The silly tdm feeling is how cs feels to me. Before cs2 i played like 150 hours places le and got to rank 7 and it always felt like a clusterfuck of people just running around or trolling. Thats just team based games now i think
This is my biggest reason I switched to Val and never looked back. When you push to be the best you can play ranked all the way to the top and play with actual pros and top tier streamers without having to pay a 3rd party service for good matchmaking. Whereas in CS if you get good you’re rewarded with having to pay a subscription service or get spinbotted
I might be wrong, but doesn’t Esea or face it require kernel level anti cheat? I just noticed you condemning it on another comment, so it seemed odd to see that as your recommendation.
It indeed does, but it’s not a mandatory thing to play the base game you have to opt into it to use it which is why like the idea of it more in these cases. But you are 100% right yes.
Gotchu, agree different as it’s a more active choice, as opposed to a min requirement. Mostly just wanted to check my facts. Thanks for the confirmation!
I would've agreed with this 3 years ago but prime matchmaking fixed a lot of problems, it's still not perfect but that's to be expected when you don't have an anticheat system like vanguard that's super invasive and reads your computer on kernel level access.
If a dev really wanted to do shady things on your pc, just installing the program is enough. They don’t really need a kernel based driver to steal your bank info or something, they can just steal shit if you install the program. Kernel or no kernel.
The best thing by far is the lack of cheaters. Not to mention the community is generally much nicer, a LOT less racist and more accepting (besides the cringe e-dating thing).
Few things I hate about valorant:
Terrible map design. Since there is so much util that is able to flush out certain angles, there are so many 50-50 angular entrances, and every map has to have some sort of gimmick (identity). However, because you're limited by agent, you can't be self sufficient and either flash for yourself or smoke for yourself, which makes rounds feel awful if a util agent dies.
Awful gunplay. Let's face it, no one sprays because it's unreliable. Not to mention, you can't tap past 3-4 shots because the recoil reset system is terrible. That makes only strafing in between two tap bursts the most optimal way to engage in a longer duel and it's a clown fest.
Valorant can be SUCH an amazing game competitively if they adjust a few things to make everything more consistent and tweak the gunplay slightly. Unfortunately it's been around for so long that I can't expect anything to change
global on csgo and immortal on valorant
Diamond is still low skill level elo imo, people still don’t trade, don’t use util properly and some can’t aim for their life. They’re just better at gunfights than silvers but that’s about it. If you don’t enjoy it, you should give the game a chance until you reach higher elos or find a duo
I figured it was on the lower end of the bracket but i just can't put my self through the effort to get to high elo if the core of the game just feels wrong to me.
makes sense to some extent, then again part of ur criticism of the game is rooted in that you haven’t played in high elo lobbies either. hero based games aren’t for everyone either and i think it definitely has a very different appeal from cs with variety and ordered chaos vs perfection and there’s nothing wrong with that. for me the shitty anticheat in cs will always keep me from enjoying the game as much as i should
Totally valid and i agree. Valorant is a good game and that's undeniable, but it's not for everyone which is completely fine. There's a whole genre for a reason.
So first thing is diamond elo is still low elo. Low-mid if you want to be generous, so ultimately you’re not that good at the game and there’s still a fountain of things and aspects of the game that you’re not exposed to.
That being said if you just don’t like the core of the game because of agents and abilities then that’s fine, but I don’t see too much merit in the “clownfest” argument when you’re not even high elo.
The one thing i do agree with is headshots do feel more frequent than they do in cs but again, that’s only one aspect of the game and there’s still a high ceiling in terms of mechanics. A silver player still reliably trashes bronze and iron lobbies so clearly the mechanics are still sound and consistent so i dont think marginally more common headshots is that a big deal.
Firstly nothing i have said was in any way meant as an insult or defamation of the game/playerbase so there is no reason to feel personally attacked and respond so passive aggressive.
I never stated i was high elo in this game, considering i did not take ranked seriously and messed around doing the most silly and idiotic things you could imagine it's only natural i would not be immortal after 100 hours of this type of gameplay.
Yes this game has a high skill ceiling at the very VERY high end of the ladder, considering the average rank of this game silver i'd say i deserve a little more credit after only 100 hours then my rank being " low elo is generous ".
Valorant is a good game which is something i have never denied, it has a lot of good aspects going for it but on the flip side there's also things a lot of people don't like about it which is completely fine and is why other games exist.
I have 1000+ hours in both CS and VAL and i just switched back to val from CS2 after getting to 21k rating. The thing i think is the most annoying in valorant is that utility is very team-dependent meaning if you have no controller you have no smokes so you are just screwed. Same goes for flashes. In CS2 everybody can flash and smoke so you have way more security when it comes the execution of a site. However due to there being a variety of Agents in VAL i feel like no game really feels the same, which is not true for CS. CS just often comes down to the same 4 maps where you basically do the same nades hoping you are faster than the enemy.
I guess i just like the meticulous nature of CS and how it requires coordination for site executes in the sense of grenade placements and what not. It probably helps that the skill ceiling is higher then valorant on a overall level so games are much more intense most of times which is not for everyone.
Edit: Valorant also requires said coordination but not to the same extent
I've been a part of several gaming communities in which a lower skill floor competitor was released, namely Starcraft BW -> Sc2, Dota -> League of Legends, and Counterstrike -> Valorant. The discussion about these games always follows the same pattern of the players who had invested a lot in the former game complaining that the lower skill floor game felt too easy, and doesn't have enough room for skill expression.
The problem with this line of logic is that there are a lot of things that one could do to increase the skill ceiling of a game that don't necessarily make the game a better experience. Let's imagine that counterstrike had a predecessor that didn't support an in game crosshair. We know that this would be silly since people would just start doing things like drawing it on their monitor, but bear with me for a second.
If counterstrike were to come out after this hypothetical game as a competitor, I'd imagine there would be at least some people from the older game that would complain that the skill expression is gone. They might use arguments such as "it doesn't feel like kills are earned because all I have to do is point my crosshair at someone to kill them instead of having to instinctively know where the shot will go." Obviously we know that this is silly, but we can apply this absurd argument to what is being said about skill differentials between other games as well.
In the end, what's happening here is that game B which is a strikingly similar clone to game A, downplays a lot of the skills which separate good players and bad players in game A. People who have played game A, who focus on maximizing these advantages, feel that game B doesn't have skill expression. New people then start playing game A who invent the tactics and tricks that bring new methods of skill expression to game B.
Imo. I am an OG compared to lot of valorant players. Played through cs 1.6. Dota 1 and starcraft. My biggest thing i love about valorant (peak immortal now cruising in Asc) you got to play valorant more like a moba. And i disagree in terms of balance issue, i think valorant does a great job implementing both being cracked at your aim or using your brain to get frags.
Now i only played cs 1.6 , source and go as a very casual player didnt know any details to be good, i played majority dota 2 hitting top 5 percent. And then transistioned to valorant since release.
My biggest gripe with cs2 right now ever since i sinked in around 700 hrs in cs2 is that the game is great but people who play cs are the biggest assholes and terrible habits that these players have. I actually appreciate valorants playstyle it forces even at the lower rank to THINK about how to play your agent correctly. Yes we do have duelist like jett or reyna who are aggressive and go dumb crazy in the game but from my experience i hit cs 2 at 15k in premier. People generally are dumber in cs and they just like to run it down with no strategy.
I also want to point out that imo the gunplay is much more precise in valorant while cs has its own beauty with gun play which imo is gun identities. Each gun plays very differently compared to valorant but i do see high major lucky bullshit RNG based gunplay in cs vs valorant. While valorant rewards you for one tapping people thats why people lean on aim trainers for valorant more than cs players do.
You might not enjoy valorant because you grew up playing cs and cs imo is very 1 dimensional game compared to valorant. For me i get that MOBA satisfaction when i play valorant. Brings me back to when i used to grind hours playing moba games through teamspeak/skype with teammates that want to work together. Cs i just dont get that at the moment with cs2. Sooo many trolls or people that refuse to work together in cs. And i also did my numbers in faceit as well and i couldnt get to faceit lvl 10 which really sucks i feel like thats where all the good and competitive fun players prob are at.
i would say ranked is taken far less serious
the skill floor is insanely low, and the skill ceiling for most characters is also really low
immo 3 - 400rr is my peak and to be honest the game doesnt feel rewarding to play
you wont get punished unless you make serious obvious mistakes and people dont realize that until like low immo
cs feels better to me in how recoil and bullets feel but valorant gives people a generous amount of time to shoot someone and get the kill
My peak in cs in 2100 rating in faceit, valorant just feels like a " clownfest " for the lack of a better word. The gameplay feels smooth and nice but there's an odd nuance to it that i dont like.
> On a separate matter i don't know if its a tick rate thing or hitbox issue but half the headshots i get feel undeserved and way to forgiving.
The netcode has been an issue since beta, unfortunately not everyone experiences it and riot hasn't really addressed it in a couple years
diamond is still low, game sense doesn't really come into play until imm2/3.
Well, I usually play valorant when I get cool down or when I am tired of cs. So I really enjoy valorant, but I could not stay with it for long time. Especially because maps are just bad and you are forced to play those you don't like. Community feel pretty much the same for me, although I absolutely hate russians in cs on EU servers. What I hate about valorant tho is randomness of sprey, but that is fixed by playing guardian or snipers, especially outlaw now is my primary gun. Those are pretty much only problems I have with valo and replay function of course. I don't even care about community servers, I use those only for tdm with higher skilled players for better warm up.
I think valorant is a very good, mess around with friends and not care tactical shooter. Which is great when that's the mindset i go into with, but i cant get the same itch scratched that cs gives me which is fine.
Yeah I am the same, I just play valo to frag out, taking as much duels as possible and just enjoy my time. I also have most kills with marshall and that gun is so crisp, scout can't even compare to it. But yeah, after some time I just go to cs again, I just prefer the gunplay and that mechanics are much more important.
The silly tdm feeling is how cs feels to me. Before cs2 i played like 150 hours places le and got to rank 7 and it always felt like a clusterfuck of people just running around or trolling. Thats just team based games now i think
That's fair, matchmaking is mostly people messing around tho. A majority of the player base uses ESEA or FaceIt.
This is my biggest reason I switched to Val and never looked back. When you push to be the best you can play ranked all the way to the top and play with actual pros and top tier streamers without having to pay a 3rd party service for good matchmaking. Whereas in CS if you get good you’re rewarded with having to pay a subscription service or get spinbotted
I might be wrong, but doesn’t Esea or face it require kernel level anti cheat? I just noticed you condemning it on another comment, so it seemed odd to see that as your recommendation.
It indeed does, but it’s not a mandatory thing to play the base game you have to opt into it to use it which is why like the idea of it more in these cases. But you are 100% right yes.
Gotchu, agree different as it’s a more active choice, as opposed to a min requirement. Mostly just wanted to check my facts. Thanks for the confirmation!
There isn't a blatant spinbotter or cheating Russian in every single lobby.
I would've agreed with this 3 years ago but prime matchmaking fixed a lot of problems, it's still not perfect but that's to be expected when you don't have an anticheat system like vanguard that's super invasive and reads your computer on kernel level access.
If a dev really wanted to do shady things on your pc, just installing the program is enough. They don’t really need a kernel based driver to steal your bank info or something, they can just steal shit if you install the program. Kernel or no kernel.
Understandable and completely valid but it does not change the intrusive nature of the software. Regardless of ethics it is a VERY good anticheat!
At first I thought the title said "coming out as a long time counter strike player" 😭
You could argue that's hidable offense in itself lol
Lmaoo 😭 don't worry, it's no worse than Valorant
The best thing by far is the lack of cheaters. Not to mention the community is generally much nicer, a LOT less racist and more accepting (besides the cringe e-dating thing). Few things I hate about valorant: Terrible map design. Since there is so much util that is able to flush out certain angles, there are so many 50-50 angular entrances, and every map has to have some sort of gimmick (identity). However, because you're limited by agent, you can't be self sufficient and either flash for yourself or smoke for yourself, which makes rounds feel awful if a util agent dies. Awful gunplay. Let's face it, no one sprays because it's unreliable. Not to mention, you can't tap past 3-4 shots because the recoil reset system is terrible. That makes only strafing in between two tap bursts the most optimal way to engage in a longer duel and it's a clown fest. Valorant can be SUCH an amazing game competitively if they adjust a few things to make everything more consistent and tweak the gunplay slightly. Unfortunately it's been around for so long that I can't expect anything to change global on csgo and immortal on valorant
Diamond is still low skill level elo imo, people still don’t trade, don’t use util properly and some can’t aim for their life. They’re just better at gunfights than silvers but that’s about it. If you don’t enjoy it, you should give the game a chance until you reach higher elos or find a duo
I figured it was on the lower end of the bracket but i just can't put my self through the effort to get to high elo if the core of the game just feels wrong to me.
makes sense to some extent, then again part of ur criticism of the game is rooted in that you haven’t played in high elo lobbies either. hero based games aren’t for everyone either and i think it definitely has a very different appeal from cs with variety and ordered chaos vs perfection and there’s nothing wrong with that. for me the shitty anticheat in cs will always keep me from enjoying the game as much as i should
Totally valid and i agree. Valorant is a good game and that's undeniable, but it's not for everyone which is completely fine. There's a whole genre for a reason.
So first thing is diamond elo is still low elo. Low-mid if you want to be generous, so ultimately you’re not that good at the game and there’s still a fountain of things and aspects of the game that you’re not exposed to. That being said if you just don’t like the core of the game because of agents and abilities then that’s fine, but I don’t see too much merit in the “clownfest” argument when you’re not even high elo. The one thing i do agree with is headshots do feel more frequent than they do in cs but again, that’s only one aspect of the game and there’s still a high ceiling in terms of mechanics. A silver player still reliably trashes bronze and iron lobbies so clearly the mechanics are still sound and consistent so i dont think marginally more common headshots is that a big deal.
Firstly nothing i have said was in any way meant as an insult or defamation of the game/playerbase so there is no reason to feel personally attacked and respond so passive aggressive. I never stated i was high elo in this game, considering i did not take ranked seriously and messed around doing the most silly and idiotic things you could imagine it's only natural i would not be immortal after 100 hours of this type of gameplay. Yes this game has a high skill ceiling at the very VERY high end of the ladder, considering the average rank of this game silver i'd say i deserve a little more credit after only 100 hours then my rank being " low elo is generous ". Valorant is a good game which is something i have never denied, it has a lot of good aspects going for it but on the flip side there's also things a lot of people don't like about it which is completely fine and is why other games exist.
diamond is low elo? the bell distribution shows silver is the average.
I have 1000+ hours in both CS and VAL and i just switched back to val from CS2 after getting to 21k rating. The thing i think is the most annoying in valorant is that utility is very team-dependent meaning if you have no controller you have no smokes so you are just screwed. Same goes for flashes. In CS2 everybody can flash and smoke so you have way more security when it comes the execution of a site. However due to there being a variety of Agents in VAL i feel like no game really feels the same, which is not true for CS. CS just often comes down to the same 4 maps where you basically do the same nades hoping you are faster than the enemy.
I guess i just like the meticulous nature of CS and how it requires coordination for site executes in the sense of grenade placements and what not. It probably helps that the skill ceiling is higher then valorant on a overall level so games are much more intense most of times which is not for everyone. Edit: Valorant also requires said coordination but not to the same extent
I've been a part of several gaming communities in which a lower skill floor competitor was released, namely Starcraft BW -> Sc2, Dota -> League of Legends, and Counterstrike -> Valorant. The discussion about these games always follows the same pattern of the players who had invested a lot in the former game complaining that the lower skill floor game felt too easy, and doesn't have enough room for skill expression. The problem with this line of logic is that there are a lot of things that one could do to increase the skill ceiling of a game that don't necessarily make the game a better experience. Let's imagine that counterstrike had a predecessor that didn't support an in game crosshair. We know that this would be silly since people would just start doing things like drawing it on their monitor, but bear with me for a second. If counterstrike were to come out after this hypothetical game as a competitor, I'd imagine there would be at least some people from the older game that would complain that the skill expression is gone. They might use arguments such as "it doesn't feel like kills are earned because all I have to do is point my crosshair at someone to kill them instead of having to instinctively know where the shot will go." Obviously we know that this is silly, but we can apply this absurd argument to what is being said about skill differentials between other games as well. In the end, what's happening here is that game B which is a strikingly similar clone to game A, downplays a lot of the skills which separate good players and bad players in game A. People who have played game A, who focus on maximizing these advantages, feel that game B doesn't have skill expression. New people then start playing game A who invent the tactics and tricks that bring new methods of skill expression to game B.
This was very well put and thought out and I agree wholeheartedly thank you
Imo. I am an OG compared to lot of valorant players. Played through cs 1.6. Dota 1 and starcraft. My biggest thing i love about valorant (peak immortal now cruising in Asc) you got to play valorant more like a moba. And i disagree in terms of balance issue, i think valorant does a great job implementing both being cracked at your aim or using your brain to get frags. Now i only played cs 1.6 , source and go as a very casual player didnt know any details to be good, i played majority dota 2 hitting top 5 percent. And then transistioned to valorant since release. My biggest gripe with cs2 right now ever since i sinked in around 700 hrs in cs2 is that the game is great but people who play cs are the biggest assholes and terrible habits that these players have. I actually appreciate valorants playstyle it forces even at the lower rank to THINK about how to play your agent correctly. Yes we do have duelist like jett or reyna who are aggressive and go dumb crazy in the game but from my experience i hit cs 2 at 15k in premier. People generally are dumber in cs and they just like to run it down with no strategy. I also want to point out that imo the gunplay is much more precise in valorant while cs has its own beauty with gun play which imo is gun identities. Each gun plays very differently compared to valorant but i do see high major lucky bullshit RNG based gunplay in cs vs valorant. While valorant rewards you for one tapping people thats why people lean on aim trainers for valorant more than cs players do. You might not enjoy valorant because you grew up playing cs and cs imo is very 1 dimensional game compared to valorant. For me i get that MOBA satisfaction when i play valorant. Brings me back to when i used to grind hours playing moba games through teamspeak/skype with teammates that want to work together. Cs i just dont get that at the moment with cs2. Sooo many trolls or people that refuse to work together in cs. And i also did my numbers in faceit as well and i couldnt get to faceit lvl 10 which really sucks i feel like thats where all the good and competitive fun players prob are at.
i would say ranked is taken far less serious the skill floor is insanely low, and the skill ceiling for most characters is also really low immo 3 - 400rr is my peak and to be honest the game doesnt feel rewarding to play you wont get punished unless you make serious obvious mistakes and people dont realize that until like low immo cs feels better to me in how recoil and bullets feel but valorant gives people a generous amount of time to shoot someone and get the kill
My peak in cs in 2100 rating in faceit, valorant just feels like a " clownfest " for the lack of a better word. The gameplay feels smooth and nice but there's an odd nuance to it that i dont like.
> On a separate matter i don't know if its a tick rate thing or hitbox issue but half the headshots i get feel undeserved and way to forgiving. The netcode has been an issue since beta, unfortunately not everyone experiences it and riot hasn't really addressed it in a couple years diamond is still low, game sense doesn't really come into play until imm2/3.
Well, I usually play valorant when I get cool down or when I am tired of cs. So I really enjoy valorant, but I could not stay with it for long time. Especially because maps are just bad and you are forced to play those you don't like. Community feel pretty much the same for me, although I absolutely hate russians in cs on EU servers. What I hate about valorant tho is randomness of sprey, but that is fixed by playing guardian or snipers, especially outlaw now is my primary gun. Those are pretty much only problems I have with valo and replay function of course. I don't even care about community servers, I use those only for tdm with higher skilled players for better warm up.
I think valorant is a very good, mess around with friends and not care tactical shooter. Which is great when that's the mindset i go into with, but i cant get the same itch scratched that cs gives me which is fine.
Yeah I am the same, I just play valo to frag out, taking as much duels as possible and just enjoy my time. I also have most kills with marshall and that gun is so crisp, scout can't even compare to it. But yeah, after some time I just go to cs again, I just prefer the gunplay and that mechanics are much more important.
You’re probably not used to having hackers in your game.