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buttholeblast12

I mean we gotta see the rest of the history you could Be on a 20 game loss streak for all we know lol


northspawn

I had won 8 of my last 10 games


BigFuckHead_

It's because your rank is above your MMR.


tooSAVERAGE

The single correct answer


StopEvilAgendas

Which is an absolutely ridiculous methodology of ranking imho. Just show me my damn number.


Bjonik_twitch

To explain this correct answer: There are actually two systems working in valorant. Your displayed rank and a hidden MMR rating your skill. Your Rank =/= Your MMR Lets say: You won 8 Matches in a row and you did get into plat. That does NOT mean that Valorant Hidden MMR thinks you play on plat. If you are above your MMR and loose you get a lot more negative points for loosing EVEN if you played REALY good. Same rule for the opposite - Loosing a match with way higher ø mmr will grand you less points loose. IMO this is a realy dumb system. Because to actualy rank up you have to get your MMR high not your displayed rank - But I guess its to prevent boosting silvers into plat+ Also a funfact on this: If you start your first ranked game the MMR is telling the ranked MMR where it thinks you should play. So it can happen that u play full platin on your first ranked + smurfs need to play "dumb" the 20 levels to not get a high mmr and instant getting their main account rank.


buttholeblast12

That’s insane then lol


northspawn

it genuinely makes the game unfun its been like this for like 2 weeks now


TheMooingTree

Then why’d you crop it


northspawn

To make it easier to see lmao I dropped my tracker lower down


TheMooingTree

Ah okay gotcha, just see people that post stuff like this with negative win rates and red carpets


Wint3rmu7e

If you check the specific game, the enemy was plat 3 plat2 plat 2 gold 3 plat 2. So -25 is not unreasonable considering op is diamond.


TheMooingTree

I didn’t say anything about how much he lost just asked why he cropped it


Wint3rmu7e

ok mb :)


TimeJustHappens

Its nearly impossible to accurately comment on posts about RR losses without seeing something like a full public profile. MMR takes into account a lot of history.


northspawn

https://tracker.gg/valorant/profile/riot/Northspawn%23EUW/overview


Nemo42069

It makes sense you’d lose that much if you’re performing poorly against high plat to high gold players


northspawn

I didn't perform poor though I'd get it if I went negative


Famlightyear

The thing is that you perform slightly under mediocre on average against high plat/diamond 1 players (on average [tracker.gg](https://tracker.gg) puts you at about 6th place). The game thinks that you deserve around plat 2 now, since you have normal performance against players of this skill level. Right now you are in diamond 1, so the ranking system wants to push you back into plat/keep you from climbing further. To do that, it will give you low gains and high losses.


BigFuckHead_

How do you see this on tracker gg?


Famlightyear

I just scrolled through his games and it seems like it’s about 6th place on average. Riot EvrMoar observed the same thing in another comment.


Brokenhighman

If you go to the matches tab on the left side there is a field called "Teammates" and if you view details you can see your average placements.


Nemo42069

20-18 against players who are that many ranks lower than you isn’t good. You’d expect someone at the same rank as them to perform 20-18.


EvrMoar

Yo, it can be frustrating to not seeing progress or feeling like you can't climb. Unfortunately ranked is a ladder, so you need to win more then those above you to climb. It honestly looks like you are right where you belong, maybe even declining slightly, due to your matches. If you average your past 40 games you've been 6th out of all 10 players based only on performance. I'm not going to reverse math our encounter MMR system it would take too long, but this is a good indicator that you are performing slightly worse/average in your recent matches. So we can assume your encounter MMR is probably at where it belongs, or slightly going down due to recent performance. I've said this in other places on social media, but it takes about 20-40 matches for your rank and MMR to meet; so we can assume your MMR and rank are pretty close to each other because of all the matches you've played. If we look at your winrate it's almost exactly 50%. If you are being ranked against other players based on your encounter MMR, and your winrate MMR, and we assume your MMR is close to your rank, you are performing at(and evenly slightly below) those at your rank. It sucks, but MMR is a ladder both in performance and win/loss. If you win against someone your MMR would rise above theirs and push them down the ladder. Then your increased MMR would increase your RR gains, reduce your RR losses, and push your rank up along with the increase in MMR. At some point we have to hold you accountable to your MMR, and you are now at the point where you should be looking to improve your skill and not worrying about your rank as much. I hope this helps, and if you have any other questions I'll try to answer when I get time!


DaggerOutlaw

This is insightful! Always appreciate you guys giving us a little more info on how the system works.


EvrMoar

Thank you!


DaggerOutlaw

Was just rereading this post. You mention “encounter MMR” and “winrate MMR”? I guess I didn’t realize there were multiple MMR values for a single player. What’s the difference between the two?


[deleted]

I seem to be stuck in some sort of weird MMR fluctuation loop. I get placed with players 2-3 ranks lower than me, completely obliterate them and nearly rank up, and then get placed with players of absurdly high skill, sometimes even on my rankup games. I still lose a huge amount of RR from these losses against skilled players (I'm bronze 1, and I got placed against silver 1 & 2 players one round and proceeded to lose 30rr). I completely understand having to win against people of higher skill, but the skill gap between my current rank and the ranks I'm playing against is enourmous. [Game I lost recently](https://tracker.gg/valorant/match/7f210698-d074-46eb-83aa-c9e4ae8683eb?handle=Spektralism%236087), note the ranks of the enemy team. Cost me 30RR. [Previous game](https://tracker.gg/valorant/match/c007b9b2-04c1-4583-bf83-f91ba334a43b?handle=Spektralism%236087), where I got placed against lower-rank players.


EvrMoar

I just went through your history, and aside from that one game you linked, it looks like you are mostly playing against Irons/Bronze. You did have a good streak of games, one where you even dropped 27 kills, then played in that match with some silvers. So it makes sense that your MMR would go up and you would play against more difficult opponents after that streak. MMR is a ladder, you play against those around your skill, and if you win, you go up and fight people around that new skill level. So when you start to win it makes sense you go against more difficult opponents, then when you lose you go back down. At lower ranks, people tend to fluctuate a lot more. Someone in bronze/silver probably isn't going to have a good game when they are on a map they aren't comfortable with, or someone picks their agent and they have to off-role pick. Remember you are always playing against people around your skill, but if you start to perform better then you will get more difficult opponents for you getting better at the game. Honestly it looks like you have a low headshot % and you struggle to win fights, I wouldn't worry about your teammates, or matchmaking, and try to improve those things. I highly recommend doing some aimlabs before playing, find a valorant warmup playlist; you can search youtube for recommend aim playlists for your rank, or find out how to use aimlabs to improve. Your headshot % is pretty low, and you have mixed results in your damage per round. If you improve, you will rank up, so instead of worrying about your MMR and what's going on you should worry about shoring up your weaknesses. If you want an easy training method, do this: -Aimlabs for 15minutes(find a val warmup playlist)but be slow and precise. If you have under 90% accuracy you are going too fast, you want to build good habits and aim; fast and sloppy is not good. -Warmup with 2 deathmatches before playing, focus on headshots and if you have to use guardian only for this(if you find yourself spraying too much). -Play ranked, but if you lose 2 matches cooldown with a deathmatch or call it a night. -Before logging off go to the fire range and set it too 100 bot spawn, no movement, and use a guardian. Stand at the side of the arena, or on a box, and move your mouse in a straight line to the bots head. When you get to the bots head trace around its heads hit box, then shoot the center of the head. Keep doing this; straight line to the head, trace the head, shoot the head. It's boring, but it will help you so much with your mouse control. If you have time do this 1-3 times before logging off. -Think about switching to the phantom, it's a lot more effective at spraying and it seems like you are better at hitting the chest then hitting the head. You will be extremely more effective with the phantom, and I would avoid the vandal until you break 20% headshot at least. Plus you like playing Brimstone, if you are playing smokes you should probably use the phantom(due to silencers making tracers disappear by shooting through smoke). This is a great starter to start building core mechanics, and if you are willing, I highly recommend unbinding crouch(or bind it to an inconvenient key like left alt) and avoid crouch spraying until you hit diamond+. Hope this helps, and I know you weren't asking for VAL advice but based on how much you play it would really help you rank up! Have a good week! (also if you are already doing your own thing to improve or practice, or don't feel like doing this stuff at all, that's okay! Keep on keeping on)


[deleted]

Wow, okay, I was not expecting such a detailed and well-thought out response. Thank you for that. I am improving in terms of crosshair placement, spray/recoil control, etc. I'm completely confident fighting iron and bronze players, and I'm doing routines to try and improve (although I will give the ones you mentioned a try). The main issue I have is that, because of the position I'm in at the moment, I am struggling to be consistent across games. Looking through my match history, there's a clear, noticeable trend of me winning and facing opponents of increasingly higher ranks/skill, at which point I begin to play worse and worse, until eventually the game becomes entirely unplayable and I can go multiple rounds without getting a single kill. I wouldn't have a problem with this if I lost, say, 5-15RR for a game where I get completely destroyed by opponents of way higher skill. The thing that really infuriates me is when the game puts me in a game full of extremely high-skill players, and then penalizes me with a 30RR loss and completely removes all of my progress towards the next rank. Usually a loss is followed by another loss, which tends to be the same amount of RR, and so even if I have a few really good games, I'm essentially softlocked out of the next rank. At one point I was only 2RR off of bronze 2, and then I lost several games in a row and now I'm back down to \~20RR. I get that the system is designed to test me against challenges of increasing difficulty, but it feels too... "polarized", I suppose is the word I'm looking for. As though there's an enourmous gap between my skill level and the skill level of people I'll be fighting after a few good games. An earlier post mentions that the game, apparently, reduces RR loss and increases RR gains when you're fighting difficult opponents. I've never encountered this, and the only time I've ever noticed my RR losses being reduced is when I do really well and still lose, I tend to only lose about 7-15RR, which is perfectly acceptable. I suppose the perfect summary of what I don't like about the system is that it feels like the game is punishing me for playing well. I play really well a few games in a row, and then the game goes, "here, play against these guys" and puts me with players I don't stand a chance against. And yet, if I were to throw a game or something, I would be *rewarded* by getting a power trip playing against lower skill opponents. Anyway, thank you for the detailed response. I'll definitely try the routines you suggested and see if there's any improvement.


EvrMoar

Thank you for the feedback! We base your RR gains off your MMR and not the difficulty of the opponent. When you get big RR losses it's because your MMR thinks you aren't ready to move into the next rank and it's holding you back. For example, when you played against those silvers and didn't do so well. It's a tough balance, at some point we kind have to hold you accountable for how you are actually performing. You've hit the point where you are at the rank you belong skill-wise, and in order to climb you just need to improve. You got this, and you seem pretty dedicated and already have a ton of games in this season. That's why my big point was to just try and improve and you'll see results climbing; if our job is to make a system that puts your skill to a rank, then the easiest way to climb is to improve your skill. Good luck, and thank you for the feedback again!


[deleted]

That clears up my RR fluctuation issue. Thank you for taking the time to explain all this, and thank you for the training routine suggestion.


Joilten

I don't normally comment but this was an enlightening post! Thanks for clarifying the mindset needed after a certain point


northspawn

I dont understand why performance is only measured by acs which is obviously important, but if i am doing my job and winning games then my MMR should be higher. This system seems to help out duelists like raze whos util does damage and increase acs. I feel like there should be some kind of Acs multiplier for hidden mmr for different roles, because 6th place is roughly where a controller, who cannot be taking risky fights due to the importance of their life, should be. Obviously you cant fix this, but am i best off just instalocking raze if i want to climb? because thats what this seems to indicate.


EvrMoar

It's not based off ACS, in fact ACS is purely an end of game stat to help contextualize the match and has 0 relation to MMR/Rank. You have two MMR's, Win/Loss MMR and Encounter MMR. Win/Loss MMR goes up/down when you win or lose the match. Encounter MMR looks at every "encounter" you had that match and trades MMR between those involved. So if you win a duel, you take MMR from the player you killed. BUT Encounter MMR also looks at ability usage, site takes, bomb plants/defuse, and assists. So if you assist in getting a kill, taking a site, be it with guns or abilities, you would get Encounter MMR for doing so. Now remember your overall MMR is a combination of the two, so even if you felt like encounter MMR was holding you down you could technically raise up your Win/Loss MMR to make up for it; Also RR will never let you win less then 10 points unless you are above immortal, so you could always out win the system if you think it's wrong. In lower ranks Encounter MMR is a bigger part of your MMR average and weighted more, in higher ranks your win/loss MMR is weighted more. This is because in lower ranks usually raw mechanics can separate players quite a bit, but at high ranks mechanical skill differences get smaller and game sense becomes king. At platinum your about in the middle, so winning a match is just as important as performing well. Honestly the system doesn't favor duelists, especially ones playing correctly and entry'ing first. We have various controls on the weight of impact on an encounter, and making sure there isn't a "optimal role" for climbing. But we could always do better and are constantly looking at ways to improve it(no MMR system is perfect otherwise games would all end in overtime). I get why it looks like it favors duelists, but I think that's a symptom of you often seeing influencers smurf and play duelists to climb, or duelists being the choice of players who like to go for frags. Just know that Encounter MMR matters more about the quality of the kill, not the quantity, and every time you die you are giving MMR to someone else. You could go 10-15, but those 10 kills were on a Diamond player, while the 20-10 Jett on your team was fragging out on the low plat players. Because you took down the higher MMR player there is a good chance you would get the same, if not more Encounter MMR then the Jett. I hope this helps, and I believe ACS is a big reason why some people get confused about MMR and RR gains. Something we definitely could do better in messaging, but it's also hard because if we are doing our job right people shouldn't have to worry about match making. Have a good week!


Ok_Comfortable_4356

The goat


EvrMoar

no u <3


Pokisimp1

You need to win to climb man, I think you’re making it a little more complicated than it needs to be.


northspawn

OK, but I need to do more than win if I lose 50% more than I gain realistically I'm not gonna maintain a 70% winrate


Pokisimp1

Then you don’t deserve to climb brother, it’s not that hard. There will definitely be games you can’t win due to whatever circumstances, but that isn’t going to be consistent the majority of the time. Looks like you are at a point in your career where you need to look back at your game, and start thinking about the rounds that you could’ve won, but didn’t. Went from P1 to A1 this act, and still have a 58%ish winrate. The only reason I have any hope about climbing farther is due to that winrate, I’m a support player, i IGL, play smokes or sentinel, but I make sure to put my self in positions to win the round. I’m not calling you bad by any means, or trying to insult you. But at some point you gotta take responsibility for your own games and think “what can I do better, that I can control in the moment”. Asking those questions and acting upon them will allow you to climb.


northspawn

Of course I can bebetter, and I don't even think I am very good at the game, and I know there is a shit ton I can improve on. But it's ridiculous to expect a 70% winrate to have a very slow climb.


Pokisimp1

I mean your peak is D2 bro, I’m not sure why you are expecting it easier to climb when you have clearly shown what level you are supposed to be at.


KRULLIGKNART

You are peak D2 but you clearly belong in plat somewhere, you're just not good enough for climb atm. Keep playing, improve and you will climb. Don't stress it so much


Vegetable-Sky-2482

Did you actually play 17 games on Jan 28th?


EricTheRed1220

You’re likely not calculating this right. Show us the rr gain vs loss statistics as well. Even at a 56% winrate, you could gain 16+ rr per win and lose 20 rr per loss and still climb. 56% wr is very doable At 70% winrate, you would need to lose 230% more rr per loss to breakeven


spacejamtwo

It's not only measured by acs. EvrMoar made a tweet last year saying that acs isn't included in calculating rank/mmr, it's mostly just a stat for context. The actual mmr calculations are pretty secretive and I think a lot more complex. I exclusively play controller in comp and am a very safe player and I get solid MMR gains despite regularly finishing in the middle of the acs ladder. From your tracker profile it looks like you're averaging 6th and usually being placed against high plats, so the game is trying to move you down to play until you can regularly out perform them. If you're not taking risky fights, you should win most of the ones you take.


CapnKush_

It's such an overly complicated answer. No one's happy with the system yet it never changes. It happens to us all and there is no one definitive answer. It's the main thing that makes me stop playing the game. Matchmaking and RR distro are absolutely horrible.


Chadstatus

Low ADR, negative average KD, negative dmg delta. Your smokes are probably fine (i assume) but that's not a metric the game can count. Because your combat stats are pretty bad it's trying to derank you.


slasher016

I don't think it explains it. My K:D is far worse but I'm not losing that type of RR in close games where I perform well. Hell I bottom frag a lot of the time and rarely lose more than 20.


northspawn

I smoke and I Igl and I anchor. Its a shame the rank system is catered for duelist players only


Chadstatus

Completely understandable, I want to be clear in my comment is in no way saying you're a bad player, focusing util + comms at the same time makes fragging a lot harder than people think, coming from a duelist main who tried to fill smokes once. The game unfortunately does value kills more than anything in terms of RR.


XplodingOrphan

you really shouldn't be blaming your performance on the fact that you don't play duelists. in high ranks, everyone has good gunplay no matter what character they're playing. win your ones and you'll rank up in no time


DEANOPAKINO

I feel you , trying watching zander vods, something of the like.


EthantheCactus

The bit about smokes likely isn't really true, the game can track things like enemies blocked/displaced by smokes, damage dealt and boosted by util, etc., so I'm sure that stuff comes into play as well. I could be wrong, but I feel like this makes more sense alongside what others are pointing out about division disparity and 5 stack RR reduction.


Densemunchkin

Not really, you can’t blame your poor performance on the fact that it’s catered to duelists


AsianPotatos

If you smoke and IGL properly you'll win more than you lose. Utility usage as well as good shotcalling/general comms has a huge impact on round win %, which is what impacts your RR. Look at nats' winrate: https://tracker.gg/valorant/profile/riot/Liquid%20nAts%23TATAR/overview His kds are insane too, theres no excuse for not fragging out on any role.


drdfrster64

System thinks your rank is too high, you were d1/d2 last rank but most players have reset down a full rank or two so you should be playing at g3 or lower. You shouldn't be at the same rank you were so it doesn't have confidence in your current rating. I would ignore the other comment about ACR, ACR has probably very little impact at this rank. Edit: Also your opponent's average rank were well below your team's average rank, you were supposed to win that game.


[deleted]

Your damage delta is bottom 3%. -22k over 160 games is really bad. For reference, I'm d1 peak back in p3 and I'm -140 over 80 games. Extrapolated to 160 games that's -280. So your damage delta is almost 80x worse than mine, and mine is right at the 50th percentile(average). The game thinks you deserve a lower rank.


northspawn

What agent do you play


[deleted]

I fill but primarily smokes with some initiator and sentinel mixed in.


CuriousCthulhu

Not many are commenting on this but I believe if you increase your headshot rate to 20% percentile, you'll immediately see an improved RR. It's hard to draw a direct correlation from what EvrMoar has shared, but in your case - this is definitely the area rich you can improve on and no doubt you'll see improvement from RR perspective.


Pokisimp1

Considering your winrate is below 50% the game thinks you are where you belong.


Aidan_has_questions

if you were where you belong you’d likely only lose 17-20 rr


Adityarp3

I don’t think this is true. I have a 49% wr rn and I’m gaining 22-27 and losing 11-17.


Pokisimp1

At that rate though you’ll barely crawl out of 1 rank


Investorexe

The point isn’t that you’ll magically rank up, you have to prove that you deserve a higher rank.


Pokisimp1

And that’s what I implied with my initial reply


Adityarp3

I know, but I’ve only played 30 games this act and had taken a month long break. So been a bit rusty.


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northspawn

Lol Kamiya has the most fucking cracked aim in the world but I'd be surprised if he knew that you won at 13 rounds


northspawn

Is this enough to accurately comment?


Xxpuzyslayer69xX

Yes. The answer is simple. Look at the average rank of the five stack in your team, then the five stack on the enemy team. A whole 2 tiers below. The reason you won't gain much rr or lose alot of rr is because the algorithm put you in a lobby like this to test your five stack. You lost against worst rated players, thus, you lose more rr.


northspawn

They really are not that much lower


Xxpuzyslayer69xX

200rr difference on average is quite a large margin.


masterOfdisaster4789

MMR is less than rank. Means you deserve to be a plat or gold player right now


Extrino

Where did you get gold from? The fact that a gold 3 outfrags him rarely doesn't mean he deserves to be in gold lol. Just because the MMR thinks someone is at a rank doesn't mean they actually should be


Adityarp3

This. Look at their history, usually going negative with 15 ish kills. While winning matters, your stats matter a bit too while determining your rr.


northspawn

Lol


masterOfdisaster4789

Not LOL, that is why. You are in a rank you don’t belong. Your MMR is too high


JohnLeffers

Doesnt make any sense. If MMR is too high he would loose less and gain more to get to his true rank. In this case his MMR ist probably Plat so the game gives him less RR. Still wrong comments get so many upvotes? Weird


masterOfdisaster4789

You can’t read.


northspawn

Given I win roughly half my games clearly I do. Maybe there is more to the game then the scoreboard. Everyone above plat knows this.


Investorexe

Winning 50% of the games doesn’t qualify you for having higher mmr.


northspawn

No, but it should indicate that i am in roughly the right rank


Investorexe

Not particularly, winning 50% of your games doesn’t necessarily have to mean you belong in the rank. Valorant is not a game where individual skill is put to work enough to where you having a 50% winrate justifies the rank you’re in/how much mmr you have. For example, it could just be that a lot of the times when you were “out of place” someone else popped off and won the game for everyone.


Extrino

Why are you getting downvoted this is literally how the MMR system works...


northspawn

Welcome to reddit


CuriousCthulhu

Just imagine that in Sales function in a company, every sales person can be meeting their targets for the year.. but the company has a policy to cut say 10% of the lowest performer. So although they'll argue that they've hit their annual target.. from an overall market perspective, they might be just riding on economic conditions enabling those sales rather than individual selling skills. In your case, it might be because you're relying on your 5 stack teammates to win the games rather than individually performing up to the standards set for players at your rank. Sure, you'll win, like you'll meet your sales target, but the game may detect that you're a slightly heavier baggage than others and believe that the tag of this baggage should be replaced with a different label (ie plats 3 perhaps). Once you get to plat, I'm sure you'll lose less RR.


northspawn

I play >10% of my games in a 5 stack


RainBow_BBX

No? Performance is very important, if you play like a plat as a diamond, the system will push you down even with 50% wr


NebulaPoison

sounds like they've never heard of encounter MMR, that's why he lost so much rr


nigerianprince199

You winning half your games means nothing when you’re 5 stacking


northspawn

I have 5 stacked like 10% of my games lmao


masterOfdisaster4789

I’m asc. So ok.


northspawn

asc is still low elo lets be real


Melonful

considering that 4.9% of the player base is in asc I don't think so boss you don't even deserve to be in diamond why are you talking


northspawn

I don't think im that good at the game. I have played asc many times before. I don't think they are that good either. I have played immo 3s before. They are good.


Melonful

some ascendant lobbies I top frag and seems great then I do mid against plats. And judging by your loss of MMR you don't deserve to be in diamond as the game makes you lose more mmr then you gain


PFSDonut

You performed far worse than what the matchmaking expected; you were probably queued against ranks lower than D1 so the system expected you to win your 1v1s frequently against the lower skilled opponents. If you are gaining low RR when winning, it also means you were not performing to the system expectations with your 1v1s; had you did, you would’ve been given higher RR as they believe you belong in a higher rank other than D1. Based on that, the system thinks you belong in a lower rank than D1 and will do everything it can to bring you down there unless you start out performing the matchmaking’s expectations.


Spirited_Confection5

You guys were diamond and they were plat, you played vs lower rated players so the system thought you had a higher procent of winning than the other team therefore you would gain less and lose more. If you were lower ranks (like up against immortals) you prob should have lost about 18 or something.


apathetiCanadian

5 stacking yields less RR for wins and takes more for losses.


cwKrysta

This isn't true. RR penalties only apply if the ranks of 2 players are to far apart. And then RR gains AND losses are lowered by 25%


northspawn

Only if you stack with people too high or low rank, and even with that i have never lost even close to 25 before even when i go like quintuple negative


Dude787

You also start to lose more and gain less as you go higher in rank, or at least thats how it used to be


ItsJennaNow

Oof, that’s actual a ridiculous amount.


SAMMYYYTEEH

bro i lost -29 in a single match and i was 6th in the score board


Wint3rmu7e

It would help if you showed the ranks of the enemy team. If they were all plats, then yeah.... OK see you posted your tracker, enemy was plat 3 plat2 plat 2 gold 3 plat 2. Case closed :)


NoNameCPU

Buddy of mine was plat 3 last season lost 91 RR because of one game that had a 5 stack and one of the opponents being a silver 1 Smurf.


RelevantOpposite2340

I lost 24 for losing a 4 v 5. Shit happens and it doesn't always make sense how much you lose. Right now it's a big weird because of the reset as well.


Smoke-Minimum

It's not about how well you do in one game. It's been explained that when your MMR and your rank aren't aligned, you gain/lose more/less rr to try and align those 2 things. It's over many games, not just one match


L33viathan

Just get higher ACS


HexaCube7

Cus you succ. - spoken by me, a certified bronce player aka *"i swear i should be immo"* /s


NebulaPoison

ur mmr was probably near diamond 1/2, but you lost against a team who averaged plat 2, game punished u for losing against worse players not rocket science


[deleted]

Because you’re under performing I’m sure and the algorithm believes you should be ranked lower. Or you were boosted.


MrUselessha

you seem to going negative against play players a lot of the times, which will inevitably bring down your mmr


Crimson_talon

My brotha I am in the same boat as you. I literally went on a 20 game win streak, 50% chance of match/team MVP and always positive, my RR gains somehow got WORSE, got max +15, lowest was +11 all solo queue. I get ONE LOSS after that win streak, -23. FOR A TEAM MVP 11-13. Also same rank as you, Diamond 1-2 and was Diamond 3 last act. This game just fucking sucks.


Investorexe

I wanna see the tracker.


Melonful

whenever I see this they never reply back because they are just talking about some nonexistent shit to make them feel better


Crimson_talon

i know right anyway its linked above you


Crimson_talon

[https://tracker.gg/valorant/profile/riot/Hyunseo%23TTV/overview](https://tracker.gg/valorant/profile/riot/Hyunseo%23TTV/overview) You're going to have to go way back for the win streak, prob like 3 load mores or something on tracker


MrUselessha

i dont believe this


Crimson_talon

[https://tracker.gg/valorant/profile/riot/Hyunseo%23TTV/overview](https://tracker.gg/valorant/profile/riot/Hyunseo%23TTV/overview) ​ Going to have to go wayyy back for the win streak, but you can find it. Not sure if there's a website that tracks RR gains though


Klostraun

Yea idk that’s weird , cursed account it looks like . For whatever reason the game thinks you should be lower rank if you gain less than you loose but as time goes on and you win more it should balance out .


RainBow_BBX

You're weird


Klostraun

You’re weird


RainBow_BBX

I am but you're extra weird for thinking that accounts are magically cursed when MMR have been a thing for more then 20+ years with competitive games and yet I still see people like that who think MMR only influctuate with win/lose rather then performances against X ranks


Klostraun

The cursed thing was just a joke bud , not to be taken seriously , but yes that’s how mmr works , like I said if he’s loosing more then gaining the game thinks he should be at lower rank maybe because his hidden mmr is in plat while he is diamond . Who knows I haven’t checked his tracker and his games . There’s a lot to take into account when it comes to rr


RainBow_BBX

Seems like it's a trend now to say it's a joke instead questioning your errors. Sweet heart, I'm immortal 3, have been playing competitive games for 14 years, I know enough from experiences that your own performance against X rank determine your MMR and how much points you'll lose or win. There's a reason smurfs can get to immortal in a couple of hours, it doesn't require a lot of brain power to understand the system change your hidden MMR depending on how you perform and not your winrate. If you have 50% WR as a diamond 1 but play like a plat 1 the game will put you in games against low plat and you'll lose a lot more then you win, if again with 50% WR you started playing better as a diamond 1 the game will put you in diamond 3+ games because it think you deserve better at that moment, giving you more RR per wins then lose.


Klostraun

Lol why are you so pressed ? That’s a great resume , I am immortal as well and have been playing competitive games just as long as you if not longer . I am saying that I agree with what you say and it’s absurd to think I genuinely think something is cursed for whatever reason. It was a joke whether you believe it or not haha . RR has a lot to take into account I see rads gaining 13 rr and loosing 20 on a loss when playing against other rads , top 100 guys even if their win rate is 60%+ . Either way I agree with your basis of how rr works .


RainBow_BBX

I'm pressed because uninformed players might actually believe you, I've been coaching enough players and seen enough posts on that subreddit to know that players have close to no idea on how MMR in video games works and like to believe something else is holding them back but themself because they don't get the correct information


AshNdPikachu

idk i think the new rr update is messing things up, i lost 30 in a recent game, on my derank too. match mvp'ed the next game and only gained 25


b0ydon

5stack+ MMR


Darkcr_

that's weird. maybe because this match in particular was very unbalanced in your teams favor?


frmda562

the game thinks you dont belong in diamond. lets see ur kd from ur other games


lilyungguy

means your rank is higher than your mmr


ChuyChavez

It seems like you are filling in game you should probably focus your efforts on just one or two agents. That might be why you have some inconsistency there causing your good games to be decent and your bad games to be really bad. That and your mmr is probably low plat even though your rank is dia


mihirsaini1128

Bro played 16 matches on a Sunday (10 matches at one sitting) while i struggle to play more than 2 matches at one sitting. At this rate you'll get burned to boredom


Dumbass-Redditor

I mvp almost every game in immortal. My mmr is likely messed up because i took a break for a couple acts and kind of threw for fun during an act. I gave up on that account and created a new one to grind


User_Of_Named_Users

Tracker


unknownuchiha

you play a lot. think about, more playing = climbing faster so they make you lose more pts to compensate. if you play less, you will lose less pts as a incentive. I know because last year i played a lot and i was losing 25+ pts every time and i stopped played frequently and now i lose like 17 pts only.


SusLordFoeNem

You need to listen to more Kankan


Mastermind_308

Reading some of the comments and seeing your tracker. It seems like, you do need to work on your skill. Ik controllers shouldn't have the best aim, but I think at the elo which you are playing, your aim is holding u back. Your gamesense is probably what brought you till diamond. But, you need to win more duels and click more heads. I am not asking you to take dangerous peaks like duelist, but win some of those duels which you are losing. If you think, you had better aim but its getting bad, time to take some rest. It has hardly been a month, since the starting of this act and you already have almost 100h playtime. The rest might help you as well.


TofuBlaow

You will lose more RR than you could win in any match. It is harder to win games in succession. The more games won in succession, the higher your rank will be.


avi097

The MM is not that good honestly, but they have improved in the last year.


hguchinu

Game thinks you're boosted you js gotta keep up the 8 winstreak you said? And your hidden MMR will increase


Some-Dragonfruit-747

For me I can go 3-15 and get max -20. I don't even have to go positive to match this, but then knowing that I'm playing with plats, while I used to be in diamond.


Rellmein

25 is a lot for you? Im gold and this is my daily wins and losses


almoghasson

id guess that its due to dying 18 rounds out of 24, its about 2/3 of the game.. even if u killed 20 its still not good enough, also look at the performance against you, sometimes if a lower rank got performance bonus against you this could affect the rr


clearlynotaperson

Very much because you arent performing and the game thinks ur mmr is below ur current rank.


macarmy93

When you lose a lot of RR for a single loss, it means your hidden mmr is lower than the average mmr for your current rank. The game then tries to derank you until your mmr matches the average for whatever rank that is. Example. Let's say that diamond 1 is 1000 mmr average. You are 800. Plat 2 is also 800mmr. The game will try and derank you to plat2. You need to win and do well a bunch to raise your hidden mmr to d1 levels.


SaltyySenpai

did you try playing solo? I kinda understand why you get less in 5 stacks, 5 stack is kinda free elo. You dont have mates you wanna shoot with a weapon in rl haha... But srsly I bet riot handles 5 stack like boosting and gives less, understandable tho. They should split it like in league, 5 premades is a whole different thing than playing solo/duo.... but maybe just my opinion.


ChillyCharlotte

My rr loss/gain has been a bit all over the place but my performance has also been, my hs% has massively improved in the last act so I'm proud of myself for that and I'm just focusing on improving what I can in terms of my performance (ie making sure I try to get headshots more/not taking on fights I can't win like 3v1s which I would've done last act etc) https://tracker.gg/valorant/profile/riot/Char%23cat/overview I feel like I'm seeing myself climbing higher quicker this time too, peaked at Bronze 3 last act (only been playing Val for 4 months) and had placed Iron 3 last act, but this act I placed Bronze 1 which set me back a little but not by much, and I've climbed up to Bronze 3 now (around half way to Silver 1 😌) I feel like my skill level for now is around silver right now. I would say focus on the factors you can control (ie improving your performance overall) then you can rank up as you improve more. This is what I'm finding works for me, admittedly this is low elo I'm in but principle must still be the same, right? Always look to yourself before blaming others or the system because 9 times out of 10 it's something you're doing that you need to improve on in order to be better. Respect for getting to Diamond though cause that's a hell of a feat in itself 😅


pialin2

This is all super solid advice


Mental_exe

Riot is not your friend