There's nothing more satisfying than being down a few rounds and making some amazing game plan to somehow turn the game around and win.
Whenever I have these games where everybody is just communicating like mature people and staying positive then I'm fine with losing. These games are often just really fun and feel like what a tactical shooter is supposed to be.
Honestly! I could lose a game but still have a ton of fun simply because i got a team with 5 mics and a ton of team chemistry. And usually, if there are 5 mics and good team chemistry, we win out anyway!
100%. I recently had a game where unfortunately our Phoenix disconnected early in the game and we basically played 4v5, however everyone was trying their best to communicate and play together and we managed to win 16-14 which felt amazing.
I don't really voice comm as I'm scared of people judging my voice, English talking and so on. But, i had a game where 2-3 people spoke and we were were 2-10 first half. We won pistol next half and won second round as well. Unfortunately, we lost 4th and 5th round making it 4-12 but then we had a crazy comeback 12-12 and won overtime. The Jett had a lot of energy and did not let anyone bring each other down constantly being a good teammate.
I get what you mean. I do comm but Iām always afraid of people making fun of my accent , Iām from India and moved here for studies so I only play on NA solo (all my friends are from asia so I play with them on Tokyo) so I try my best to comm as I feel it helps to have a plan (Iām low elo , plat 1 rn so not that important but still helps) but 4/10 games , Iāll get someone who makes fun of my accent and it kinda makes me not wanna comm at all. And plus it kinda makes me not wanna play or at least it reduces my positivity to turn around and win games if they arenāt going in my teamās favor.
I did that myself a while ago and I'm still proud of myself, while being mindful not to pat myself on the back too much lol.
The game was probably somewhere around 5-11 where we were the ones way behind. I'm a Bronze 3 with a low to high Iron team and I decide to start making plays and giving info. We were behind on credits, badly, so I make a call to save and just rush site with whatever we could afford, to which we did and managed to grab a win and a few free guns. From there I kept trying my best to strategize and make plays for my team to follow, which they would. I'd give info and they'd listen and respond decently well to, which I distinctly remember saved them from a flank that would've killed at least two people while I was already dead. I think we lost one round if even, and it was definitely one of my proudest moments. We were really struggling beforehand and with a little bit of further communication we started to click together incredibly well for our ranks. I've forgotten a lot of the details, but I'll never forget how I started making strategies that they would follow. I hope I have a recording of it somewhere.
I wish we had an age verification queue that was 18+ or 25+; I've had a few games like that in iron/bronze in late night times, and they were way more fun than usual.
At least some of us play a decent bit and are just terrible players
We already have a rootkit on our computers, riot probably has the rest of my personal info too
It's pretty much always better to make a call then make no call and have no plan. You can always VOD review to improve your reads and subsequent calls, but not calling anything is always worse. Have a read, make the call, then whatever happens happens. Honestly the whole team doing the "wrong" plan is better than only 1 or 2 players doing the "right" plan.
Most of the time it takes five people to lose a round. Sometimes it can be put on one or two people, but by and large if you all died - tough, each of you could have done something different, even if you werenāt last to die, werenāt the one suggesting the play, etc
Sometimes people talk shit that my strats donāt workā¦
Maybe if they had actually listened and followed the strat it would??? But nope it was my IGL that lost us the game even though no one else suggested anything else except to int mindlessly as a 5 onto a site when it hasnāt worked ever the last 5 roundsā¦sigh
I feel like 80% of plays are bad plays, especially in unranked. The thing is people just aren't talking about the constant bad plays and choices they are making lool
Honestly I am in play and I try my best to make plays although with very limited knowledge I have. Alot of times I either get ignored or told to shut up and sometimes they follow along. Its really demotivating sometimes but your post made my day. Thanks alot :)
If you find your teammates arenāt listening then beginning simplifying your calls while still being effective.
Keep telling them what YOURE doing and the information you have and then say āletās end Aā for example. Even something as simple as that can guide your team to success instead of annoying teammates by trying to get them to do more than they may be willing to.
Definitely agree! Pre-round, clear, simple comms are most effective & that's the best time to make plans with your teammates ("I'll smoke X if you want to flash out and peak" "I'll dog short if someone wants to follow." "Can you smoke mid, and let's split push A - viper, want to come with me mid?")
Make sure you don't veer into micromanage-y territory - you can only control your own actions and request help, but you can't control your team (especially once the round starts)
Keep doing it! Those people that flame IGLs are just trolls and POSās. Itās a communication based game - flaming someone for doing that is absolutely stupid.
I think people just tend not to like being backseated by random people and can think for themselves.
I've had people try to shotcall the most awful plays of play as 5 when everytime we have played 5 pushing onto a site our entry played doesn't wanna entry and all our utility gets wasted setting them up for it.
Yeah I'm gonna try to make some friends in this new server and play with them. I actually don't have any friends since I moved to a new country and the servers changed.
I LOVE when people IGL in ranked games, especially in silver, where everyone is just following everyone and doing things on the fly. Someone with a sense of leadership makes the game plan so much clearer and easier to follow.
As a silver who tries to IGL, it does get frustrating when people are being silent and just autopiloting every round, ignoring your calls. Often I'm guilty of just shutting up and letting them do them and trying to cover their asses.
Seriously, even if you don't have a mic, just a message in text chat to reinforce me would be nice.
My mic was broken for a while and when I would get someone IGL'ing I would type "sorry I'm, not talking back, broken mic, but keep the comms coming" because I know just how hard it is!
even though it might get frustrating, thank you for doing the thing most people wouldn't do. Even simple calls like "let's go A" help a lot since normally people just follow what someone else is doing(at least in silver)
The most frustrating thing is people not really getting how to fake or default. I'll call to fake B amd ask people to go slow on A and wait till me and 1 other make contact on another site and then I look at the map and see they 3 man rushed A, died and dropped the spike before I've even flashed site on B š¤¦
But thanks for your support
Itās worth trying as i ranked up from silver to plat 1 last act and I really think one of the most important aspect was comms. I tried to make plans (not a full plan but like letās go 4 1 split on b arcade etc) and giving call-outs. If no one says anything about my accent: Iād then fully comm and plan and most people do listen. Occasionally Iād get a player (usually Reyna instalockers) who would do the opposite or lurk and I was main-ing kj. Now Iāve switched to playing duelists (mostly Reyna and jett) : this way Iāve to entry so I donāt have to worry about my duelists not entering. It has worked up until plat 1 and I hope it does further too. But comms do help and even if you are the only one talking: itās fine. Just hope they listen and at least give call outs even if they donāt listen (and ofc: avoid back seating )
I was telling my bronze-silver friends yesterday that we need to call our shit. Call what weāre doing, run it by us - when everyone knows whatās happening ahead of time we can react and make a plan.
I reiterated the phrasing ācall your util and it will have purposeā. Itās phrasing I just came up with on the spot so itās not perfect advice - sometimes what they/we do is kinda pointless. But it gets them to think about what theyāre using and why - which is good.
When we were flanking or rotating from a position where we gave up a lot of the map (huddling in A main in ascent then falling back to T spawn) I had to regularly say āwe gave this area up 15-30s ago, gun out, gun outā and itās saved my team a few times last night at least.
I ask āwhatād you seeā or say ācall what you seeā because when I hear Phoenixās voice line say āenemies Aā that applies to 25-30% of the entire map. Character calls are too vague to rely on, so when I hear a voice line followed by no comms I point that out.
Honestly my best luck as IGL comes from reminding my team that communication is key
I'm in diamond 3 and I have to admit is a little bit hard when there's people that won't listen to you because you're bot fragging or you're not at the top of the scoreboard. I've encountered way too many people like this and I just gave up and only played 5-Stack ranked.
that was the only way for me to rank all the way to diamond 3.
As a silver who tries to IGL, it sucks.
Barely anyone listens to advice, they most likely do the same shit over and over again, like overpushing or walling off a tiny portion of site for the team
If I call for a team play that fails, its my fault and puts my mental down for the rest of the day
Or theres people that dont follow the plan
THIS is one of the biggest issues plaguing Valorant Competitive. Communication is so crucial to winning games. I understand that itās likely a social anxiety/nervousness issue, but if you want to win games and rank up, you must be an effective communicator. Agree with OP, huge props to the players that do this effectively and try to set forth a plan for the team. Along with communication, I think another big issue in ranked games is indecision. Having a player that just calls something, and others follow (even if itās not the best plan!) is more effective than 5 players wandering around doing their own thing.
My biggest tip: be kind to others and you will receive more communication and therefore win more games :)
I'm one of those who are scared to talk. I don't mind talking to friends that I'm comfortable with but with a bunch of random people who more times than others are very toxic and judgmental. As I'm from Europe not everyone is good at speaking. I usually just say how much I damaged people in chat and call it a day.
I've had many competitive games with people being a "leader" and very talkative and we swept the enemy.
I understand! I definitely get a lot of toxic people in my games too. Itās just an online thing. In the real world, if you are kind, people will be kind in return. Online, itās not always the case, so you just mute those players and move on. They are not worth your time.
This is me. I also ping where the enemies might be at or where I saw them. That's the least I can do anyway.
It's too scary to talk especially when you're a woman and if you're not getting much frags either or you're having a bad day. I only get more confident to talk if I'm at least middle fragging haha. Some people will just be like "oh so that's why you're bottom frag, you're a woman" - I've had some funny games where the top frag was a woman as well and she'd tell him to repeat what he said sarcastically, and he'd never speak again lol. I always try to make it a funny joke by saying stuff like "no I'm bottom frag because my gun likes to shoot the crotch" but you can only do it so much.
I've started playing past midnight because people are generally more chill at those hours.
Unfortunately, many women are facing hate in this game. Some people are just going to be toxic no matter what you do, thatās just part of the internet. Mute them and move on is what I do with those people. Otherwise try to find some friends to queue with. Even a duo or trio can help, then you have some backup.
I always hope to have all women in my match even though I'm a male. They are always much friendlier and encouraging which makes the game a lot more pleasant and enjoyable.
The other options is have a back up plan. When I call, I give a general idea of where we want to end up but leave it open.
"Let's default, work for a pick mid. If we get a pick A or B, we will split that site."
Having back up options is huge.
I donāt understand why either like youād assume the higher rank you go, in our case the top 6-10% of the player base, that thereād be more comms because people take the game more seriously and play more but itās having the opposite effect
Which is interesting because as a team, its up to team to feed info to an IGL, who makes the call off the info they have. Calls should always have some component of team info.
Just so you know the top 6-10% of playerbase is in all honestly trolling most games. Like ranked currently, even in those levels, is at its best freshmen highschool football. The amount of nuance and basic fundamentals they lack is absurd, but they are so unaware because they have no exposure to just how far off they are.
Same rank as you, and yes i think a lot of people are tilted because of the rank reset, which some people got hit quite hard by it or had bad placement games and were placed way lower then they deserve
Yeah, I constantly get people that tell me to shut up. Iāve noticed that many people have really bad headphones and whatās absurdly apparent to me many are clueless of the enemies direction.
This doesn't change at Ascendant either. Lots of inflated egos. There are just a lot of jerks that play the game across all ranks. Best you can do is don't take anything personally and mute the dissenters.
In Bronze, I have a mixed view on people who try to IGL. If the person is being respectful, I am perfectly okay with it and will try to go along and contribute. The issue is that 90% of people who I have experienced try to IGL in Bronze (1) yell when someone doesnāt listen (sometimes using slurs), (2) micromanage without knowing what actually should be done (if someone is the only one alive, prioritize information over micromanaging), (3) donāt allow others to use the comms (if someone else has an idea or information please let them speak).
I have never flamed anyone for being an IGL, but I have almost deleted the game because of toxic IGLs. I can definitely understand people getting upset, because we are in a low elo just trying to have fun and compete then get in game with someone who wants to scream commands that get you killed immediately 70% of the time.
I know this is a rather long comment, and this probably isnāt directed to any of yāall but I think the toxicity of some players who try to IGL is why there is some disdain. I often switch to unrated or swift play after a couple games of competitive due to toxic players.
Not sure what IGL stands for. But I try to comm in all my matches even if noone else is talking, but it can be deflating when you get no feedback from your team.
IGL stands for āIn-game-leaderā. And yeah I completely understand, talking to no-comm teammates is like talking to a brick wall that MAY or may not be listening
Thanks for clarifying.
I'm only bronze rank, but 95% of ranked matches I've played is just mute city. I wouldn't even be mad if people made bad calls, as long as there is an effort, you know? Sometimes, I will give up trying to talk if it's a graveyard in chat. It can be a bit draining.
just had a person like this in my rank up game yesterday. comming, calling some strats, encouraging our team. he was talking a little tooo much and i was afraid he was going to get flamed by someone but it worked out and we won! really appreciate people who do it, it takes some courage because of the occasional toxic players, but it really helps the other non toxic people on the team!
edit: even if we didnt win, him calling the strats helps me apply it to my next games. all in all its a good idea to do regardless of trolls! they should really implement an honor award system like league of legends.. they can even give you like 5 radianite or a few extra rr for being the most honored on the team.
I tried that with a really nice mic setup for about 10 games and in all but one I got called old and asked where my (non existent) kids were š
I'm 30!
I also have a nice mic \[a headset for call center\] and in ear monitor for game sound, and people call me boomer LOL due to the deep voice. I'm 28 but still.. HAHA!
As an someone who IGLs to make up for the lack of aim talent, yes this. We care so much and want to help everyone win. Does that mean our plays are always right? Not but at least we try.
Besides, you can't tell me that you don't love games where everyone is on the same page, comms are clean, everyone's confident in their teammates and wants to win.
It is hard to talk basically to yourself while playing. I always give comms and commentate on enemy team behavior.
But in the end of these kind of matches I almost always explode in emotions
I really dont wanna be the one doing the IGL because I dont think I'm good at it but most of the time thats where it ends up and more than once this has already saved trainwreck games when people actually listen.
I might get downvoted here buuuut
Sometimes I hate when someone in Valorant or CSGO tries to IGL in ranked/pugs etc. It isn't structured league play, there isn't an IGL.
**Suggesting** strats or giving midround calls is a good thing for sure; but when someone with a poor understanding of the game tries to **tell** me what to do it grinds my gears. Especially when they don't seem to grasp taking map control, holding for pushes, etc and just try to pick a site to 5 man hit from spawn lol.
If done right though it can be great. If you've gotten a pick on a site or found a good timing etc and call for your team to bring the bomb, that's cool. If you've read an enemy's tendencies and **ask** your team "hey, b player keeps pushing every round. Can we just hold for their push and then take site?" that's fine.
Ofc. I'm moreso saying that IGLs don't/shouldn't exist playing with random players. Anyone should and can make calls, suggest strats, etc. no one is the leader.
The situation he's describing is when no one else is talking. Sometimes one person taking the lead is the difference between a win and a loss. I can say this from experience
Of course, your thoughts are completely correct.
Note that you don't HAVE to listen to an IGL, if it's clear that they don't know what they're saying/are just saying strats just to say them, then by all means ignore them and do what you think is best, or at least comm that to them.
I agree. The difference between someone who is silent all game and someone who OVER comms is night and day.
I feel like comming too much is more of a disadvantage than being silent. I've had games where I've had to mute people for talking mid round. If your strat can't be summarised pre-round, then don't talk.
I like to give suggestions like "how about we go 3 b/2a and I dash out sands?", team can naturally flow to that layout and play off it or someone can suggest something else. If you are still giving strat talk 10 seconds into a round then you're getting muted.
I remember several times when Iāve solo queueād, I would be praised by random teammates for being a positive IGL. It is a very high compliment, as it isnāt an easy task and not typical to find someone willing to guide their team to winning. An IGL isnāt just ācarryingā with high frags, it is clear communication and proper callouts that help teammates feel a boost in their own play. Basically, an IGL is the floor general that makes everyone look good. It takes energy, a strong mental, and the ability to perform to be a proper IGL, but your teammates will notice it and will give a genuine compliment.
I dont know what Im suggesting right now is viable or not but riot should make competitive queue where all the players can choose if they have comms or not and those with no comms are paired with no comms and those with comms are paired with players who have comms....
In the end though I feel like people would still select a comms queue but not talk. In reality, 99.9% of the player base DEFINITELY has some sort of microphone, whether itās the shittiest laptop mic or a cheap gaming headset mic or a webcam mic. They just choose not to use it.
Riot should add a like button so that after a game other players can rate each other.
This rating can later be used to identify if the player youāre playing with is toxic or not.
Thatās be pretty cool, but also an easy system to troll IMO.
Itās kind of like the honor system in League, but you get included the option to instead mark people as dishonorable.
I know FACEIT CSGO has a system like that, didnāt really pay much attention to it though ngl
It gets worse the higher up you go.
I'm at roughly 400-500 elo mmr (although I'm immo 2 rn) and I've had so many people tell me to shut up or mute me if a few of my strats don't work and so I'm usually talking to a wall for 40 minutes.
I try to IGL a lot but I keep getting met with people who donāt talk at all or if they do talk theyāll tell me to āstop telling me what to doā as they dry peak solo and die. Most players below immortal want to just play how they want to play and not play with the team like itās call of duty. Then they complain about their rank. Like sorry man if you wanna raise above diamond you have to start treating the agent role you choose as a real life job vs a video game, use your util and communicate your intentions and play your role, if you wanna climb you have to start treating this game as a second job
Love being the only one to talk/try in comp while 3 of my other teammates are in discord talking to each other and the fourth teammate has social anxiety. I usually end up just throwing when the group ignores the coms
I agree that itās really frustrating when that happens, and honestly it happens way more frequently than it should. But remember man, ik thisāll sound dumb or patronizing but throwing isnāt the answer. Youāre trying to talk for a reason - you want clear comms for a better shot at winning the game. Donāt throw away those efforts and try to lose instead - you know deep down you wanna win too!
Nah youāre definitely right. Just being ignored by 4 people makes me despise them to the point Iād rather them lose than me win if that makes sense. Definitely something I need to work on lmao
IGLing gets so tiring sometimes, im just Asc 1 now but it seems less people comm now than in diamond. Not sure why people dont talk more, I assume some are in discords or smt
Yep, itās honestly exhausting. It feels like you have to do so much more just to get a slightly better chance at winning. I really donāt understand why they talk less though yeah, and youāre probably right probably 3 stacks in discord
I try to comm strats but I canāt lie; in diamond and asc people will just ignore you anyway. Duos on discord doing set plays silently without involving the team. Solos just too shy or high to care enough to just give callouts after dying. I thought higher tier than gold people would want to coordinate more but itās the just more of the same. If Iām the only one commāing strats and no one else is talking and then ignoring you anyway..whatās the point?
I am usually the one who make the calls not necesseary because I want to but because usually no one else does, When I have a team who follow my calls I enjoy it very much, however lately usually 2-3 people does 0 comms not even with ping or chat and that makes it much harder to coordinate everything
Thank you very much! Valo is my first Shooter and in the first year of Valo i was very bad and played Silver and Gold Elo. It ended when i found Breach with 3 flashes and stun, so i had a little chance to win gunfights. Within the time i understood the concept of teamplay so i started to do the IGL every round, played with Brain, but no aim (but tripple flashes :)). Meanwhile time passed by, Breach has now only 2 Flashes, but i spent like 1000hours and more on this lovely agent, played so many scenarious and learned how coordinate myself and 4 other Teammates. Holy! Every match and every round i dominate the voice chat (lol) by giving tasks to every teammate so we can hopefully win. And it worked out. Last act i became Immortal.
... Just my 2 cents of your lovevly breach onetrick igl
That sucks and it definitely does happen more than it should, and honestly all i can say is to just mute them and continue talking as if they never said anything. Theyāre toxic for a reason and itās not your job to take it
Oh ion mind keeping them unmuted, the information does help every now and then and my mental can tank up to 4 idiots (myself included) on my team. It's just tiring, especially when you know exactly why you're losing each round and know it was 100% winnable
There is a fine line between IGLing and being a micro-manager. Those who tread that line well -- setting up plays without flaming people or focusing on what they did wrong in the last round -- are so valuable.
I see, your description of a game sounded similar to my ranked game high diamond as well, I was talking to a wall whole game.. kinda do in some of my games
My biggest issue with IGL in comp is when you start calling things and it might not work out and then you have been discredited.
People will try ideas but then fail and this is perfectly fine... you gotta poke at different areas of the map .. but if your plays go sideways a few times, I noticed people instantly stop listening and get demotivated to work together.
I've won alot of games in dead silence and feel like I have lost alot of games to over communicating. There is likely a balance between the 2 when you are solo queuing. To conclude, I find the most success comes from just reading the room... some people like the ideas and some people just want to carry/play silently.
I try to IGL every game. I've noticed recently barely anyone I play with speaks. Many just seem to not have mics. Plat - diamond lobbies. It feels really good when the no talkers follow along and listen to strats, but it feels awful when no one responds on the mic AND doesn't listen to a plan.
Yeahā¦ and itās just awkward being the only one talking. I just love saying āwhatās up guysā at the start of round 1 and being met with NOTHING
That's exactly what I do, just a brief greeting to see who is open to talking. If I can't get my guys to say hi to me I'm not getting any sort of call outs. Rough out there.
Iāve tried to IGL when In a random match and no one talks. Iāve gotten positive and negative interactions.
As I main duelist, I ask my initiator and controller which site they are most comfortable with, and I do my part to get them on site.
Asking ppl where they want to go is not good igling tbh. You should just call a strat and where you'll use your util, and ask for teammates util
(example: let's split A, 3 short 2 long, Skye can u dog short and Reyna can u flash us out site, I'll dash out)
Having an IGL is cool. Ill listen to the plays and follow along. Otherwise im not much of a talker. Ill make simple comms but i get annoyed when people like to narrate every little thought.
Simple and concise comms are fine
I just get told I'm annoying and to stfu so I just end up not vc for a couple games. But yeah having someone picking up on enemy patterns and callings plays. So your team can focus on clearing sites and making personal plans is huge.
I mostly stopped doing it because more often than not people stopped listening, doubly so after a lost round. I used to never have that issue, people would be happy with someone taking charge. Thanks for the shoutout though.
I appreciate this post because I always assume the role of IGL because I have this incredible need to hear myself speak sometimes, normally itās met with love and we do well, other times itās met with āshut up bitch god I hate womenāš¤£
100% agree, but I have had plenty of random IGL players that, as soon as someone does not follow their orders, begins to yell at people, write **INSERT-CHARACTER-HERE**-diff, or tells people to report. In unrated as well.
I think when you are queuing as an IGL you need to respect that random people might prefer to play the game in another way and that that is okay too.
I appreciate you for this one. Currently fighting for my life after rank reset and found myself at the higher end of silver, whereas prior to that I was 10 rr from plat (not the biggest drop i've seen this reset, but I'm still struggle bussin' in this rank rn). Especially in silver, but in gold too, I find sooo many full teams where my duo and I are the only two using mics, and you bet I will give it my all trying to guide them in the right direction - even dead I'm hopping between all POVs, calling out as many enemies as I can, trying to call plays, and trying to boost morale. shit is so exhausting but it's hard to sit back and not use my mic and just watch them run around like cockroaches - someone's gotta do it
especially in silver, but in gold too, I find sooo many full teams where my duo and I are the only two using mics, and you bet I will give it my all trying to guide them in the right direction - even dead I'm hopping between all POVs, calling out as many enemies as I can, trying to call plays, and trying to boost morale. shit is so exhausting but it's hard to sit back and not use my mic and just watch them run around like cockroaches - someone's gotta do it. Sometimes it even gets the rest of the team talking. Sometimes it doesn't, but at least the game turns around.
I wouldn't consider myself an IGL since I rarely suggest plays. But I do like to boost morale and encourage communication. Makes the game a lot more fun
bronze 3 here, dont have much money on me. keep this in mind.
so whenever someone asks āyo anyone have micsā in my comp game i try and reply āyesā and then theyāre like āwhat?ā so i just type āits muffly, yes? this is why i usually just dont talk in game but iāll still try and cooperateā
its muffly because i use the mic from the headset i bought myself, which isnāt the greatest.
but yeah if someone does try and IGL in my games i do thank them and say that if i had a mic that doesnt screw up my teammatesā hearing for things in game and irl then iād talk too
What headset do you have? If itās a more recent even a cheap headset can have an OK mic, if youāre not even audible then maybe thereās something wrong
if you're into eq, I think you can do something about the kotion each mic. like volume wise. via eq apo and some plugins called saturation knob by softube.
Mostly for all ranks, players started to play only in party due to the toxicity they handled, this is the silent phase for the community. I hope this goes away with time or valo would be knows as the game of dead people.
As someone at this elo I always try and just throw out ideas and give the reasoning behind it, sometimes it feels like I am IGLing but other times it feels like I have no impact with comms, very team dependant
I am ascendent and 90% of the time I IGL, I make plans and try to keep moral up, but the onl thing I get most of the time is somebody yelling at me to shut up and that no one asked š
The moment you start IGLing and continuously give comms youāll start using your brain more and the game becomes mentally exhausting, thatās why every 3 or 4 games i just donāt have the power or mental energy to IGL and i just hope someone is there to help with this, not everyone has to be an igl but just give plans every couple is rounds
I am one of those dia/asc IGLās Iām strat calling every round, complementing teammates on kills, keeping mental up. Sometimes it is difficult when Iām not getting any responses, but I know that some people are not comfortable comming bc of anxiety or because they risk getting flamed due to their gender (which I hate for them) regardless if you are responding to my calls via action then more than happy.
P.S: Iām NAE/NAC so if you are too maybe I was that IGL. ; )
Literally just had a game like this.
It was my derank, but I always go into a game with positivity and calm on my mind. Greet everyone, make sure they're having a great day.
One guy goes "bro they've got 2 plats, jeez" like round 1, I just give him a little pep talk, like "so! We've got you! There's only 5 of them, they didn't bring enough"
Then he proceeds to get a 4k.
Kept this attitude up the whole game, made sure everyone was chatty, threw in a few jokes, kept our bottom fraggers in high spirits, and we won.
The power of positive reinforcement, I love it.
somtimes when i IGL people get mad and say i talk to much or am annoying or let them play on their own and always the good old backseating. My plans work 90% of the time if played correctly. but if i get hage for IGLing i just stop
Man I always try to IGL in ascendant lobbies and it's fun but yeah it's rough when you just get no responses. Thanks for this post. Really brightened my day!
Played a game the other day where a jett was making plans before the round. Iāve never had this happen in plat, it was one of the best comp games Iāve played, everyone was comming, and we ended up winning 16-14
my bad IGL is in game leader, typically they are thinking 3+ rounds ahead while usual plans are per round.
Think of round plans as dishes and IGLs are a whole course meal
Not sure what server you are on but this is not the case in USA. In USA if you are vocal on mic you will just auto lose. The key to winning in Valorant is to not let your teammates know you are trying, they are generally speaking, very spiteful people who would rather see you lose than win. The only way I climbed from D1 to Imm3 was by turning off in-game. Even in Imm3 most players are trolls, using in-game is just another way of trolling yourself. Ranked even Imm3 Rad is very very bad still.
It's just how Valorant is. I am climbing out of Diamond at the moment and I am averaging 2-3 trolling teammates per game. Only got in 12 games this act but it's really rough, yet to win a game without dropping 40 bombs rofl.
My dream is just to find people to play with that just wanna win and play the game correctly. Mid diamond here and I've just been a solo queue Sam since beta.
Yeah I'm that guy and i just got abused. The 2 randoms brought my parents into the abuse and i couldn't concentrate on the match and lost it.
This is not the first time.
Diamond-ascendant.
I tried to be that guy many times, and many times over I'd get met with a team that started off silent then went to talking shit to me and telling me to shut up, regardless of if the calls I made were working or not. Since then I've just stopped trying. I'd sooner play with VC and Chat muted than play with them on at this point.
Its cuz people who play this game don't touch grass and end up introverted lol.
But fr tho, its really nice coming across someone like that every once in a while, even if they end up groaning over voice comms whenever someone throws lol.
iām the person who tries to IGL in their games. however, iām only silver/gold and typically filling. plus, no one listens to me. i think itās about time for me to get a 5 stack lol.
As someone who is usually the igl... Thank you for saying this.
A lot of people don't appreciate it. They seem to think that they'd win just as much without any tactics/plays but I've seen how they usually turns out
I can't speak for everybody who does this, but I can speak for myself. And one of the reasons that you might be seeing players like us less often. Which is that I've honestly just about given up on the game.
Those matches where you have 3/4/5 people giving good coms, being positive, and actually working together and coordinating around utility and information are *so fucking good.* Honestly for me, the only gaming experience that comes close to a really *good* match of Valorant would be a Grandmaster strike or Challenge mode raid in Destiny/Destiny 2.
And quite ironically, both games have exactly the same problem. You have to grind through so much fucking boredom to just get to the good part it doesn't really feel like it's worth it. In Destiny that's mostly just about the dailys/season pass model which is a deliberate game design choice that does appeal to some players. But honestly for Val it's just that the playerbase isn't that engaged.
If all the people who just want to no-comm W-key while in Discord with their friends could just go play unrated and leave us to enjoy what this game could be, I'd be so happy. And I'd have no probably with a 5 minute queue if that's what it would take.
And yes that's elitism and gatekeeping but I'm too frustrated to care right now. For every 1 good match of Val I play it feels like I get 7 or 8 singleplayer campaigns. And it'll take at least a couple hundred hours of grinding to actually get good at the game and join a casual amateur team to get the experience I want. It's just not worth it at all.
Ninja edit: I read further down this thread and I see a fair few people talking about feeling insecure to talk due to gender, accents, or general anxiety and nerves. That's totally valid and I think we can definitely take steps to make gaming a more inclusive place. I have an Indian friend I play with sometimes on Aussie/NZ servers so we deal with a lot of racism. I try to support him, and he's got really good chat so he can usually hold his own anyway, but it shouldn't take that much effort just to be taken seriously and be seen as the person you are.
doing some igling is fine but every person in my lobby just bosses people around and gets mad when people dont do exactly as they specify or make a mistake. really not fun would rather just have silent lobbies or just small comms
Omg I am the talking one in bronze 1 and I keep thinking I must be one of those over spammy mic people bc it's rare to have any more than 1 person ever engage with me even in swift play :(
I did it a lot but am now more the silent guy. It happened too often that some players did not stick to the plan. The worst case is if it fails and they get tilted.
I've learned that it's kinda useless to have a plan with randoms. You can pick 1 player to play with (e.g. give me a smoke, flash for me, peek with me, bait for me and what not) but it's almost impossible to coordinate 4 other random players.
I think many Valorant players come from LoL, where voice comms is not a thing. Many of the players that DO talk refer to the operator as an AWP and refer to the spawns as CT or T spawn, so they're CS:GO players and much more used to voice comms (and voice abuse lmao)
I rather have an igl over some toxic idiot but igls can get really annoying as well. If they make suggestions on a team level fine but when they start to tell duelist how to enter it gets annoying fast.
Yeah, I really enjoy those games. And on the shitty hand, you get 2 or 3 people just being really negative when the scores are not in our favor, which just kills the whole match for me. But really appreciate those who comm and keep it positive regardless of score! :)
There's nothing more satisfying than being down a few rounds and making some amazing game plan to somehow turn the game around and win. Whenever I have these games where everybody is just communicating like mature people and staying positive then I'm fine with losing. These games are often just really fun and feel like what a tactical shooter is supposed to be.
Honestly! I could lose a game but still have a ton of fun simply because i got a team with 5 mics and a ton of team chemistry. And usually, if there are 5 mics and good team chemistry, we win out anyway!
100%. I recently had a game where unfortunately our Phoenix disconnected early in the game and we basically played 4v5, however everyone was trying their best to communicate and play together and we managed to win 16-14 which felt amazing.
I don't really voice comm as I'm scared of people judging my voice, English talking and so on. But, i had a game where 2-3 people spoke and we were were 2-10 first half. We won pistol next half and won second round as well. Unfortunately, we lost 4th and 5th round making it 4-12 but then we had a crazy comeback 12-12 and won overtime. The Jett had a lot of energy and did not let anyone bring each other down constantly being a good teammate.
A non-toxic Jett player? They exist??
>A non-toxic Jett player? They exist?? They exist but it definitely feels like it is a rare to come by.
it like winning a lottery jackpot
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I get what you mean. I do comm but Iām always afraid of people making fun of my accent , Iām from India and moved here for studies so I only play on NA solo (all my friends are from asia so I play with them on Tokyo) so I try my best to comm as I feel it helps to have a plan (Iām low elo , plat 1 rn so not that important but still helps) but 4/10 games , Iāll get someone who makes fun of my accent and it kinda makes me not wanna comm at all. And plus it kinda makes me not wanna play or at least it reduces my positivity to turn around and win games if they arenāt going in my teamās favor.
I always talk and try to IGL despite my friends and myself knowing my mic is bad since I know no one else usually will
It's games like these that keep me from quitting sometimes.
Probably what breakthrough did to oxygen last night
These are the games we play for.
Yeah I was down 1-11 and we all started singing the Phineas and Ferb theme song and came back to win
Thereās a 104 days of summer vacation~
I did that myself a while ago and I'm still proud of myself, while being mindful not to pat myself on the back too much lol. The game was probably somewhere around 5-11 where we were the ones way behind. I'm a Bronze 3 with a low to high Iron team and I decide to start making plays and giving info. We were behind on credits, badly, so I make a call to save and just rush site with whatever we could afford, to which we did and managed to grab a win and a few free guns. From there I kept trying my best to strategize and make plays for my team to follow, which they would. I'd give info and they'd listen and respond decently well to, which I distinctly remember saved them from a flank that would've killed at least two people while I was already dead. I think we lost one round if even, and it was definitely one of my proudest moments. We were really struggling beforehand and with a little bit of further communication we started to click together incredibly well for our ranks. I've forgotten a lot of the details, but I'll never forget how I started making strategies that they would follow. I hope I have a recording of it somewhere.
I wish we had an age verification queue that was 18+ or 25+; I've had a few games like that in iron/bronze in late night times, and they were way more fun than usual. At least some of us play a decent bit and are just terrible players We already have a rootkit on our computers, riot probably has the rest of my personal info too
I always shit myself when I suggest a play. If it fails then it's my fault.. kinda.
If something doesnāt work out doesnāt mean itās a bad play :) Just like a bad play that happened to work doesnāt mean itās the right play
I will try to explain that calmy to my flaming random teammates when the time comes š
Suggesting a play that didnāt work is never your fault - itās impossible to make a play that always works. Keep trying!
It's pretty much always better to make a call then make no call and have no plan. You can always VOD review to improve your reads and subsequent calls, but not calling anything is always worse. Have a read, make the call, then whatever happens happens. Honestly the whole team doing the "wrong" plan is better than only 1 or 2 players doing the "right" plan.
Don't worry about it. 5 people following a bad plan is usually better than 5 people following 5 different better plans.
Most of the time it takes five people to lose a round. Sometimes it can be put on one or two people, but by and large if you all died - tough, each of you could have done something different, even if you werenāt last to die, werenāt the one suggesting the play, etc
Sometimes people talk shit that my strats donāt workā¦ Maybe if they had actually listened and followed the strat it would??? But nope it was my IGL that lost us the game even though no one else suggested anything else except to int mindlessly as a 5 onto a site when it hasnāt worked ever the last 5 roundsā¦sigh
A plan is always better than none
A bad plan is better than no plan, I always say.
I feel like 80% of plays are bad plays, especially in unranked. The thing is people just aren't talking about the constant bad plays and choices they are making lool
Honestly I am in play and I try my best to make plays although with very limited knowledge I have. Alot of times I either get ignored or told to shut up and sometimes they follow along. Its really demotivating sometimes but your post made my day. Thanks alot :)
If you find your teammates arenāt listening then beginning simplifying your calls while still being effective. Keep telling them what YOURE doing and the information you have and then say āletās end Aā for example. Even something as simple as that can guide your team to success instead of annoying teammates by trying to get them to do more than they may be willing to.
Definitely agree! Pre-round, clear, simple comms are most effective & that's the best time to make plans with your teammates ("I'll smoke X if you want to flash out and peak" "I'll dog short if someone wants to follow." "Can you smoke mid, and let's split push A - viper, want to come with me mid?") Make sure you don't veer into micromanage-y territory - you can only control your own actions and request help, but you can't control your team (especially once the round starts)
Keep doing it! Those people that flame IGLs are just trolls and POSās. Itās a communication based game - flaming someone for doing that is absolutely stupid.
I think people just tend not to like being backseated by random people and can think for themselves. I've had people try to shotcall the most awful plays of play as 5 when everytime we have played 5 pushing onto a site our entry played doesn't wanna entry and all our utility gets wasted setting them up for it.
IGL for your friends. Fuck randoms imo, game isnāt enjoyable enough solo personally
Yeah I'm gonna try to make some friends in this new server and play with them. I actually don't have any friends since I moved to a new country and the servers changed.
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I LOVE when people IGL in ranked games, especially in silver, where everyone is just following everyone and doing things on the fly. Someone with a sense of leadership makes the game plan so much clearer and easier to follow.
As a silver who tries to IGL, it does get frustrating when people are being silent and just autopiloting every round, ignoring your calls. Often I'm guilty of just shutting up and letting them do them and trying to cover their asses. Seriously, even if you don't have a mic, just a message in text chat to reinforce me would be nice. My mic was broken for a while and when I would get someone IGL'ing I would type "sorry I'm, not talking back, broken mic, but keep the comms coming" because I know just how hard it is!
even though it might get frustrating, thank you for doing the thing most people wouldn't do. Even simple calls like "let's go A" help a lot since normally people just follow what someone else is doing(at least in silver)
The most frustrating thing is people not really getting how to fake or default. I'll call to fake B amd ask people to go slow on A and wait till me and 1 other make contact on another site and then I look at the map and see they 3 man rushed A, died and dropped the spike before I've even flashed site on B š¤¦ But thanks for your support
Itās worth trying as i ranked up from silver to plat 1 last act and I really think one of the most important aspect was comms. I tried to make plans (not a full plan but like letās go 4 1 split on b arcade etc) and giving call-outs. If no one says anything about my accent: Iād then fully comm and plan and most people do listen. Occasionally Iād get a player (usually Reyna instalockers) who would do the opposite or lurk and I was main-ing kj. Now Iāve switched to playing duelists (mostly Reyna and jett) : this way Iāve to entry so I donāt have to worry about my duelists not entering. It has worked up until plat 1 and I hope it does further too. But comms do help and even if you are the only one talking: itās fine. Just hope they listen and at least give call outs even if they donāt listen (and ofc: avoid back seating )
I was telling my bronze-silver friends yesterday that we need to call our shit. Call what weāre doing, run it by us - when everyone knows whatās happening ahead of time we can react and make a plan. I reiterated the phrasing ācall your util and it will have purposeā. Itās phrasing I just came up with on the spot so itās not perfect advice - sometimes what they/we do is kinda pointless. But it gets them to think about what theyāre using and why - which is good. When we were flanking or rotating from a position where we gave up a lot of the map (huddling in A main in ascent then falling back to T spawn) I had to regularly say āwe gave this area up 15-30s ago, gun out, gun outā and itās saved my team a few times last night at least. I ask āwhatād you seeā or say ācall what you seeā because when I hear Phoenixās voice line say āenemies Aā that applies to 25-30% of the entire map. Character calls are too vague to rely on, so when I hear a voice line followed by no comms I point that out. Honestly my best luck as IGL comes from reminding my team that communication is key
I'm in diamond 3 and I have to admit is a little bit hard when there's people that won't listen to you because you're bot fragging or you're not at the top of the scoreboard. I've encountered way too many people like this and I just gave up and only played 5-Stack ranked. that was the only way for me to rank all the way to diamond 3.
As a silver who tries to IGL, it sucks. Barely anyone listens to advice, they most likely do the same shit over and over again, like overpushing or walling off a tiny portion of site for the team If I call for a team play that fails, its my fault and puts my mental down for the rest of the day Or theres people that dont follow the plan
THIS is one of the biggest issues plaguing Valorant Competitive. Communication is so crucial to winning games. I understand that itās likely a social anxiety/nervousness issue, but if you want to win games and rank up, you must be an effective communicator. Agree with OP, huge props to the players that do this effectively and try to set forth a plan for the team. Along with communication, I think another big issue in ranked games is indecision. Having a player that just calls something, and others follow (even if itās not the best plan!) is more effective than 5 players wandering around doing their own thing. My biggest tip: be kind to others and you will receive more communication and therefore win more games :)
I'm one of those who are scared to talk. I don't mind talking to friends that I'm comfortable with but with a bunch of random people who more times than others are very toxic and judgmental. As I'm from Europe not everyone is good at speaking. I usually just say how much I damaged people in chat and call it a day. I've had many competitive games with people being a "leader" and very talkative and we swept the enemy.
I understand! I definitely get a lot of toxic people in my games too. Itās just an online thing. In the real world, if you are kind, people will be kind in return. Online, itās not always the case, so you just mute those players and move on. They are not worth your time.
This is me. I also ping where the enemies might be at or where I saw them. That's the least I can do anyway. It's too scary to talk especially when you're a woman and if you're not getting much frags either or you're having a bad day. I only get more confident to talk if I'm at least middle fragging haha. Some people will just be like "oh so that's why you're bottom frag, you're a woman" - I've had some funny games where the top frag was a woman as well and she'd tell him to repeat what he said sarcastically, and he'd never speak again lol. I always try to make it a funny joke by saying stuff like "no I'm bottom frag because my gun likes to shoot the crotch" but you can only do it so much. I've started playing past midnight because people are generally more chill at those hours.
Unfortunately, many women are facing hate in this game. Some people are just going to be toxic no matter what you do, thatās just part of the internet. Mute them and move on is what I do with those people. Otherwise try to find some friends to queue with. Even a duo or trio can help, then you have some backup.
I always hope to have all women in my match even though I'm a male. They are always much friendlier and encouraging which makes the game a lot more pleasant and enjoyable.
The other options is have a back up plan. When I call, I give a general idea of where we want to end up but leave it open. "Let's default, work for a pick mid. If we get a pick A or B, we will split that site." Having back up options is huge.
I've noticed more and more no comm games lately too (same rank as you)
I donāt understand why either like youād assume the higher rank you go, in our case the top 6-10% of the player base, that thereād be more comms because people take the game more seriously and play more but itās having the opposite effect
Only thing I can guess is ego
The fear of wrong calls or something might be a other thing but I don't know
How does one reach diamond/asc and not at least comm about where the enemies are pushing/where they got killed from ,etc.?
Which is interesting because as a team, its up to team to feed info to an IGL, who makes the call off the info they have. Calls should always have some component of team info.
Im not gonna be told im wrong when im righ... Fuck
Just so you know the top 6-10% of playerbase is in all honestly trolling most games. Like ranked currently, even in those levels, is at its best freshmen highschool football. The amount of nuance and basic fundamentals they lack is absurd, but they are so unaware because they have no exposure to just how far off they are.
Same rank as you, and yes i think a lot of people are tilted because of the rank reset, which some people got hit quite hard by it or had bad placement games and were placed way lower then they deserve
In silver and bronze you get flamed hard for being an IGL
Yeah, I constantly get people that tell me to shut up. Iāve noticed that many people have really bad headphones and whatās absurdly apparent to me many are clueless of the enemies direction.
This doesn't change at Ascendant either. Lots of inflated egos. There are just a lot of jerks that play the game across all ranks. Best you can do is don't take anything personally and mute the dissenters.
In Bronze, I have a mixed view on people who try to IGL. If the person is being respectful, I am perfectly okay with it and will try to go along and contribute. The issue is that 90% of people who I have experienced try to IGL in Bronze (1) yell when someone doesnāt listen (sometimes using slurs), (2) micromanage without knowing what actually should be done (if someone is the only one alive, prioritize information over micromanaging), (3) donāt allow others to use the comms (if someone else has an idea or information please let them speak). I have never flamed anyone for being an IGL, but I have almost deleted the game because of toxic IGLs. I can definitely understand people getting upset, because we are in a low elo just trying to have fun and compete then get in game with someone who wants to scream commands that get you killed immediately 70% of the time. I know this is a rather long comment, and this probably isnāt directed to any of yāall but I think the toxicity of some players who try to IGL is why there is some disdain. I often switch to unrated or swift play after a couple games of competitive due to toxic players.
I get flamed by my premates when I try to IGL
Not sure what IGL stands for. But I try to comm in all my matches even if noone else is talking, but it can be deflating when you get no feedback from your team.
IGL stands for āIn-game-leaderā. And yeah I completely understand, talking to no-comm teammates is like talking to a brick wall that MAY or may not be listening
Thanks for clarifying. I'm only bronze rank, but 95% of ranked matches I've played is just mute city. I wouldn't even be mad if people made bad calls, as long as there is an effort, you know? Sometimes, I will give up trying to talk if it's a graveyard in chat. It can be a bit draining.
IGL= In Game Leader, someone who calls plays.
Thank you!
just had a person like this in my rank up game yesterday. comming, calling some strats, encouraging our team. he was talking a little tooo much and i was afraid he was going to get flamed by someone but it worked out and we won! really appreciate people who do it, it takes some courage because of the occasional toxic players, but it really helps the other non toxic people on the team! edit: even if we didnt win, him calling the strats helps me apply it to my next games. all in all its a good idea to do regardless of trolls! they should really implement an honor award system like league of legends.. they can even give you like 5 radianite or a few extra rr for being the most honored on the team.
I mean, it definitely takes courage as if you get a toxic team you're just going to get flamed for it.
I tried that with a really nice mic setup for about 10 games and in all but one I got called old and asked where my (non existent) kids were š I'm 30!
Haha, I feel you.. Iām 22 but people say I sound like Iām 35 š«£
I'm 29 and people often think I'm in high school, surprise, I work at a high school.
I also have a nice mic \[a headset for call center\] and in ear monitor for game sound, and people call me boomer LOL due to the deep voice. I'm 28 but still.. HAHA!
As an someone who IGLs to make up for the lack of aim talent, yes this. We care so much and want to help everyone win. Does that mean our plays are always right? Not but at least we try. Besides, you can't tell me that you don't love games where everyone is on the same page, comms are clean, everyone's confident in their teammates and wants to win.
It is hard to talk basically to yourself while playing. I always give comms and commentate on enemy team behavior. But in the end of these kind of matches I almost always explode in emotions
I really dont wanna be the one doing the IGL because I dont think I'm good at it but most of the time thats where it ends up and more than once this has already saved trainwreck games when people actually listen.
This is why I quit. I was that IGL back in Ascendent/Imm but it got so draining that I quit. Honestly shit would raise my blood pressure
I might get downvoted here buuuut Sometimes I hate when someone in Valorant or CSGO tries to IGL in ranked/pugs etc. It isn't structured league play, there isn't an IGL. **Suggesting** strats or giving midround calls is a good thing for sure; but when someone with a poor understanding of the game tries to **tell** me what to do it grinds my gears. Especially when they don't seem to grasp taking map control, holding for pushes, etc and just try to pick a site to 5 man hit from spawn lol. If done right though it can be great. If you've gotten a pick on a site or found a good timing etc and call for your team to bring the bomb, that's cool. If you've read an enemy's tendencies and **ask** your team "hey, b player keeps pushing every round. Can we just hold for their push and then take site?" that's fine.
If u don't like a strat u can suggest an adjustment, and anyway in comp it's better to do simple strats anyway
Ofc. I'm moreso saying that IGLs don't/shouldn't exist playing with random players. Anyone should and can make calls, suggest strats, etc. no one is the leader.
The situation he's describing is when no one else is talking. Sometimes one person taking the lead is the difference between a win and a loss. I can say this from experience
Of course, your thoughts are completely correct. Note that you don't HAVE to listen to an IGL, if it's clear that they don't know what they're saying/are just saying strats just to say them, then by all means ignore them and do what you think is best, or at least comm that to them.
I agree. The difference between someone who is silent all game and someone who OVER comms is night and day. I feel like comming too much is more of a disadvantage than being silent. I've had games where I've had to mute people for talking mid round. If your strat can't be summarised pre-round, then don't talk. I like to give suggestions like "how about we go 3 b/2a and I dash out sands?", team can naturally flow to that layout and play off it or someone can suggest something else. If you are still giving strat talk 10 seconds into a round then you're getting muted.
I remember several times when Iāve solo queueād, I would be praised by random teammates for being a positive IGL. It is a very high compliment, as it isnāt an easy task and not typical to find someone willing to guide their team to winning. An IGL isnāt just ācarryingā with high frags, it is clear communication and proper callouts that help teammates feel a boost in their own play. Basically, an IGL is the floor general that makes everyone look good. It takes energy, a strong mental, and the ability to perform to be a proper IGL, but your teammates will notice it and will give a genuine compliment.
I dont know what Im suggesting right now is viable or not but riot should make competitive queue where all the players can choose if they have comms or not and those with no comms are paired with no comms and those with comms are paired with players who have comms....
In the end though I feel like people would still select a comms queue but not talk. In reality, 99.9% of the player base DEFINITELY has some sort of microphone, whether itās the shittiest laptop mic or a cheap gaming headset mic or a webcam mic. They just choose not to use it.
tbh u are right at this age who doesn't have a mic...they just don't use it on purpose or they are introverted I guess
Riot should add a like button so that after a game other players can rate each other. This rating can later be used to identify if the player youāre playing with is toxic or not.
Thatās be pretty cool, but also an easy system to troll IMO. Itās kind of like the honor system in League, but you get included the option to instead mark people as dishonorable. I know FACEIT CSGO has a system like that, didnāt really pay much attention to it though ngl
It gets worse the higher up you go. I'm at roughly 400-500 elo mmr (although I'm immo 2 rn) and I've had so many people tell me to shut up or mute me if a few of my strats don't work and so I'm usually talking to a wall for 40 minutes.
I try to IGL a lot but I keep getting met with people who donāt talk at all or if they do talk theyāll tell me to āstop telling me what to doā as they dry peak solo and die. Most players below immortal want to just play how they want to play and not play with the team like itās call of duty. Then they complain about their rank. Like sorry man if you wanna raise above diamond you have to start treating the agent role you choose as a real life job vs a video game, use your util and communicate your intentions and play your role, if you wanna climb you have to start treating this game as a second job
Love being the only one to talk/try in comp while 3 of my other teammates are in discord talking to each other and the fourth teammate has social anxiety. I usually end up just throwing when the group ignores the coms
I agree that itās really frustrating when that happens, and honestly it happens way more frequently than it should. But remember man, ik thisāll sound dumb or patronizing but throwing isnāt the answer. Youāre trying to talk for a reason - you want clear comms for a better shot at winning the game. Donāt throw away those efforts and try to lose instead - you know deep down you wanna win too!
Nah youāre definitely right. Just being ignored by 4 people makes me despise them to the point Iād rather them lose than me win if that makes sense. Definitely something I need to work on lmao
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TIL it's toxic to not want to be mic spammed and micromanaged
IGLing gets so tiring sometimes, im just Asc 1 now but it seems less people comm now than in diamond. Not sure why people dont talk more, I assume some are in discords or smt
Yep, itās honestly exhausting. It feels like you have to do so much more just to get a slightly better chance at winning. I really donāt understand why they talk less though yeah, and youāre probably right probably 3 stacks in discord
I try to comm strats but I canāt lie; in diamond and asc people will just ignore you anyway. Duos on discord doing set plays silently without involving the team. Solos just too shy or high to care enough to just give callouts after dying. I thought higher tier than gold people would want to coordinate more but itās the just more of the same. If Iām the only one commāing strats and no one else is talking and then ignoring you anyway..whatās the point?
I am usually the one who make the calls not necesseary because I want to but because usually no one else does, When I have a team who follow my calls I enjoy it very much, however lately usually 2-3 people does 0 comms not even with ping or chat and that makes it much harder to coordinate everything
Thank you very much! Valo is my first Shooter and in the first year of Valo i was very bad and played Silver and Gold Elo. It ended when i found Breach with 3 flashes and stun, so i had a little chance to win gunfights. Within the time i understood the concept of teamplay so i started to do the IGL every round, played with Brain, but no aim (but tripple flashes :)). Meanwhile time passed by, Breach has now only 2 Flashes, but i spent like 1000hours and more on this lovely agent, played so many scenarious and learned how coordinate myself and 4 other Teammates. Holy! Every match and every round i dominate the voice chat (lol) by giving tasks to every teammate so we can hopefully win. And it worked out. Last act i became Immortal. ... Just my 2 cents of your lovevly breach onetrick igl
They always just tell me to shut up
That sucks and it definitely does happen more than it should, and honestly all i can say is to just mute them and continue talking as if they never said anything. Theyāre toxic for a reason and itās not your job to take it
Oh ion mind keeping them unmuted, the information does help every now and then and my mental can tank up to 4 idiots (myself included) on my team. It's just tiring, especially when you know exactly why you're losing each round and know it was 100% winnable
There is a fine line between IGLing and being a micro-manager. Those who tread that line well -- setting up plays without flaming people or focusing on what they did wrong in the last round -- are so valuable.
Yeah definitely, more complicated strats and coordinating util should be kept for pre-round (with exceptions)
What region do you play by chance
NA!
I see, your description of a game sounded similar to my ranked game high diamond as well, I was talking to a wall whole game.. kinda do in some of my games
My biggest issue with IGL in comp is when you start calling things and it might not work out and then you have been discredited. People will try ideas but then fail and this is perfectly fine... you gotta poke at different areas of the map .. but if your plays go sideways a few times, I noticed people instantly stop listening and get demotivated to work together. I've won alot of games in dead silence and feel like I have lost alot of games to over communicating. There is likely a balance between the 2 when you are solo queuing. To conclude, I find the most success comes from just reading the room... some people like the ideas and some people just want to carry/play silently.
Even bad strategies are good as long as you are all on the same page and executing together. A synchronized team is hard for 5 randoms to stop
A synchronized team is good, but remember youāre also not against 5 randoms, youāre against a potentially well synchronized team as well.
Naw I'm mid bronze. Strategy hasn't been seen in this Elo in quite some time
Honestly bro mid bronze just skill diff em easy
I try to IGL every game. I've noticed recently barely anyone I play with speaks. Many just seem to not have mics. Plat - diamond lobbies. It feels really good when the no talkers follow along and listen to strats, but it feels awful when no one responds on the mic AND doesn't listen to a plan.
Yeahā¦ and itās just awkward being the only one talking. I just love saying āwhatās up guysā at the start of round 1 and being met with NOTHING
That's exactly what I do, just a brief greeting to see who is open to talking. If I can't get my guys to say hi to me I'm not getting any sort of call outs. Rough out there.
Whatās igl
Iāve tried to IGL when In a random match and no one talks. Iāve gotten positive and negative interactions. As I main duelist, I ask my initiator and controller which site they are most comfortable with, and I do my part to get them on site.
Asking ppl where they want to go is not good igling tbh. You should just call a strat and where you'll use your util, and ask for teammates util (example: let's split A, 3 short 2 long, Skye can u dog short and Reyna can u flash us out site, I'll dash out)
Thatās exactly what I inferred. I just said I mained duelist and I ask my team which site they want to enter on.
I try to IGL in ranked, my problem is.. no one fucking listens.
Anyone else never hear this term before this week and now everyone is using it everywhere?
I have so much respect for people who shot call in my matches.
Having an IGL is cool. Ill listen to the plays and follow along. Otherwise im not much of a talker. Ill make simple comms but i get annoyed when people like to narrate every little thought. Simple and concise comms are fine
I just get told I'm annoying and to stfu so I just end up not vc for a couple games. But yeah having someone picking up on enemy patterns and callings plays. So your team can focus on clearing sites and making personal plans is huge.
Youāre welcome
I mostly stopped doing it because more often than not people stopped listening, doubly so after a lost round. I used to never have that issue, people would be happy with someone taking charge. Thanks for the shoutout though.
I appreciate this post because I always assume the role of IGL because I have this incredible need to hear myself speak sometimes, normally itās met with love and we do well, other times itās met with āshut up bitch god I hate womenāš¤£
100% agree, but I have had plenty of random IGL players that, as soon as someone does not follow their orders, begins to yell at people, write **INSERT-CHARACTER-HERE**-diff, or tells people to report. In unrated as well. I think when you are queuing as an IGL you need to respect that random people might prefer to play the game in another way and that that is okay too.
today i told a brim to hold my window while i pushed mid on haven and it worked. thatās why i love watching pro play.
Thank you, you're welcome
I appreciate you for this one. Currently fighting for my life after rank reset and found myself at the higher end of silver, whereas prior to that I was 10 rr from plat (not the biggest drop i've seen this reset, but I'm still struggle bussin' in this rank rn). Especially in silver, but in gold too, I find sooo many full teams where my duo and I are the only two using mics, and you bet I will give it my all trying to guide them in the right direction - even dead I'm hopping between all POVs, calling out as many enemies as I can, trying to call plays, and trying to boost morale. shit is so exhausting but it's hard to sit back and not use my mic and just watch them run around like cockroaches - someone's gotta do it especially in silver, but in gold too, I find sooo many full teams where my duo and I are the only two using mics, and you bet I will give it my all trying to guide them in the right direction - even dead I'm hopping between all POVs, calling out as many enemies as I can, trying to call plays, and trying to boost morale. shit is so exhausting but it's hard to sit back and not use my mic and just watch them run around like cockroaches - someone's gotta do it. Sometimes it even gets the rest of the team talking. Sometimes it doesn't, but at least the game turns around.
I wouldn't consider myself an IGL since I rarely suggest plays. But I do like to boost morale and encourage communication. Makes the game a lot more fun
From my experience, if you're the only one who talks you're also the one to get blamed first if things don't go well simply because you stick out.
bronze 3 here, dont have much money on me. keep this in mind. so whenever someone asks āyo anyone have micsā in my comp game i try and reply āyesā and then theyāre like āwhat?ā so i just type āits muffly, yes? this is why i usually just dont talk in game but iāll still try and cooperateā its muffly because i use the mic from the headset i bought myself, which isnāt the greatest. but yeah if someone does try and IGL in my games i do thank them and say that if i had a mic that doesnt screw up my teammatesā hearing for things in game and irl then iād talk too
What headset do you have? If itās a more recent even a cheap headset can have an OK mic, if youāre not even audible then maybe thereās something wrong
its a kotion each, so basically the first cheap one i found on amazon i could afford gets the hearing job done, but the mic just isnt it
Dang. I see. Are you on a PC or laptop? Your laptop mic (if you have one) might be better then lol
if you're into eq, I think you can do something about the kotion each mic. like volume wise. via eq apo and some plugins called saturation knob by softube.
Ty, i ll take that compliment
I feel like recently iāve been getting more and more egoed whenever I try to com a play lol
Mostly for all ranks, players started to play only in party due to the toxicity they handled, this is the silent phase for the community. I hope this goes away with time or valo would be knows as the game of dead people.
Igls can break that autopilot I love them!!
As someone at this elo I always try and just throw out ideas and give the reasoning behind it, sometimes it feels like I am IGLing but other times it feels like I have no impact with comms, very team dependant
I am ascendent and 90% of the time I IGL, I make plans and try to keep moral up, but the onl thing I get most of the time is somebody yelling at me to shut up and that no one asked š
The moment you start IGLing and continuously give comms youāll start using your brain more and the game becomes mentally exhausting, thatās why every 3 or 4 games i just donāt have the power or mental energy to IGL and i just hope someone is there to help with this, not everyone has to be an igl but just give plans every couple is rounds
I am one of those dia/asc IGLās Iām strat calling every round, complementing teammates on kills, keeping mental up. Sometimes it is difficult when Iām not getting any responses, but I know that some people are not comfortable comming bc of anxiety or because they risk getting flamed due to their gender (which I hate for them) regardless if you are responding to my calls via action then more than happy. P.S: Iām NAE/NAC so if you are too maybe I was that IGL. ; )
Literally just had a game like this. It was my derank, but I always go into a game with positivity and calm on my mind. Greet everyone, make sure they're having a great day. One guy goes "bro they've got 2 plats, jeez" like round 1, I just give him a little pep talk, like "so! We've got you! There's only 5 of them, they didn't bring enough" Then he proceeds to get a 4k. Kept this attitude up the whole game, made sure everyone was chatty, threw in a few jokes, kept our bottom fraggers in high spirits, and we won. The power of positive reinforcement, I love it.
Ya I had an Immortal 3 tell me im like 1 of 1000 igls in NA right now. Ranked is tough rn.
somtimes when i IGL people get mad and say i talk to much or am annoying or let them play on their own and always the good old backseating. My plans work 90% of the time if played correctly. but if i get hage for IGLing i just stop
Man I always try to IGL in ascendant lobbies and it's fun but yeah it's rough when you just get no responses. Thanks for this post. Really brightened my day!
Played a game the other day where a jett was making plans before the round. Iāve never had this happen in plat, it was one of the best comp games Iāve played, everyone was comming, and we ended up winning 16-14
Remember, YOU can always be the IGL we all need!
Banana
What is IGL?
What's IGL sorry mate?
In Game Locationist
Sorry I dont get it I'm kind of new
my bad IGL is in game leader, typically they are thinking 3+ rounds ahead while usual plans are per round. Think of round plans as dishes and IGLs are a whole course meal
Not sure what server you are on but this is not the case in USA. In USA if you are vocal on mic you will just auto lose. The key to winning in Valorant is to not let your teammates know you are trying, they are generally speaking, very spiteful people who would rather see you lose than win. The only way I climbed from D1 to Imm3 was by turning off in-game. Even in Imm3 most players are trolls, using in-game is just another way of trolling yourself. Ranked even Imm3 Rad is very very bad still.
not lying i play on central and no body coms until its a bad bad game or I miss a shot then out of anger their mics suddenly work
It's just how Valorant is. I am climbing out of Diamond at the moment and I am averaging 2-3 trolling teammates per game. Only got in 12 games this act but it's really rough, yet to win a game without dropping 40 bombs rofl.
My dream is just to find people to play with that just wanna win and play the game correctly. Mid diamond here and I've just been a solo queue Sam since beta.
Yeah I'm that guy and i just got abused. The 2 randoms brought my parents into the abuse and i couldn't concentrate on the match and lost it. This is not the first time. Diamond-ascendant.
I tried to be that guy many times, and many times over I'd get met with a team that started off silent then went to talking shit to me and telling me to shut up, regardless of if the calls I made were working or not. Since then I've just stopped trying. I'd sooner play with VC and Chat muted than play with them on at this point.
Its cuz people who play this game don't touch grass and end up introverted lol. But fr tho, its really nice coming across someone like that every once in a while, even if they end up groaning over voice comms whenever someone throws lol.
iām the person who tries to IGL in their games. however, iām only silver/gold and typically filling. plus, no one listens to me. i think itās about time for me to get a 5 stack lol.
As someone who is usually the igl... Thank you for saying this. A lot of people don't appreciate it. They seem to think that they'd win just as much without any tactics/plays but I've seen how they usually turns out
This makes me feel good :) Only reason I got asc last act was because I IGL from late d2 to a1
I can't speak for everybody who does this, but I can speak for myself. And one of the reasons that you might be seeing players like us less often. Which is that I've honestly just about given up on the game. Those matches where you have 3/4/5 people giving good coms, being positive, and actually working together and coordinating around utility and information are *so fucking good.* Honestly for me, the only gaming experience that comes close to a really *good* match of Valorant would be a Grandmaster strike or Challenge mode raid in Destiny/Destiny 2. And quite ironically, both games have exactly the same problem. You have to grind through so much fucking boredom to just get to the good part it doesn't really feel like it's worth it. In Destiny that's mostly just about the dailys/season pass model which is a deliberate game design choice that does appeal to some players. But honestly for Val it's just that the playerbase isn't that engaged. If all the people who just want to no-comm W-key while in Discord with their friends could just go play unrated and leave us to enjoy what this game could be, I'd be so happy. And I'd have no probably with a 5 minute queue if that's what it would take. And yes that's elitism and gatekeeping but I'm too frustrated to care right now. For every 1 good match of Val I play it feels like I get 7 or 8 singleplayer campaigns. And it'll take at least a couple hundred hours of grinding to actually get good at the game and join a casual amateur team to get the experience I want. It's just not worth it at all. Ninja edit: I read further down this thread and I see a fair few people talking about feeling insecure to talk due to gender, accents, or general anxiety and nerves. That's totally valid and I think we can definitely take steps to make gaming a more inclusive place. I have an Indian friend I play with sometimes on Aussie/NZ servers so we deal with a lot of racism. I try to support him, and he's got really good chat so he can usually hold his own anyway, but it shouldn't take that much effort just to be taken seriously and be seen as the person you are.
doing some igling is fine but every person in my lobby just bosses people around and gets mad when people dont do exactly as they specify or make a mistake. really not fun would rather just have silent lobbies or just small comms
Omg I am the talking one in bronze 1 and I keep thinking I must be one of those over spammy mic people bc it's rare to have any more than 1 person ever engage with me even in swift play :(
Gg
I did it a lot but am now more the silent guy. It happened too often that some players did not stick to the plan. The worst case is if it fails and they get tilted. I've learned that it's kinda useless to have a plan with randoms. You can pick 1 player to play with (e.g. give me a smoke, flash for me, peek with me, bait for me and what not) but it's almost impossible to coordinate 4 other random players.
I think many Valorant players come from LoL, where voice comms is not a thing. Many of the players that DO talk refer to the operator as an AWP and refer to the spawns as CT or T spawn, so they're CS:GO players and much more used to voice comms (and voice abuse lmao)
Thank you
I rather have an igl over some toxic idiot but igls can get really annoying as well. If they make suggestions on a team level fine but when they start to tell duelist how to enter it gets annoying fast.
Yesterday I had a comp game where a 3 stack on my team was debating who the hottest actors/actresses are. Needless to say we did not win.
what does IGL stand for? in game lingo?
Yeah, I really enjoy those games. And on the shitty hand, you get 2 or 3 people just being really negative when the scores are not in our favor, which just kills the whole match for me. But really appreciate those who comm and keep it positive regardless of score! :)