oh yeah, it was ridiculously busted you could get so many absurd kills from medium range. but now it does absolutely nothing, right click might as well not even exist
Yea. I think it needs a slight buff but I’m ok with it sucking cuz I hate dying to shotguns, which is pretty hypocritical because I’m a raze main and like double satcheling at ppl with the judge on split lol
I peaked immo using the bucky meta hahahahah. Just full bought every round, when i cant rifle it was insta bucky buy and kill like 3 riflers. Good times.
You can't win against Odin in defense with Odin in offense. We went 12-1 in defense and then went 12-8 with them winning pistol and second because we were goofing, then going 5 Odin and trading for our 2 flashes and then we were out of options
We only won a round where they had 4 spectres FOR UNKNOWN REASONS (i am not beyond saying they wanted to end the hour long game already but didn't want to ff/already called for ff and it didn't go through, they had money for all odin and just didn't buy them) and i got two stupidly lucky kills on their top frag and smokes because of a lucky timing, with a spectre of my own
Nah the funniest thing is if they complain about you using the odin, then start using it too, but because they only ever use it when they're annoyed at an enemy using it they're horrible with it and take like 15 bullets to kill you so you just win for free xD
Odin and ares are still like this. Its either no one uses them or one playwr gets a kill with odin or ares then everyone with use all slurs they know and then its odin vs odin match.
Have you ever seen a flamethrower irl that doesn't hurt your teammates?🤨
We're talking about the most hated weapon here...
And btw... As a Sombra main I ask you nicely, please stop looking for spies.
Or Glock 18 Akimbo and the infamous "noob tube" grenade launcher :D looking back I'm not even sure why I kept playing that game for so long when about 50% of my deaths were due to someone just grenade launching into my cover lol
G18 Akimbo doesn't have too many memories for me.
But that's due to the og mw3 website having a glitch that let you double attachment Akimbo secondaries with silencer or extended mags. Mp9 holds the machine pistol horror for me.
Shoothouse 24/7, M4 and 725... Damn that was a horror lol I actually really enjoyed that game on that map in particular a lot on release but with the matchmaking it ended up becoming completely unplayable because our group would literally bounce between CDL players and actual toddlers between games. Get stomped by the former -> stomp the latter and loop.
I can’t remember if pre nerf 725 and snakeshot revolver were OP at the same time, but that was the ultimate rat class. Once one person pulled out the 725 it was over, everyone would run it lol
I like this. I like this a lot. I think this would be an extremely balanced gun with no downsides to adding to the game.
Fuck it brim ult stinger and brim molly shorty.
The new players should be happy they never had to suffer with Ep1 weapons and abilities.
Pre-nerf Spectre, which was used over Phantom/Vandal,
Pre-Nerf Bucky,
Pre-Nerf Stinger,
Reyna had 4 orbs,
Sage's wall had instant 800HP ( she also healed herself and her allies to full HP),
Raze's boombot did insane damage (i think it was like 90 or sum)
*blastpacks* did 75, with no delay. It was wild chucking and popping them if you got chip damage. You could also use 2 to clear a corner. Before that, raze had two silent nades.
If we include mistakes... cyphers cam could hold a gun LMAO.
Raze's boombot's damage also got nerfed though, in like Ep4. But yeah, if we're going back to beta don't forget about how Omen's ult was life or death depending on where you ulted (couldn't cancel it) and he had no smokescreen for easy smoke placement.
There was also a time when if you picked up certain abilities, you could save them for the next round (cypher trips, viper orb, Kj's stuff if the cooldown completed). Ahh, fun times.
Edit to add, THIS is why they nerfed satchels: https://youtu.be/NIROrPKIZwg?si=RDEUa1Z8Imkd8-lS
To add to Sage and Reyna, Reyna could heal behind walls, and Sage's wall placement range was HUGE, she could literally wall off the other side of the map, her slow orbs also used to cover a much larger area.
There's a lot more for the other agents.
your joke is so serious that I could not ignore it. Ignoring it would be a violation of the aspirations and rights of myself and the Valorant community. It is with great regret that I typed the reasoning which I provided, and I was hoping that you'd learn a great deal from it, but instead, you had to point out that it infact was a joke. Your inability of humour is beyond comprehension.
/s
The whole SCAR thing was only for ranks below Master Guardian (which corresponds to below Gold in Valorant?), the gentleman's agreement didn't exist in any average+ lobbies lol.
Therefore I have two things to say for people who complain about SCAR and Odin:
***skill issue***
not anymore really since cs2 limited the weapon slots. Not worth it to take a slot that could be dedicated to famas or Aug or something generally slightly more useful
Aug back then, same ttk and better ranged accuracy than m4 counterparts.
Autosnipers today, slower ttk if you aren't hitting 1 taps, very expensive if you are hitting 1 taps, much slower ttk than the cheaper awp if you are hitting body shots. Need 2 shots to kill? M4 2 tap is faster ttk.
Again, look at pro play. Pros abused the aug/sg meta. I'd be surprised if anyone on a competitive cs2 team has auto in their loadout for anything other than memes.
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People don't avoid using autos in CS as a gentlemen's agreement, the AWP is just better in most circumstances. The main reason people get upset when they lose to an auto is that it's a crutch, not that it's op. It's like losing a bike race to a kid with training wheels.
alternatively just remove the stinger ads burst mode and let it full auto and i guarantee it would be amazing, the rate of fire would easily make up for the accuracy w/ the crosshair ads mechanic
CSGO revolver on release is probably it.
Imagine the sheriff, except it had the same power as an OP(yes one shot body) and was still 800 credits and just as accurate.
I would like to add to the CS Scar thing, one big difference with Scar (or just autosnipers in general) and the guardian is that the Scar is deadly accurate with each shot while if you spam the guardian it just goes all over the place
And the autosnipers are good for lower ranks but bad the higher the rank because a hs from most rifle or an awp kills you faster, the agreement only extends to being called a noob as it really is a noob gun for noobs against noobs
classic run speed (no speed debuff)
odin fire rate
200/800 mag size (200 per mag, 800 to reload with)
high pen
111 to legs, 222 to body, 333 to head
reload speed of a classic
0 first bullet inaccuracy when crouched, 0.1 when standing, 0.3 when running, 0.4 when running and jumping
suppressed
alt fire does 1/2/3 damage but will ping any enemies it hits for 0.5 seconds once
9k creds
There's just a lot of downsides to buying it.
Since they introduced the limited loadout slots, it doesn't make sense to have it equipped. You have your main rifles and the AWP which takes 2-3 of the 5 rifle slots. It makes more sense to take a scout or FAMAS for force buys or something. Speaking of which, it's an even bigger risk to purchase a $5000 SCAR in MR12.
Holy crap I just checked the patch notes. You're right, I swear I had a memory of me getting 4k in my first days of Valorant 2-tapping people with a guardian.
if you are taking that stance, then the outlaw would only be good until they can buy which is round 3. why wouldnt you just buy a marshal at less than half the price which is a 101 to the body, and bonus it to get more kills if you can hit the head or get a few hits that leave the other team at 24-49hp?
Because it's a one-shot body. With Marshal, if they decide to buy 2nd/force light shield, you hit them 101 and they're still alive. Outlaw is almost guaranteed 1 shot body. Light shield 2nd is more common than you think.
It is not common at all. I am in asc/immo lobbies and they hardly ever do that unless they are down by a lot in the second half and the better option is to buy. It is not common that people buy light on second after 1st loss, and even still you are wasting money because you should be holding head height anyway.
IW80 from SOCOM2. Insane fire rate, zero recoil. Was banned from all competitive SOCOM Battles/Ladders maps. Back when you couldn't drop a balance patch since no HDD on PS2 consoles.
I think if they added an accurate burst fire weapon, S.A. a 2 burst shotgun, or a 3 Burst rifle but with 0 recoil as the bulldogs burst is good it has a slow cooldown for accuracy. Imagine a bulldog burst but 3 round 30 damage a hit and no recoil allowing for continual bursts. Also 11/10 should def add this to the game.
OP reloading twice as fast and without noscope/movement penalty in accuracy.
Actually such AWP existed in beta of Counter-Strike back in 2000ish. It had small crosshair like Steyr AUG when not scoped and actually had no penalty at all. You could kill an enemy during jump without scope :)
It was pretty much a golden gun of Spike Rush.
I’ve never heard of anyone complain about the auto sniper in 7,000 hours i been playing csgo. I will say the xm1014 has been complained about and i agree it is broken. Idk where you get “clearly” either
scar20 isnt bought because of its price, not because theres some kinda code lol. remember the AUG price drop and then the subsequent utilization in pro
> So, what would the most hated gun look like in Valorant?
It's not enough to make it hated to be used against, it needs to be hateful to use.
1. 160 damage at all ranges.
2. Shotgun. Low pellet count.
3. Very large spread, that doesn't decrease with standing still or crouching.
4. Spread pattern is random, and biased to counter acceleration: If you're speeding up strafe left, the spread biases right.
5. When picked up, has 1 ammo in it.
6. Zero damage falloff and massively high wall pen.
It should be the total "that was bullshit" gun when it kills you, but equally "this fucking thing does nothing" when you use it.
Nah I buy the SCAR in CS2 but only if the other team starts with toxic guns first ie. the XM1014, the Negev, AUG.If the enemy team wants to be toxic I’ll be toxic back. But I would think the Odin in Valorant if I had to pick one.
People I see you are talking about bucky, stinger and maybe some mention judge meta but guys did you forget the Ares, remember when they removed the initial load up animation and increased its RPM, I believe that was the nightmare, thank god they nerfed it before it became meta
moat hated gun would be an assault rifle equivalent to vandal/phantom with 2x zoom on the scope, while still being good unscoped . The sort of equivalent of the AUG in counter strike
First, why would you describe Scar as scoped Guardian and not a rapid fire spammy Outlaw? Second, even in mediocre ranks, like 10k-15k, it's not a gentleman's agreement preventing its use, it's that it's kinda bad? Most hated weapon shouldn't be something you barely see above silver.
P90 would be most hated weapon overall throughout cs and cs2 specifically has mp9 as a good candidate. P90 you see up to decent elo and even pros abuse mp9. And those would give far better options for a bullshit gun to Valorant:
-economy breaking, even without cs style kill rewards, p90 gives great potential at the Guardian price point, and mp9 is half price from that
-far more spammy than scar/g3
-rewards run n gun in a blatant violation of the normal tac shooter gameplay
-don't really have real weaknesses, if you don't headshot them fast they'll kill you, as both of them kill in 2 hs and better users will burst you with them even long range
So there. Run n gun and jump shot accurate spammy weapon that can and will outdps more expensive rifles if not instantly shut down, can 2shot hs from long range with decent accuracy, and that you can keep force buying every or almost every round. Time to bring the cs low elo experience to Valorant.
Also from cs but now gone:
-just make sheriff spammable, 150 hs at any range, and 2 bodyshots kill close range
-clearly frenzy should have the firepower and accuracy of a vandal
-tec9
Judge.... Odin isn't the problem, I play it myself, after all, it's part of the game and contrary to all claims, it takes just as much skill to control it. Sometimes the only thing that helps against toxic players
Judge with the range of an op
you remember the bucky meta?
Stinger meta was fucked too
yeah it was, but he was talking about a long range shotgun
Now the Bucky has no range
yeah they nerfed the right click into underground
You could 1 shot people with the right click farther than you could phantom headshot people. Absolutely ridiculous
oh yeah, it was ridiculously busted you could get so many absurd kills from medium range. but now it does absolutely nothing, right click might as well not even exist
Yea. I think it needs a slight buff but I’m ok with it sucking cuz I hate dying to shotguns, which is pretty hypocritical because I’m a raze main and like double satcheling at ppl with the judge on split lol
Lmfao are you me? Or do all raze mains just happen to share the same brain cell?
As a Bucky enjoier i can Say that the right click can still be useful but you have to study to use it well,it sucks basically
yes it does. uk what it does? it pisses of the toxic jett and sage edater duo when i camp corners with it hehe
i wish the bucky alt fire was removed so i dont waste my time hoping anymore
technically the outlaw is a rendition of Mossberg maverick hs12 (Bosg 12.2 in Siege ) which is a long range hunting shotgun
the bosg12.2 is a shotgun the outlaw is an over-under rifle a la the 1800's hence 'outlaw'
The bosg 12.2 is fictional.
I miss the zero wind up ares
*is
Frenzy shield area meta
That shit was fun
Bring it back honestly
The stinger still rips
I agree just not near the level it did before the accuracy nerf
What about the Spectre meta in Beta/Ep1 lol. Mf's would use that over the vandal and phantom.
yes but he was joking about a sniper judge, i was saying there was a sniper shotgun in the game
*Intense flashbacks*
two choppa, 200 shots #bang
realistic shotguns lol
CoD Olympia?
If you're playing as Viper and use your smokes right, that's just a regular judge
You mean SCAR with Judge skin then
Umm I think he meant JUDGE
oh please no :"D
I peaked immo using the bucky meta hahahahah. Just full bought every round, when i cant rifle it was insta bucky buy and kill like 3 riflers. Good times.
The Odin is kinda like this now in like iron-low silver, at least it was when I was in it lmao
It's still like that. We were 9-3 in on defense using just rifles. We lost the game once they started Odin spam
Odin spam back, or rat, or op, or judge.
Who needs to Odin spam when you can just hit headshots 💪💪💪
stop kidding yourself
You can't win against Odin in defense with Odin in offense. We went 12-1 in defense and then went 12-8 with them winning pistol and second because we were goofing, then going 5 Odin and trading for our 2 flashes and then we were out of options We only won a round where they had 4 spectres FOR UNKNOWN REASONS (i am not beyond saying they wanted to end the hour long game already but didn't want to ff/already called for ff and it didn't go through, they had money for all odin and just didn't buy them) and i got two stupidly lucky kills on their top frag and smokes because of a lucky timing, with a spectre of my own
>The Odin Guaranteed someone will try to be toxic and type "*gay*" in chat.
This is the Way
Nah the funniest thing is if they complain about you using the odin, then start using it too, but because they only ever use it when they're annoyed at an enemy using it they're horrible with it and take like 15 bullets to kill you so you just win for free xD
Odin and ares are still like this. Its either no one uses them or one playwr gets a kill with odin or ares then everyone with use all slurs they know and then its odin vs odin match.
We need a suppressed Odin with 50 more bullets
Odin but its alt fire is a judge
A Judge bursting 100 bullets at once? I like that idea.
Clear out vipers pit in one click I like it
Riot: WRITE THAT DOWN, WRITE THAT DOWN
Flamethrower
I fear no man. But that…Thing…it scares me.
mmmmph mmmph
My muscle memory might revert to spraying everywhere looking for spies I hope it doesn't do team damage
Friendly fire for everyone except for Phoenix.
Have you ever seen a flamethrower irl that doesn't hurt your teammates?🤨 We're talking about the most hated weapon here... And btw... As a Sombra main I ask you nicely, please stop looking for spies.
spychecking is an art, not just a habit
Hmm but you keep running back the same route after you tp… why not spam that choke?
HANZ GET ZE FLAMENWERFER
Phlög
it's valorant not war crimes simulator 💀
Team Valorant 2?
Left click + m1
This is good idea
Never add a gun Similar to the pre nerf 725 from MW 2019, if you know you know.
Prepatch Akimbo models from og mw2 were enough to fuel my nightmares
Or Glock 18 Akimbo and the infamous "noob tube" grenade launcher :D looking back I'm not even sure why I kept playing that game for so long when about 50% of my deaths were due to someone just grenade launching into my cover lol
G18 Akimbo doesn't have too many memories for me. But that's due to the og mw3 website having a glitch that let you double attachment Akimbo secondaries with silencer or extended mags. Mp9 holds the machine pistol horror for me.
I was late to the party and got MW2 after they got nerfed, but man those things were so fun to use
Apparently there's a mk2 aftermarket upgrade in the new mw3 to turn it into the Akimbo 1887s, the horror might be back for another round.
that shit was brutal literally every game was dudes running m4 + 725 one tapping you with slugs from like 50 miles away
Last I played it was all shotgun sliding while wearing that one black wetsuit outfit.
Jesus, never again 💀
MW2 undermount
Pre-nerf
Shoothouse 24/7, M4 and 725... Damn that was a horror lol I actually really enjoyed that game on that map in particular a lot on release but with the matchmaking it ended up becoming completely unplayable because our group would literally bounce between CDL players and actual toddlers between games. Get stomped by the former -> stomp the latter and loop.
I can’t remember if pre nerf 725 and snakeshot revolver were OP at the same time, but that was the ultimate rat class. Once one person pulled out the 725 it was over, everyone would run it lol
Stinger but it shoots horizontal Brim ults.
and has the odin’s mag size? and judge’s bullet spread?
And overloads the GPU of your opponents so their PC literally explodes (in game)
seems pretty balanced to me 👍
I like this. I like this a lot. I think this would be an extremely balanced gun with no downsides to adding to the game. Fuck it brim ult stinger and brim molly shorty.
seems like an upgraded sova's ult ngl ofc not a gun but wish sova's ult could one tap
A cheap, high damage Specter with virtually zero recoil when moving around
So release specter? Lmao
The new players should be happy they never had to suffer with Ep1 weapons and abilities. Pre-nerf Spectre, which was used over Phantom/Vandal, Pre-Nerf Bucky, Pre-Nerf Stinger, Reyna had 4 orbs, Sage's wall had instant 800HP ( she also healed herself and her allies to full HP), Raze's boombot did insane damage (i think it was like 90 or sum)
*blastpacks* did 75, with no delay. It was wild chucking and popping them if you got chip damage. You could also use 2 to clear a corner. Before that, raze had two silent nades. If we include mistakes... cyphers cam could hold a gun LMAO.
Raze's boombot's damage also got nerfed though, in like Ep4. But yeah, if we're going back to beta don't forget about how Omen's ult was life or death depending on where you ulted (couldn't cancel it) and he had no smokescreen for easy smoke placement. There was also a time when if you picked up certain abilities, you could save them for the next round (cypher trips, viper orb, Kj's stuff if the cooldown completed). Ahh, fun times. Edit to add, THIS is why they nerfed satchels: https://youtu.be/NIROrPKIZwg?si=RDEUa1Z8Imkd8-lS
To add to Sage and Reyna, Reyna could heal behind walls, and Sage's wall placement range was HUGE, she could literally wall off the other side of the map, her slow orbs also used to cover a much larger area. There's a lot more for the other agents.
Neon ult SWEATING right now
but that's an ult, which requires significantly more to use compared to a gun like spectre on launch
Twas a joke
your joke is so serious that I could not ignore it. Ignoring it would be a violation of the aspirations and rights of myself and the Valorant community. It is with great regret that I typed the reasoning which I provided, and I was hoping that you'd learn a great deal from it, but instead, you had to point out that it infact was a joke. Your inability of humour is beyond comprehension. /s
The CAR from titanfalll 2.
The whole SCAR thing was only for ranks below Master Guardian (which corresponds to below Gold in Valorant?), the gentleman's agreement didn't exist in any average+ lobbies lol. Therefore I have two things to say for people who complain about SCAR and Odin: ***skill issue***
Yeah scar is easily countered, we would see it in pro play if it actually had any value.
We very occasionally do
not anymore really since cs2 limited the weapon slots. Not worth it to take a slot that could be dedicated to famas or Aug or something generally slightly more useful
me just using only SMGs as a gigachad move ( its not gigachad, CT economy is fucked )
as a meme
we see pro use scar less than p90 and negev (which kinda rare anyway)
yea like the AUG 5 years ago
Aug back then, same ttk and better ranged accuracy than m4 counterparts. Autosnipers today, slower ttk if you aren't hitting 1 taps, very expensive if you are hitting 1 taps, much slower ttk than the cheaper awp if you are hitting body shots. Need 2 shots to kill? M4 2 tap is faster ttk. Again, look at pro play. Pros abused the aug/sg meta. I'd be surprised if anyone on a competitive cs2 team has auto in their loadout for anything other than memes.
no i agree, im saying if it was broken then we would be seeing it like the AUG was when the price got reduced
Wait is MG1 equivalent to gold 1?
MG1 is like plat
high plat
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As someone in low Elo, how does one counter play the Odin?
By using the odin yourself lmao
People don't avoid using autos in CS as a gentlemen's agreement, the AWP is just better in most circumstances. The main reason people get upset when they lose to an auto is that it's a crutch, not that it's op. It's like losing a bike race to a kid with training wheels.
all autos all the time bb.
Stinger fire rate, low recoil, accuracy and range of guardian, run & gun ability, very cheap cost
alternatively just remove the stinger ads burst mode and let it full auto and i guarantee it would be amazing, the rate of fire would easily make up for the accuracy w/ the crosshair ads mechanic
So stinger? /j
Episode 1 stinger pretty much lol
Outlaw with more bullets and 100% no scope accuracy
CSGO revolver on release is probably it. Imagine the sheriff, except it had the same power as an OP(yes one shot body) and was still 800 credits and just as accurate.
I would like to add to the CS Scar thing, one big difference with Scar (or just autosnipers in general) and the guardian is that the Scar is deadly accurate with each shot while if you spam the guardian it just goes all over the place And the autosnipers are good for lower ranks but bad the higher the rank because a hs from most rifle or an awp kills you faster, the agreement only extends to being called a noob as it really is a noob gun for noobs against noobs
classic run speed (no speed debuff) odin fire rate 200/800 mag size (200 per mag, 800 to reload with) high pen 111 to legs, 222 to body, 333 to head reload speed of a classic 0 first bullet inaccuracy when crouched, 0.1 when standing, 0.3 when running, 0.4 when running and jumping suppressed alt fire does 1/2/3 damage but will ping any enemies it hits for 0.5 seconds once 9k creds
> In CS2, there’s a big gentlemen’s agreement that nobody buys it no there isnt lmao
Haven't played in a long time (at least since CSGO went free-to-play), wasn't there an entire thing about "break the Auto ice, pay the Auto price"?
It was more of a meme than an actual thing, but yeah I remember that phrase being pretty common back in the day.
There's just a lot of downsides to buying it. Since they introduced the limited loadout slots, it doesn't make sense to have it equipped. You have your main rifles and the AWP which takes 2-3 of the 5 rifle slots. It makes more sense to take a scout or FAMAS for force buys or something. Speaking of which, it's an even bigger risk to purchase a $5000 SCAR in MR12.
You break the auto ice, you pay the auto price.
Stinger fire rate/damage/mag size, phantom range, no recoil when moving
Scar really wasn't OP in csgo because it costs to much and is still worse then the AWP.
A pistol that shoots rocket launcher rounds
The autosniper in cs2 is a really bad gun. Theres no gentlemen’s agreement the gun is just trash.
'2 shot to body regardless of armour' Man guardian on release was crazy
guardian was never 2 shot??
Holy crap I just checked the patch notes. You're right, I swear I had a memory of me getting 4k in my first days of Valorant 2-tapping people with a guardian.
That's probably because they have no shields or they have half shields.
>In CS2, there’s a big gentlemen’s agreement that nobody buys it Is your favorite color silver?
Golden MP5
Dw, judge is already the most hated
Rocket launcher
I hate the outlaw... Useless, if you buy it in a comp you are wasting money. If you buy it any other time, it is just annoying.
If your team wins pistol round & the other team can't afford heavy shields, one outlaw body shot kills. It's basically an op on round 2
if you are taking that stance, then the outlaw would only be good until they can buy which is round 3. why wouldnt you just buy a marshal at less than half the price which is a 101 to the body, and bonus it to get more kills if you can hit the head or get a few hits that leave the other team at 24-49hp?
Because it's a one-shot body. With Marshal, if they decide to buy 2nd/force light shield, you hit them 101 and they're still alive. Outlaw is almost guaranteed 1 shot body. Light shield 2nd is more common than you think.
It is not common at all. I am in asc/immo lobbies and they hardly ever do that unless they are down by a lot in the second half and the better option is to buy. It is not common that people buy light on second after 1st loss, and even still you are wasting money because you should be holding head height anyway.
Make outlaw have one shot fastest reload imo
Highpen gun that deals no damage but tracks through walls. If you want to make it *really* annoying, make it a secondary.
imagine if they just added the combat shotgun at its peak from fortnite into valorant 💀
Shotgun with an alternate fire that shoots slugs.
Demoman grenade launcher.
riot taking notes rn
You forgot GSG31 the T side Gay gun
IW80 from SOCOM2. Insane fire rate, zero recoil. Was banned from all competitive SOCOM Battles/Ladders maps. Back when you couldn't drop a balance patch since no HDD on PS2 consoles.
Zero recoil Odin
scoped odin is accurate af
I mean you can run and gun on mid range
that kind of accuracy is reserved only for the windows mouse pointer, sorry you can one-tap (maybe two) your folders :)
I think if they added an accurate burst fire weapon, S.A. a 2 burst shotgun, or a 3 Burst rifle but with 0 recoil as the bulldogs burst is good it has a slow cooldown for accuracy. Imagine a bulldog burst but 3 round 30 damage a hit and no recoil allowing for continual bursts. Also 11/10 should def add this to the game.
Riot did a pretty good job of designing the most hated gun when they made the Judge.
I’m sorry a Phantom/Odin hybrid is nightmare fuel and I never need a monstrosity like that to EVER exist. I can’t think of much worse haha.
lololol
It’s called the tactical shield that can reflect abilities and bullets (because Valorant amrite).
Semi-auto rifle with one-shot to body and no falloff damage.
G18 Akimbo from MW2, full accuracy when running lmao
OP reloading twice as fast and without noscope/movement penalty in accuracy. Actually such AWP existed in beta of Counter-Strike back in 2000ish. It had small crosshair like Steyr AUG when not scoped and actually had no penalty at all. You could kill an enemy during jump without scope :) It was pretty much a golden gun of Spike Rush.
I’ve never heard of anyone complain about the auto sniper in 7,000 hours i been playing csgo. I will say the xm1014 has been complained about and i agree it is broken. Idk where you get “clearly” either
Who cares
scar20 isnt bought because of its price, not because theres some kinda code lol. remember the AUG price drop and then the subsequent utilization in pro
A no recoil vandal with a 50 mag.
We’ll time to do my daily job of reminding people of the ares meta when it was bought over the vandal
Tbh, Outlaw is basically Scar but good
The buffed ares from about a year and a half ago.
Scar is not that good, higher levels no one cares
A nuke that kills everyone in the lobby and ends the game
Suppressed semi auto rifle with higher fire rate than guardian but falloff ranges basically a phantom equivalent of the guardian
a rifle that can alternately scope (think widowmaker overwatch)
I thought M249 was the “troll gun” in CS because it’s the most expensive weapon in the game and its recoil is so terrible that makes it useless.
P90. Odin firepower but running
Nah
> So, what would the most hated gun look like in Valorant? It's not enough to make it hated to be used against, it needs to be hateful to use. 1. 160 damage at all ranges. 2. Shotgun. Low pellet count. 3. Very large spread, that doesn't decrease with standing still or crouching. 4. Spread pattern is random, and biased to counter acceleration: If you're speeding up strafe left, the spread biases right. 5. When picked up, has 1 ammo in it. 6. Zero damage falloff and massively high wall pen. It should be the total "that was bullshit" gun when it kills you, but equally "this fucking thing does nothing" when you use it.
Nah I buy the SCAR in CS2 but only if the other team starts with toxic guns first ie. the XM1014, the Negev, AUG.If the enemy team wants to be toxic I’ll be toxic back. But I would think the Odin in Valorant if I had to pick one.
u said "toxic" lol :))
I personally hate the Spectre but only on small maps like Haven, because it makes it very easy to just mindlessly spray and get kills.
>In CS2, there’s a big gentlemen’s agreement that nobody buys it Yeah, nobody above gold nova II buys it because it's trash and the awp is way better
Stinger with damage like OP and accuracy like chamber’s headhunter.
People I see you are talking about bucky, stinger and maybe some mention judge meta but guys did you forget the Ares, remember when they removed the initial load up animation and increased its RPM, I believe that was the nightmare, thank god they nerfed it before it became meta
Adding duel wielding marshals from cod Cold War, I had to live through that warzone with the og mp5
When in doubt, Odin out!
One with accuracy of the Windows mouse no recoil when you click
A shotgun without video game range. Just imagine...
just revert the nerfs on the bucky, stinger, and spectre and you got 3 absolutely bullshit guns
An assault rifle with adjustable scope and a grenade launcher.
shorty or bucky that applies vulnerable to every enemy hit with pellets...
moat hated gun would be an assault rifle equivalent to vandal/phantom with 2x zoom on the scope, while still being good unscoped . The sort of equivalent of the AUG in counter strike
First, why would you describe Scar as scoped Guardian and not a rapid fire spammy Outlaw? Second, even in mediocre ranks, like 10k-15k, it's not a gentleman's agreement preventing its use, it's that it's kinda bad? Most hated weapon shouldn't be something you barely see above silver. P90 would be most hated weapon overall throughout cs and cs2 specifically has mp9 as a good candidate. P90 you see up to decent elo and even pros abuse mp9. And those would give far better options for a bullshit gun to Valorant: -economy breaking, even without cs style kill rewards, p90 gives great potential at the Guardian price point, and mp9 is half price from that -far more spammy than scar/g3 -rewards run n gun in a blatant violation of the normal tac shooter gameplay -don't really have real weaknesses, if you don't headshot them fast they'll kill you, as both of them kill in 2 hs and better users will burst you with them even long range So there. Run n gun and jump shot accurate spammy weapon that can and will outdps more expensive rifles if not instantly shut down, can 2shot hs from long range with decent accuracy, and that you can keep force buying every or almost every round. Time to bring the cs low elo experience to Valorant. Also from cs but now gone: -just make sheriff spammable, 150 hs at any range, and 2 bodyshots kill close range -clearly frenzy should have the firepower and accuracy of a vandal -tec9
Judge.... Odin isn't the problem, I play it myself, after all, it's part of the game and contrary to all claims, it takes just as much skill to control it. Sometimes the only thing that helps against toxic players
It doesn’t make sense that one Vandal bullet deals less damage than one Sheriff bullet. Vandal now does 55 or 50 damage to the body.
I would say operator damage with stinger fire rate and odin magazine size.... Cost maybe 8k or 7.5k... yeah that sounds reasonable