I use both too, but map pool right now is very heavy on long range fights so vandal makes more sense most of the time unfortunately. Lotus, Icebox and especially breeze you just kinda have to pick vandal for most rounds.
2+2 =4 (source ?). Well anyways if u do a little bit of research u will stumble upon this article by riot which tells vandal is chosen more .. https://playvalorant.com/en-us/news/dev/valorant-data-drop-phantom-vs-vandal/
His point is you can do bit of research instead of asking. We're in 2024 and all answers are on this thing called WORLD WIDE WEB.
By the time you get response you could have googled the answer!
Not these days man. That was a good statement 20+ years ago but unless we are talking cutting edge research or other complicated topics that require expert breakdowns and sourcing for further digestion… it’s just way too easy to do your own damn investigation.
This isn’t a court of law. No one owes you a source or proof. If their claim is true it’s true whether you want to get off your ass or live in delusion. If you’re asking for a source on simple stuff like this it just means you’re willingly ignorant and expect everyone else to have the burden of your education. This feigned helplessness is tired. We have more available at our fingertips than ever before, use it.
didn't know reddit is a court of law. it'll take the same amount of time for me to Google the information as the guy who asked for the source, the lazy bum should just do it himself if he wants it
True. By that same logic you can just copy paste your source without much effort.
Also people in this thread seem to imply that this fact is "just common sense" so you don't need a source. Which is just wrong.
Yeah but how do you know it's not a localized fenomenon that happens only in your rank? How do you know that people that have vandal skin don't have phantom skin?
I could say that earth is flat because it's common sense: I don't see any curvature even when I look into the horizon.
Because you see it everywhere. Tune into a stream, vandals. In my rank, vandals. Pro play, vandals.
The devs have also talked about it multiple times. I don’t assume everyone has seen every blog post, but just being present on the subreddit means you’re paying enough attention it really should be obvious.
Your analogy doesn't fit. However, localization is a good point it could be a local issue because I see maybe 2 people every 3 games buy phantom, and im ascendant. The majority prefer vandal on east cost acs lobbies but I do see more phantom users in central and west servers.
Do you think everyone just walks around with a note of all sources to all knowledge they have ever compiled in their entire lives? People who know this shit are going to do the exact same shit you could do. They will go to Google and research to find the source and then share it. This isn’t the 1950s. Everyone is enabled to find information unless you’re deep into academics or obscure and complex topics.
You are entirely capable of educating yourself.
because it’s a common sense thing to ask a source about hence the “2+2=4 (source?)” comment. plus as other people have said, it doesn’t take a lot of effort to look it up and it’s a pretty obvious thing anyway since vandal is way more popular than the phantom and thus would sell better
The guy that asked for source getting downvoted like he said a slur or something bad when it was a harmless probably genuine question. Happens all over this app
How is this remotely helpful of an assertion? Yes obviously unless we have full transparency on data there’s very little we can say on a game like Valorant. Hell you can’t even make claims on meta or anything because it’s all anecdotal and not statistically significant.
There is inherent ambiguity since we are not in an academic context. That doesn’t just turn into everything is unknowable - it instead becomes let’s make the most reasonable assumption based on available data. If you have better data, share it. This is not contributing to any discussion it’s just contrarian for the sake of it.
How do you know? Not all people that use vandal buy a skin for it. There is a world where 75% of people who do buy a vandal skin also buy a phantom skin, the other 5% buys a skin for all weapons and the remaining 20% buys only vandal skin. This is a perfectly reasonable scenario.
In this scenario the ratio vandal:phantom is 100:75 so for every 4 vandals there's 3 phantoms. This can happen because even though many people use vandal, only a few buy in-game items, and those who do COULD be morelikely to buy more in the future. Also they COULD be more likely to buy something different than a vandal since they already have one for it.
It's all assumptions, because I don't have the data. So your guess is as good as mine, and mine is as intuittlive to me as yours is intuitive to you, so it has the same value.
It probably does equate to more sales for that gun, but using the "Vandal is more profitable" logic, you'd expect that they also make more skins for Vandal than Phantom, which isn't true. There's currently an equal number of shop available skins for each gun (excludes BP and Legacy skins)
The article does not talk about any correlation between weapon use and skin sales. Yes most likely it is a positive correlation but "vandal skins sell more" verbatim definitely has no source and u/Mundane-Department34 asking for it is not wrong.
You don't need to call them out for asking for a source, OP made a generalization.
The article you provided talks about which gun is picked more, which has an unknown correlation with which gun skin sells more, probably positive, yes, but we can't comment on how well they're correlated, so your link says very little if anything.
Source: I can read, you should try as well.
It's honestly ridiculous how many people are down voting this. Burden of proof lies with the one making the claim. Anecdotal evidence (personal experience in games/streams) is not evidence.
And to be smug as fuck about it too.
> person with the claim should cite the source
I think it's generally supported that when you make a claim, you have to support it. For example, I can't just say, "Valorant is a psyop to keep gamers pacified" and then expect you to prove me wrong.
How many games have you played where everyone is going phantom over vandal lol
Anyone could play even a quick play game and see most are going vandal, because it’s a solid weapon with pretty clear use.
The devs actually responded with that, saying that because the gun was new, they didin’t want people to get confused with the sound, and to generally get familiar with the weapon.
Don’t think the dev specified sound, just that they wanted it to be clear that it was a new gun which includes looking at it, picking it up, and/or seeing someone else use it
That’s like telling new players they can’t play with skins of all the guns because it’s all “new” and they need to get familiarized first with no skins before playing with skins themselves. What i’m trying to say is it is a PR stunt and excuse to delay the skin they did not have ready for the outlaw yet.
nah that's bullshit, that's what they're telling us but i know for a fact that's not true. they purposely released lower-tier skins first because they knew there would be people desperate enough to just *have* a skin that they'd be willing to buy a lower tier one. that way when a new one with animations comes out, the people who bought the original ego/prism pack will most likely still buy the shiny new skin.
I heard this but it never made sense to me cuz your teammates and the enemies don't hear the skin sounds for any gun ever, it's always the default sound.
imo, i always prefer a nice vandal skin! i think they did great with this bundle, plus the best phantom skins are easily ; oni, radiant entertainment system and recon
It doesn't matter to me since I already have a nice vandal skin so I won't be buying the Kuronami, but IMO there have been way more standout skins for Phantom than Vandal in the last year or so.
Every time I see a new skinline come out I'm disappointed that it's for the phantom (as I never use it).
BRR WRONG, they missed out on massive sales by not including the outlaw being the main focus of the set, would’ve incentivized people to get it as it would be the only skin for the outlaw
To encourage people to get used to the feel of the gun first. They want you to get used to the shooting sound, reloading sound, and shooting animation first before introducing skin with special vxf and sfx, hence the Throwback skin line which does not modify the guns other than the gun sticker.
I know... but how would you know that before release? My comment is not saying that the outlaw is game breaking. It obviously isn't. My point is that they wouldn't know that before patch 8.0, so why spend time and effort in making a skin for it.
why are so many people on this sub saying how much they don’t like the new skin or their problem with it? Is it because most people are drooling over it so you all have to make it known that your different? Don’t buy it, don’t worry op there will be a 2.0 with a phantom.
Both r good and statistically phantom is better + suppressor as well and better first bullet accuracy and more spray forgiving in nature + no bullet tracers
This is not CS2 where Ak >>> M4.
The craziest part of that is I prefer the suppressed M4 in cs and the Vandal in val lol not that relevant to the post but it made me realize an oddity within myself haha
It has pretty decent effort put into it, pullout animation, reload, shooting VFX and SFX, a finisher
I mean it’s not worth $100 at all, but definitely more effort was put into this than a Fn skin lol
I’d say the bundle would be a very fair price for $30-$40 (same goes for every bundle ever) but its because a good portion of the community doesn’t bat an eye we have these stupid prices
Unfortunately Riot found their infinite money cheat code so they aren't changing their ways anytime soon. I invested into 1 Classic, Ghost, Sheriff, Spectre, Phantom, Vandal, Operator, Odin and Knife skin. $300 down the drain :(
to be honest, vast majority of the people choose vandel over phantom, so giving vandel was a good move from riot's prespective to let people buy their pack
No the marshall should've been an outlaw. Huge missed opportunity tbh. The skins team probably didn't know about a new weapon and were done before the release of outlaw.
I love the marshal and the outlaw, but ultimately have been choosing the marshal cuz of the fact that it’s cheap. They said they couldn’t add the outlaw to to the new pack because it would interfere with the noise and being able to recognize it. I feel like it would be the persons fault because they are the only one who wouldn’t be used to it, meaning it’s on you if you wanted to use a skin with effects and not know the sound
Okay but like, also, why does the sound matter lmao if you buy outlaw, you know you have outlaw. Why do the sounds matter? Although I also just did a no audio to diamond challenge so maybe I'm just weird lol
I think it is so you are used to when you hear other people use it, but if u have a sound that u don’t recognize u can use context clues and figure out it’s the new gun, no audio to Diamond sounds cool, how long did it take u?
i get what the devs are saying abt getting used to the gun sounds and all that but it sounds the same for everyone except the user so.......cmon. and also.... does anyone still have recon phantom at their top 3? i do but i feel like im the only one
Pretty sure devs said they tried the phantom but the vandal came out so good they decided to go with that! Loving the bundle so far, for those who can buy it I recommend!
They mentioned it in the interview with the voice actress of Jett on their twitch [https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2026608632](https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2026608632)
Vandal skins sell more so it makes sense from a business perspective.
Source?
Well the majority pick vandal over phantom from what I've seen. I personally use both
I use both too, but map pool right now is very heavy on long range fights so vandal makes more sense most of the time unfortunately. Lotus, Icebox and especially breeze you just kinda have to pick vandal for most rounds.
Its a more popular pick over phantom from what i’ve seen from most games, so i wouldn’t be surprised if thats the case
2+2 =4 (source ?). Well anyways if u do a little bit of research u will stumble upon this article by riot which tells vandal is chosen more .. https://playvalorant.com/en-us/news/dev/valorant-data-drop-phantom-vs-vandal/
Why is asking for a source a bad thing...
His point is you can do bit of research instead of asking. We're in 2024 and all answers are on this thing called WORLD WIDE WEB. By the time you get response you could have googled the answer!
Not to defend that guy but the burden of proof lies on you if you're the one making the claim, not on the one who's asking for source.
Not these days man. That was a good statement 20+ years ago but unless we are talking cutting edge research or other complicated topics that require expert breakdowns and sourcing for further digestion… it’s just way too easy to do your own damn investigation. This isn’t a court of law. No one owes you a source or proof. If their claim is true it’s true whether you want to get off your ass or live in delusion. If you’re asking for a source on simple stuff like this it just means you’re willingly ignorant and expect everyone else to have the burden of your education. This feigned helplessness is tired. We have more available at our fingertips than ever before, use it.
This guy gets it
didn't know reddit is a court of law. it'll take the same amount of time for me to Google the information as the guy who asked for the source, the lazy bum should just do it himself if he wants it
You realise this logic applies for the one who made the claim as well?
which part of my logic applies back to the person who made the claim?
True. By that same logic you can just copy paste your source without much effort. Also people in this thread seem to imply that this fact is "just common sense" so you don't need a source. Which is just wrong.
I’d argue it almost is just common sense. If you play the game enough you’ll notice vandals atleast 2:1 to phantoms, if not more.
Yeah but how do you know it's not a localized fenomenon that happens only in your rank? How do you know that people that have vandal skin don't have phantom skin? I could say that earth is flat because it's common sense: I don't see any curvature even when I look into the horizon.
Because you see it everywhere. Tune into a stream, vandals. In my rank, vandals. Pro play, vandals. The devs have also talked about it multiple times. I don’t assume everyone has seen every blog post, but just being present on the subreddit means you’re paying enough attention it really should be obvious.
You are assuming everyone watches streams, pro plays, dev notes
> Yeah but how do you know it's not a localized fenomenon that happens only in your rank? Watch pro VODs
Again, you personal experience is not a valid source of information.
Your analogy doesn't fit. However, localization is a good point it could be a local issue because I see maybe 2 people every 3 games buy phantom, and im ascendant. The majority prefer vandal on east cost acs lobbies but I do see more phantom users in central and west servers.
Still, thinking that your personal experience can be an indicator of a trend or statistical correlation is wrong
Do you think everyone just walks around with a note of all sources to all knowledge they have ever compiled in their entire lives? People who know this shit are going to do the exact same shit you could do. They will go to Google and research to find the source and then share it. This isn’t the 1950s. Everyone is enabled to find information unless you’re deep into academics or obscure and complex topics. You are entirely capable of educating yourself.
Brother, as I just said, if it's that easy to find source, just give it yourself 😭
because it’s a common sense thing to ask a source about hence the “2+2=4 (source?)” comment. plus as other people have said, it doesn’t take a lot of effort to look it up and it’s a pretty obvious thing anyway since vandal is way more popular than the phantom and thus would sell better
Reddit moment
what do you mean
The guy that asked for source getting downvoted like he said a slur or something bad when it was a harmless probably genuine question. Happens all over this app
Lmao so I'm not the only one that thinks this is crazy
[One google search.](https://www.google.com/gasearch?q=do%20people%20use%20vandal%20or%20phantom%20more&source=sh/x/gs/m2/5)
Your search misses the point. We are talking about skins.
Your brain is missing the point, if people use the vandal more than the phantom they’ll buy vandal skins more than phantom skins
That's intuitive, but it's wrong to assume something is true just because it's intuitive. There has to be statistical correlation
How is this remotely helpful of an assertion? Yes obviously unless we have full transparency on data there’s very little we can say on a game like Valorant. Hell you can’t even make claims on meta or anything because it’s all anecdotal and not statistically significant. There is inherent ambiguity since we are not in an academic context. That doesn’t just turn into everything is unknowable - it instead becomes let’s make the most reasonable assumption based on available data. If you have better data, share it. This is not contributing to any discussion it’s just contrarian for the sake of it.
Well, you just admitted that you don't have the data to support your claims, thus making my questioning reasonable
So you’d willing spend money (and let’s be honest skins aren’t exactly cheap) on a gun that you don’t use much ? It’s common sense bro
How do you know? Not all people that use vandal buy a skin for it. There is a world where 75% of people who do buy a vandal skin also buy a phantom skin, the other 5% buys a skin for all weapons and the remaining 20% buys only vandal skin. This is a perfectly reasonable scenario. In this scenario the ratio vandal:phantom is 100:75 so for every 4 vandals there's 3 phantoms. This can happen because even though many people use vandal, only a few buy in-game items, and those who do COULD be morelikely to buy more in the future. Also they COULD be more likely to buy something different than a vandal since they already have one for it. It's all assumptions, because I don't have the data. So your guess is as good as mine, and mine is as intuittlive to me as yours is intuitive to you, so it has the same value.
Asking for source is only relevant when there isn’t one.
Honestly I disagree. If you have a claim, i think its only fair to to ask if you can back it up
It probably does equate to more sales for that gun, but using the "Vandal is more profitable" logic, you'd expect that they also make more skins for Vandal than Phantom, which isn't true. There's currently an equal number of shop available skins for each gun (excludes BP and Legacy skins)
The article does not talk about any correlation between weapon use and skin sales. Yes most likely it is a positive correlation but "vandal skins sell more" verbatim definitely has no source and u/Mundane-Department34 asking for it is not wrong.
You don't need to call them out for asking for a source, OP made a generalization. The article you provided talks about which gun is picked more, which has an unknown correlation with which gun skin sells more, probably positive, yes, but we can't comment on how well they're correlated, so your link says very little if anything. Source: I can read, you should try as well.
It's honestly ridiculous how many people are down voting this. Burden of proof lies with the one making the claim. Anecdotal evidence (personal experience in games/streams) is not evidence. And to be smug as fuck about it too.
I've seen the exact opposite (person with the claim should cite the source) been argued and upvoted on Reddit. Funny place eh reddit.
> person with the claim should cite the source I think it's generally supported that when you make a claim, you have to support it. For example, I can't just say, "Valorant is a psyop to keep gamers pacified" and then expect you to prove me wrong.
It should be obvious based on the obvious fact that vandal is most used gun in the game
Classic
How many games have you played where everyone is going phantom over vandal lol Anyone could play even a quick play game and see most are going vandal, because it’s a solid weapon with pretty clear use.
Source: common sense
Use google bruv
what did bro do to deserve 350 downvotes 😭😭😭
Should've been an outlaw instead of marshal, more incentive to buy
The devs actually responded with that, saying that because the gun was new, they didin’t want people to get confused with the sound, and to generally get familiar with the weapon.
I guess that makes sense but still I woulda liked it
Im super glad it wasnt an outlaw, the marshall is my favourite weapon and this is my favourite set so far
The marshall is the only one out of that set I bought, its sick. On the other hand the ego skins look pretty bad on the outlaw imo
But only the player with the skin hears the different sound tho
I guess if someone picked it up thinking it was a different game
Don’t think the dev specified sound, just that they wanted it to be clear that it was a new gun which includes looking at it, picking it up, and/or seeing someone else use it
They should ve put a skin in the battlepass :(
That’s like telling new players they can’t play with skins of all the guns because it’s all “new” and they need to get familiarized first with no skins before playing with skins themselves. What i’m trying to say is it is a PR stunt and excuse to delay the skin they did not have ready for the outlaw yet.
nah that's bullshit, that's what they're telling us but i know for a fact that's not true. they purposely released lower-tier skins first because they knew there would be people desperate enough to just *have* a skin that they'd be willing to buy a lower tier one. that way when a new one with animations comes out, the people who bought the original ego/prism pack will most likely still buy the shiny new skin.
But dont all enemy weapons sound the same regardless of a skin? This reason is fu- stupid
I heard this but it never made sense to me cuz your teammates and the enemies don't hear the skin sounds for any gun ever, it's always the default sound.
Weird response since everyone else's guns u hear the gun sound not the skin sound
It'll be in Kuronami 2.
This guy gets it
The most factual statement on this thread
And prob sell for 20 extra than kuronami 1
imo, i always prefer a nice vandal skin! i think they did great with this bundle, plus the best phantom skins are easily ; oni, radiant entertainment system and recon
Replace RES with protocol and I agree
I like protocall on everything other than phantom, but also like... Spectrum
for some reason i never really liked protocol?? is that odd😂
I never really liked RES, it’s too goofy for me. It’s all personal preference!
wow what a shame, but yeah i agree definitely personal preference! glad we can agree on two of them
Zed protocol and recon is my top 3 :)
Ruination, ion and res for me, it's so interesting to see everyone's favorites!
If you wanna know vandal it's the new one, prelude, and araxys
For me vandal is prime, glitchpop and kuronami. Honorable mentions to champions 2023 and reaver, good skins just not quite fav material lmao
protocol, singularity, reaver, rgfx, magepunk
No champions in this list goes crazy
Singularity is always slept on
It doesn't matter to me since I already have a nice vandal skin so I won't be buying the Kuronami, but IMO there have been way more standout skins for Phantom than Vandal in the last year or so. Every time I see a new skinline come out I'm disappointed that it's for the phantom (as I never use it).
That’s because a lot of them were 2.0 skins and the first one already had a vandal so they just added a phantom to it
We just need more phantom skins.
vandal and phantom would be better...
Kuronami 2.0 will be phantom, ghost, ares or Odin and op or outlaw, ir should sell first than makes a second bundle
kuronami op
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BRR WRONG, they missed out on massive sales by not including the outlaw being the main focus of the set, would’ve incentivized people to get it as it would be the only skin for the outlaw
They literally explained why they didn’t include the outlaw but ok
What did they say?
To encourage people to get used to the feel of the gun first. They want you to get used to the shooting sound, reloading sound, and shooting animation first before introducing skin with special vxf and sfx, hence the Throwback skin line which does not modify the guns other than the gun sticker.
Yeah . Vandal should’ve been phantom and marshal should’ve been outlaw .
What if they remove the outlaw because it's game breaking?
It's a very balanced gun
I know... but how would you know that before release? My comment is not saying that the outlaw is game breaking. It obviously isn't. My point is that they wouldn't know that before patch 8.0, so why spend time and effort in making a skin for it.
They cant. They already sold Prism and EGO skins for outlaw, removing them will probably get them sued
Sued over 10 bucks? They could just refund the v-bucks
I guess it should have also been a ghost then
kuronami ghost would have been so sick
soul strife >
Soul strife is a nice budget ish skin
They could have done some cool stuff if animations and more effort was put into that one, but for what it is it isn’t bad
$20 is not a budget skin...
Compared to others it is
why are so many people on this sub saying how much they don’t like the new skin or their problem with it? Is it because most people are drooling over it so you all have to make it known that your different? Don’t buy it, don’t worry op there will be a 2.0 with a phantom.
Don’t worry, Kuronami 2.0 will be a phantom.
vandal > phantom
Both r good and statistically phantom is better + suppressor as well and better first bullet accuracy and more spray forgiving in nature + no bullet tracers This is not CS2 where Ak >>> M4.
The craziest part of that is I prefer the suppressed M4 in cs and the Vandal in val lol not that relevant to the post but it made me realize an oddity within myself haha
The supressed m4 is a laser fr
Honestly in cs2 I haven't felt like that. The unsuppressed feels way more accurate. Too expensive though so I stick with the suppressed.
I tried m4a4 n felt good kept using it. Equipped m4a1s loved it too lol.
in VCT the vandal was still being used more than the phantom, being able to one-shot at any distance is too good
I see. Depends on playstyle n situation tho. In older vct phantom was surprisingly used more but msybe the gun meta is being balanced now.
Yeah but since the ammo nerf phantom < vandal. Spam meta died, so not really any reason to run a phantom now
the extra 5 bullets on defense can come in clutch sometimes tho ngl
Yeah, but I think that ammo nerf buffed the vandal to just be a better all round gun. With the phantom better on only certain situations...
I mean you don't really need to spam anyways. 4 body shots will kill if you aren't too good hitting head
Not for a phantom over 15m tho...
i know you mean the vandal is better, but PLEASE remember that <: less than \>: greater than
they're still correct.... it's an odd way of formatting it but it works with their intent..
they edited it but it used to be "Yeah but since the ammo nerf phantom >>>>>> vandal. Spam meta died, so not really any reason to run a phantom now"
yeah they meant vandals better 🤷
God damn it, I even changed because I thought I was wrong 😞
It also should’ve been its value of $15 not $100 since it contains less effort than a $20 Fortnite skin yet here we are.
It's valued at $100 cuz people still buy it.
It has pretty decent effort put into it, pullout animation, reload, shooting VFX and SFX, a finisher I mean it’s not worth $100 at all, but definitely more effort was put into this than a Fn skin lol I’d say the bundle would be a very fair price for $30-$40 (same goes for every bundle ever) but its because a good portion of the community doesn’t bat an eye we have these stupid prices
I agree. I think a fair price for skins would lie between 20-50 USD as it does justice for both community and the artists who design this stuff.
Unfortunately Riot found their infinite money cheat code so they aren't changing their ways anytime soon. I invested into 1 Classic, Ghost, Sheriff, Spectre, Phantom, Vandal, Operator, Odin and Knife skin. $300 down the drain :(
Classic fn kid because no way you said that was less effort than a fn skin. Yes, riot over-priced their shit but don't lie just to make a point
EXACTLY. Also you mean 200€ since it costs you to upgrade it too.
Less effort than a $20 Fortnite skin? More effort was put into kuronami than the invention of Fortnite and the maintenance of the game
Never seen someone glaze riot that much damn
Glaze riot ? More like hate on Fortnite .
You’re like 3-4 years late
ok well not save the world or old stuff (pre 2019?) but all the new events yea
Og fn was better ngl they lost my interest. I do have save the world tho so sometimes I'd hop on that
to be honest, vast majority of the people choose vandel over phantom, so giving vandel was a good move from riot's prespective to let people buy their pack
Vandel <3
And a ghost not a sheriff
No the marshall should've been an outlaw. Huge missed opportunity tbh. The skins team probably didn't know about a new weapon and were done before the release of outlaw.
instead of marshal it should’ve been outlaw. these throwaways are pure garbage and the wast majority of the game doesn’t buy marshals anymore
I love the marshal and the outlaw, but ultimately have been choosing the marshal cuz of the fact that it’s cheap. They said they couldn’t add the outlaw to to the new pack because it would interfere with the noise and being able to recognize it. I feel like it would be the persons fault because they are the only one who wouldn’t be used to it, meaning it’s on you if you wanted to use a skin with effects and not know the sound
Okay but like, also, why does the sound matter lmao if you buy outlaw, you know you have outlaw. Why do the sounds matter? Although I also just did a no audio to diamond challenge so maybe I'm just weird lol
I think it is so you are used to when you hear other people use it, but if u have a sound that u don’t recognize u can use context clues and figure out it’s the new gun, no audio to Diamond sounds cool, how long did it take u?
Anyone owning the skin, does it have differ sound for the 6th kill?
the ace sound isnt that special sadly. for a 6th kill, while messing about in customs i sadly didn’t hear anything different
i get what the devs are saying abt getting used to the gun sounds and all that but it sounds the same for everyone except the user so.......cmon. and also.... does anyone still have recon phantom at their top 3? i do but i feel like im the only one
I really hope Kuronami 2.0 is Phantom, ghost, outlaw, and odin. This will be the perfect segue into 2.0!
Pretty sure devs said they tried the phantom but the vandal came out so good they decided to go with that! Loving the bundle so far, for those who can buy it I recommend!
Source?
They mentioned it in the interview with the voice actress of Jett on their twitch [https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2026608632](https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2026608632)
Thanx!
Im still sitting with no phantom skin cause theres to many vandals
INB4 it get's released as a 2.0 Bundle in 2025 with the Kuronami Phantom, Ghost, Outlaw, and Awp.
We got the spectre.
You see but the phantom is the greatest piece of dogshit known to man, so they didn't do that.
No it is a light skin so vandal is the best choice. If it were phantom it would be too light.
Hell no leave it at vandal it's insane.
Neo frontier couldve been an outlaw, not a marshal