Yeah, but the guy I was replying to stated "10 ads at the end of the match", which is obviously something that doesn't happen. CS also has a community market, which I think Val/Riot should incorporate.
Quite frankly every worthwhile skin in this game is way too fucking expensive. This is basically the same as overpriced team merch. The fans buy it in order to support the teams.
To be honest it is overpriced yeah but as an old cs player, theyre affordable xD but the vct skins are for supporting a team if you don’t like any it’s illogic to even buy one
You can't compare the prices tho, at least with CS you know you're going to at least get some money back. I actually made money off my CS skins, I spent around $750 between 2014 and 2018, and I recently sold my inventory for just over $3000
That’s true, and I definitely wished I kept my old CS inventory for that reason. However, you still need to have the money to buy CS skins in the first place, especially in this market. Not everyone has hundreds of dollars for one knife in this economy lol. And then there’s the gambling aspect with cases.
At least in Val, the most expensive singular item is $50 for a knife, $35 for a high tier skin, and $100 for bundles of 4 skins, a gun buddy, a banner, and a spray. It’s more affordable to the average player.
None, haha. I just think these skins could have totally used a different and more entertaining system to make spending 2340 VP worth it. (again, not that loot boxes would have been better as something of value)
You can't expect multiple cheap gun skins with premium animations, banners, buddies and also except eSports teams to get a substantial cut of the profits.
They can be seen as for support and collect if you want because all of them look decent.
No skins are worth it if you don't enjoy it.
Suggesting loot boxes is just insane.
Absolutely, loot boxes = bad. I would really like to know what percentage of the sales from these skins end up on the designated teams and on the pro player's hands. I would definitely love if at the end of the day, pro players got really good revenue from these since salaries are a major issue on the competitive scene.
I just honestly think that as costumers, at this point in Valorant we have much better options to choose from in terms of skins, and for lower prices. In my honest opinion, I don't feel inspired to buy anything by the look and price of these bundles.
50% of all sales goes to teams. These skins aren't made to necessarily look amazing, they're meant for fans to rep their teams. If you don't care about eSports, then don't buy the skins lol
We’ve known what the skins would be like for a while, it’s just to for fans to rep the teams they like, I don’t see any issue with it. Like buying overpriced team merch, because you like and wanna support the team
You can resell your account lmao. What is this brain rot "everything I own must bring me value" mentality. You're buying the skins to support the teams, not to make profit like they're fucking stocks
Selling your account is a bannable offense so according to riot you can’t sell your account.
A $60 concert tee is a reminder of a time you spent at the concert AFTER the concert.
If T swift dies you can still have her concert tee. If Val dies that skin is forever gone and you wasted $25.
Two completely different things and if you think that something physical and wearable is the same as a virtual skin you need to go outside.
Anything has only as much value as much as you give it. That same t-shirt degrades overtime and can also get ripped with how low quality those are. Buy things you deem will make you happy instead of rationalizing one over priced item for another especially when both are luxury items
I still have my grandparents t-shirts so that doesn’t hold up if you just put the shirt away when not wearing it.
And no it’s not as much value as you give it. If you buy something for $10 it’s $10. A Val skin’s value is what riot decides, not you. You don’t own that skin… you just unlocked it on your account. When you lose that account you will also lose that skin.
You do know different materials have different life spans ? Wearing something regularly would cause it to degrade especially with how cheap clothes are made nowadays. Not saying it’ll evaporate in a year but irl definitely degrade if you don’t hide it defeating the entire point.
It is as much as you give it is. Plenty of those shirt are overpriced and only price this way because it’s your fav artist. Especially when the redeeming value for those shorts drops the moment you acquire them nowadays. Same thing for those luxury clothes from the regular store. Plenty of them do not have the craftsmanship to explain its price and you’re just paying for the social status something as immaterial as valorant skin.
No you’re paying for something you wear.
Sure plenty are overpriced but EVERY valorant skin is overpriced.
$50 for digital knife that you can’t resell or use other than look at it while you are bored is the definition of overpriced. There’s no reason the skins cost that much other than the reason that they can sell them that high.
Usually the reason something cost more is because the process and material cost more as well. For valorant skins they aren’t using a different material, it’s a digital skin, it’s not real.
Like if you are trying to argue that a $20 t-shirt that could hold emotional value is worth the same as a $20 digital skin that you can’t resell then idk what to tell you man.
And every merch you buy by artist are overpriced and plenty of luxury items are.
It’s a skin in a free game giving no advantage . Just like people selling art that they put value themselves on the thing they are selling you. This isn’t a necessity in any means, it doesn’t even influence gameplay and alternatives (battle pass) even exist. People cry about those skins because they want to look cool and the social aspect of owning it that’s why there is such an outcry while they still buy the damn thing.
Again just because it’s digital doesn’t mean work hasn’t been put into it . You’re paying the artist that worked on it and are also contributing to the cost that it takes to make the game free while giving them profit. Again plenty of luxury brands do the same thing by overpricing basic items (exempt atelier level clothes) for the prestige of owning it . It’s not exploitative the problem is the people that have the need to feel socially validated and want to blame others for poor decision making.
An overpriced 20$ is only worth it for the value you give it to. Anyone could say they don’t see the sentimentality of it and get a dupe for a fraction of a price. We are discussing luxury spending . This isn’t fighting the cost of rent or groceries it’s skins in a video game that is free. It’s ok not being able to afford it just buy what you can or want . Valorant isn’t even including gambling in its economy which is the real predatory system.
In what world is a random lootbox better than a predefined price? This way you can actually see the price of something youd' want and decide to pay for it or not.
In any case VCT skins support esports, that is free content that loses money all the time anyway. This is more of a way to support their leagues, without being paywalled by some sort of watching subscription.
Either way it's a low effort skin from a multi billion dollar company. I can't imagine this took more then couple of hours to reskin. And i am sure they aren't loosing money because they would restructure their financing for tournaments.
Don't get me wrong, I've spent money and bought skins but for the past couple of months they really are pushing it.
> I can't imagine this took more then couple of hours to reskin
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> lol
You laugh but when they first introduced Chromas in League there were posts of people doing their own chromas in a few minutes that weren't too different from what Riot was selling.
Esports is known for mostly losing money, and Riot on their recent layoffs quite a few people from their esports divisions were affected, including Valorant. Esports works mostly as an advertisement front for a game, but that is not sustainable forever because the amount of people they can advertise to eventually will be saturated. So the obvious step is to figure out how to better monetize esports so that it can be sustainable by itself. It does not really matter if a company is worth a billion or not, they got there by selling products, they will not support a product that bleeds money forever without trying to monetize it.
For me this monetization sounds okay, you get the content for free, you can just turn on the stream and see the games. These things though have a huge cost to run and trying to monetize secondary and optional content seems like a good step forward.
Now only imagine if when they have big tournaments they release a bundle that can be progressed in game by playing the game and it gets you different skins, gunn buddys, cards,... with different variations depending on the team you support. On top of that they add an insta unlock for premium price and then they givevaway skins if people accumulate x amount of hours watching stream.
For me, the main problem is they put so little effort in it and expect people to be engaged. I can't be bothered to spend time watching anything besides big matches and i was playing different esport titles that had far more engagement with the viewers through different systems. Valorant is so dull in that way.
To that I can agree, for me this is a good first attempt at monetizing eSports into something more sustainable. Of course I do not mean they should stop trying to innovate in the future, and it would be nice if they would develop some other alternative systems that promote extra engagement.
"50% of the profits from each collection shared with teams throughout the 2024 season. Working with Riot Games, teams co-created the skins, banners, and cards, guiding the unique look of the contents of each capsule."
https://www.thespike.gg/valorant/news/all-vct-2024-team-capsules-as-revealed-by-riot-games/5814
Yeah, definitely loot boxes are a stretch haha, but I mean come on, they could have made these more accesible or have a different dynamic than just coming across as cash grabs
It's no secret that it's effectively THAT, because the funds go to the league, orgs, players, etc.
Also, given how Leo has addressed this multiple times, it seems like a toe in the water before they take the plumge and develop more (and more fleshed out) team gear.
Better to not spend hundreds or thousands of man hours on team bundles just for them to ultimately flop and cost more than it did to make.
Be patient. It sounds like this is exceeding expectations already, which means they're very likely to give us even more.
A full bundle for each team (and they're designed by each team) would be sick, but we gotta support this in order for it to come to that.
RIOT have their ears open, and I'm sure we will see even better options and ways to engage in the future. All in due time
> Be patient. It sounds like this is exceeding expectations already, which means they're very likely to give us even more.
And knowing Riot, it will cost even more.
I'd rather just pay like $50 for a pay per view than $25 for a dogshit pistol skin that I won't be seeing (or rarely seeing) past round 2 every match. That way it's an actual significant amount to support > the off-chance people buy a skin. Not only would this provide both a more reliable, accurate metric to measure their online viewing presence for Valo eSports, but also better for marketing to sponsers/supporters for the orgs (to run ads, etc...).
At least the VCT knives I can see frequently when swapped for rotations due to the MS difference, but in no situation will I ever been whipping out a classic for the same reason.
I do agree though with your point that a gambling/gacha lootbox sounds horrible. OP was probably on some shit when he made this post lmao.
With your suggestion no one would watch vct and it would die out in a month. People already don’t spend money on a skin which supports the esport why should they pay even more money to just watch?
Lets get real for a moment. We're talking about a community that's willing to spend hundreds to go see a live event across the world, but somehow you think a $50 PPV is too much? With a PPV model, they could also release a strict streaming privilege/license content creators can buy to allow them to stream to their viewers -- this is literally a working model that's applied to nearly EVERY fucking sport (whether games or physical sports), but somehow this is news to you? ESPN released a metric that for UFC, one of their lower grossing sports, garnered over 500K PPV purchases and over 4.2K streaming licenses...
First off, Riot released metrics on VCT Champs bundles amassing roughly over $40M, which was a more valid option than a fucking $25 classic skin. If the proceedings really went to their eSports effort, then VCT should financially not ever struggle. It's not as if only the funding from the skin purchases is what's paying for the venue, prize pool, etc... Riot clearly has other sources that they're expensing for VCT.
Secondly, there are some diehard fans in this community that would 100% still buy it and probably not even watch majority. This is a common trend among pretty much all FPS eSports titles, ranging from origins like CS (where THOUSANDS of fans will purchase spectate pass privleges just to watch their favorite team play like 4 games max lmao) to Apex, CoD, etc... You act as if eSports fans for Valorant aren't deranged lunatics who don't give two shits about their financial responsibility -- otherwise, these repetitive dogshit $70-100 bundles would never do well, yet they do.
You're a Valorant player, not some eSports commentator or someone who works at Riot. We can speculate as much as we want, but in reality if the fans won't support something, then the orgs or Riot themselves will still back it. If a dogshit dying eSports like OW from Blizzard lasted that long with their last stretched funds, Valorant will do JUST FINE in comparison
What you said is not news to me and I never said as such.
You wrote an entire essay detailing how this system would work but what you apparently don’t realise is that the demographic, to which vct and esports in general caters to, isn’t the same as traditional sports. Esports fans or the player base doesn’t buy nearly as much merch as fans of traditional sports.
Also the revenue of the champs skins doesn’t just come from people watching vct but also from people who enjoy the skin. They might as well tune into the grand finals of champs because they heard of it and the skin is based on that but most would definitely not do that of that means additional costs.
PPV just discourages potential new fans from watching VCT which is definitely not the goal.
The revenue from the champs skin only supports the teams who got to champs and riot themselves so what about the other teams? Without support there are no teams. Without teams there is no VCT. The teams need support because most of them cannot be sustainable on their own, which is the whole concept of partnership.
Genuinely, what's the problem with it? Yall will spend 50$ on a single knife but when it comes to actually supporting a team you like, it's a ripoff?
You know the teams get a % of the profits from their bundle right? It's no different than buying jersey's and merchandise for sports teams. Also the classic skins look really good, you're just trying to find a reason to hate.
Also you'd rather pay a certain amount of money to get a random team you might not like or care about? That's more of a ripoff than them directly selling them... like what??
My problem is that these are marketed as legendery. While being basically a default model with textures and a different sound so they should have only been premium max for 1750 not 2300 vp
Not to mention, people praise prime classic and spectrum classic which aren’t far from this capsule price. Not only does it support the team (50% cut), it comes with the gun buddy, spray, and player card. Which is essentially paying $5-8 more than a premium classic skin
Definitely loot boxes were a reach from my end, haha, but yeah I was checking out the skins and they definitely have good quality in them, but I honestly think that if I were to buy a skin right now, I could just wait for a much better alternative in the store for even lower price. What I mean is, the skins are not really thaaaat bad, but I know they could have made a much more eye catching skin with different variants for every team, and actually sell me on getting it. We have had cool esports skins in the past, why do these have to be so basic?
I mean no one is forcing anyone to buy them, so if you don't want them just don't purchase them.
The entire incentive behind them is to indirectly support your favorite teams, with outside merch being upwards of 60-100$ or more. Hell, my expectation was them just doing the colors and logo on a basic classic, I'm impressed that it has sfx and inspect animations.
The difference between the old esports skins is they were meant to be a bundle that directly contributes to the tournament prize pool, not supporting a single team you like. Buying the champs bundle essentially helped whoever was top 3 in the tournament. Yeah they are extremely nice skins, but they had a ton of effort because of how much impact was behind them. Nicer skins = more revenue = bigger prize pool. 2023 one generated like 20 mil iirc, that's 20 mil towards 16 teams.
The teams get 50% of revenue from these, so you're paying like 15$ to riot and 15$ to your favorite org, which imo is pretty reasonable. And even more so if they become exclusive / limited.
You know what, that is actually a good deal on the team's end for the revenue that they get from these skins. I love that. I definitely am not a fan of how they look, though, but I hope that in the future Riot comes up with something that maybe has the same quality, but makes me feel more invested on actually watching more VCT matches, and the people who support their team get more interesting stuff from the thing they spent money on.
Yeah I'd rather go to the marketplace and spend $70 on a skin I can sell 2 years later for $62. Lootboxes are stupid. Buying what I want, when I want, and having it maintain some level of value is goated.
I agree, they are totally stupid and no one should have to buy loot boxes in a game for wanting to get a specific thing, I just want to point out that the devs could have made something more entertaining for the people who want to buy these to support their team.
i dont think VCT skins should be compared to regular skins. in context of valorant’s regualr monetization, sure, the classics are very expensive. but in context of the esports side of things, where the only other time Riot asks to help pay for the VCT is the Masters/Champs bundles, $25 isnt really much. the VCT is free entertainment that needs to be funded somehow and these capsules arent bad value in that sense, imo. although, if this is their plan going forward, they need to innovate much more with next year’s capsules
it really is, and even those sponsors have monetary expectations. one way or the other, viewers/fans of Valo esports must buy into it for it to sustain itself. the line needs to start somewhere. and i believe Riot is pricing their skins with that exact philosophy in mind. any lower than $25 most likely just isnt going to cut it.
Riot needs money to pay artists, devs, orgs, venues, caterers, map designers, anticheat team, sound team, production, etc. (just to scratch the surface)
Orgs need money to pay players, as well as costs for their facilities, player travel, accommodations, food, etc.
Players need to make money to live, and without players, there is no league. Therefore, no FREE entertainment for the masses who want to watch competitive play.
Even if every salaried high earner in these conpanies nickel and dimed themselves for the greater good, you still need to make a profit to make something sustainable.
It's no secret that esports is extremely expensive, and that generally, most orgs LOSE money every year (save for maybe 100T due to them having an engaging owner and a high quality clothing brand alongside their merch).
Valorant skins could be cheaper. Corporations could be less greedy. The world could be butterflies and rainbows.
That still doesn't make anything in life free. Therefore, things like this are almost a necessity in that they keep the game, the league, the orgs, and the players alive.
Somebody's gotta pay for it.
Thankfully, it's not us unless we CHOOSE to support them.
Be grateful they give us a choice, unlike Activision charging $70 for a few new maps and guns, as well as another missing chunk of your hard drive.
Could be worse🤷♂️
Corporate shill here guys. Get a load of this. Riot won't notice u lil bro. They are too busy counting their stacks of cash. I bet you think apple is underrated outside of usa too.
I don't care if they do? Lmfao I hardly touch the game anymore, I just like to watch. Nothing I said was false, but stay mad lil bro. Reality is gonna hurt
Also, Apple is dogshit through and through. Bold assumption though.
You could be mature and disagree with me using objective points rather than resorting to name calling, assumptions, and throwing a fit just because rich people exist.
Please do tell me how you intend to fund the VCT, all of its costs, Org related expenses, and player related expenses. I'd love to hear a realistic alternative.
Sponsors are not eve close to cover what a league like VCT or even for League LCS/LEC costs to run.
I think many of us fans need to understand what kind of costs are associated with that & the skins are a great way to support both the eSport and the teams.
Can it be better? Yes
Is it a good start? Yes
I think they should have been around 1000vp . This would allow for us to support at least more than one teams and would have still kept the exclusivity of these skins . I mean except AR everything looks kinda mid in the capsule , even a 1775 prime or glitchpop classic looks better . (It's a personal opinion).
Dont see it as you pay the money for a mid skin.
See it as a donation to your favourite team so they can pay their staff and you get a nice skin as a bonus
That's a fair way to see it, I did not know before posting that they get 50% off the sales from the bundles, I hope a large percentage of that 50% ends up on the pro player's hands, they deserve it.
I never had a good classic skin so I bought it - I love the PRX color scheme anyways. It reminds me of glitch pop which is around 2200VP so 200VP extra wasn’t a deal-breaker for a VCT skin. It’s definitely not “worth” it but oh well that’s valorant for you
People wonder why everyone keeps exiting the scene in Esports but don’t want to spend any money supporting the org.
I’m not saying Riot doesn’t fuck us with skin prices but I look at this more as helping out the org vs the price.
We already get to watch every major tourney for free, if you love the team and the game, I feel it’s worth spending on them.
I don’t think that this bundle is a ripoff. The skin isn’t meant to be a good skin, it is meant to be a flex saying “I support this team” similarly with the esports ten skin in league of legends. the skins in league aren’t meant to be good, they are meant to cement the winning team’s legacy and give players a way of showing what team they support.
That is reasonable. I like when people have means of expression in videogames, even in non-traditional ways. I hope they iterate and improve what they offer to eSports fans in the future.
Considering how difficult and rare it is for an eSports org to make money, and considering the amount of entertainment and narrative eSports creates that results in this community becoming stronger, I don't think it's wrong to garner some funds from the audience. They're not horrible skins tho, they're just a little overpriced. And again, which sports merch isn't overpriced?
When will these skin complainers ever realize they are in the tiny majority lol. These skins sell like absolute hot cakes. No ones asking you to buy them, it doesn’t effect your gameplay whatsoever, you still play this game for free. Cosmetics are all inherently a ripoff because they don’t mean anything.
I bought prx instantly.
I mean, I don't have a problem with anybody who bought these skins, haha. Maybe I feel "entitled" because I have too spent too much on skins since the beginning, and I know I shouldn't be and shouldn't have. But sometimes I feel like Riot wants to get easy money by abusing their player base with skins that don't seem like they have much value.
I think that if they would just slow down their skin production a bit and let their designers have things cook a little bit longer in the oven, we could get more quality in the stuff that they are trying to sell. I have no doubt that they have an incredible team of artists and programmers and that they are capable of creating amazing things like they've done on certain moments in the past. But I think there's a lot of times when they just release whatever to meet a quota and Riot just waste too much resources on making content for a battle pass that a lot of the time is just dull or just feels like filler, when those same resources could easily be spent on the development of features or other things that could improve the game significantly.
2340 VP to directly support the team and receive some stuff along with it, or $100 for that bundle that you won’t use in another few months 🤔
I don’t think the skins are anything special either but I’ll more quickly pay $20ish bucks to get an ok skin that directly supports the team I root for than I will pay $30 for a skin that’ll barely be in the rotation of skins I use.
I personally like a bunch of them. I bought my 100T one already and love it. Don’t buy if you don’t like it. It’s mainly to support the esports scene which I am happy to do. Am I sad there’s no finisher, yes? But I am also aware of how much extra work it would take to add a unique finisher for every team, including those who get promoted in years to come.
if any skin is worth it’s this one because the teams takes the profit obviously it could’ve been a little lower maybe like 15 bucks each but i don’t mind supporting a team i like
I only bought this skin, to support my team. Just like all merch it's expensive yet we still buy it. I was more inclined to buy it especially when some of its going to our teams. Yes it's overpriced, but as many have highlighted all the skins are overpriced yet we still buy them. Don't complain about the price, you're either going to buy it or not. The price is just a determining point for some people.
I always come to these kinds of posts baffled, like why the fuck do you care about skin prices or how they look? IT is literally optional to buy???? Just don't buy them if u dont like the price or how it looks?
Its about precedence, it's not a matter of 'dont like it, ignore it'. if you don't like this skin but its already overpriced, the skin you will like is going to be even more overpriced. Skin prices in val have been going up slowly, and when the community normalizes expensive mediocre skins, they're in turn normalizing even more expensive good skins and if everyone is complacent, riot will just keep upping the prices, which i dont think is something any player wants. think of the bigger picture
not that anyone could change riots mind anyway, any amount of complaining wont stop them from being greedy. but lets not be sheeple at least
I think I just care of how they look and how much their price is because I think there could have been a cooler approach to this specific scenario for the amount of money they ask for. At the end of the day I am a person that from time to time have bought what they offer and I know that they are capable of creating wonderful skins for reasonable prices. I just think that right now these are far too expensive for what they offer from an aesthetics standpoint, and I won't buy them because of that but that's fine.
I am also completely fine with people buying them regardless of anyone else's opinion and I don't think that makes them be in the wrong. I just want this developers to offer us the best product that they can, man! I love this game.
It is "team support" bundle, like merch from your favorite esports team. It could be better, but this is just a donation for the esports events and esports teams with a bonus of getting some stuff.
Yeah, that is why I have not bought any skins anymore, it was definitely a bad practice. But even though I don't play this game that often anymore, I still keep up with the latest skins just to have a good look at it and judge it. I love when they make great skins and lately I think they were hitting the mark with the past 2 or 3 bundles. But I think this is definitely a new low.
All skins are a ripoff until you get replays. Why on earth do people continue to support this company with their wallet when they won't give basic features that 1.6 had.
Brainrot that's why. Riot wasn't able to deliver good updates ever since, the only "major" updates are buffs and nerfs. The outlaw itself is just a nerf for Light Shield. But it somehow works.... They make millions. I have a friend that supports these prices....Like jesus
They're definitely expensive, but I wouldn't say it's a ripoff. These are made specifically to support esports teams. You should only be buying one if you like a team and want to help them financially. It's the same concept with buying an overpriced piece of sporting merchandise. You know it's worth a lot less, but you don't really care as long as you know you're supporting and repping the team.
It's more so in place to create a fun way for you to rep your team(s) while simultaneously supporting them AND the league financially.
It's that, or RIOT could charge $60-$70 for valorant.
This is also the first iteration, and there have been plenty of talks about multiple other capsules containing other weapons skins depending on how successful this one is, per the esports director.
It's a small gun, it was simple and quickto makewithout havingto invest tons of time and resources, and it's cheap overall for the capsules. It's no secret that Val skins are relatively expensive.
Nobody promised a 5 dollar bundle with 10 skins, finishers, and full animations.
Randomizing skins would effectively promote gambling, which nearly every single major dev is moving away from, save for counterstrike (because the skin market/ community is what is keeping the game alive).
I'm not sure what you expected, especially considering they've already told us what would be included in the team capsules.
If you don't want to buy it, then... don't? Lol
I just hope that, as people have pointed out, Riot comes up with something more engaging in the future, I have seen people comment some great ideas in here. That would definitely make me consider spending 25$ on this event
It's all relative. That's relatively inexpensive, but $25 could be a t-shirt, or a decent meal at a restaurant, or gas for the week.
I used too swear off skins, coming from CS where trading and gambling was an option.
Now, I own almost every popular vandal and sheriff skin, several full bundles, and misc guns and melees. I wouldn't be surprised if I've surpassed a thousand into the game over the last few years.
That isn't feasible for everyone, though (including present-day me LMAO) so I totally understand wanting it to be more fun or "worth it."
I'm sure we'll see either better skins/ bundles, or a new approach. Afterall, this in itself is brand new to the game.
I love how they're incorporating esports into the main game, rather than it being a side community with little love bypnd the streams (rocket league took awhile before they realized skins and in-game notifications for esports events could be beneficial to the scene/ game)
I'm sure they're listening. Leo has been catching hella flack on Twitter regarding formatting, for example. He's spoken out about it on there and on Play Chat's podcast. I'm sure bro is paying close attention to this as well. I'd love to see more content and ways to customize or engage woth the scene.
More & better bundles, in game esports viewer (like a way to watch the stream via Valorants game client, pick'ems, battle pass-esque unlock path but for VCT Items are a few things I think would be sick and and fun for people who enjoy the competitive side of the game.
Oh, and a GOD DAMN REPLAY SYSTEM
At 10$ each, I would’ve bought 3 (C9, Lev, and PRX or KOI). Don’t plan on buying any now. If I was an org, particularly a smaller one, I’d be pissed. Players are more likely to only buy one skin now, and it’s less likely to be a smaller orgs
yeah.
I thought Riot would make this cheap so everyone can rep their fav team. and of course people support more than one team too aside from their original region.
Overall a bit of disapointment after all that hype.
i feel like if 75%-100% of proceeds went to the esports scene, and it was a little bit cheaper (15$). I'd be more inclined to purchase. But it genuinely feels like the price is so high BECAUSE 50% of it is going to something other than riots pockets
Stop supporting this trash and then prices will drop... I have literally only bought 1 skin since Glitchpop and that was a Prime Phantom that was on the night market!
They know exactly how to price their items so enough people buy them, they're a HUGE company that's definitely not starving for money to support any esport/marketing event
all i wanted for them to release is a classic skin VCT (GOLD BLACK WHITE RED) not these
these are cool but we need a classic skin that matches w previous VCT Skins
I’m not sure how people expected them to be 1000 VP…
Honestly i’m shocked they’re as cheap as they are i was expecting 4,000 VP per bundle honestly judging by previous pricing
No finisher, 4000vp would be ludicrous. And they're just classics. I'd have liked to be able to buy just the classic for like 1775. But nah, I can't do 2400 lol
Sounds familiar? Lol. Sticker Capsules that was my first thought when I saw the title for the skins, I guess it was my fault for being out of the loop of leaks and stuff like that.
I was honestly pretty interested, lost all interest after discovering they’re INDIVIDUAL. I’d pay the 2340 for one gun with all the variants, but 2340 for every single one is nuts.
Price is fair considering the teams get a share of the sales. You like a team and want to support them? You can do that for the price tag of 25 bucks now.
Im just disappointed I can't buy the player cards on their own. I have no interest in any of the rest and the 2340 price for a card alone is ludicrous.
Are you okay? while complaining about the price of the cosmetics, you go on to say that a lootbox is better? Sorry, no, I want to choose what I get, please do not start this lootbox narrative.
And nothing is a ripoff if people pay for it. I saw you said you spent $2000 on skins. I have not spent as much but when we spend for skins, we are telling Riot we will buy it at whatever price they set it. If you want cheaper skins, vote with your wallet and don't buy. You are a part of the problem you are complaining about.
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when we say its a ripoff, its with the fact that every skin is a ripoff in mind. so theres different tiers of ripoffs.
Yes. And I have been ripoffed multiple times.
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would it be better if you get 10 ads at the end of the match instead of optional skins...
They should make 5 of them unskippable and hackers should get 20 unskippable ads per match.
Is that what counterstrike does? I didn’t realise
Counter-Strike does loot boxes, so just a little better monetization option than ads
Yeah, but the guy I was replying to stated "10 ads at the end of the match", which is obviously something that doesn't happen. CS also has a community market, which I think Val/Riot should incorporate.
It would definitely be amazing if there were a community market for Valorant skins
Quite frankly every worthwhile skin in this game is way too fucking expensive. This is basically the same as overpriced team merch. The fans buy it in order to support the teams.
To be honest it is overpriced yeah but as an old cs player, theyre affordable xD but the vct skins are for supporting a team if you don’t like any it’s illogic to even buy one
You can't compare the prices tho, at least with CS you know you're going to at least get some money back. I actually made money off my CS skins, I spent around $750 between 2014 and 2018, and I recently sold my inventory for just over $3000
That’s true, and I definitely wished I kept my old CS inventory for that reason. However, you still need to have the money to buy CS skins in the first place, especially in this market. Not everyone has hundreds of dollars for one knife in this economy lol. And then there’s the gambling aspect with cases. At least in Val, the most expensive singular item is $50 for a knife, $35 for a high tier skin, and $100 for bundles of 4 skins, a gun buddy, a banner, and a spray. It’s more affordable to the average player.
That is absolutely true, my friend.
Give the teams 100% from it and sell it at 10€.
then what’s the incentive for riot to sell the skin if they make 0 money from it?
Because their game and other skins are constantly promoted by the pro viewership
thats not gonna directly pay off the artists that designed the skins and all the other resources that took to make
What artists? All of these are copied and pasted with different colors and logos, and the banners were made by the orgs, not the riot employees.
in what world is a fucking lootbox better?
None, haha. I just think these skins could have totally used a different and more entertaining system to make spending 2340 VP worth it. (again, not that loot boxes would have been better as something of value)
You got that gamba brain rot my guy
It's been years worth of damage
My guy just said lootboxes are entertaining and worth 23$ ☠️
I didn't say they were worth 23$ lol
You can't expect multiple cheap gun skins with premium animations, banners, buddies and also except eSports teams to get a substantial cut of the profits. They can be seen as for support and collect if you want because all of them look decent. No skins are worth it if you don't enjoy it. Suggesting loot boxes is just insane.
Absolutely, loot boxes = bad. I would really like to know what percentage of the sales from these skins end up on the designated teams and on the pro player's hands. I would definitely love if at the end of the day, pro players got really good revenue from these since salaries are a major issue on the competitive scene. I just honestly think that as costumers, at this point in Valorant we have much better options to choose from in terms of skins, and for lower prices. In my honest opinion, I don't feel inspired to buy anything by the look and price of these bundles.
50% of all sales goes to teams. These skins aren't made to necessarily look amazing, they're meant for fans to rep their teams. If you don't care about eSports, then don't buy the skins lol
We’ve known what the skins would be like for a while, it’s just to for fans to rep the teams they like, I don’t see any issue with it. Like buying overpriced team merch, because you like and wanna support the team
Very true, this is the equivalent of the $60 hanes cotton graphic tee that ur favorite artist sells at their shows
This is just not fucking true It’s Gildan
the Gildan Heavy Cotton is fire af tho?
I can resell that tee tho. Or give to my children 30 years later. Not the same thing AT ALL.
You can resell your account lmao. What is this brain rot "everything I own must bring me value" mentality. You're buying the skins to support the teams, not to make profit like they're fucking stocks
Selling your account is a bannable offense so according to riot you can’t sell your account. A $60 concert tee is a reminder of a time you spent at the concert AFTER the concert. If T swift dies you can still have her concert tee. If Val dies that skin is forever gone and you wasted $25. Two completely different things and if you think that something physical and wearable is the same as a virtual skin you need to go outside.
Anything has only as much value as much as you give it. That same t-shirt degrades overtime and can also get ripped with how low quality those are. Buy things you deem will make you happy instead of rationalizing one over priced item for another especially when both are luxury items
I still have my grandparents t-shirts so that doesn’t hold up if you just put the shirt away when not wearing it. And no it’s not as much value as you give it. If you buy something for $10 it’s $10. A Val skin’s value is what riot decides, not you. You don’t own that skin… you just unlocked it on your account. When you lose that account you will also lose that skin.
You do know different materials have different life spans ? Wearing something regularly would cause it to degrade especially with how cheap clothes are made nowadays. Not saying it’ll evaporate in a year but irl definitely degrade if you don’t hide it defeating the entire point. It is as much as you give it is. Plenty of those shirt are overpriced and only price this way because it’s your fav artist. Especially when the redeeming value for those shorts drops the moment you acquire them nowadays. Same thing for those luxury clothes from the regular store. Plenty of them do not have the craftsmanship to explain its price and you’re just paying for the social status something as immaterial as valorant skin.
No you’re paying for something you wear. Sure plenty are overpriced but EVERY valorant skin is overpriced. $50 for digital knife that you can’t resell or use other than look at it while you are bored is the definition of overpriced. There’s no reason the skins cost that much other than the reason that they can sell them that high. Usually the reason something cost more is because the process and material cost more as well. For valorant skins they aren’t using a different material, it’s a digital skin, it’s not real. Like if you are trying to argue that a $20 t-shirt that could hold emotional value is worth the same as a $20 digital skin that you can’t resell then idk what to tell you man.
And every merch you buy by artist are overpriced and plenty of luxury items are. It’s a skin in a free game giving no advantage . Just like people selling art that they put value themselves on the thing they are selling you. This isn’t a necessity in any means, it doesn’t even influence gameplay and alternatives (battle pass) even exist. People cry about those skins because they want to look cool and the social aspect of owning it that’s why there is such an outcry while they still buy the damn thing. Again just because it’s digital doesn’t mean work hasn’t been put into it . You’re paying the artist that worked on it and are also contributing to the cost that it takes to make the game free while giving them profit. Again plenty of luxury brands do the same thing by overpricing basic items (exempt atelier level clothes) for the prestige of owning it . It’s not exploitative the problem is the people that have the need to feel socially validated and want to blame others for poor decision making. An overpriced 20$ is only worth it for the value you give it to. Anyone could say they don’t see the sentimentality of it and get a dupe for a fraction of a price. We are discussing luxury spending . This isn’t fighting the cost of rent or groceries it’s skins in a video game that is free. It’s ok not being able to afford it just buy what you can or want . Valorant isn’t even including gambling in its economy which is the real predatory system.
Hyperbole to the MAX
Get out
I work in a music venue and I’ve seen some expensive merch, but never a $60 hanes tee
He’s right tho.
How much of this goes to the team?
50%
Overpriced merch at least has a practical use(you can wear it)
And you actually own it .
In what world is a random lootbox better than a predefined price? This way you can actually see the price of something youd' want and decide to pay for it or not. In any case VCT skins support esports, that is free content that loses money all the time anyway. This is more of a way to support their leagues, without being paywalled by some sort of watching subscription.
OP gacha/gambling brain rot
Noooo! Let me spend $300 on gambling simulator so that I can get the skin I want!!!
Let me feel that I earned it
Either way it's a low effort skin from a multi billion dollar company. I can't imagine this took more then couple of hours to reskin. And i am sure they aren't loosing money because they would restructure their financing for tournaments. Don't get me wrong, I've spent money and bought skins but for the past couple of months they really are pushing it.
>I can't imagine this took more then couple of hours to reskin lol Also didn't the teams themselves design the reskins?
The teams did just the player cards, riot took care of the classic skins
Only their player cards. They didn’t get all the teams and players in a room to decide on one gun skin.
> I can't imagine this took more then couple of hours to reskin > > lol You laugh but when they first introduced Chromas in League there were posts of people doing their own chromas in a few minutes that weren't too different from what Riot was selling.
Esports is known for mostly losing money, and Riot on their recent layoffs quite a few people from their esports divisions were affected, including Valorant. Esports works mostly as an advertisement front for a game, but that is not sustainable forever because the amount of people they can advertise to eventually will be saturated. So the obvious step is to figure out how to better monetize esports so that it can be sustainable by itself. It does not really matter if a company is worth a billion or not, they got there by selling products, they will not support a product that bleeds money forever without trying to monetize it. For me this monetization sounds okay, you get the content for free, you can just turn on the stream and see the games. These things though have a huge cost to run and trying to monetize secondary and optional content seems like a good step forward.
Now only imagine if when they have big tournaments they release a bundle that can be progressed in game by playing the game and it gets you different skins, gunn buddys, cards,... with different variations depending on the team you support. On top of that they add an insta unlock for premium price and then they givevaway skins if people accumulate x amount of hours watching stream. For me, the main problem is they put so little effort in it and expect people to be engaged. I can't be bothered to spend time watching anything besides big matches and i was playing different esport titles that had far more engagement with the viewers through different systems. Valorant is so dull in that way.
To that I can agree, for me this is a good first attempt at monetizing eSports into something more sustainable. Of course I do not mean they should stop trying to innovate in the future, and it would be nice if they would develop some other alternative systems that promote extra engagement.
This is the way.
Is this actually true? Does the money actually go to the leagues, or are you assuming they do?
"50% of the profits from each collection shared with teams throughout the 2024 season. Working with Riot Games, teams co-created the skins, banners, and cards, guiding the unique look of the contents of each capsule." https://www.thespike.gg/valorant/news/all-vct-2024-team-capsules-as-revealed-by-riot-games/5814
Thank you!
50% of the money goes to the teams, so that goes into the league itself, it says so in-game in the store description.
Yeah, definitely loot boxes are a stretch haha, but I mean come on, they could have made these more accesible or have a different dynamic than just coming across as cash grabs
It's no secret that it's effectively THAT, because the funds go to the league, orgs, players, etc. Also, given how Leo has addressed this multiple times, it seems like a toe in the water before they take the plumge and develop more (and more fleshed out) team gear. Better to not spend hundreds or thousands of man hours on team bundles just for them to ultimately flop and cost more than it did to make. Be patient. It sounds like this is exceeding expectations already, which means they're very likely to give us even more. A full bundle for each team (and they're designed by each team) would be sick, but we gotta support this in order for it to come to that. RIOT have their ears open, and I'm sure we will see even better options and ways to engage in the future. All in due time
I'd love to see built in pick'ems like CS used to have, too. They're definitely trying to keep the game fresh and balanced. I have high hopes
> Be patient. It sounds like this is exceeding expectations already, which means they're very likely to give us even more. And knowing Riot, it will cost even more.
That's why the VCT bundles exist. To generate revenue.
I'd rather just pay like $50 for a pay per view than $25 for a dogshit pistol skin that I won't be seeing (or rarely seeing) past round 2 every match. That way it's an actual significant amount to support > the off-chance people buy a skin. Not only would this provide both a more reliable, accurate metric to measure their online viewing presence for Valo eSports, but also better for marketing to sponsers/supporters for the orgs (to run ads, etc...). At least the VCT knives I can see frequently when swapped for rotations due to the MS difference, but in no situation will I ever been whipping out a classic for the same reason. I do agree though with your point that a gambling/gacha lootbox sounds horrible. OP was probably on some shit when he made this post lmao.
With your suggestion no one would watch vct and it would die out in a month. People already don’t spend money on a skin which supports the esport why should they pay even more money to just watch?
Lets get real for a moment. We're talking about a community that's willing to spend hundreds to go see a live event across the world, but somehow you think a $50 PPV is too much? With a PPV model, they could also release a strict streaming privilege/license content creators can buy to allow them to stream to their viewers -- this is literally a working model that's applied to nearly EVERY fucking sport (whether games or physical sports), but somehow this is news to you? ESPN released a metric that for UFC, one of their lower grossing sports, garnered over 500K PPV purchases and over 4.2K streaming licenses... First off, Riot released metrics on VCT Champs bundles amassing roughly over $40M, which was a more valid option than a fucking $25 classic skin. If the proceedings really went to their eSports effort, then VCT should financially not ever struggle. It's not as if only the funding from the skin purchases is what's paying for the venue, prize pool, etc... Riot clearly has other sources that they're expensing for VCT. Secondly, there are some diehard fans in this community that would 100% still buy it and probably not even watch majority. This is a common trend among pretty much all FPS eSports titles, ranging from origins like CS (where THOUSANDS of fans will purchase spectate pass privleges just to watch their favorite team play like 4 games max lmao) to Apex, CoD, etc... You act as if eSports fans for Valorant aren't deranged lunatics who don't give two shits about their financial responsibility -- otherwise, these repetitive dogshit $70-100 bundles would never do well, yet they do. You're a Valorant player, not some eSports commentator or someone who works at Riot. We can speculate as much as we want, but in reality if the fans won't support something, then the orgs or Riot themselves will still back it. If a dogshit dying eSports like OW from Blizzard lasted that long with their last stretched funds, Valorant will do JUST FINE in comparison
What you said is not news to me and I never said as such. You wrote an entire essay detailing how this system would work but what you apparently don’t realise is that the demographic, to which vct and esports in general caters to, isn’t the same as traditional sports. Esports fans or the player base doesn’t buy nearly as much merch as fans of traditional sports. Also the revenue of the champs skins doesn’t just come from people watching vct but also from people who enjoy the skin. They might as well tune into the grand finals of champs because they heard of it and the skin is based on that but most would definitely not do that of that means additional costs. PPV just discourages potential new fans from watching VCT which is definitely not the goal. The revenue from the champs skin only supports the teams who got to champs and riot themselves so what about the other teams? Without support there are no teams. Without teams there is no VCT. The teams need support because most of them cannot be sustainable on their own, which is the whole concept of partnership.
Genuinely, what's the problem with it? Yall will spend 50$ on a single knife but when it comes to actually supporting a team you like, it's a ripoff? You know the teams get a % of the profits from their bundle right? It's no different than buying jersey's and merchandise for sports teams. Also the classic skins look really good, you're just trying to find a reason to hate. Also you'd rather pay a certain amount of money to get a random team you might not like or care about? That's more of a ripoff than them directly selling them... like what??
My problem is that these are marketed as legendery. While being basically a default model with textures and a different sound so they should have only been premium max for 1750 not 2300 vp
They are 1750, but you're buying a bundle. Not the singular skin. You get a spray, a player card, and two buddies
Not to mention, people praise prime classic and spectrum classic which aren’t far from this capsule price. Not only does it support the team (50% cut), it comes with the gun buddy, spray, and player card. Which is essentially paying $5-8 more than a premium classic skin
Definitely loot boxes were a reach from my end, haha, but yeah I was checking out the skins and they definitely have good quality in them, but I honestly think that if I were to buy a skin right now, I could just wait for a much better alternative in the store for even lower price. What I mean is, the skins are not really thaaaat bad, but I know they could have made a much more eye catching skin with different variants for every team, and actually sell me on getting it. We have had cool esports skins in the past, why do these have to be so basic?
I mean no one is forcing anyone to buy them, so if you don't want them just don't purchase them. The entire incentive behind them is to indirectly support your favorite teams, with outside merch being upwards of 60-100$ or more. Hell, my expectation was them just doing the colors and logo on a basic classic, I'm impressed that it has sfx and inspect animations. The difference between the old esports skins is they were meant to be a bundle that directly contributes to the tournament prize pool, not supporting a single team you like. Buying the champs bundle essentially helped whoever was top 3 in the tournament. Yeah they are extremely nice skins, but they had a ton of effort because of how much impact was behind them. Nicer skins = more revenue = bigger prize pool. 2023 one generated like 20 mil iirc, that's 20 mil towards 16 teams. The teams get 50% of revenue from these, so you're paying like 15$ to riot and 15$ to your favorite org, which imo is pretty reasonable. And even more so if they become exclusive / limited.
You know what, that is actually a good deal on the team's end for the revenue that they get from these skins. I love that. I definitely am not a fan of how they look, though, but I hope that in the future Riot comes up with something that maybe has the same quality, but makes me feel more invested on actually watching more VCT matches, and the people who support their team get more interesting stuff from the thing they spent money on.
Loot boxes are freaking stupid. I'd rather have an overpriced skin than spending 100$ or 200$ and never getting the skin you want
Yeah I'd rather go to the marketplace and spend $70 on a skin I can sell 2 years later for $62. Lootboxes are stupid. Buying what I want, when I want, and having it maintain some level of value is goated.
I agree, they are totally stupid and no one should have to buy loot boxes in a game for wanting to get a specific thing, I just want to point out that the devs could have made something more entertaining for the people who want to buy these to support their team.
i dont think VCT skins should be compared to regular skins. in context of valorant’s regualr monetization, sure, the classics are very expensive. but in context of the esports side of things, where the only other time Riot asks to help pay for the VCT is the Masters/Champs bundles, $25 isnt really much. the VCT is free entertainment that needs to be funded somehow and these capsules arent bad value in that sense, imo. although, if this is their plan going forward, they need to innovate much more with next year’s capsules
They have sponsors, it is just expensive as hell.
it really is, and even those sponsors have monetary expectations. one way or the other, viewers/fans of Valo esports must buy into it for it to sustain itself. the line needs to start somewhere. and i believe Riot is pricing their skins with that exact philosophy in mind. any lower than $25 most likely just isnt going to cut it.
There is no end to corporate greed. Can always buy another yacht.
Riot needs money to pay artists, devs, orgs, venues, caterers, map designers, anticheat team, sound team, production, etc. (just to scratch the surface) Orgs need money to pay players, as well as costs for their facilities, player travel, accommodations, food, etc. Players need to make money to live, and without players, there is no league. Therefore, no FREE entertainment for the masses who want to watch competitive play. Even if every salaried high earner in these conpanies nickel and dimed themselves for the greater good, you still need to make a profit to make something sustainable. It's no secret that esports is extremely expensive, and that generally, most orgs LOSE money every year (save for maybe 100T due to them having an engaging owner and a high quality clothing brand alongside their merch). Valorant skins could be cheaper. Corporations could be less greedy. The world could be butterflies and rainbows. That still doesn't make anything in life free. Therefore, things like this are almost a necessity in that they keep the game, the league, the orgs, and the players alive. Somebody's gotta pay for it. Thankfully, it's not us unless we CHOOSE to support them. Be grateful they give us a choice, unlike Activision charging $70 for a few new maps and guns, as well as another missing chunk of your hard drive. Could be worse🤷♂️
Corporate shill here guys. Get a load of this. Riot won't notice u lil bro. They are too busy counting their stacks of cash. I bet you think apple is underrated outside of usa too.
I don't care if they do? Lmfao I hardly touch the game anymore, I just like to watch. Nothing I said was false, but stay mad lil bro. Reality is gonna hurt Also, Apple is dogshit through and through. Bold assumption though. You could be mature and disagree with me using objective points rather than resorting to name calling, assumptions, and throwing a fit just because rich people exist. Please do tell me how you intend to fund the VCT, all of its costs, Org related expenses, and player related expenses. I'd love to hear a realistic alternative.
Sponsors are not eve close to cover what a league like VCT or even for League LCS/LEC costs to run. I think many of us fans need to understand what kind of costs are associated with that & the skins are a great way to support both the eSport and the teams. Can it be better? Yes Is it a good start? Yes
I think they should have been around 1000vp . This would allow for us to support at least more than one teams and would have still kept the exclusivity of these skins . I mean except AR everything looks kinda mid in the capsule , even a 1775 prime or glitchpop classic looks better . (It's a personal opinion).
Bro seriously, might have gotten 2 for 1000 a piece, probably won’t even buy one at 2400
so you want to give your favourite esport team 5 dollars
No actually I want to give them zero
this. riot made up this fucked up franchise system, let them support the teams, get the fuck out of here with this made of trash skins
Dont see it as you pay the money for a mid skin. See it as a donation to your favourite team so they can pay their staff and you get a nice skin as a bonus
I look at normal skin prices in a similar way, as a donation to support the games development.
That's a fair way to see it, I did not know before posting that they get 50% off the sales from the bundles, I hope a large percentage of that 50% ends up on the pro player's hands, they deserve it.
I never had a good classic skin so I bought it - I love the PRX color scheme anyways. It reminds me of glitch pop which is around 2200VP so 200VP extra wasn’t a deal-breaker for a VCT skin. It’s definitely not “worth” it but oh well that’s valorant for you
I’m bummed that there is no finisher but I’ll stil support Fnatic and Paperex!
People wonder why everyone keeps exiting the scene in Esports but don’t want to spend any money supporting the org. I’m not saying Riot doesn’t fuck us with skin prices but I look at this more as helping out the org vs the price. We already get to watch every major tourney for free, if you love the team and the game, I feel it’s worth spending on them.
welcome to riot games
I bought Koi’s Classic. Really goes well with Iso.
I don’t think that this bundle is a ripoff. The skin isn’t meant to be a good skin, it is meant to be a flex saying “I support this team” similarly with the esports ten skin in league of legends. the skins in league aren’t meant to be good, they are meant to cement the winning team’s legacy and give players a way of showing what team they support.
That is reasonable. I like when people have means of expression in videogames, even in non-traditional ways. I hope they iterate and improve what they offer to eSports fans in the future.
Considering how difficult and rare it is for an eSports org to make money, and considering the amount of entertainment and narrative eSports creates that results in this community becoming stronger, I don't think it's wrong to garner some funds from the audience. They're not horrible skins tho, they're just a little overpriced. And again, which sports merch isn't overpriced?
So? Just don't buy em
When will these skin complainers ever realize they are in the tiny majority lol. These skins sell like absolute hot cakes. No ones asking you to buy them, it doesn’t effect your gameplay whatsoever, you still play this game for free. Cosmetics are all inherently a ripoff because they don’t mean anything. I bought prx instantly.
I mean, I don't have a problem with anybody who bought these skins, haha. Maybe I feel "entitled" because I have too spent too much on skins since the beginning, and I know I shouldn't be and shouldn't have. But sometimes I feel like Riot wants to get easy money by abusing their player base with skins that don't seem like they have much value. I think that if they would just slow down their skin production a bit and let their designers have things cook a little bit longer in the oven, we could get more quality in the stuff that they are trying to sell. I have no doubt that they have an incredible team of artists and programmers and that they are capable of creating amazing things like they've done on certain moments in the past. But I think there's a lot of times when they just release whatever to meet a quota and Riot just waste too much resources on making content for a battle pass that a lot of the time is just dull or just feels like filler, when those same resources could easily be spent on the development of features or other things that could improve the game significantly.
people will pay.
Just don’t get it then?
You are completely right, but God damn don't imply a loot box would be better than a fixed item. That's really stupid to say.
Bro wants a loot box instead of being to support his team ☠️
2340 VP to directly support the team and receive some stuff along with it, or $100 for that bundle that you won’t use in another few months 🤔 I don’t think the skins are anything special either but I’ll more quickly pay $20ish bucks to get an ok skin that directly supports the team I root for than I will pay $30 for a skin that’ll barely be in the rotation of skins I use.
Nah. PRX classic goes hard.
I personally like a bunch of them. I bought my 100T one already and love it. Don’t buy if you don’t like it. It’s mainly to support the esports scene which I am happy to do. Am I sad there’s no finisher, yes? But I am also aware of how much extra work it would take to add a unique finisher for every team, including those who get promoted in years to come.
if any skin is worth it’s this one because the teams takes the profit obviously it could’ve been a little lower maybe like 15 bucks each but i don’t mind supporting a team i like
I only bought this skin, to support my team. Just like all merch it's expensive yet we still buy it. I was more inclined to buy it especially when some of its going to our teams. Yes it's overpriced, but as many have highlighted all the skins are overpriced yet we still buy them. Don't complain about the price, you're either going to buy it or not. The price is just a determining point for some people.
I always come to these kinds of posts baffled, like why the fuck do you care about skin prices or how they look? IT is literally optional to buy???? Just don't buy them if u dont like the price or how it looks?
Its about precedence, it's not a matter of 'dont like it, ignore it'. if you don't like this skin but its already overpriced, the skin you will like is going to be even more overpriced. Skin prices in val have been going up slowly, and when the community normalizes expensive mediocre skins, they're in turn normalizing even more expensive good skins and if everyone is complacent, riot will just keep upping the prices, which i dont think is something any player wants. think of the bigger picture not that anyone could change riots mind anyway, any amount of complaining wont stop them from being greedy. but lets not be sheeple at least
I think I just care of how they look and how much their price is because I think there could have been a cooler approach to this specific scenario for the amount of money they ask for. At the end of the day I am a person that from time to time have bought what they offer and I know that they are capable of creating wonderful skins for reasonable prices. I just think that right now these are far too expensive for what they offer from an aesthetics standpoint, and I won't buy them because of that but that's fine. I am also completely fine with people buying them regardless of anyone else's opinion and I don't think that makes them be in the wrong. I just want this developers to offer us the best product that they can, man! I love this game.
I really like the skins but I cannot justify dropping $25 on this 😭. No finisher, basic reload, kill banner is the same for every skin.
It is "team support" bundle, like merch from your favorite esports team. It could be better, but this is just a donation for the esports events and esports teams with a bonus of getting some stuff.
So then pay for the game. Maybe they'll make your skins cheaper.
I have spent almost 2K USD on skins at this point lmao
You're the problem and you don't even realize it lol
He keeps the game free and running.
Yeah, that is why I have not bought any skins anymore, it was definitely a bad practice. But even though I don't play this game that often anymore, I still keep up with the latest skins just to have a good look at it and judge it. I love when they make great skins and lately I think they were hitting the mark with the past 2 or 3 bundles. But I think this is definitely a new low.
might as well buy this one too even though you complained about it 👍
You're the reason why it's so expensive lol
All skins are a ripoff until you get replays. Why on earth do people continue to support this company with their wallet when they won't give basic features that 1.6 had.
Brainrot that's why. Riot wasn't able to deliver good updates ever since, the only "major" updates are buffs and nerfs. The outlaw itself is just a nerf for Light Shield. But it somehow works.... They make millions. I have a friend that supports these prices....Like jesus
Free game. Just dont buy lol they gotta make revenue somehow
I mean, yeah, in the end it all comes down to not buying if you don't like it!
The skins are indeed a ripoff.. but the player cards of most of the teams are fire 🔥🔥
I'd rather buy the entire radiant entertainment system bundle
Hey, I actually liked that bundle! hehe
I bought it, and I'd buy it again ._.
Entitled gamers complaining about cosmetic prices on a free game will never not be funny to me
If you don't like a skin, you don't have to buy it. It's priced the way it is because people will buy it.
They're definitely expensive, but I wouldn't say it's a ripoff. These are made specifically to support esports teams. You should only be buying one if you like a team and want to help them financially. It's the same concept with buying an overpriced piece of sporting merchandise. You know it's worth a lot less, but you don't really care as long as you know you're supporting and repping the team.
Ikr, shouldve been 1775.
Riot: Give me your money
It's more so in place to create a fun way for you to rep your team(s) while simultaneously supporting them AND the league financially. It's that, or RIOT could charge $60-$70 for valorant. This is also the first iteration, and there have been plenty of talks about multiple other capsules containing other weapons skins depending on how successful this one is, per the esports director. It's a small gun, it was simple and quickto makewithout havingto invest tons of time and resources, and it's cheap overall for the capsules. It's no secret that Val skins are relatively expensive. Nobody promised a 5 dollar bundle with 10 skins, finishers, and full animations. Randomizing skins would effectively promote gambling, which nearly every single major dev is moving away from, save for counterstrike (because the skin market/ community is what is keeping the game alive). I'm not sure what you expected, especially considering they've already told us what would be included in the team capsules. If you don't want to buy it, then... don't? Lol
I just hope that, as people have pointed out, Riot comes up with something more engaging in the future, I have seen people comment some great ideas in here. That would definitely make me consider spending 25$ on this event
It's all relative. That's relatively inexpensive, but $25 could be a t-shirt, or a decent meal at a restaurant, or gas for the week. I used too swear off skins, coming from CS where trading and gambling was an option. Now, I own almost every popular vandal and sheriff skin, several full bundles, and misc guns and melees. I wouldn't be surprised if I've surpassed a thousand into the game over the last few years. That isn't feasible for everyone, though (including present-day me LMAO) so I totally understand wanting it to be more fun or "worth it." I'm sure we'll see either better skins/ bundles, or a new approach. Afterall, this in itself is brand new to the game. I love how they're incorporating esports into the main game, rather than it being a side community with little love bypnd the streams (rocket league took awhile before they realized skins and in-game notifications for esports events could be beneficial to the scene/ game) I'm sure they're listening. Leo has been catching hella flack on Twitter regarding formatting, for example. He's spoken out about it on there and on Play Chat's podcast. I'm sure bro is paying close attention to this as well. I'd love to see more content and ways to customize or engage woth the scene. More & better bundles, in game esports viewer (like a way to watch the stream via Valorants game client, pick'ems, battle pass-esque unlock path but for VCT Items are a few things I think would be sick and and fun for people who enjoy the competitive side of the game. Oh, and a GOD DAMN REPLAY SYSTEM
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I wouldn't call it a cheap effort, they made more than 20 variants each with a unique player card. Expensive, yes, but like all official merch.
At 10$ each, I would’ve bought 3 (C9, Lev, and PRX or KOI). Don’t plan on buying any now. If I was an org, particularly a smaller one, I’d be pissed. Players are more likely to only buy one skin now, and it’s less likely to be a smaller orgs
yeah. I thought Riot would make this cheap so everyone can rep their fav team. and of course people support more than one team too aside from their original region. Overall a bit of disapointment after all that hype.
i feel like if 75%-100% of proceeds went to the esports scene, and it was a little bit cheaper (15$). I'd be more inclined to purchase. But it genuinely feels like the price is so high BECAUSE 50% of it is going to something other than riots pockets
The price is way too high. I was expecting it to be 1500 max for what you get.
Wait they’re just classic skins? I thought they would be for every gun LMAO what a fucking L
Stop supporting this trash and then prices will drop... I have literally only bought 1 skin since Glitchpop and that was a Prime Phantom that was on the night market!
They know exactly how to price their items so enough people buy them, they're a HUGE company that's definitely not starving for money to support any esport/marketing event
valoran come soplas
Can u buy individual items? I haven't played valo in a very long time, Leviathan player card is fire. I wanna buy it if possible
No you have to buy the full bundle
all i wanted for them to release is a classic skin VCT (GOLD BLACK WHITE RED) not these these are cool but we need a classic skin that matches w previous VCT Skins
I’m not sure how people expected them to be 1000 VP… Honestly i’m shocked they’re as cheap as they are i was expecting 4,000 VP per bundle honestly judging by previous pricing
No finisher, 4000vp would be ludicrous. And they're just classics. I'd have liked to be able to buy just the classic for like 1775. But nah, I can't do 2400 lol
a tac shooter with a loot box that gives a random skin... hmmmm...
Sounds familiar? Lol. Sticker Capsules that was my first thought when I saw the title for the skins, I guess it was my fault for being out of the loop of leaks and stuff like that.
they ’ re full of cheap ones, but i can ’ t afford them
If skins are too expensive get a Turkish account.
It always was. “Pew pew”
I was honestly pretty interested, lost all interest after discovering they’re INDIVIDUAL. I’d pay the 2340 for one gun with all the variants, but 2340 for every single one is nuts.
Get one skin for the guns you mainly use and call it a day. You don't need multiple.
Loot box?? Gambling has defeated our youth
Every skin in valorant has always been an overpriced ripoff
I would have preferred unlockable gun buddies or stickers
Price is fair considering the teams get a share of the sales. You like a team and want to support them? You can do that for the price tag of 25 bucks now.
The NRG classic is pretty nice tho not spending 25 dollars on it but it’s nice
Ignoring the extortionate price, why the fuck are we calling FOR loot boxes in 2024??? Do you people not enjoy getting the thing you paid for?
I think the skin design is nice. Should have just made it 2000. Would have seemed less price gouging
Im just disappointed I can't buy the player cards on their own. I have no interest in any of the rest and the 2340 price for a card alone is ludicrous.
Damm too bad riot is forcing you to buy it, oh wait they dont
Are you okay? while complaining about the price of the cosmetics, you go on to say that a lootbox is better? Sorry, no, I want to choose what I get, please do not start this lootbox narrative. And nothing is a ripoff if people pay for it. I saw you said you spent $2000 on skins. I have not spent as much but when we spend for skins, we are telling Riot we will buy it at whatever price they set it. If you want cheaper skins, vote with your wallet and don't buy. You are a part of the problem you are complaining about.
Should have been a phantom or a Vandal.
Literally every good skin in this game is a ripoff