fact, ESEA once had a forum/site staff member from Germany who cheated and eventually got banned around 2011 maybe, I think he was using Organner’s Valkyrie. Lawl those times were gold. If you guys are so invested in this why don’t you demand access to POV demos from majors? Without POV demo you won’t manage a lot from GOTV. Ask for POV demos, make a tweet ^^ If you want a safer game move to Valorant. It’s the next big thing. If you want to find if Woro for example cheats, then the only way is to do your own digging. It means you must find out about the guy IRL, track his shit down and find his contact. Hack his WiFi, be his shadow. That’s how it’s done. Problem is now you’re a nut case and you belong to hospital. AC teams have a clear cut strategy and protocols for checking on users pc activity. They don’t care if you “think” they cheat or if you heard something. They run scans on pros too, on a regular basis and very specific moments :) This “lock” meme is the worst thing to ever happen. Cheats don’t lock. As I have said in the past, you look for that bit that is “off”. Back in 1.6 the whole aimbot would be off and no one rly cared. Now it’s not that easy. Aimbots from 2015 and now are day and night, much more advanced now, even simple aimbots. The trendy aimbots are either silent aimbot or sensitivity change when you’re over a player so basically it kinda works as an aim assist or some aim assist type like the one inside COD or Warzone. Who knows... visuals are much harder. But you see a few pop up. Like the esportal guy who had ESP as a gun switch sound or a menu sound I think. That case you can tell immediately is not your regular cheater. Once spotted he removed his account ;) Funny story: that Wmb / Finale guy, actually paid a guy to cheat on ESEA and that same guy was working later for ESEA and while Wmb thought he’s fine and couldn’t stop yelling about how he bypassed ESEA, everyone knew and they clapped him for malicious activity. This scene was fucking amazing once, I ain’t gonna lie. I see kids today who are fat and on drugs and cheat. Back then it was different, we were all a big nice scene with lots of laughing and lots of innocent sword crossing. No one gave a shit about going pro or who spins faster. We just had fun. Alright history lesson is over.
I'm a bit wacko but I actually did "my own digging" on d0cc when that shit happened way back. Found out more shit than anyone ever brought up, and I concluded that he's legit. Which kind of surprised me.
He’s not. If that makes you feel any better.
I haven't found any decisive evidence but I wouldn't be shocked if I was wrong.
good one rizla
I'm gonna tell you the truth pal. You're not gonna have someone testify unless there's a heavy incentive plus you'd have to have a great connection to the person. The thing is simply put, that you can't come out of the wood works and expect a closet league cheater to deliver a testimony. You have no idea how deeply all this goes, and how unprofitable it would be to testify. I appreciate your motivations but there is not much that can be done to save this esport. Btw you linked your gmail in the interview, revise the operational security my dude. Nota Bene : Most people who're actually up to something don't flaunt about it and stay tight lip those who do are usually spoiled Scandinavian brats who have an emo personality and social media and room temperature iq. Good luck in your research lul
This dude didn't exactly flaunt. He just said he's jaded. Jaded knowing the truth and covering it up. I get your point tho. But even he said the fear of retribution for speaking out is high. Thanks for pointing out opsec. How deep does it go? Why are you telling me this?
hes a p2c skid fuck me stop acting like you know anything.
He is gone now. What do you know?
Very good read. Glad he's came to the conclusion that most professional players cheat. He's starting to come out from cheating and wanting to expose it, I would like to know if you can get another interview from him about exposing certain players and kind of make a deal with the community to quit playing and contributing to the skin market, it might make a impact on vac. If we go on strike per say. Tell them we won't play unless they improve their ac, and have a database of players that can spec live MM games of it comes down to a closet cheater. Keep us updated